gaskiyamagana:

" It is he Who has sent down to you ( Muhammad, saw) the Book. In it are Verses that are entirely clear, ............ and others not entirely clear. So as for those ( TenQ and others )in whose heart (TenQ's thinking, reasoning and understanding) there is a deviation ( from the truth) they follow (hold on to) that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking FITNA (trial of misleading, confusion), and (hypocritically) seeking its hidden meanings, BUT none knows its hidden meanings EXCEPT Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge...."Q3:7.
This is applicable to other verses and teachings of Islam you are enemy of, not necessarily out of ignorant, but out of misguidance mission of you and others.
If seeking or questioning their meanings or teachings is genuine, as you always deceitfully claimed, you will not be a sturbon seeker of truth with dimensional repetition of sturboness in similar or related matter(s) upon which explanation and clarification have been given in the forum. Now, soon or later, you will definitely demonstrate the trait l talk about.
More power or grease to your elbow in the fruitless efforts, either as a Christian faithful or enemy of Islam, Q5: 116 - 118.

I can understand that you can't answer my question : but Allah also say that the Qur'an is easy to understand.

Qur'an 54:17
“And We have indeed made the Qur’an easy to understand and remember; then is there anyone who will remember”

The reason I ask you questions is that you go back to understand that the God of Islam seem to be very different from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

There seems to be a force bent on MILEADING humans from getting to Paradise. This is why if you check the characteristics of our Paradise (Islam and Christianity), it is completely different.
The Truth we preach is also different.

Do you think the same God will give such a conflicting message to mankind?
You will agree with me that you need just about 0.01% addition of poison to an excellent food to make it evil.

It is IMPOSSIBLE that Both Islam and Christianity are the Correct Way to Paradise!

We need to ask Questions to know the TRUTH!


A fair conclusion of SOME of the names of Allah is either that
1. It is NOT the name of God
2. The name belongs to an Imposter (trying to deceive people).


Mr gaskiyamagana,
I honestly truly care about you Muslims and before I leave this earth, I want to do my best to make you EXAMINE what you have merely Accepted and Believed without Question.
Why?
No one within my arena of influence will go to the Fire of Hell due to ignorance and failure on my part to warn you.

Islam is based on cascades of lies starting from the truth of there is one God the Creator of the heavens and the earth. To the claim of you serving the same God as Christians and Jews.



I am too sure you know that these five names are not fit for the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth?
1. المتكبر Al-Mutakabbir
2. المذل Al-Mudhil
3. المكر Al-Makr
4. الضار Ad-Daar
5. المؤمن Al-Mu'min

The only problem is the Question :
Why would Allah give himself such names.


I still invite you to ask Questions about the Messiah that you may be saved from the fire of Hell!


Even if you don't believe me:
Are my writings based on facts I bring from Islamic literatures themselves or conjectures I have fabricated?

Who is this Person in such a Disguise?
Here are five Names I want us to look at today:
Why!?, because if such a person exist, he would be a very arrogant person whose aim is to mislead humanity and cause distress and harm to them through deceit and mischief which would lead to their ultimate and perpetual humiliation .

Example:
To kill a rat in the house, we mislead/deceive it to think that we are offering it free good-looking-delicious food because we care for it. Unfortunately, our objective at the end of the day that when the Rat takes our bait, it would go into a state of painful distress and sorrowful humiliating death

Seeing the similarity of the purpose of the stealing, killing and destruction, we can not help but assume that this being is Satan!


Name #1: "Al-Makir" = The Deceiver
Name #2: "Al-Fattan" = The Mischief-Maker
Name #3: "Al-Mutakabbir" = The Arrogant
Name #4: "Ad-Darr" = The Distresser/The One who Causes HARM
Name #5: "Al-Muzil" = The Misleader/The Humiliator


The Arabic Wikipedia article contains more than 10 different lists by various Islamic scholars. Some of those lists contain the name "Best of deceivers" (خير الماكرين). The lists together contain 276 names of Allah and one can comfortably assume that there are other lists with more names. So, even though 99 names are claimed, the names after collation are all together up to 276
https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/أسماء_الله_الحسنى#اجتهادات_في_إحصاءها


Who is a Deceiver?
He is One who deliberately and habitually misleads another or others by a false appearance or statement, especially one who does so habitually
Example: A person who daily misleads people to Hell Fire by giving alternatives to the Truth of God

Who is a Mischief-Maker?
He is a person who deliberately and habitually creates trouble for others.
Example: A person who deliberately and habitually expresses hate for others by creating problems and pain for good people

Who is Arrogant?
He is one who has or reveals a continuous exaggerated sense of his own importance or abilities.
Example: Like a created being elevating himself to the statue of the Creator and Impersonating God

Who is a Distresser?
He is one who deliberately and habitually causes (someone/others) anxiety, sorrow, or pain. Sorrow is feeling of deep distress caused by loss, disappointment or misfortune suffered
Example: A person whose purpose is to habitually cause people anxiety, sorrow and pain in their lives

However, note the qualifying word "THE" before the "VERB"
It is possible that a person cause you distress without being "The Distresser" e.g. A Medical Doctor
It is possible that a person mislead you without being "The Misleader/The Deceiver" e.g. Someone you asked for direction

The Qualifier "THE" imply that such has the nature of performing the action deliberately, innately, habitually.

There are Other names that belittle this personality so much but Muslims do not see it as derogatory for GOD.
المؤمن Al-Mu'min The Believer Quran 59:23
We believe only when we have made a conclusion based on our judgment of highest probability.
For instance, we don't believe that 2+4=6. We know that 2+4=6.
Rather, we can believe that Russia would win the War against Ukraine or vice versa based on our estimation of probabilities.
Does God work by a game of probabilities or by knowing the past, present and future?



Questions:
1. Do you think it is possible that God be Arrogant ? To whom then will God be arrogant to as one can only be arrogant either to ones peers or superior.
2. Why do you think that God is a Believer ? Do you agree that we take a position of belief only when we are not 100% certain of a conclusion but we have reasonable fact to place our bet on an outcome in the future?
3. If God is the author of Distress , why do we attribute our problems to Satan?
4. Why do you think that the objective of God is to Humiliate us if he actually commanded even the Angels to bow to man?
5. Did Muhammed know what Allah would do to him? If he doesnt as the one showing you the way, can you be sure he has not been deceived?
6. How are you sure that the Greatest of all Deceivers has no decieved you from the way of truth?

TenQ:

I can understand that you can't answer my question : but Allah also say that the Qur'an is easy to understand.

Qur'an 54:17
“And We have indeed made the Qur’an easy to understand and remember; then is there anyone who will remember”

The reason I ask you questions is that you go back to understand that the God of Islam seem to be very different from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

There seems to be a force bent on MILEADING humans from getting to Paradise. This is why if you check the characteristics of our Paradise (Islam and Christianity), it is completely different.
The Truth we preach is also different.

Do you think the same God will give such a conflicting message to mankind?
You will agree with me that you need just about 0.01% addition of poison to an excellent food to make it evil.

It is IMPOSSIBLE that Both Islam and Christianity are the Correct Way to Paradise!

We need to ask Questions to know the TRUTH!


A fair conclusion of SOME of the names of Allah is either that
1. It is NOT the name of God
2. The name belongs to an Imposter (trying to deceive people).


Mr gaskiyamagana,
I honestly truly care about you Muslims and before I leave this earth, I want to do my best to make you EXAMINE what you have merely Accepted and Believed without Question.
Why?
No one within my arena of influence will go to the Fire of Hell due to ignorance and failure on my part to warn you.

Islam is based on cascades of lies starting from the truth of there is one God the Creator of the heavens and the earth. To the claim of you serving the same God as Christians and Jews.



I am too sure you know that these five names are not fit for the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth?
1. المتكبر Al-Mutakabbir
2. المذل Al-Mudhil
3. المكر Al-Makr
4. الضار Ad-Daar
5. المؤمن Al-Mu'min

The only problem is the Question :
Why would Allah give himself such names.


I still invite you to ask Questions about the Messiah that you may be saved from the fire of Hell!


Even if you don't believe me:
Are my writings based on facts I bring from Islamic literatures themselves or conjectures I have fabricated?

I said, now, soon or later you will demonstrate your diseased heart of thinking and brain of reasoning on interpretation and understanding of Allah, Islam and Muhammad (saw) as chiefly narrated in Q3:7 . Your above respond justified and validated my indepth understanding of you.

Makr is defined as causing something to others in a hidden manner, and it also conveys the meanings of plotting and deceit. However, it is of two types: blameworthy Makr, which means causing harm to someone who does not deserve it, and praiseworthy Makr, which means causing harm to someone who deserves it as a punishment. In the verses yo
In Quran 3:54 who are those making a plan?
Are these not the disbelievers and particularly the Jews scheming to accuse Jesus and have him done away with?

In your Bible at Matthew 26: 3-4
Then the leading priests and the older Jewish leaders had a meeting at the palace where the high priest lived. The high priest’s name was Caiaphas.
In the meeting they tried to find a way to arrest and kill Jesus without anyone knowing what they were doing. They planned to arrest Jesus and kill him.

This then leads to the question, is your God below his creation that they will out do or out smart him?
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says in Q3:55

"[Mention] when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ."

This is why there is Q4:171
Or you prefer your Messiah to first be cursed before he takes on the sin of man?
Gal 3:13 Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree

Do you not see Allah is indeed above all and well above his creation?

TenQ:


Unfortunately,
They don't see such limiting names as they don't ask questions.

Why would God be a Believer if He is All knowing?

Why would God the Creator be Arrogant : Who is he competing with: His superior! ?


This is a fresh thread topic on its own.

Mohammed upgraded his father's idol Allah to the status of Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!?

What an audacity!

Hmmm.

Where's the thread?

gaskiyamagana:

I said, now, soon or later you will demonstrate your diseased heart of thinking and brain of reasoning on interpretation and understanding of Allah, Islam and Muhammad (saw) as chiefly narrated in Q3:7 . Your above respond justified and validated my indepth understanding of you.

I write both for Christians and Muslims for the sake of their enlightenment.
Why do you conclude that my heart is diseased? Is it because I present conclusions from your religious books not according to your preferred Narratives?

I speak the truth with evidence from your religious books and that you can't refute. The only problem you have with me is that I expose things you would love to keep under the carpet and interpret rightly those things you have falsely misinterpretated to cause mischief even amongst Muslims.

Let me ask you of the things I wrote, which one of it is false?

Why has it been impossible to answer ANY of my questions?

FxMasterz:


Hmmm.

Where's the thread?

There is no thread yet for these: but it is obvious, isn't it.

Mohammed's father's name is Abdullah (Servant of Allah) and he was an Idolater.
The God of Mohammed is the God of the Kaaba aka the God of the Father of Mohammed. This had been upgraded as the God of the Jews and Christians

Ohyoudidnt:
Makr is defined as causing something to others in a hidden manner, and it also conveys the meanings of plotting and deceit. However, it is of two types: blameworthy Makr, which means causing harm to someone who does not deserve it, and praiseworthy Makr, which means causing harm to someone who deserves it as a punishment. In the verses yo
In Quran 3:54 who are those making a plan?
Are these not the disbelievers and particularly the Jews scheming to accuse Jesus and have him done away with?

In your Bible at Matthew 26: 3-4
Then the leading priests and the older Jewish leaders had a meeting at the palace where the high priest lived. The high priest’s name was Caiaphas.
In the meeting they tried to find a way to arrest and kill Jesus without anyone knowing what they were doing. They planned to arrest Jesus and kill him.

This then leads to the question, is your God below his creation that they will out do or out smart him?
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says in Q3:55

"[Mention] when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ."

This is why there is Q4:171
Or you prefer your Messiah to first be cursed before he takes on the sin of man?
Gal 3:13 Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree

Do you not see Allah is indeed above all and well above his creation?

I will respond later to this your argument of Makr having positive connotations as it doesn't exist in Arabic language.

However,
Let me first address two issues
1. Why is Allah Al-Mumin?

Because, we believe only when our knowledge is NOT absolute.
Example :
We know that the sum of 2 oranges with 3 oranges will give us 5 oranges. (we don't believe the answer because we absolutely know the answer as 5)
However,
We can believe that Tinubu will perform well as Nigerian President or not (we don't absolutely know the answer as we are not God)


Why is Allah The Al-Mumin if he is supposed to be absolute and perfect in knowledge?




2. Why do you think that Allah is Al-Mutakabbir?
Do you think it is possible that God be Arrogant ? To whom then will God be arrogant to as one can only be arrogant either to ones peers or superior.

Who is Arrogant?
He is one who has or reveals a continuous exaggerated sense of his own importance or abilities.

Example:
Like a created being elevating himself to the statue of the Creator and Impersonating God


Why is Allah The Al-Mutakabbir if he is supposed to be absolute and there exist no superior to whom he can be Arrogant ?

OTHER REFERENCES

1. The Deceiver
John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him . Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

2 Corinthians 11:14
No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

2. The Arrogant
Isaiah 14:12-15
"How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer (Satan), son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
For you have said in your heart:
'I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation, On the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.' Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit.

3. The Distresser
Job 2:7
7 So Satan departed from the presence of the Lord, and smote (distressed) Job with sore boils, from the sole of his foot unto his crown.

The opposite of what God does is the work of satan.
Psalm 34:18
The Lord is near to the brokenhearted
And saves those who are crushed in spirit.

Quran 3:54
And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers

المتكبر Al-Mutakabbir The Arrogant/The Boaster Quran 59:23

المذل Al-Mudhil The Humiliating Quran 3:26

المكر Al-Makr The deceitful, cheater/deceiver Qur'an 8:30, Quran 3:54

الضار Ad-Daar The "Harmer"/The "Distresser" Quran 6:17



Mallam AntiChristian, here is the post I promised you!
https://www.nairaland.com/7822320/trinity-explained-last#125464219

Maynman:

Then rethink this wack analogies since it doesn't apply.

"Would it be EVIL if the maker of Sophia (the AI Robot) David Hanson from Hanson Robotics decide to decommission Sophia and reuse the components for something entirely not related to Sophia?"

"it is just like an artist creating a painting and given it a name, he can decide to clean the painting to draw another one, who is it harming?"

Sorry lol

God is the creator and giver of soul, He gave soul to man. He can demand of it anytime and anywhere without asking us. He doesn't owe us that explanation.
Our soul belongs to him.

Regarding the morality question.

Humans slaughter animals at will without care for their own self preservation instinct. Did they tell u they want to die? No but we deprived them of their inmate desire to live so that it's body may be consumed.
Do u know why we able to do this without our conscience being troubled. because we are not bound by the moral principles of the animal world. Whatever law is created within the realm of animal existence is for them to follow and not for us.

Same for God.
God is outside our realm of human moral conscience or moral fibre. He's not bound by it.
We define evil or harm based on our understanding of this physical world. God is not of this physical world, so human laws and code of conduct can't apply to him.
It's very wrong for a human to kill a fellow human for his selfish desire because he didn't make that soul. U can't take what is not yours. But that moral principles can't be applied to God because he's not human.

Another thing u all need to understand is this.
To us humans, when we die it all ends. Our understanding of life is restricted to this physical world.
For God, death simply means separation of soul from the body. The soul doesn't die, it's simply a transition to another realm of existence where the soul continues to exist.
So why should God be troubled because he decides to take a human soul from one house to another house. Why should he be perturbed by such action. It makes no logical sense.
It's like when we drag a toddler from his playroom to his bedroom to sleep. The toddler isn't happy he's being denied the right to continue to play with his toys and visibly upset about it. The parent care less because it's the right time for the child to go to bed. Simple.

Allah calls Himself Al-Mutakabbir— The Supremely Great, The Perfection of Greatness— on one occasion in the Quran. He is the One who is supremely great. Al-Mutakabbir reveals His Greatness and power at every moment and in every incident!

The Supreme, The Possessor of All Rights, The Perfect Greatness

Mutakabbir comes from the root kaaf-baa-raa, which has three main meanings. The first main meaning is to be great in size, rank, or dignity, and the second to to be great in age and in learning. The third main meaning to have rights, privileges, and attributes that others don’t have.

This root appears 161 times in the Quran in 18 derived forms. Examples of these forms are kabura (“hard”), yastakbiroona (“arrogant”), akbaru (“(is)greater”), and al-kibari (“the old age”).

[b]Linguistically, kibriya means greatness and sovereignty, [/b]and it encompasses the meanings of the perfection of one’s self and existence; nobody can be described as such except Allah. Allahu Akbar– Allah is the Greatest— comes from the same root, as well as the name of Allah, Al-Kabeer. Al-Mutakabbir is the One who possesses all greatness, who is above having any of the qualities of His creatures, who cannot be harmed by the oppressors among His creation, and whose greatness and pride are the utmost.

Al-Mutakabbir Himself says: He is Allah , other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him. [Quran, 59:23]

Allah ‘azza wa jall describes people as mutakabbireen (arrogant) on multiple occasions in the Quran. They have arrogance in their hearts and actions towards Allah by disbelieving in His signs and they are arrogant to other people by looking down on them due to position, race, wealth, etc.

Ohyoudidnt:
Makr is defined as causing something to others in a hidden manner, and it also conveys the meanings of plotting and deceit. However, it is of two types: blameworthy Makr, which means causing harm to someone who does not deserve it, and praiseworthy Makr, which means causing harm to someone who deserves it as a punishment. In the verses yo
In Quran 3:54 who are those making a plan?
Are these not the disbelievers and particularly the Jews scheming to accuse Jesus and have him done away with?

In your Bible at Matthew 26: 3-4
Then the leading priests and the older Jewish leaders had a meeting at the palace where the high priest lived. The high priest’s name was Caiaphas.
In the meeting they tried to find a way to arrest and kill Jesus without anyone knowing what they were doing. They planned to arrest Jesus and kill him.

This then leads to the question, is your God below his creation that they will out do or out smart him?
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says in Q3:55

"[Mention] when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ."

This is why there is Q4:171
Or you prefer your Messiah to first be cursed before he takes on the sin of man?
Gal 3:13 Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree

Do you not see Allah is indeed above all and well above his creation?

There is no ayah which explicitly mentions the name Al-Mudhill in the Qur'an, but many describe this attribute of Allah.
Probably why the mischievous slanderer that started this post kept from writing out the verses to support his claims.

It's best this is left here to see how he can justify picking this name.

However we know Allah is all able bringing honour to some from his attribute Al-Muizz and disgrace to others.

Logically in any interaction some have more success compared to others and neither is without leave of the almighty.

Ohyoudidnt:
Allah calls Himself Al-Mutakabbir— The Supremely Great, The Perfection of Greatness— on one occasion in the Quran. He is the One who is supremely great. Al-Mutakabbir reveals His Greatness and power at every moment and in every incident!

The Supreme, The Possessor of All Rights, The Perfect Greatness

Mutakabbir comes from the root kaaf-baa-raa, which has three main meanings. The first main meaning is to be great in size, rank, or dignity, and the second to to be great in age and in learning. The third main meaning to have rights, privileges, and attributes that others don’t have.

This root appears 161 times in the Quran in 18 derived forms. Examples of these forms are kabura (“hard”), yastakbiroona (“arrogant”), akbaru (“(is)greater”), and al-kibari (“the old age”).

[b]Linguistically, kibriya means greatness and sovereignty, [/b]and it encompasses the meanings of the perfection of one’s self and existence; nobody can be described as such except Allah. Allahu Akbar– Allah is the Greatest— comes from the same root, as well as the name of Allah, Al-Kabeer. Al-Mutakabbir is the One who possesses all greatness, who is above having any of the qualities of His creatures, who cannot be harmed by the oppressors among His creation, and whose greatness and pride are the utmost.

Al-Mutakabbir Himself says: He is Allah , other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him. [Quran, 59:23]

Allah ‘azza wa jall describes people as mutakabbireen (arrogant) on multiple occasions in the Quran. They have arrogance in their hearts and actions towards Allah by disbelieving in His signs and they are arrogant to other people by looking down on them due to position, race, wealth, etc.

SIRTee15:


God is the creator and giver of soul, He gave soul to man. He can demand of it anytime and anywhere without asking us. He doesn't owe us that explanation.
Our soul belongs to him.

Regarding the morality question.

Humans slaughter animals at will without care for their own self preservation instinct. Did they tell u they want to die? No but we deprived them of their inmate desire to live so that it's body may be consumed.
Do u know why we able to do this without our conscience being troubled. because we are not bound by the moral principles of the animal world. Whatever law is created within the realm of animal existence is for them to follow and not for us.

Same for God.
God is outside our realm of human moral conscience or moral fibre. He's not bound by it.
We define evil or harm based on our understanding of this physical world. God is not of this physical world, so human laws and code of conduct can't apply to him.
It's very wrong for a human to kill a fellow human for his selfish desire because he didn't make that soul. U can't take what is not yours. But that moral principles can't be applied to God because he's not human.

Another thing u all need to understand is this.
To us humans, when we die it all ends. Our understanding of life is restricted to this physical world.
For God, death simply means separation of soul from the body. The soul doesn't die, it's simply a transition to another realm of existence where the soul continues to exist.
So why should God be troubled because he decides to take a human soul from one house to another house. Why should he be perturbed by such action. It makes no logical sense.
It's like when we drag a toddler from his playroom to his bedroom to sleep. The toddler isn't happy he's being denied the right to continue to play with his toys and visibly upset about it. The parent care less because it's the right time for the child to go to bed. Simple.

Humans pluck out plants for food too, life needs life to live.

Your israelite god doesn't exist beyond the books it was written in

TenQ:

There is no thread yet for these: but it is obvious, isn't it.

Mohammed's father's name is Abdullah (Servant of Allah) and he was an Idolater.
The God of Mohammed is the God of the Kaaba aka the God of the Father of Mohammed. This had been upgraded as the God of the Jews and Christians

A thread on this would be an eye opening thread especially if it is backed with relevant texts as you always do.

SIRTee15:


We define evil or harm based on our understanding of this physical world. God is not of this physical world, so human laws and code of conduct can't apply to him.

Our definition of good, loving, just, benevolent and merciful won't also apply to this god too right?

Another disputed name is Ad-Darr.
From the root dad-ra-ra (ض ر ر), which opinion interpretes as opposing, to apply forceful correction, to do an act that is disliked making inconvenient, annoy, distress, to cause adversity, afflict, to harm, injure, and hurt.

Society often dislikes law enforcement as sometimes it isn't convenient to obey the law. Imagine having about to deliver mother in a car going to the hospital perharps for some reason the delivery is complicated and you are stuck in traffic. The opposing lane is free but by law you cannot use it. Maybe an ambulance authorised by the law to break this law can.. The non conforming nature of many would rather have them oppose the norm unless they are compelled to.

The names Al-Nafi and Ad-Darr (The one who benefits and The one who harms) are often explained in pairs to acknowledge their opposing nature. To explain each name in isolation is to break the harmony and provide an inaccurate or less comprehensive depiction of who Allah is. Note the non name form in which this appears in the Quran.

Ohyoudidnt:
There is no ayah which explicitly mentions the name Al-Mudhill in the Qur'an, but many describe this attribute of Allah.
Probably why the mischievous slanderer that started this post kept from writing out the verses to support his claims.

It's best this is left here to see how he can justify picking this name.

However we know Allah is all able bringing honour to some from his attribute Al-Muizz and disgrace to others.

Logically in any interaction some have more success compared to others and neither is without leave of the almighty.

TenQ:

There is no thread yet for these: but it is obvious, isn't it.

Mohammed's father's name is Abdullah (Servant of Allah) and he was an Idolater.
The God of Mohammed is the God of the Kaaba aka the God of the Father of Mohammed. This had been upgraded as the God of the Jews and Christians

A thread on this would be an eye opening thread especially if it is backed with relevant texts as you always do.

It seems you don't even understand that sin is a wicked master from whom you must be saved.

Sadly I don't find Al-Fattan as a name of Allah but see Al-Fattah the opener.
Is this a typo of the OP or he is just being mischievous by the interpretation of the name he gives.

Ohyoudidnt:
Another disputed name is Ad-Darr.
From the root dad-ra-ra (ض ر ر), which opinion interpretes as opposing, to apply forceful correction, to do an act that is disliked making inconvenient, annoy, distress, to cause adversity, afflict, to harm, injure, and hurt.

Society often dislikes law enforcement as sometimes it isn't convenient to obey the law. Imagine having about to deliver mother in a car going to the hospital perharps for some reason the delivery is complicated and you are stuck in traffic. The opposing lane is free but by law you cannot use it. Maybe an ambulance authorised by the law to break this law can.. The non conforming nature of many would rather have them oppose the norm unless they are compelled to.

The names Al-Nafi and Ad-Darr (The one who benefits and The one who harms) are often explained in pairs to acknowledge their opposing nature. To explain each name in isolation is to break the harmony and provide an inaccurate or less comprehensive depiction of who Allah is. Note the non name form in which this appears in the Quran.

TenQ:
Honesttalk21 is in such a big shock
Ohyoudidnt doesn't know what to say
LegalWolf is in comatose (His nemesis caught up with him)
Rashduct4luv is feigning ignorance
Bakrabas is willing to challenge anyone to a debate but would pretend he hasn't seen this post.
Hamill is ready to fight for Islam but picks his fights carefully
Musa95 is ready to debate but this isn't a debate, it is a trade of truth.


I was shocked when I discovered that the names of Allah excited exceeded 99 and all together up to 276 even though each of your scholars maintain their own 99 names.
You might want to tell me which of those lists of names are fabrications as usual.
Can you people just do without manufacturing hadiths and sunna for Allah?

Do you think my translation of the Arabic is wrong?
1. المتكبر Al-Mutakabbir The Arrogant/The Boaster Quran 59:23

2. المذل Al-Mudhil The Humiliating Quran 3:26

3. المكر Al-Makr The deceitful, cheater/deceiver Qur'an 8:30, Quran 3:54

4. الضار Ad-Daar The "Harmer"/The "Distresser" Quran 6:17

5. المؤمن Al-Mu'min The Believer Quran 59:23


To kill a Rat with poison, all we have to do is to add 0.1% of Poison to the Aromatic, Tantalising and we'll prepared good Food.


Are These names truly the names of Allah?

The number you quoted is the same thing as saying that goes thus in the bible " I am that I am" "emi ni ti n je emi" it's only God that can boast of this that's why it's called" the boaster"


The number two... "The humiliating one" who humiliated pharaoh as powerful as he claimed? Only the Quran talked about the remains of pharaoh Quran says "...his body was preserved so that he can be a lesson for you"

Allaah is the one that humiliating those who think they're tyrants or powerful
In addition to your write up...

3. Whatever worldly materials you might have aquire it's a trial for you. The arrogant once think the joy of this life is forever, that's why God usually deceive them with worldly materials and yet they are still constituting mischief on the land.

His name is also The Lord of mankind i.e the one who created all human being.

Therefore, the God that created death will be called what?

Allaah has many names but just the 99 out of it our eeman can comprehend. You see the rest, their meanings are beyond human thinking faculty. We might end up saying rubbish while trying to associate any meaning to it as you typed up there.

#Shalom #As-salaam

TenQ:

I write both for Christians and Muslims for the sake of their enlightenment.
Why do you conclude that my heart is diseased? Is it because I present conclusions from your religious books not according to your preferred Narratives?

I speak the truth with evidence from your religious books and that you can't refute. The only problem you have with me is that I expose things you would love to keep under the carpet and interpret rightly those things you have falsely misinterpretated to cause mischief even amongst Muslims.

Let me ask you of the things I wrote, which one of it is false?

Why has it been impossible to answer ANY of my questions?

Insufficient as answer is Q3:7 description of your type as far as misunderstanding and misinterpretattion of Allah, lsam, Muhammad (saw) and the muslims are concerned ?

Bakrabas:



The number you quoted is the same thing as saying that goes thus in the bible " I am that I am" "emi ni ti n je emi" it's only God that can boast of this that's why it's called" the boaster"


The number two... "The humiliating one" who humiliated pharaoh as powerful as he claimed? Only the Quran talked about the remains of pharaoh Quran says "...his body was preserved so that he can be a lesson for you"

Allaah is the one that humiliating those who think they're tyrants or powerful
In addition to your write up...

3. Whatever worldly materials you might have aquire it's a trial for you. The arrogant once think the joy of this life is forever, that's why God usually deceive them with worldly materials and yet they are still constituting mischief on the land.

His name is also The Lord of mankind i.e the one who created all human being.

Therefore, the God that created death will be called what?

Allaah has many names but just the 99 out of it our eeman can comprehend. You see the rest, their meanings are beyond human thinking faculty. We might end up saying rubbish while trying to associate any meaning to it as you typed up there.

#Shalom #As-salaam

Mashallah brother you did justice to it. I was getting ready to answer but you said my mind. Alhamdullillah. If he can't comprehend your reply, leave him alone and may Allah guide him to the truth.

Sorry, this is TenQ: I just got a ban responding to this. Let's see if my reply will go through otherwise till tomorrow.

Ohyoudidnt:
Allah calls Himself Al-Mutakabbir— The Supremely Great, The Perfection of Greatness— on one occasion in the Quran. He is the One who is supremely great. Al-Mutakabbir reveals His Greatness and power at every moment and in every incident!

The Supreme, The Possessor of All Rights, The Perfect Greatness

To test your claim,
Here are 10 Arabic sentences (attached) for which you should replace the word Mutakabbir with either supremely great or perfection of greatness or even great or excellent
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See the attached 10 Arabic sentences to which he you should substitute your re-definition of Mutakabbir so that we see if the sentence makes sense
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The Truth is apparent to you here: you are redefining words to suit your purpose different from normal usage

Ohyoudidnt:

Mutakabbir comes from the root kaaf-baa-raa, which has three main meanings. The first main meaning is to be great in size, rank, or dignity, and the second to to be great in age and in learning. The third main meaning to have rights, privileges, and attributes that others don’t have.

This root appears 161 times in the Quran in 18 derived forms. Examples of these forms are kabura (“hard”), yastakbiroona (“arrogant”), akbaru (“(is)greater”), and al-kibari (“the old age”).

[b]Linguistically, kibriya means greatness and sovereignty, [/b]and it encompasses the meanings of the perfection of one’s self and existence; nobody can be described as such except Allah. Allahu Akbar– Allah is the Greatest— comes from the same root, as well as the name of Allah, Al-Kabeer. Al-Mutakabbir is the One who possesses all greatness, who is above having any of the qualities of His creatures, who cannot be harmed by the oppressors among His creation, and whose greatness and pride are the utmost.

Al-Mutakabbir Himself says: He is Allah , other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him. [Quran, 59:23]

Allah ‘azza wa jall describes people as mutakabbireen (arrogant) on multiple occasions in the Quran. They have arrogance in their hearts and actions towards Allah by disbelieving in His signs and they are arrogant to other people by looking down on them due to position, race, wealth, etc.

I see why you want to complicate that which is extremely simple.

1. Is it true that the exact word "Mutakabbir" (متكبّر) appears six times in the Quran?

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:268):
Surah Al-Naml (27:36):
Surah Al-Qasas (28:39):
Surah Al-Qasas (28:76):
Surah Ghafir (40:35):
Surah Al-Qamar (54:24):
Quran 39.60
Qur'an 40:27
Quran 40:35
Qur'an 59:23


2. Is it true that in ALL of them Mutakabbir" (متكبّر) is translated as Arrogant

3. If this is true, then can I put it to you that Al-Mutakabbir can only mean The Arrogant

4. Is it true that In everyday non Religious Arabic usage, "Mutakabbir" (متكبر) is an adjective that describes someone who is arrogant, haughty, or filled with pride. It is not a positive term and is often used to criticize someone's behavior when they display excessive pride or a sense of superiority over others.
So, if in a normal, non-religious context, "Mutakabbir" refers to a person who exhibits arrogance or an inflated sense of self-importance it means that you Muslims are redefining words to mean different from what it normally is.


Summary :
I see that you want to invent a new meaning of either supremely great or perfection of greatness or even great or excellent for the normal use of the word "Mutakabbir" (متكبّر) , this is a fallacy and deceptive use of words sir.

I really have come to understand that you are one who likes to waste time. Allah does not like the wasters.

Show me Mutakabir in Quran 2:268 please

ٱلشَّيۡطَٰنُ يَعِدُكُمُ ٱلۡفَقۡرَ وَيَأۡمُرُكُم بِٱلۡفَحۡشَآءِ ۖ وَٱللَّهُ يَعِدُكُم مَّغۡفِرَةً مِّنۡهُ وَفَضۡلًا ۗ وَٱللَّهُ وَٰسِعٌ عَلِيمٞ
"Satan threatens you with poverty and orders you to immorality, while Allah promises you forgiveness from Him and bounty. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing."

Ohyoudidnt:
There is no ayah which explicitly mentions the name Al-Mudhill in the Qur'an, but many describe this attribute of Allah.
Probably why the mischievous slanderer that started this post kept from writing out the verses to support his claims.

It's best this is left here to see how he can justify picking this name.

However we know Allah is all able bringing honour to some from his attribute Al-Muizz and disgrace to others.

Logically in any interaction some have more success compared to others and neither is without leave of the almighty.

I agree with you that there is no verse that expressly mention Allah as Al-Mudhil in the Qur'an. The verse attached was from an Islamic site unfortunately, I can't locate it again.

The term "Al-Mudhil" (المضل) is one of the names or attributes of Allah in Islamic theology. It is derived from the Arabic root word "Dhal" (ضل), which means to lead astray or cause to err. "Al-Mudhil" can be translated as "The One who leads astray" or "The One who causes to err."

The term "Mudhil" (مضل) primarily relates to leading astray or causing error, and it doesn't directly imply humiliation. It's more about causing someone to deviate from the right path or making them go astray in their beliefs or actions.

Example:
Like Allah created Christianity by replacing Jesus with someone else who look perfectly like Jesus and didn't tell the Disciples of Jesus not His mother not the Apostles that Jesus wasn't the one being crucified

However, the concept of humiliation can be indirectly connected in the sense that if someone is led astray or follows a misguided path, they may eventually face humiliation or negative consequences as a result of their actions or choices.

So the correct translation of the Al-Mudhil is the Misleader or the one who leads astray

Isn't it satan who leads people astray?

Ohyoudidnt:
Another disputed name is Ad-Darr.
From the root dad-ra-ra (ض ر ر), which opinion interpretes as opposing, to apply forceful correction, to do an act that is disliked making inconvenient, annoy, distress, to cause adversity, afflict, to harm, injure, and hurt.

Society often dislikes law enforcement as sometimes it isn't convenient to obey the law. Imagine having about to deliver mother in a car going to the hospital perharps for some reason the delivery is complicated and you are stuck in traffic. The opposing lane is free but by law you cannot use it. Maybe an ambulance authorised by the law to break this law can.. The non conforming nature of many would rather have them oppose the norm unless they are compelled to.

The names Al-Nafi and Ad-Darr (The one who benefits and The one who harms) are often explained in pairs to acknowledge their opposing nature. To explain each name in isolation is to break the harmony and provide an inaccurate or less comprehensive depiction of who Allah is. Note the non name form in which this appears in the Quran.

The name of Allah Al-Adl" (العدل) takes care of justice or punishing wrong doing by Allah. This is different from Ad-Darr the bone of contention.

The term "Ad-Darr" (الضَّرّ) can be translated as "The Afflictor" or "the Harm" or "The Bringer of Adversity."


In ordinary day-to-day Arabic usage, the word "Darr" (ضرّ) refers to harm, damage, or adversity. It is a common term used to describe anything that causes negative effects, discomfort, or trouble. Darr in Arabic usage is ALWAYS used in negative connotation. So, in everyday Arabic conversation, "Darr" is used to refer to harm, damage, or any negative consequences.

Therefore, it is correct that Allah is one who causes Harm to people by his nature.

Ohyoudidnt:
Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, according to Our likeness...'" (Genesis 1:26)

God Hates
“There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, a false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers.” (Proverbs 6:16-19)


God Feels Pleased
“And the speech pleased the Lord, that Solomon had asked this thing.” (1 Kings 3:10)

The Lord told Solomon to ask Him for anything. God was pleased when Solomon asked for wisdom to discern between good and evil to judge God’s people. God was so pleased, He granted Solomon’s petition and also blessed him with riches and honor.

Feeling pleased is a natural emotion, one which we received from God. We should desire to please Him, and we should be pleased with Him.


Do you think your God cannot have the opposites of these feelings?

If man is created in the image of God according to your bible where then does all the emotions of mankind come from?

When the Israelites were in captivity and God showed the pharoah numerous signs didn t he cause/bring him distress?

You believe in God and agree he has power over everything?

He creates and allows things to happen from hot weather to cold weather, floods to droughts and you believe these are just for fun?

There is a heaven and there's hell? You believe these are created for creation sake?

Anyway there surely are core differences in your concept of God and mine. Mine is uniquely one while yours is uniquely 3 in one in a way that surely confuses you yourself.

In any case review those verses you list and actually pick out the names of Allah though these are epithets perhaps you will have understanding.

That's why God in the bible isn't Allah. Pure and simple.

Ohyoudidnt:
I really have come to understand that you are one who likes to waste time. Allah does not like the wasters.

Show me Mutakabir in Quran 2:268 please

ٱلشَّيۡطَٰنُ يَعِدُكُمُ ٱلۡفَقۡرَ وَيَأۡمُرُكُم بِٱلۡفَحۡشَآءِ ۖ وَٱللَّهُ يَعِدُكُم مَّغۡفِرَةً مِّنۡهُ وَفَضۡلًا ۗ وَٱللَّهُ وَٰسِعٌ عَلِيمٞ
"Satan threatens you with poverty and orders you to immorality, while Allah promises you forgiveness from Him and bounty. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing."

Pardon my error please

Quran 39.60
Qur'an 40:27
Quran 40:35
Qur'an 59:23
Corrected!

Bakrabas:



The number you quoted is the same thing as saying that goes thus in the bible " I am that I am" "emi ni ti n je emi" it's only God that can boast of this that's why it's called" the boaster"


The number two... "The humiliating one" who humiliated pharaoh as powerful as he claimed? Only the Quran talked about the remains of pharaoh Quran says "...his body was preserved so that he can be a lesson for you"

Allaah is the one that humiliating those who think they're tyrants or powerful
In addition to your write up...

3. Whatever worldly materials you might have aquire it's a trial for you. The arrogant once think the joy of this life is forever, that's why God usually deceive them with worldly materials and yet they are still constituting mischief on the land.

His name is also The Lord of mankind i.e the one who created all human being.

Therefore, the God that created death will be called what?

Allaah has many names but just the 99 out of it our eeman can comprehend. You see the rest, their meanings are beyond human thinking faculty. We might end up saying rubbish while trying to associate any meaning to it as you typed up there.

#Shalom #As-salaam

The questions were

Do you think my translation of the Arabic is wrong?
1. المتكبر Al-Mutakabbir The Arrogant

2. المذل Al-Mudhil lead astray or cause to err.

3. المكر Al-Makr The deceitful, cheater/deceiver

4. الضار Ad-Daar The "Harmer"/The "Distresser"

5. المؤمن Al-Mu'min The Believer

Check the dictionary meaning of Arrogance, Believe and Decieved and you will note that

God cannot be ARROGANT

God cannot be a BELIEVER

God cannot be a DECEIVER

gaskiyamagana:

Insufficient as answer is Q3:7 description of your type as far as misunderstanding and misinterpretattion of Allah, lsam, Muhammad (saw) and the muslims are concerned ?

Do You want me to go with your preferred Narrative rather than what the simple texts says?

1. المتكبر Al-Mutakabbir The Arrogant

2. المذل Al-Mudhil lead astray or cause to err.

3. المكر Al-Makr The deceitful, cheater/deceiver

4. الضار Ad-Daar The "Harmer"/The "Distresser"

5. المؤمن Al-Mu'min The Believer


These are the names you give Allah aren't they?

Musa95:




Mashallah brother you did justice to it. I was getting ready to answer but you said my mind. Alhamdullillah. If he can't comprehend your reply, leave him alone and may Allah guide him to the truth.

He failed woefully.


The name are descriptive names of the nature of Allah.

1. المتكبر Al-Mutakabbir The Arrogant

2. المذل Al-Mudhil lead astray or cause to err.

3. المكر Al-Makr The deceitful, cheater/deceiver

4. الضار Ad-Daar The "Harmer"/The "Distresser"

5. المؤمن Al-Mu'min The Believer


Check the dictionary meaning of Arrogance, Believe and Decieved and you will note that

God cannot be ARROGANT

God cannot be a BELIEVER

God cannot be a DECEIVER


Don't forget that
1. It is possible that a person cause you distress without being "The Distresser" e.g. A Medical Doctor
2. It is possible for a person to be drunk without being a drunkard

However, when an activity becomes a NAME, it shows that this is the NATURE of the person in Question.

It now seems obvious you don't understand the God you worship.

1 Samuel 16 reads:
14 But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and a distressing spirit from the Lord troubled him.
15 And Saul’s servants said to him, “Surely, a distressing spirit from God is troubling you.
16 Let our master now command your servants, who are before you, to seek out a man who is a skillful player on the harp. And it shall be that he will play it with his hand when the distressing spirit from God is upon you, and you shall be well.”


How is this distressing spirit from the lord, from God and from God not God?

SIRTee15:


That's why God in the bible isn't Allah. Pure and simple.