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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by engrelvis(m): 7:32pm On Sep 02, 2023
eph12:
They sell their best players, change their coach, but the quality still remains. They need to write a book on how they do it
soon big clubs will come for good ones. Before u know it dey r grooming another set of good players. l dnt really know how dey r doing it
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 7:34pm On Sep 02, 2023
eph12:
I don't rate our chances at all considering we're going away.

Erickson shouldn't start the game
Our away form versus Arsenal is terrible. We’ve lost 4 out of the last 5. The remaining match was a draw. Our prospects are not good at all. But I want to be surprised. 1-0 oriyomi win is enough for me.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 7:35pm On Sep 02, 2023
engrelvis:
soon big clubs will come for good ones. Before u know it dey r grooming another set of good players. l dnt really know how dey r doing it
Something wey Southampton don do taya before e backfire and relegate them.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BARAJ92(m): 7:36pm On Sep 02, 2023
eph12:
I have said this thing over and over. Expensive buy is not it at all. It's just unnecessary and laziness on the part of the club, coach and scout to look for alternatives. It can only make sense if it's the final bit of the puzzle. Like you already have an excellent squad and just need one player to make that push for a major trophy. Not when you're trying to build a team
Absolutely Correct.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 7:39pm On Sep 02, 2023
Leyqute:
I remember Missin troubling the opponents in the last game. Seems he even scored a goal.

Lacey has flair. He’s skillful and technical too but he can be lazy. He loses possession too much. He didn’t start the last game and had to come in for an injured teammate. But he played well when he came on. That’s probably why he started today.

This group of U-18s look more technical and intelligent on the ball than their seniors Although things are different at the U-23 level. Maybe it’s me.


They are very good technically and they are very intelligent or is it that they are well coached. Also, they are the best off the ball in terms of pressing and defending that i have seen in the club in a long time. Even though Munro is only 16 he is a very strong CB (though limited on the ball) and for the first time in a long while we have solid defensive full backs on both sides.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chic2pimp(m): 7:41pm On Sep 02, 2023
Leyqute:
Chic2pimp, question for you
Give it time. He is still doing stronghead.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 8:14pm On Sep 02, 2023
afrodoc2:
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They are very good technically and they are very intelligent or is it that they are well coached. Also, they are the best off the ball in terms of pressing and defending that i have seen in the club in a long time. Even though Munro is only 16 he is a very strong CB (though limited on the ball) and for the first time in a long while we have solid defensive full backs on both sides.
How would they compare with Greenwood and Elanga’s set? I feel like those ones are better offensively and arent as good defensively . If not, one of their defenders should’ve found a way into the senior squad, given that weve been parading Magwaya and co in defense. Mengi just left the club and he didn’t even make the bench most times.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TrebleChamp(m): 8:15pm On Sep 02, 2023
eph12:
They sell their best players, change their coach, but the quality still remains. They need to write a book on how they do it
If they lose again, someone would claim you wanted Brighton manager to replace Ten Hag.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 8:15pm On Sep 02, 2023
chic2pimp:
Give it time. He is still doing stronghead.
Alright. Let’s see how things are in a couple of weeks.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Roland17(m): 8:22pm On Sep 02, 2023
Leyqute:
Something wey Southampton don do taya before e backfire and relegate them.
I think Brighton’s model is quite different and will be sustainable and here is why. They have evolved from the way they play unlike the likes of Southampton.

They went from Potter to De Zerbi who has them playing some attractive football while retaining the philosophy and structure of the club in terms of recruitment.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by MRTA7: 8:23pm On Sep 02, 2023
AdisaOwala:
There are already serious allegations that most of the players Chelsea bought were "forced" on the manager..

Unfortunately, even if the above assertion is true, it wouldn't stop the owners from booting Poch out if results don't improve.

I personally would always prefer a scenario where the manager has autonomy over important decisions...such as transfers
Manager should have the final decision on players bought and sold but he should not be the one identifying targets in the first place. City, Liverpool and most top clubs have competent DoF who identify targets and then seek the opinion of the manager. That's how it should be.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 8:25pm On Sep 02, 2023
Leyqute:
How would they compare with Greenwood and Elanga’s set? I feel like those ones are better offensively and arent as good defensively . If not, one of their defenders should’ve found a way into the senior squad, given that weve been parading Magwaya and co in defense. Mengi just left the club and he didn’t even make the bench most times.
This set is deeper. Greenwood' set had very crap midfielders. Awon Charlie McCann and co. Greenwood, Elanga, Mengi, Laird, were the standouts in that set but the rest were quite weak, but this set has no standouts like Greenwood, Mengi, and Laird but has more decent players overall.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 8:32pm On Sep 02, 2023
Roland17:
I think Brighton’s model is quite different and will be sustainable here is why. They have evolved from the way they play unlike the likes of Southampton.

They went from Potter to De Zerbi who has them playing some attractive football while retaining the philosophy and structure of the club in terms of recruitment.
Maybe you’re right. But look at how things will pan out over time.

If you keep losing your best players soon enough you won’t get capable replacements. You cannot work your way to the top operating like an academy for others. It’s not sustainable.

Ask Arsenal. Ask Tottenham. Ask Soton.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by AdisaOwala: 8:36pm On Sep 02, 2023
MRTA7:
Manager should have the final decision on players bought and sold but he should not be the one identifying targets in the first place. City, Liverpool and most top clubs have competent DoF who identify targets and then seek the opinion of the manager. That's how it should be.
Yes, I agree...

It's also another thing for targets to be identified, shown to the manager but he refuses and prefers to go with his own choices of (former) players...
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 8:37pm On Sep 02, 2023
afrodoc2:
This set is deeper. Greenwood' set had very crap midfielders. Awon Charlie McCann and co. Greenwood, Elanga, Mengi, Laird, were the standouts in that set but the rest were quite weak, but this set has no standouts like Greenwood, Mengi, and Laird but has more decent players overall.
It’s disappointing that none of the players you mentioned made it at United. But there are signs that the next set could.

We already have Mainoo and Garnacho as part of the first team, although I think Garnacho will leave when he peaks if Madrid comes calling.

Maybe we’ll have someone else to fill his shoes then. But he has to make it here first for that to happen.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jokerman(m): 8:42pm On Sep 02, 2023
850 Career goals, 242 Career assists.

And we still have Luxembourg next week...😁

We will be there no matter what
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by KingTom(m): 8:46pm On Sep 02, 2023
Leyqute:
Something wey Southampton don do taya before e backfire and relegate them.
Awon eyan Ricky Lambert, Morgan scheniderlin, Lapland etc etc grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 8:50pm On Sep 02, 2023
Leyqute:
It’s disappointing that none of the players you mentioned made it at United. But there are signs that the next set could.

We already have Mainoo and Garnacho as part of the first team, although I think Garnacho will leave when he peaks if Madrid comes calling.

Maybe we’ll have someone else to fill his shoes then. But he has to make it here first for that to happen.
Well Madrid has Vini and Rodrygo so i don't think they need Garnacho. With regards a replacement let's see if Ethan Williams can give himself brain. There is something there but he lacks Garnacho's drive.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Roland17(m): 8:50pm On Sep 02, 2023
Leyqute:
Maybe you’re right. But look at how things will pan out over time.

If you keep losing your best players soon enough you won’t get capable replacements. You cannot work your way to the top operating like an academy for others. It’s not sustainable.

Ask Arsenal. Ask Tottenham. Ask Soton.
I think it depends on what you think their ceiling is every season. Is the goal for them to be competitive enough to create a culture of finishing top 6?

They just brought A. Fati on loan (I wait to see how he blends). With the way they are playing under DeZerbi, they should grab an European spot outside of the UCL, that means they can attract players and provide that balance between building with academy and experienced heads.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 9:06pm On Sep 02, 2023
afrodoc2:
Well Madrid has Vini and Rodrygo so i don't think they need Garnacho. With regards a replacement let's see if Ethan Williams can give himself brain. There is something there but he lacks Garnacho's drive.
Things can change pretty quickly. In 3-5 years Garnacho might be at his peak then and Vini could be way past his. Rodrygo doesn't have a ceiling as high as Vini so I don't think he might be as important as Vini for Madrid.

I don't think I've seen a youth player with the kind of drive and mentality that Garnacho has of recent. That kid is capable or reaching elite level and staying there.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 9:13pm On Sep 02, 2023
Roland17:
I think it depends on what you think their ceiling is every season. Is the goal for them to be competitive enough to create a culture of finishing top 6?

They just brought A. Fati on loan (I wait to see how he blends). With the way they are playing under DeZerbi, they should grab an European spot outside of the UCL, that means they can attract players and provide that balance between building with academy and experienced heads.
I think they're even capable of more than top 6.

I believe they can break inside the top four - if they keep strengthening their squad whilst keeping their most important players. But staying in the top 4 will be a tad more difficult.

Newcastle is already struggling and they haven't started playing 2-3 games every 8 days.

That's why I think people underestimate what Pochettino achieved with Tottenham. For teams outside the top 6, consecutive top 4 finishes no be moin moin.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 9:13pm On Sep 02, 2023
They don kill Napoli o grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 9:14pm On Sep 02, 2023
KingTom:
Awon eyan Ricky Lambert, Morgan scheniderlin, Lapland etc etc grin
You get ittttt grin

They also had some good players - Mane, Shaw, VVD.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 9:25pm On Sep 02, 2023
Leyqute:
Things can change pretty quickly. In 3-5 years Garnacho might be at his peak then and Vini could be way past his. Rodrygo doesn't have a ceiling as high as Vini so I don't think he might be as important as Vini for Madrid.

I don't think I've seen a youth player with the kind of drive and mentality that Garnacho has of recent. That kid is capable or reaching elite level and staying there.
True. Let us hope we can develop him to his full potential, and if he decides to leave let's hope that we produce more just as good, if not better.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 9:35pm On Sep 02, 2023
afrodoc2:
True. Let us hope we can develop him to his full potential, and if he decides to leave let's hope that we produce more just as good, if not better.
Same thoughts here. We often get a good dose of talented youngsters. It's just that we usually mismanage them and they fail to develop into world beaters.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by KingTom(m): 10:02pm On Sep 02, 2023
Leyqute:
You get ittttt grin

They also had some good players - Mane, Shaw, VVD.
Extremely good, they only started parading dross recently, soon the south American pond brighton is fishing from may dry up grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 10:07pm On Sep 02, 2023
KingTom:
Extremely good, they only started parading dross recently, soon the south American pond brighton is fishing from may dry up grin
Everybody go soon wise up.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Roland17(m): 10:35pm On Sep 02, 2023
Leyqute:
I think they're even capable of more than top 6.

I believe they can break inside the top four - if they keep strengthening their squad whilst keeping their most important players. But staying in the top 4 will be a tad more difficult.

Newcastle is already struggling and they haven't started playing 2-3 games every 8 days.

That's why I think people underestimate what Pochettino achieved with Tottenham. For teams outside the top 6, consecutive top 4 finishes no be moin moin.
That is why I said Europe outside of UCL and don’t see a top 4 as a long term goal for them. Brighton’s model is a better and more sustainable model in imparison to the likes of Southampton. They evolve but keep the core of their philosophy.

Also, let me clarify that their recruitment model isn’t necessarily about development from their academy but finding cheap players across the globe, develop them and flip them while they are young.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 11:13pm On Sep 02, 2023
chrisley024:
everyone seems to know what to do and where fellow players are positioned.
It needs to be studied. They hardly have a bad game even when they lose
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 11:16pm On Sep 02, 2023
engrelvis:
soon big clubs will come for good ones. Before u know it dey r grooming another set of good players. l dnt really know how dey r doing it
When you have a system that works. I hope we get to that level soon. I was hoping ETH can bring that system here. Now I'm not so sure
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 11:18pm On Sep 02, 2023
Leyqute:
Our away form versus Arsenal is terrible. We’ve lost 4 out of the last 5. The remaining match was a draw. Our prospects are not good at all. But I want to be surprised. 1-0 oriyomi win is enough for me.
I want to be surprised too. But I've also guided my heart so I don't lose sleep over whatever performance they bring out tomorrow
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 11:19pm On Sep 02, 2023
TrebleChamp:
If they lose again, someone would claim you wanted Brighton manager to replace Ten Hag.
I know what they are. People that can't see beyond their noses
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