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cornelboy:
You're simply dumb for asking me that. No offence meant

Example of no dey okay for head peddling brains.

When you were asking him to show you where God states that babies are not enemies of God, something you can't find in the scripture your dumb peddling brains don't know it is a dumb question

MaxInDHouse you have unanswered questions here:

Who founded the JW organization: Jesus or Jehovah because you people are not consistent!

Show where that is written in the Bible that Jesus or Jehovah found a religion


Show where the name of the religion Jesus/Jehovah founded was called Jehovah’s Witness Organization in the Bible


You claimed that Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell: how much did Russell sell it to Jesus for, in what currency, cash or transfer, the document signed and who are those that witnessed the transaction, at what date?

CC: Janosky

advocatejare:
MaxInDHouse you have unanswered questions here:
Who founded the JW organization: Jesus or Jehovah because you people are not consistent!
Show where that is written in the Bible that Jesus or Jehovah found a religion
Show where the name of the religion Jesus/Jehovah founded was called Jehovah’s Witness Organization in the Bible
You claimed that Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell: how much did Russell sell it to Jesus for, in what currency, cash or transfer, the document signed and who are those that witnessed the transaction, at what date?
CC: Janosky

Ọmọ lọ sinmi, kò sọ́rọ̀ mọ́.
If you don't have a religion there's no need to worry yourself over the religion of others?

cornelboy:
You're simply dumb for asking me that. No offence meant

Smile...see frustration

Now the tune has changed.

Was Jesus included?

Very simple question.

That simply shows that you don't understand your own statement.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ lọ sinmi, kò sọ́rọ̀ mọ́.
If you don't have a religion there's no need to worry yourself over the religion of others?

Show me where Jesus or Jehovah established religion in the Bible

advocatejare:
Show me where Jesus or Jehovah established religion in the Bible

What was the Samaritan woman dragging with Jesus when she said:

"Our forefathers worshipped on this mountain, but you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where people must worship." John 4:20

Jesus confirmed that the religion of the Jews is acceptable while that of Samaritans is wrong. John 4:22

So if you don't have a religion there's no need arguing about people's you're more or less an atheists!

MaxInDHouse:
What was the Samaritan woman dragging with Jesus when she said:

"Our forefathers worshipped on this mountain, but you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where people must worship." John 4:20

Jesus confirmed that the religion of the Jews is acceptable while that of Samaritans is wrong. John 4:22

So if you don't have a religion there's no need arguing about people's you're more or less an atheists!

Quote where Jesus said that he established a religion!

advocatejare:
Quote where Jesus said that he established a religion!

Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things" Matthew 2818-20

Jesus established a religion that's why anyone not practicing it is not worshiping the same God Jesus worshiped! John 15:14

So continue waiting for where Jesus specifically say he established a religion!

Why do Jehovah’s Witnesses say they are God’s organization so matter of factly as though such an audacious claim is an undisputable fact?

Here is how one person sees this claim.

"The entire Jehovah’s Witness religion is founded on unsubstantiated hubristic claims which are continually repeated until they are assumed by adherents to be a proven fact.

Never is this more evident than when the beliefs of a Jehovah’s Witness are successfully challenged. The more compelling the evidence against them, the more they resort to repeating their convictions with a sense of insistence, as if they are chanting a mantra.

Confirmation bias is prevalent in all religious ideologies, but particularly with Jehovah’s Witnesses. The reason for this is that their evangelical work puts them in contact with many rival belief systems.

In order to overcome challenges to their beliefs and to prevent any doubts creeping in, Jehovah’s Witnesses have to retreat to their echo chamber to bolster their faith.

By repeatedly discussing their beliefs with fellow believers, they convince themselves that what they teach is the only ‘truth’. As well as supporting their own need for certainty, they in turn are helping to reinforce the delusions of other members.

There is a very interesting logical fallacy which highlights this method of confirmation which Jehovah’s Witnesses use, called ‘proof by repeated assertion’.

Here is a brief description:-

“Proof by repeated assertion is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction and refutation. The proposition can sometimes be repeated until any challenges or opposition ceases, letting the proponent assert it as fact, and solely due to a lack of challengers. In other cases, it’s repetition may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority fallacy.

…In its extreme form, it can also be a form of brainwashing.”

At their meetings, Jehovah’s Witnesses are trained by role playing, acting out the arguments they regularly encounter in their ministry. However, they only ever consider the scenarios which present the softest resistance to their beliefs.

By constantly ‘overcoming’ the more easy arguments during practice sessions, Jehovah’s Witnesses are lulled into a false sense of security, believing that they have watertight answers to all the questions and objections they can expect to encounter in their ministry.

However, in real life JWs are occasionally confronted with much more profound and difficult challenges to their faith which they have not previously encountered. They invariably refrain from directly arguing or debating on these topics, but instead use deflection tactics such as referring the questioner to their website, and then they quickly retreat.

Later, when no longer under direct pressure, JWs are likely to replay the difficult challenge over in their mind. If there are no set answers in the Watchtower literature, they are compelled to fabricate a refutation themselves, perhaps by looking for relevant bible verses. The motive for this is often more to reassure themselves than to answer the challenger.

But many times there is no valid refutation. A frequent recourse if they can't find a gratifying way to refute the objection to their religion, is to vilify the character of the challenger, as a means to negate the challenge.

They are then compelled to use flawed logic to find a ‘solution’ to the challenge. Once they have an idea, they cling to it and repeat it, however false or illogical it is, until it becomes an ‘established’ counter argument (at least in their minds).

A classic, often repeated example is as follows. After pointing out a flaw in the Organisation they will reply by saying:-

“Show me an alternative religion that has more truth than ours”........ MaxInDHouse

If their adversary fails or declines to suggest an appropriate alternative religion, the JW erroneously concludes that this is decisive evidence that theirs is the true religion by default....... MaxInDHouse

Many people who have had encounters with Jehovah’s Witnesses will recognise this trait. Very often, when Jehovah’s Witness are confronted with contrary evidence, they simply repeat an invalid point over and over, even though they have been presented with well-founded objections or incontrovertible evidence....... JaNosense and his likes

After several such encounters, Jehovah’s Witnesses begin to have misplaced confidence in their false reasoning, which leads them to the absurd conclusion that their religion is the only one God is backing.

The Watchtower literature is also a factor which builds confidence in JWs that their religion is God’s organisation. The articles repeatedly make the hubristic claim that they are God’s ‘channe[/b]l’, that God is using the ‘Faithful Slave’ to convey his message, etc.

Despite the lack of [b]sufficient evidence, the constant repetition of these claims forms a confirmation bias in the minds of the followers, and these invalid assumptions become an established fact.

One only has to read the posts of many JWs on nairaland to see this process in motion. There are countless answers from JW apologists in which they claim to be God’s people.

Remaining in an environment where this predominant attitude is constantly played out, has convinced millions of followers that their religion is God’s organisation, even though they lack sufficient evidence to back up this baseless claim."



For your reading delight

Emusan:
Smile...see frustration

Now the tune has changed.

Was Jesus included?

Very simple question.

That simply shows that you don't understand your own statement.

He don choke with his dumb peddling already. Na to run remain.

Emusan:
Smile...see frustration

Now the tune has changed.

Was Jesus included?

Very simple question.

That simply shows that you don't understand your own statement.

Okay

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things" Matthew 2818-20

Jesus established a religion that's why anyone not practicing it is not worshiping the same God Jesus worshiped! John 15:14

So continue waiting for where Jesus specifically say he established a religion!

Quote Jesus verbatim where he said that he established a religion on earth

advocatejare:
Quote Jesus verbatim where he said that he established a religion on earth

Shame on you and all your cohorts!

Go and tell the Muslims Jesus never established a religion and see how they will be glad that you don't have a religion since Jesus never established one, they will ask you why not join Islam at least they have a religion?

MaxInDHouse:
Shame on you and all your cohorts!

Go and tell the Muslims Jesus never established a religion and see how they will be glad that you don't have a religion since Jesus never established one, they will ask you why not join Islam at least they have a religion?

Stop crying. Just show your evidence. I need facts not your tantrum throwing like a toddler whose candy was taken away.

Back up your claim with the Bible. Show us where Jesus said that he established any religion in the Bible

Advocatejare has been taken unaware!

I warned him not to burn his fingers but he won't listen.

Today is the 9th of September now all his threads has become dormant with last comments dating August only for him to keep commenting on this one.

Ṣebí i told you there is no sense talking about other people's religion instead of preaching the Good News of God's kingdom you just keep heaping threads upon threads on Muslims and Islam.

Now you want to kill yourself with HBP over JW matter, i'm leaving you for good because it's clear to everyone that you've learned your lesson the hard way.

Goodbye!

MaxInDHouse:
Advocatejare has been taken unaware!

I warned him not to burn his fingers but he won't listen.

Today is the 9th of September now all his threads has become dormant with last comments dating August only for him to keep commenting on this one.

Ṣebí i told you there is no sense talking about other people's religion instead of preaching the Good News of God's kingdom you just keep heaping threads upon threads on Muslims and Islam.

Now you want to kill yourself with HBP over JW matter, i'm leaving you for good because it's clear to everyone that you've learned your lesson the hard way.

Goodbye!

You’re using tactical withdrawal.

Shame don dey catch, you are just here to rant because you either don’t back up your foolish submissions with the scriptures or you quote the wrong scripture and give it a wrong meaning like Satan your father has been doing. Your assignment is simple, back up your claims with the scriptures and answer the questions you have been evading:


Who founded the JW organization: Jesus or Jehovah because you people are not consistent!

Show where that is written in the Bible that Jesus or Jehovah found a religion


Show where the name of the religion Jesus/Jehovah founded was called Jehovah’s Witness Organization in the Bible


You claimed that Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell: how much did Russell sell it to Jesus for, in what currency, cash or transfer, the document signed and who are those that witnessed the transaction, at what date?

advocatejare:
You’re using tactical withdrawal.

Shame don dey catch, you are just here to rant because you either don’t back up your foolish submissions with the scriptures or you quote the wrong scripture and give it a wrong meaning like Satan your father has been doing. Your assignment is simple, back up your claims with the scriptures and answer the questions you have been evading:


Who founded the JW organization: Jesus or Jehovah because you people are not consistent!

Show where that is written in the Bible that Jesus or Jehovah found a religion


Show where the name of the religion Jesus/Jehovah founded was called Jehovah’s Witness Organization in the Bible


You claimed that Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell: how much did Russell sell it to Jesus for, in what currency, cash or transfer, the document signed and who are those that witnessed the transaction, at what date?

He is going to withdrawal last last. He has to run when his lies and manipulations are exposed continously. This thread really do them serious shege regarding that. He wanted to use Mayowa to flog us but ended being flogged and lashed now he his running away and doing all within his power to avoid us

achorladey:
He is going to withdrawal last last. He has to run when his lies and manipulations are exposed continously. This thread really do them serious shege regarding that. He wanted to use Mayowa to flog us but ended being flogged and lashed now he his running away and doing all within his power to avoid us

He tried so much to divert the discussion when he realized that he could not use the scriptures to back his spurious claims but he failed woefully

MaxInDHouse after all the back and forth, you failed to:

•disprove that the man with rotten character called Russell is the founder of your satanic cult

• tell us your cult’s stance on divorce as practiced by Russell your founder

• show us that Russell sold JW organization to Jesus


• show us where Jesus or Jehovah claimed to have established any religion in the Bible


In short, you only babbled like a cretin and at the end of the day you ran away like a coward that you are, same way cowardice made you run away from the army

You have always been running away all your life! Be a man, be responsible.

advocatejare:
He tried so much to divert the discussion when he realized that he could not use the scriptures to back his spurious claims but he failed woefully

His best route to save his head and face his to avoid and run away from his lies and manipulations peddled all over this thread.

advocatejare:
MaxInDHouse after all the back and forth, you failed to:

•disprove that the man with rotten character called Russell is the founder of your satanic cult

• tell us your cult’s stance on divorce as practiced by Russell your founder

• show us that Russell sold JW organization to Jesus


• show us where Jesus or Jehovah claimed to have established any religion in the Bible


In short, you only babbled like a cretin and at the end of the day you ran away like a coward that you are, same way cowardice made you run away from the army

You have always been running away all your life! Be a man, be responsible.

Emusan:
And "...moment we were conceived..." will be...

Well Jesus might not be conceived sha...

Babies are enemies of God saga.

John 9:1-3
As Jesus was walking along, he saw a man who had been blind from birth. “Rabbi,” his disciples asked him, “why was this man born blind? Was it because of his own sins or his parents’ sins?” “It was not because of his sins or his parents’ sins,” Jesus answered. “This happened so the power of God could be seen in him.

Their GODS must be worshiped at all cost . In their land uninspired doctrines trumps inspired doctrines.

achorladey:
Why do Jehovah’s Witnesses say they are God’s organization so matter of factly as though such an audacious claim is an undisputable fact?

Here is how one person sees this claim.

"The entire Jehovah’s Witness religion is founded on unsubstantiated hubristic claims which are continually repeated until they are assumed by adherents to be a proven fact.

Never is this more evident than when the beliefs of a Jehovah’s Witness are successfully challenged. The more compelling the evidence against them, the more they resort to repeating their convictions with a sense of insistence, as if they are chanting a mantra.

Confirmation bias is prevalent in all religious ideologies, but particularly with Jehovah’s Witnesses. The reason for this is that their evangelical work puts them in contact with many rival belief systems.

In order to overcome challenges to their beliefs and to prevent any doubts creeping in, Jehovah’s Witnesses have to retreat to their echo chamber to bolster their faith.

By repeatedly discussing their beliefs with fellow believers, they convince themselves that what they teach is the only ‘truth’. As well as supporting their own need for certainty, they in turn are helping to reinforce the delusions of other members.

There is a very interesting logical fallacy which highlights this method of confirmation which Jehovah’s Witnesses use, called ‘proof by repeated assertion’.

Here is a brief description:-

“Proof by repeated assertion is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction and refutation. The proposition can sometimes be repeated until any challenges or opposition ceases, letting the proponent assert it as fact, and solely due to a lack of challengers. In other cases, it’s repetition may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority fallacy.

…In its extreme form, it can also be a form of brainwashing.”

At their meetings, Jehovah’s Witnesses are trained by role playing, acting out the arguments they regularly encounter in their ministry. However, they only ever consider the scenarios which present the softest resistance to their beliefs.

By constantly ‘overcoming’ the more easy arguments during practice sessions, Jehovah’s Witnesses are lulled into a false sense of security, believing that they have watertight answers to all the questions and objections they can expect to encounter in their ministry.

However, in real life JWs are occasionally confronted with much more profound and difficult challenges to their faith which they have not previously encountered. They invariably refrain from directly arguing or debating on these topics, but instead use deflection tactics such as referring the questioner to their website, and then they quickly retreat.

Later, when no longer under direct pressure, JWs are likely to replay the difficult challenge over in their mind. If there are no set answers in the Watchtower literature, they are compelled to fabricate a refutation themselves, perhaps by looking for relevant bible verses. The motive for this is often more to reassure themselves than to answer the challenger.

But many times there is no valid refutation. A frequent recourse if they can't find a gratifying way to refute the objection to their religion, is to vilify the character of the challenger, as a means to negate the challenge.

They are then compelled to use flawed logic to find a ‘solution’ to the challenge. Once they have an idea, they cling to it and repeat it, however false or illogical it is, until it becomes an ‘established’ counter argument (at least in their minds).

A classic, often repeated example is as follows. After pointing out a flaw in the Organisation they will reply by saying:-

“Show me an alternative religion that has more truth than ours”........ MaxInDHouse

If their adversary fails or declines to suggest an appropriate alternative religion, the JW erroneously concludes that this is decisive evidence that theirs is the true religion by default....... MaxInDHouse

Many people who have had encounters with Jehovah’s Witnesses will recognise this trait. Very often, when Jehovah’s Witness are confronted with contrary evidence, they simply repeat an invalid point over and over, even though they have been presented with well-founded objections or incontrovertible evidence....... JaNosense and his likes

After several such encounters, Jehovah’s Witnesses begin to have misplaced confidence in their false reasoning, which leads them to the absurd conclusion that their religion is the only one God is backing.

The Watchtower literature is also a factor which builds confidence in JWs that their religion is God’s organisation. The articles repeatedly make the hubristic claim that they are God’s ‘channe[/b]l’, that God is using the ‘Faithful Slave’ to convey his message, etc.

Despite the lack of [b]sufficient evidence, the constant repetition of these claims forms a confirmation bias in the minds of the followers, and these invalid assumptions become an established fact.

One only has to read the posts of many JWs on nairaland to see this process in motion. There are countless answers from JW apologists in which they claim to be God’s people.

Remaining in an environment where this predominant attitude is constantly played out, has convinced millions of followers that their religion is God’s organisation, even though they lack sufficient evidence to back up this baseless claim."



For your reading delight

Almost all christian sect claim Jesus founded their religion, including JWs. We all know it's a claim. Don't blame the JWs, what else do you expect?

Sand2022:
Almost all christian sect claim Jesus founded their religion, including JWs. We all know it's a claim. Don't blame the JWs, what else do you expect?

For your reading delight chief.

The post goes beyond the claims. it captures the mindset behind the need to defend claims that cannot be proven to be true.

Cowardice MaxInDHouse Army deserter, you’ve run away from answering my questions

I hope you’re not subjecting your wife to mental torture like Russell your useless founder did to his wife

Coward army deserter MaxInDHouse

Who founded the JW organization: Jesus or Jehovah because you people are not consistent!

Show where that is written in the Bible that Jesus or Jehovah found a religion


Show where the name of the religion Jesus/Jehovah founded was called Jehovah’s Witness Organization in the Bible


You claimed that Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell: how much did Russell sell it to Jesus for, in what currency, cash or transfer, the document signed and who are those that witnessed the transaction, at what date?

Sand2022:
Almost all christian sect claim Jesus founded their religion, including JWs. We all know it's a claim. Don't blame the JWs, what else do you expect?

You're wrong here!

Most Christians denominations never claimed Jesus is the founder of their denominations but Jesus CHRIST is the Founder of Christianity and He CALLED THEM to work for Him (even though some are lying).

JWs made that spurious claim for their selfish reasons. After claiming the name CHRISTIANITY has been polluted, bastardized and of Satan which is the reason why Jehovah gave them a new name (Jehovah Witness) they'll still hide under pretence and called themselves Christians to suit certain agenda.

advocatejare:
Cowardice MaxInDHouse Army deserter, you’ve run away from answering my questions

I hope you’re not subjecting your wife to mental torture like Russell your useless founder did to his wife

He claimed he stop His wife from commenting on Nairaland religion section even though it was his wife who introduced him to Nairaland.

Looking at some post from the moniker he claimed his wife uses on Nairaland which he also uses when his account suspended or banned, one can see that his wife is not brainwashed like him and far more intelligent than him.

Check the attached pics below

Emusan:
He claimed he stop His wife from commenting on Nairaland religion section even though it was his wife who introduced him to Nairaland.

Looking at some post from the moniker he claimed his wife uses on Nairaland which he also uses when his account suspended or banned, one can see that his wife is not brainwashed like him and far more intelligent than him.

Check the attached pics below

MaxInDHouse the cowardice Army deserter, it’s good to know that your wife is wiser than you

Coward army deserter MaxInDHouse

Who founded the JW organization: Jesus or Jehovah because you people are not consistent!

Show where that is written in the Bible that Jesus or Jehovah found a religion


Show where the name of the religion Jesus/Jehovah founded was called Jehovah’s Witness Organization in the Bible


You claimed that Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell: how much did Russell sell it to Jesus for, in what currency, cash or transfer, the document signed and who are those that witnessed the transaction, at what date?

cornelboy:
Okay

Here is the Bible verse where God says Babies are INNOCENT.

"Brothers, do not become young children in your understanding,+ but be young children as to badness;+ and become full-grown in your understanding." 1 Corin 14:20 - NWT

Notice the plus sign in from of the @underlined, it's a reference to another verse which is Romans 16:19 "Your obedience has come to the notice of all, and so I rejoice over you. But I want you to be wise as to what is good, but innocent as to what is evil."

Having established that.

See how another translation puts it "Dear brothers and sisters, don’t be childish in your understanding of these things. Be innocent as babies when it comes to evil, but be mature in understanding matters of this kind." 1 Corin 14:20 - NLT

Reason why Christ says God's Kingdom are for people who are like CHILDREN.

Babies are innocent, God's heritage and rewards.

Stop following man made doctrine.

Emusan:
Here is the Bible verse where God says Babies are INNOCENT.

"Brothers, do not become young children in your understanding,+ but be young children as to badness;+ and become full-grown in your understanding." 1 Corin 14:20 - NWT

Notice the plus sign in from of the @underlined, it's a reference to another verse which is Romans 16:19 "Your obedience has come to the notice of all, and so I rejoice over you. But I want you to be wise as to what is good, but innocent as to what is evil."

Having established that.

See how another version put it "Dear brothers and sisters, don’t be childish in your understanding of these things. Be innocent as babies when it comes to evil, but be mature in understanding matters of this kind." 1 Corin 14:20 - NLT

Reason why Christ says God's Kingdom are for people who are like CHILDREN.

Babies are innocent, God's heritage and rewards.

Stop following man made doctrine.

Lol Paul was the one talking there. He's was admonishing them to do no evil.

It doesn't matter whether we are babies or not. We have all sinned and fall short of God's glory.
Until we are reconciled to God through Jesus Christ, we would remain God's enemies.

I don't care what your interpretation is