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MaxInDHouse:
First of all what is your own definition of the word FOUNDER?

Noun
1. One who founds or establishes (especially said of a company, project, organisation, state)
the founder of Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg

2. (genetics) Someone for whose parents one has no data.

You're clearly going with number 2 definition but we are clearly requesting from number 1 definition.

Jehovah/God is the founder of all things. But he uses people. So who did he use to found/establish your organisation?
Please no further evasion.

Myer:
Noun
1. One who founds or establishes (especially said of a company, project, organisation, state)
the founder of Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg

2. (genetics) Someone for whose parents one has no data.

You're clearly going with number 2 definition but we are i am clearly requesting from number 1 definition.

Jehovah/God is the founder of all things. But he uses people. So who did he use to found/establish your organisation?
Please no further evasion.

Before we proceed know that it's between you and i so erase the thought of many asking me questions while you and i discuss alone.

Do you agree?

Assuming you've agreed.

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

So what is the name of your own organization?

Courz:
advocatejare created this thread to know from the mouth of JWs who their founder is. Lo and behold, one JW said Jehovah, another one said Jesus and explained that Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell. I asked if Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell and is now running it, how come they don't follow Jesus? advocatejare asked Mad MaxInDHouse for the evidence of the transaction details. We have been waiting for the evidence since 1914. Since then, they have been bringing up other needless discussions because it was obvious we were exposing their lies. They brought different topics and still we shamed them.

We EXJWs showed who the founder truly is and what Watchtower truly thinks of their founder. achorladey brought up evidence to prove that Watchtower idolises Charles Taze Russell. The JWS said the evidence has nothing to do with them and therefore fabricated.

I then brought the Watchtower publication gan gan gan and exposed their foolishness. The JWs want to run away. Isn't Almighty God wonderful?

I was just going back to a point in that evidence we used. It states........

Also in the year 1918, when God destroys the churches wholesale and the church members by millions, It shall be that any that escape escape shall come to the works of pastor Russell to learn the meaning of the downfall of christianity.


Come 2023, a long 105 years after the churches and their membership are still very much on earth and growing and the religious organization that wish them destruction and death lamenting and spreading manipulations and lies over the lies and manipulations of over 105 years

MaxInDHouse:
Before we continue in this discussion know that it's between you and i so erase the thought of many asking me questions while you and i discuss alone.

Do you agree?

Assuming you've agreed.

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

So what is the name of your own organization?

All this just to answer the founder of your organisation?

Wait, let me consider if it's worth it..

Myer:
All this just to answer the founder of your organisation?
Wait, let me consider if it's worth it..

If it doesn't worth it then forget it.

But if it does then it's between you and i so may i know the name of your own organization?

Watchtower of November 1,1917, published a year after Russell’s death,
contained an article titled:

“A Tribute to the Seventh Messenger.” In part,

it said:
The great drama of the Gospel Age opened with the apostle Paul as the chief messenger, or angel, to the Church. It closes with Pastor Russell as the seventh and last messenger to the Church militant. For the other five epochs of the Church, the Lord provided messengers in the order named;

St. John, Arius, Waldo, Wycliffe and Luther.

Each in his turn bore the message due to be understood during the epoch he represented.

The two most prominent messengers, however, are the first and the last: St. Paul and Pastor Russell

Cc: Myer
advocatejare
Courz
Dtruthspeaker

MaxInDHouse:
If it doesn't worth it then forget it.

But if it does then it's between you and i so may i know the name of your own organization?

Ok.
I'm Mayowa. (What's your real name?)
I belong to the Body of Christ, recently joined Four square gospel church having tried various denominations.

Myer:
Ok.
I'm Mayowa. (What's your real name?)
I belong to the Body of Christ, recently joined Four square church having tried various denominations.

I'm Akeem.
So let's proceed!

achorladey:
I was just going back to a point in that evidence we used. It states........

Also in the year 1918, when God destroys the churches wholesale and the church members by millions, It shall be that any that escape escape shall come to the works of pastor Russell to learn the meaning of the downfall of christianity.


Come 2023, a long 105 years after the churches and their membership are still very much on earth and growing and the religious organization that wish them destruction and death lamenting and spreading manipulations and lies over the lies and manipulations of over 105 years

This is the same point I was always making. Watchtower and Russell were looking forward to all Churches on earth being destroyed in 1918. I said it now. If you are looking forward to the downfall of Christianity, that means you are admitting you are not a Christian Religion. Back then they never identified as a religion. This is why when I was in the Cult, other Christians would tell me straight up that my religion is not a Christian one. I used to think they were just lying just to sway me away from the Cult but to see Watchtower publication proclaiming destruction upon Christianity, I knew what they were saying was correct.


Look at Christianity still growing, look at Watchtower dying selling Kingdom halls, Bethel branches and Assembly halls. Almighty God and Jesus are wonderful. They have made sure to put JW and Watchtower to shame. Almighty God is still doing wonders in the lives of other Christians today. I have listened to various testimonies. Mind blowing Testimonies. I have watched testimonies from Muslims who became Christians, Satanists, Ex illuminati Members, High level Sorcerers, e.tc. There are churches in Pakistan, Iran etc. Those people there are experiencing real persecution not this fake one JWs are crying about. Almighty God and Jesus are doing marvelous works outside, JWs are here doing nzunzu thinking the whole world revolves around them. I just dey laugh. JWs don't know True Christianity. They are not part of Christendom therefore they are not Christians.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm Akeem.
So let's proceed!

What led you to JW? And why did you decide to settle with them?

achorladey:
Watchtower of November 1,1917, published a year after Russell’s death,
contained an article titled:

“A Tribute to the Seventh Messenger.” In part,

it said:
The great drama of the Gospel Age opened with the apostle Paul as the chief messenger, or angel, to the Church. It closes with Pastor Russell as the seventh and last messenger to the Church militant. For the other five epochs of the Church, the Lord provided messengers in the order named;

St. John, Arius, Waldo, Wycliffe and Luther.

Each in his turn bore the message due to be understood during the epoch he represented.

The two most prominent messengers, however, are the first and the last: St. Paul and Pastor Russell

Cc: Myer
advocatejare
Courz
Dtruthspeaker

Another Tribute to Charles Taze Russell. They are calling him The last most prominent messenger. And JWs are here denying him.

Myer:
What led you to JW? And why did you decide to settle with them?

I love to know the true religion as my parents were Muslims, but some of my relatives are claiming Christians others are traditionalists and most times there's always one argument or the other so i decided to find the one and only true religion.
Out of all these religionists only Jehovah's Witnesses are able to answer all my questions satisfactorily.

But don't let's deviate from the first question you asked.


Jehovah is the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses organization he used Jesus Christ to establish this group as the one and only organization that's doing God's will today!

MaxInDHouse:
I love to know the true religion as my parents were Muslims, but some of my relatives are claiming Christians others are traditionalists and most times there's always one argument or the other so i decided to find the one and only true religion.
Out of all these religionists only Jehovah's Witnesses are able to answer all my questions satisfactorily.

But don't let's deviate from the first question you asked.


Jehovah is the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses organization he used Jesus Christ to establish this group as the one and only organization that's doing God's will today!

Ok. Who is Charles Taze Russell??

Courz:
Another Tribute to Charles Taze Russell. They are calling him The last most prominent messenger. And JWs are here denying him.

Whenever I read this particular post about his last tribute. Na serious laughter going by the connection St. John>>>>>Arius>>>>>> Waldo>>>>> Wycliffe>>>>> Luther

See the Christendom chain till it gets to Russell .

The reason I keep telling them, nothing they believe today that didn't come from the Christendom they love to criticise. Yet somebody will tell me Jesus returned in 1914. Who was working with the great SIX messengers before RUSSELL?


Possibly demons and Satan

Courz:
This is the same point I was always making. Watchtower and Russell were looking forward to all Churches on earth being destroyed in 1918. I said it now. If you are looking forward to the downfall of Christianity, that means you are admitting you are not a Christian Religion. Back then they never identified as a religion. This is why when I was in the Cult, other Christians would tell me straight up that my religion is not a Christian one. I used to think they were just lying just to sway me away from the Cult but to see Watchtower publication proclaiming destruction upon Christianity, I knew what they were saying was correct.


Look at Christianity still growing, look at Watchtower dying selling Kingdom halls, Bethel branches and Assembly halls. Almighty God and Jesus are wonderful. They have made sure to put JW and Watchtower to shame. Almighty God is still doing wonders in the lives of other Christians today. I have listened to various testimonies. Mind blowing Testimonies. I have watched testimonies from Muslims who became Christians, Satanists, Ex illuminati Members, High level Sorcerers, e.tc. There are churches in Pakistan, Iran etc. Those people there are experiencing real persecution not this fake one JWs are crying about. Almighty God and Jesus are doing marvelous works outside, JWs are here doing nzunzu thinking the whole world revolves around them. I just dey laugh. JWs don't know True Christianity. They are not part of Christendom therefore they are not Christians.

That one whose brain is filled with fufu and the one called Janosense will say we should go and bring evidence after bringing evidence they will deny and say the screenshot is not from them

Myer:
Ok. Who is Charles Taze Russell??

Good question!

Jesus is the first and foremost WITNESS of the true God {Revelations 1:5} so all servants of Jehovah are following the footstep of Jesus.

Before God introduced His first and foremost WITNESS He established a nation and made them a nation of priests and promised to establish another covenant with them {Deuteronomy 18:18} when Jesus walked the earth he appointed 12 apostles among his numerous disciples and a spokesman among them namely apostle Peter. This is the man Jesus used as the spokesman since he will leave the earth and return to him home in heaven.

So when he returned in the year 1914 Jesus used Charles Taze Russell as his spokesman in the midst of a research group called International Bible Students Association back then.

Just as Peter was an imperfect man Charles Taze Russell was also imperfect he served as the spokesman of Jesus' 20th century group.

So if anyone is following Peter let them know that Jesus only used Peter as a spokesman in the first century Peter made a lot of mistakes as an imperfect human {Galatians 2:11-14} the same applies to Charles Taze Russell he made a lot of mistakes but just as Jesus used others to correct the mistakes of Peter in the first century he also used others to correct the mistakes of Charles Taze Russell in the 20th century.

That's why i said Jehovah is the founder of His organization He used Jesus to establish it but over the centuries Jesus is using different spokesmen for his group and Charles Taze Russell was one of them!

achorladey:
Whenever I read this particular post about his last tribute. Na serious laughter going by the connection St. John>>>>>Arius>>>>>> Waldo>>>>> Wycliffe>>>>> Luther

See the Christendom chain till it gets to Russell .

The reason I keep telling them, nothing they believe today that didn't come from the Christendom they love to criticise. Yet somebody will tell me Jesus returned in 1914. Who was working with the great SIX messengers before RUSSELL?


Possibly demons and Satan

Don't mind them. JWs are supposed to know that they came from Seventh Day Adventist. There is no Jesus or Jehovah starting JW.

I went through this Finished Mystery book and I was just laughing at the junk in it. It appears Charles Taze Russell and the Watchtower officials surrounding him were all mentally ill. In this book, They are saying that every event that happened in the book of Revelations are actually events that happened in Watchtower and actions Russell was taking. For example, one paragraph mentions a verse in Revelations, talking about an angel pouring fire from Heaven. They said that angel pouring fire is actually Charles Taze Russell giving talk or releasing a book. All sorts of nonsense assumptions full that book.

No wonder Watchtower didn't show case these books in their JW Library because JWs will be shocked at the contents of these books. And this is the same Russell they are saying is still leading them.

MaxInDHouse:
Good question!

Jesus is the first and foremost WITNESS of the true God {Revelations 1:5} so all servants of Jehovah are following the footstep of Jesus.

Before God introduced His first and foremost WITNESS He established a nation and made them a nation of priests and promised to establish another covenant with them {Deuteronomy 18:18} when Jesus walked the earth he appointed 12 apostles among his numerous disciples and a spokesman among them namely apostle Peter. This is the man Jesus used as the spokesman since he will leave the earth and return to him home in heaven.

So when he returned in the year 1914 Jesus used Charles Taze Russell as his spokesman in the midst of a research group called International Bible Students Association back then.

Just as Peter was an imperfect man Charles Taze Russell was also imperfect he served as the spokesman of Jesus' 20th century group.

So if anyone is following Peter let them know that Jesus only used Peter as a spokesman in the first century Peter made a lot of mistakes as an imperfect human {Galatians 2:11-14} the same applies to Charles Taze Russell he made a lot of mistakes but just as Jesus used others to correct the mistakes of Peter in the first century he also used others to correct the mistakes of Charles Taze Russell in the 20th century.

That's why i said Jehovah is the founder of His organization He used Jesus to establish it but over the centuries Jesus is using different spokesmen for his group and Charles Taze Russell was one of them!

achorladey:

You see the deceit. Myer asked who JW founder is. He said Jehovah. Myer asked who Russell is, he now went back to the answer he should have given in the first place. Myer get time sha. Na im go tire.

Courz:
You see the deceit. Myer asked who JW founder is. He said Jehovah. Myer asked who Russell is, he now went back to the answer he should have given in the first place. Myer get time sha. Na im go tire.

The dark art of manipulations and lies Myer sabi the guy. No be today e know am. Just watch as the conversation continues. As at 1914 Charles Russell was 2 years away from his death When did Jesus really start using Russell?

Wetin funny be sey

Let's say Peter and Russell were in the court of law and was asked direct evidence for their work as spokesperson


Simon Peter will say

When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord; you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs.


Charles Russell where is your evidence

achorladey:
The dark art of manipulations Myer sabi the guy. No be today e know am. Just watch as the conversation continues.

Wetin funny be sey

Let's say Peter and Russell were in the court of law and was asked direct evidence for your work as spokesperson


Simon Peter will say

When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord; you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs.


Charles Russell where is your evidence

Mad MaxInDHouse mentioned Peter sent directly by Jesus which you can find in the Bible. Where is evidence that Jesus selected Charles Taze Russell? Nowhere to be found. But look at Mad MaxInDHouse contradicting himself o. He is telling Myer that Jesus chose Charles Taze Russell but he earlier said Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell.

Courz:
Mad MaxInDHouse mentioned Peter sent directly by Jesus which you can find in the Bible. Where is evidence that Jesus selected Charles Taze Russell? Nowhere to be found. But look at Mad MaxInDHouse contradicting himself o. He is telling Myer that Jesus chose Charles Taze Russell but he earlier said Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell.

The name of this thread should be changed to the lies and manipulations of MaxInDHouse and his faithless miscreant peddlers

achorladey:
The name of this thread should be changed to the lies and manipulations of MaxInDHouse and his faithless miscreant peddlers

Exactly. Make we dey watch.

MaxInDHouse:
Good question!

Jesus is the first and foremost WITNESS of the true God {Revelations 1:5} so all servants of Jehovah are following the footstep of Jesus.

Before God introduced His first and foremost WITNESS He established a nation and made them a nation of priests and promised to establish another covenant with them {Deuteronomy 18:18} when Jesus walked the earth he appointed 12 apostles among his numerous disciples and a spokesman among them namely apostle Peter. This is the man Jesus used as the spokesman since he will leave the earth and return to him home in heaven.

So when he returned in the year 1914 Jesus used Charles Taze Russell as his spokesman in the midst of a research group called International Bible Students Association back then.

Just as Peter was an imperfect man Charles Taze Russell was also imperfect he served as the spokesman of Jesus' 20th century group.

So if anyone is following Peter let them know that Jesus only used Peter as a spokesman in the first century Peter made a lot of mistakes as an imperfect human {Galatians 2:11-14} the same applies to Charles Taze Russell he made a lot of mistakes but just as Jesus used others to correct the mistakes of Peter in the first century he also used others to correct the mistakes of Charles Taze Russell in the 20th century.

That's why i said Jehovah is the founder of His organization He used Jesus to establish it but over the centuries Jesus is using different spokesmen for his group and Charles Taze Russell was one of them!

Thanks for your candour.
There really was no reason for the evasion.
Everyone has weaknesses.

God appoints men with weaknesses, transforms them and makes them His witnesses as they receive the Holy Spirit. Acts 1.8

I hope this helps others as well.
Grace and Mercy multiplied to us all.

achorladey:
The name of this thread should be changed to the lies and manipulations of MaxInDHouse and his faithless miscreant peddlers

I believe we should simply respect one another.
The intention should be to enlighten one another not ridicule, especially concerning core values like a person's faith.

achorladey:
The name of this thread should be changed to the lies and manipulations of MaxInDHouse and his faithless miscreant peddlers

Come o, achorladey, Mad MaxInDHouse is saying Jesus selected Russell. But Russell said Jesus and his disciples made mistakes in their interpretation of the Old Testament and that Belief in Jesus is No belief at all. And that Men like himself are the better people that others must follow and not Jesus and his disciples. So, something is not right here. How can the same Russell Jesus selected have such a poor view of Jesus and his disciples? How can the same Russell that Jesus selected teach that he is better than him and should be followed?

Something is not adding up here. How can Jesus select someone that is competing with him?

Myer:
I believe we should simply respect one another.
The intention should be to enlighten one another not ridicule.

I understand your point of view. I have no issues with it. The reality on ground for me based on this thread is that Max and his cohorts kept lying and manipulating the Bible and [b]their beliefs. Evidence of that can be found from page 1 till this current page[/b]. They can deny or refute it. We follow your discussion closely to see more lies and manipulations.

Courz:
Come o, achorladey, Mad MaxInDHouse is saying Jesus selected Russell. But Russell said Jesus and his disciples made mistakes in their interpretation of the Old Testament and that Belief in Jesus is No belief at all. And that Men like himself are the better people that others must follow and not Jesus and his disciples. So, something is not right here. How can the same Russell Jesus selected have such a poor view of Jesus and his disciples? How can the same Russell that Jesus selected teach that he is better than him and should be followed?

Something is not adding up here. How can Jesus select someone that is competing with him?

We know there is no line of succession from Peter to anybody.

achorladey:
We know there is no line of succession from Peter to anybody.

Gbam. No such thing exists. Jesus never mentioned anything like that. These are just a bunch of Men creating their own religions. Period! No JW can provide evidence to anyone to prove Jesus selected their leaders. No one! These are just claims with the aim to control people. Finish!

Myer:
Thanks for your candour.
There really was no reason for the evasion.
Everyone has weaknesses.
God appoints men with weaknesses, transforms them and makes them His witnesses as they receive the Holy Spirit. Acts 1.8
I hope this helps others as well.
Grace and Mercy multiplied to us all.

So JEHOVAH is the FOUNDER of His organization, Jesus is the one He used to establish it but imperfect Charles Taze Russell is the 20th century spokesman of the group.

Just as it makes no sense quoting Peter but Jesus the same way Jehovah's Witnesses don't quote Russell we always quote Jesus.

That's the difference between Jehovah's Witnesses organization and all other religions!

Courz:
Gbam. No such thing exists. Jesus never mentioned anything like that. These are just a bunch of Men creating their own religions. Period! No JW can provide evidence to anyone to prove Jesus selected their leaders. No one! These are just claims with the aim to control people. Finish!

Because I don't want to interfere. I will repeat all that claim and change Russell name to Pope then ask Max is that correct or lies and claims that cannot be proven? See how he goes mute again. They can never allow people measure them by their own standards. Two sort of weight is detestable.

Myer:
I believe we should simply respect one another.The intention should be to enlighten one another not ridicule, especially concerning core values like a person's faith.

You're talking to FAITHLESS MISCREANTS!

You are Mayowa a member of Foursquare.

Oya ask any of them to mention the name of their own religion.

They don't even believe anything in the Bible!