casualobserver:


The first true attribute of democracy is the ability to accept when you have lost an election.

While it is true that many of the coups going on in Africa are a result of the bad policies of the government, there is a difference between disaffection with a government with bad policies and disaffection because you lost an election. They are not the same. Only those who have never lived in a military regime will pray for military intervention. All this nonsense you people are posting on social media, you can’t try it in a military regime. You will be picked up and never seen again. Do you think DSS dont have the IP address of the device and ISP you are posting from? Did you not register with your ISP orSIM card with a name and/or NIN? It’s because you are in a civilian regime you can say what you want, true or false and get away with it.

People lost elections when you were in pseudo power in 1999, 2003, 2007, 2011 periods when rigging was blatant and at it’s peak. They didn’t bring the country down and bully everybody. Why whenever you don’t get what you want, you always want to burn the house down, like you did in 1966-1970?

Those who cannot accept the results of a democratic election are themselves the ones undeserving of democracy.

The first true attribute is for people to make their choice at the poll without fear, intimidation, harassment or bribes.

Failing to create such an environment and then claiming democracy after the fact is nothing but pure and utter stupidity that can only be supported by the idiots whose preferred candidate came out favourably at the end of the day.

The Presidency shouldn't be by inheritance and perpetuating oneself in power. I hope African leaders are learning lessons. The people are tired of fake democracy. Maybe we need to work out something better that aligns with our circumstances and specific needs.

Pierocash:
I am very sure you are still a boy in in his 20s.

I lived unde three different military juntas in Nigeria here- Ibb, Abacha, Abdusalami. I even lived under Buhari but I can't relate how his regime was because I was a kid.

Now let me educate you, the kind of human right violations that has happened and still happening under civilian governments are worse than military. The police and Sara brutality is worse and such never happened under military government.

Tell me what changed in since civilians took over? All the standing infrastructures you see today were built by the military juntas- Gowon Estate, Jakande Estate, Festac, abesan estate etc, refinery, third mainland bridge etc , were built by the military government. I no many roads in Lagos that are still standing today that the elders told us were built by Yakubu Gowon. Please , tell us what the civilian governments built-nothing.

I witnessed ibb must go protest that forced ibb out of power, he stepped down , yet no one person was shot or brutalized. Ordinary endears, the death toll is still counting.

Civilian governments are worse

My friend I was around during Gowon era when we sang “to keep Nigeria one” in school so I have witnessed every military govt in Nigeria.

You are clearly unintelligent enough to understand the difference between military and development and the military and civil liberties.

My post (if you have any intelligence) was about civil liberties in a military era.

Military govts may have certain advantages for economic development in a multiethnic diverse environment because precisely because they rule by decree and can violate your rights and civil liberties and do what is needed to get the job done. The problem is eventually the nature of the African beast always come up and they become intoxicated with power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. In the end they become as corrupt as the civilians without any checks and balances except another coup and the citizens have few in any civil liberties.

I have a friend who was picked up under Abacha for about 5 months, till today no one really knows what happened. I guess he was so scared to relate his experience. I also remember my father having to respray his cherished green Mercedes because the military decreed civilians can’t drive green cars. WTF?

So feel free to go on with your nonsense glorifying the military. We know at heart you Ibos are not democrats. Others know every democratic cicvilian government no matter how bad has a fixed term. No one who has experienced military govts in Nigeria wants a return to that era no matter the deficiencies of civilian administrations. Except they are promoting a selfish agenda.

One president is somewhere planning how to invade Gabon just like the way He invaded Niger

Apart from Human Right abuse, we should give Kudos to the past military head of states, For the record, no civilian president, from the days of OBJ in 1999 to this present date has created a single State, nor LGA...no low cost housing estates..across the federation.no political will to jail corrupt politicians who has milked the nation dry nor the Super Civil servant that are living like Kings...courtesy to lootings of nations treasury[i][/i]

firearcher:
Same cycle - people welcome coup because of dissatisfaction with civilian government. Then they realize that the military is no better or even worse. Then they start praying for a return to democracy.
Why? Because being in military doesn't make you less corrupt or better at ruling a nation. Men will be who they are regardless of whether they wear a civilian garb or a military one.

You got it right. We've had several coups in Nigeria. The 1984 coup which brought Buhari into power was most unnecessary. The politicians were doing well at that time in many states though the party at the centre was underperforming. That was the Jakande, Ambrose Alli, Bola Ige etc era. They did make a huge impact which we're still seeing today in terms of structures and institutions.

The soldiers did their bit and kept the nation relatively united in fairness to them. At least, far better than what we have today. Still, democracy is better if we'll managed.

OBIDIENTNAIJA:
Nice one. You can't impose your lanky self against the WI of the people.

PEPT better take some lessons here. African have finally woken up to realise the West are using the corrupt criminals like Ebola Ahmed Thiéfnubu and his likes to steal our commenwealth and use it to develop their countries while bringing in little as Aids. Rubbish.


ALL EYES ON THE JUDICIARY.

If Obi had won, we would have supported the military to take over the following morning. But since it is Tinubu, he will complete his 8 years.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Congrats 2 the people of Gabon.
Government of the people by the people & for the people. The masses are happy in Gabon.

Those who seize internet connectivity in the middle of a national election in Gabon are the real devils. Anti people civilian coup plotters. They shld all be arrested

Just watch how terrorism will increase overnight in Gabon courtesy of France.

oilyngbati:
Please, the people of Gabon, don’t let ipob/obidients

Go collect your 4 years palliative.

Pierocash:
This is to tell you how African citizens are fast embracing military juntas who they once detest, but now accepting them back. Because he that is down fears no fall. No military regime can be worse than what we currently have as civilian governments.

The first true attribute of democracy is the ability to elect leaders of our choice, but no, they rig elections, unleash thugs on people they perceive not as their supporters, beat up electorates, snatch ballot boxes even with the help of security agents, write results and announce it. And expect you to accept that as democracy , and tell you it is better than military government. If this is what they call democracy, sane African societies are telling them they will rather accept military government.

If the judiciary does not restore confidence , I am afraid for Nigeria, the whole world may soon read same story on headlines of various media outlets just like Mali, Guinea, Niger, and now Gabon , even though we do not wish for such

If Obi had won, we would have supported the military to take over the following morning. But since it is Tinubu, he will complete his 8 years because he's the choice of the majority across different zones.

Ebola hand is shaking by now

Revolution2022:
Rigging an election is a coup .
This is against the democratic process of allowing the will of the electorates to decide.
Certificate forgery is the greatest of all coup.
Nigeria is in a civilian coup.

If Obi had won, we would have supported the military to take over the following morning. But since it is Tinubu, he will complete his 8 years because he's the choice of the majority across different zones.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Congrats 2 the people of Gabon.
Government of the people by the people & for the people. The masses are happy in Gabon.

Those who seize internet connectivity in the middle of a national election in Gabon are the real devils. Anti people civilian coup plotters. They shld all be arrested

You be mumu. No be so Nigerians tripped out to celebrate the Babangida coup? In fact, our woes as a nation can be traced to IBB's Structural Adjustment Programme.

Do you know that Mali is embroiled in intractable crisis despite jubilation that followed the last military coup?

LagosPrince:
Nigeria should be next Insha allah

If Obi had won, we would have supported the military to take over the following morning. But since it is Tinubu, he will complete his 8 years because he's the choice of the majority across different zones.

Obi can't rule Nigeria for 24 hours.

victory36:
your democratic government is about to spend at least #825bn(over $1bn) on one runway, spent #130bn on a 127km expressway and you are talking about looting on a scale we have never witnessed. Dozens of youths died at lekki toll gate for demanding a better government, so where are the rights you are talking about?Abacha did much better than all your democratic governments combined. If a democratic government makes a decision, isn't it synonymous to a decree? Military, democratic, theocratic, monarchial, are all systems of government. What matters is the intent/purpose of whoever is in charge.

I stopped reading when I got to the bolded. Abacha that was touted as one of the worst head of states, who literally ruined Nigeria single handedly was the same person you were singing his praises.

So much for a critic

Orathird:
They will soon start a propaganda against Obi based on this development.


On second thought, African leaders need to sit and think about why the coup is becoming a thing.


If you are performing as a leader, I don't think any military will try any coup against your government.

Abi

Pascal9:
the government will perform when you the citizens are ready, stop deceiving yourself, military guys are far worse, more currupt than civilians.

Are they really worse? How many assassinations since 1999 till date that are unsolved ? How many billions in dollars stolen since 1999? Has there been justice in Nigeria ? We cannot have a fair election since democracy returned . The only one with a bit of sanity was 2015 . Terrorism everywhere . Bokoharam sponsors are living large . People are stealing brazenly with little or No repercussions.

You said the people are not ready . When they were ready with Endsars , what happened ? There is NO difference between what transpired and military rule . This last election , people were ready but alot of people were disenfranchised and couldn’t vote . Apart from rigging ( all major parties were guilty )

casualobserver:


My friend I was around during Gowon era when we sang “to keep Nigeria one” in school so I have witnessed every military govt in Nigeria.

You are clearly unintelligent enough to understand the difference between military and development and the military and civil liberties.

My post (if you have any intelligence) was about civil liberties in a military era.

Military govts are better for economic development in a multiethnic diverse environment because precisely because they can violate your rights and civil
Liberties and do what is needed to get the job done. The problem is eventually the nature of the African beast always come up and they become intoxicated with power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. In the end they become as corrupt as the civilians without any checks and balances except another coup and the citizens have few in any civil liberties.

I have a friend who was picked up under Abacha for about 5 months, till today no one really knows what happened. I guess he was so scared to relate his experience.

So feel free to go on with your nonsense glorifying the military. We know at heart you Ibos are not democrats. Others know every democratic cicvilian government no matter how bad has a fixed term.

You were trying to sound sane until you mentioned ibos. The usual tribal mantra they churn out once they lose ground In any constructive argument.

You are not honest, if you actually lived under any military regime like you posited then you lied to yourself. I gave you a vivid reply as regard human liberty under military compared civilian regimes by pointing you ibb must go protest compared to endsars and the outcome of both. But maybe you lack comprehension and couldn't decipher it

You talked about just your friend. Go and read tales of woes by people who their loved ones were picked up by police and till today no one knows what happened to them. Did you read the reports of various incidents of police brutality and evil meted out to people during the panel setup by various states of which no justice to so many of them till date. Such evil never happened under military government. Or is it the case of executive disobedience to court orders you want to talk about under civilian governments? Even Abacha obeyed some court orders during his time, but no, the so-called civilian governments disobey court orders more than militaries. If you truly lived under any military government but still continue with this your assertions, it means you are living in self deceit. And you never answered my question about what the civilians built after I listed you few of many infrastructures built by military juntas. Reason being that, you really have nothing to point but just decided to go rogue on your submission.

I am in no way agitating for a military coup ,But my point is that it will definitely be inevitable with the way things are right now in our land.

blaise26abj:


Are they really worse? How many assassinations since 1999 till date that are unsolved ? How many billions in dollars stolen since 1999? Has there been justice in Nigeria ? We cannot have a fair election since democracy returned . The only one with a bit of sanity was 2015 . Terrorism everywhere . Bokoharam sponsors are living large . People are stealing brazenly with little or No repercussions.

You said the people are not ready . When they were ready with Endsars , what happened ? There is NO difference between what transpired and military rule . This last election , people were ready but alot of people were disenfranchised and couldn’t vote . Apart from rigging ( all major parties were guilty )

was endsars not ethnicise, didn't Yoruba people said igbos are destroying their land , didn't the north stage a counter protest, ok military is your hope, slow poke wake up

Awesome!... Shyyythole loading....

abacha was the worst military head of state

But

Nigeria politician have stolen more than him
nigeria politician has killed more than him
nigeria politician has destroyed the economy more than him

Apart from filling the pocket of politicians, no civilian leader of any political class has better any military regime in terms of performance

Even buhari the worst of either military or civilian rule, performed better as a military head than as a civilian head

Pierocash:
This is to tell you how African citizens are fast embracing military juntas who they once detest, but now accepting them back. Because he that is down fears no fall. No military regime can be worse than what we currently have as civilian governments.

The first true attribute of democracy is the ability to elect leaders of our choice, but no, they rig elections, unleash thugs on people they perceive not as their supporters, beat up electorates, snatch ballot boxes even with the help of security agents, write results and announce it. And expect you to accept that as democracy , and tell you it is better than military government. If this is what they call democracy, sane African societies are telling them they will rather accept military government.

If the judiciary does not restore confidence , I am afraid for Nigeria, the whole world may soon read same story on headlines of various media outlets just like Mali, Guinea, Niger, and now Gabon , even though we do not wish for such

In one breath you are calling for coup and also wishing it doesn't happen? Which side are you on actually.

Let them go ask Nigeriens how are they coping under junta now. One month is enough to reset their brain

Pierocash:
This is to tell you how African citizens are fast embracing military juntas who they once detest, but now accepting them back. Because he that is down fears no fall. No military regime can be worse than what we currently have as civilian governments.

The first true attribute of democracy is the ability to elect leaders of our choice, but no, they rig elections, unleash thugs on people they perceive not as their supporters, beat up electorates, snatch ballot boxes even with the help of security agents, write results and announce it. And expect you to accept that as democracy , and tell you it is better than military government. If this is what they call democracy, sane African societies are telling them they will rather accept military government.

If the judiciary does not restore confidence , I am afraid for Nigeria, the whole world may soon read same story on headlines of various media outlets just like Mali, Guinea, Niger, and now Gabon , even though we do not wish for such

It will always be so when the people are passive and less ambitious. When the citizens lack unity.
Military rule makes no difference. Only dim wits will celebrate takeover because living condition will still not improve, rather they will also steal with reckless abandonment. Let the people themselve develop intrinsic life values and things will change.

Let me tell you. Give or take, we feel more human under under people rule than military.

Sonnobax15:

I'm not and will never be in support of military rule...

But to think that some african leaders still hold onto power even in democracy for years as if it is a monarchical system is baffling....

Africans deserve better than the type of selfish leaders we've been punished with..

If in a democratic setting, people can be power hugs, imagine what will happen in under military. Elections will not even hold in a coup setting so their is no hope of power changing hand.

However this is a Reflection of African democracy, it is inherent in Africans to want to hold on to power. Why don't we practice a semi constitutional monarchy like most Arabian Monarchy. Have a Monarch, as a traditional head, then elect Prime Ministers.

Tflex01:


If Obi had won, we would have supported the military to take over the following morning. But since it is Tinubu, he will complete his 8 years because he's the choice of the majority across different zones.

Obi can't rule Nigeria for 24 hours.

Says a coward 😂

Airlohim:
AU and ECOWAS can go fuk themselves!

Africans, it's time to take your destiny in your own hands. The whole world is leaving us behind!!

AU yes, but ECOWAS No. Gabon is not part of ECOWAS

HonNL:
Gabon residents hail soldiers, celebrate military take over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck6Lvgsl89g

Ousted President, Ali Ondimba Bongo was 'elected' President in 2009, just after the death of his father and predecessor, Omar Bongo, who was President from 1967 until his death.

The ousted Bongo, in 1977, released a funk album titled,
"A Brand New Man," which was produced by Charles Bobbit.

Make Agbado prepare for that one too...

Pierocash:
You were trying to sound sane until you mentioned ibos. The usual tribal mantra they churn out once they lose ground In any constructive argument.

You are not honest, if you actually lived under any military regime like you posited then you lied to yourself. I gave you a vivid reply as regard human liberty under military compared civilian regimes by pointing you ibb must go protest compared to endsars and the outcome of both. But maybe you lack comprehension and couldn't decipher it

You talked about just your friend. Go and read tales of woes by people who their loved ones were picked up by police and till today no one knows what happened to them. Did you read the reports of various incidents of police brutality and evil meted out to people during the panel setup by various states of which no justice to so many of them till date. Such evil never happened under military government. Or is it the case of executive disobedience to court orders you want to talk about under civilian governments? Even Abacha obeyed some court orders during his time, but no, the so-called civilian governments disobey court orders more than militaries. If you truly lived under any military government but still continue with this your assertions, it means you are living in self deceit. And you never answered my question about what the civilians built after I listed you few of many infrastructures built by military juntas. Reason being that, you really have nothing to point but just decided to go rogue on your submission.

I am in no way agitating for a military coup ,But my point is that it will definitely be inevitable with the way things are right now in our land.

Just like your previous dribble, you are posting nonsense. I mentioned Ibo because I went through your posts. You people have a penchant for always wanting things your way and bringing down the house if you don’t get it. It must be said. Every time the Ibos are not in concert with the Centre they bring or attempt to bring the house down. It’s also what you do anywhere you reside.

The coups going on in French speaking Africa are a fight for true independence. If you are knowledgeable you will know that French speaking West Africa are independent only on paper. It is not the same as the goings on in NIgeria or Ghana or other Anglophone countries.

Your issue isn’t governance but your ego and penchant to always win and dominate others. It is a trait that makes is difficult for you to accept defeat no matter how fair the contest. It is the trait that makes you successful in business but also the same trait that means you don’t mix well with others and so there is always conflict when enough of you accumulate in an area. Human relations is different from business. In business you can bully your competition and wipe them out. In human relations you can’t always win, human relations is about compromise….a trait severely lacking amongst the majority of your people which is why you never do well in politics outside your region. I am at least glad to see people like Umahi who truly understand politics is about compromise and trust.

Disappearing under the military is different from disappear under a civil government, at least in a civilian govt your people can make noise and raise alarm.

Finally it is not tribal mantra, it is a real thing. Why are you always the ones in conflict with everyone else?

Pierocash:
This is to tell you how African citizens are fast embracing military juntas who they once detest, but now accepting them back. Because he that is down fears no fall. No military regime can be worse than what we currently have as civilian governments.

The first true attribute of democracy is the ability to elect leaders of our choice, but no, they rig elections, unleash thugs on people they perceive not as their supporters, beat up electorates, snatch ballot boxes even with the help of security agents, write results and announce it. And expect you to accept that as democracy , and tell you it is better than military government. If this is what they call democracy, sane African societies are telling them they will rather accept military government.

If the judiciary does not restore confidence , I am afraid for Nigeria, the whole world may soon read same story on headlines of various media outlets just like Mali, Guinea, Niger, and now Gabon , even though we do not wish for such

Pierocash, if you arrested now for running your mouth calling for a coup, your people and villagers from the land of the rising wailers will be crying a bucket.

Those Bongo's are the people Donald Trump of the 7S wants to emulate.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Congrats 2 the people of Gabon.
Government of the people by the people & for the people. The masses are happy in Gabon.

Those who seize internet connectivity in the middle of a national election in Gabon are the real devils. Anti people civilian coup plotters. They shld all be arrested

casualobserver:


The first true attribute of democracy is the ability to accept when you have lost an election.

While it is true that many of the coups going on in Africa are a result of the bad policies of the government, there is a difference between disaffection with a government with bad policies and disaffection because you lost an election. They are not the same. Only those who have never lived in a military regime will pray for military intervention. All this nonsense you people are posting on social media, you can’t try it in a military regime. You will be picked up and never seen again. Do you think DSS dont have the IP address of the device and ISP you are posting from? Did you not register with your ISP orSIM card with a name and/or NIN? It’s because you are in a civilian regime you can say what you want, true or false and get away with it.

People lost elections when you were in pseudo power in 1999, 2003, 2007, 2011 periods when rigging was blatant and at it’s peak. They didn’t bring the country down and bully everybody. Why whenever you don’t get what you want, you always want to burn the house down, like you did in 1966-1970?

Those who cannot accept the results of a democratic election are themselves the ones undeserving of democracy.

Buhari supporters nearly brought the country down in 2011, and there were threats during the other years too. (Sharia law implementation was a way of telling OBJ to better not leave some people behind).

It isn't just Igbos. Assuming Tinubu lost, all the APC supporters would have been hailing the coup by now.(See Niger, and before them Mauritania. Oppositon comes and backs army rule all of a sudden).

Otherwise, your post makes good points.