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Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:00pm On Sep 13, 2023
Emusan:
What makes people ENEMIES of God is their EVIL WAYS AND DISOBEDIENT TO GOD'S LAWS.
NO! It's inherited sin that makes humans God's enemies but out of His infinite mercy He decided to help us because we are innocent regarding INHERITED SIN:

"For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23

Means we can't rightly be called God's children or friends it's undeserved kindness (grave) that we have as He stretches His hands to help us out.

So whether fetus in the womb o or old man we are ALL SINNERS! Psalms 51:5

Emusan:
Was Jesus part of that ALL?
NO nah!
His human life never generated from Adamic reproduction process so he never inherited sin! smiley
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Emusan(m): 3:03pm On Sep 13, 2023
achorladey:
The innocent blood in your NWT captured below means what grin grin grin grin


Guilty, sinful, impure abi? grin cheesy grin grin

He abandoned his own Bible to NIV yet he will say nobody knows nothing about the works of Jesus had Jehovah’s witnesses not exist grin grin grin grin

Lies and manipulations keeps rolling grin grin grin
One thing about liar is that they must lie one lie to cover up for the previous lies, so the lies continue.

Imagine what his own organisation says about INNOCENT. That description can never be close to God's enemy. Yet they must defend lies.

Let him come and give another excuse, maybe this time God never promised Babies anything is what we'll hear cheesy grin cheesy grin grin
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:05pm On Sep 13, 2023
Emusan:
Only if you have shame and how you're just disgracing yourself up and down. You can't provide where Bible called Babies God's enemies. You can't provide where 1914 was mentioned in the Bible. cheesy grin cheesy grin
Ọmọ there's nothing like disgrace in scriptural discussions it's either you agree or disagree.

I have my own global family of peace loving worshipers so if you say i'm wrong that's your own opinion at least my global family doesn't think like you! cheesy
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by achorladey: 3:05pm On Sep 13, 2023
Emusan:
Only if you have shame and how you're just disgracing yourself up and down.

You can't provide where Bible called Babies God's enemies.

You can't provide where 1914 was mentioned in the Bible.

cheesy grin cheesy grin
When he used his own hands to type that Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell. Jesus came back in 1914 to buy lies from a man who was called the seventh and last messenger of the gospel era. The messages of the last messenger are all lies that even the organisation Jesus bought cannot print any longer grin grin grin
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by achorladey: 3:10pm On Sep 13, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
NO! It's inherited sin that makes humans God's enemies but out of His infinite mercy He decided to help us because we are innocent regarding INHERITED SIN:

"For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23

Means we can't rightly be called God's children or friends it's undeserved kindness (grave) that we have as He stretches His hands to help us out.

So whether fetus in the womb o or old man we are ALL SINNERS! Psalms 51:5


NO nah!
His human life never generated from Adamic reproduction process so he never inherited sin! smiley
Madness and insanities peddling never cease


MaxInDHouse et al., 2023..... He decided to help us because we are innocent regarding INHERITED SIN grin grin grin grin
The last of it is yet to come. Your lies and manipulations have been knackered and bartered to submission that indeed they were lies and manipulations.

Cc: Emusan grin grin grin grin
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Emusan(m): 3:14pm On Sep 13, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
NO! It's inherited sin that makes humans God's enemies
It's EVIL done by mean.

but out of His infinite mercy He decided to help us because we are innocent regarding INHERITED SIN:

"For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23
Adamic NATURE made us prone to SIN.

Children/Babies are INNOCENT which means they are not EVIL.

Means we can't rightly be called God's children or friends it's undeserved kindness (grave) that we have as He stretches His hands to help us out.
But this doesn't apply to Babies because they are not EVIL.

So whether fetus in the womb o or old man we are ALL SINNERS! Psalms 51:5
Which is about the NATURE INHERITED from Adam not about DOING EVIL.

People who do evil are ENEMIES OF GOD.

TRUE OR FALSE?


NO nah!
His human life never generated from Adamic reproduction process so he never inherited sin! smiley
Good so which means INHERITED here means NATURE PRONE/EXPOSE US to SIN not that we started committing EVIL from WOMB.

Check again what your organisation says about BEING INNOCENT!

Now that Bible says Babies are INNOCENT.

Who will you follow, Bible or your gods?

Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Emusan(m): 3:16pm On Sep 13, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ there's nothing like disgrace in scriptural discussions it's either you agree or disagree.
Scripturally, Babies are INNOCENT.

And innocent according to your organisation is PURE, BLAMELESS e.t.c

Do you agree or disagree?

I have my own global family of peace loving worshipers so if you say i'm wrong that's your own opinion at least my global family doesn't think like you! cheesy
Of course you don't need to tell me that and we're discussing the same poisonous food dished to you from that family. cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Emusan(m): 3:18pm On Sep 13, 2023
achorladey:
Madness and insanities peddling never cease

The last of it is yet to come. Your lies and manipulations have been knackered and bartered to submission that indeed they were lies and manipulations.

Cc: Emusan grin grin grin grin
I saw that part and I was just shaking my head.

You lie so tey that you begin to contradict yourself within page of discussion. cheesy grin cheesy grin
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:21pm On Sep 13, 2023
Emusan:
Who will you follow, Bible or your gods?
My Bible said:

"ALL HAVE SINNED" Romans 3:23

So all are God's enemies that's why God killed both old and babies in the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho and Amalek! smiley
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by achorladey: 3:22pm On Sep 13, 2023
Emusan:
I saw that part and I was just shaking my head.

You lie so tey that you begin to contradict yourself within page of discussion. cheesy grin cheesy grin
Make e go chop im goose as served and dished out.

We don cook am already for am.


grin grin grin grin
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by achorladey: 3:24pm On Sep 13, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
My Bible said:

"ALL HAVE SINNED" Romans 3:23

So all are God's enemies that's why God killed both old and babies in the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho and Amalek! smiley
Oga go chop your goose cheesy grin cheesy cheesy we don cook am already.
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:28pm On Sep 13, 2023
Emusan:
Scripturally, Babies are INNOCENT.
And innocent according to your organisation is PURE, BLAMELESS e.t.c
Do you agree or disagree?
Of course you don't need to tell me that and we're discussing the same poisonous food dished to you from that family. cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy
We are talking about God's enemies here not innocent people who are blameless.

David killed Uriah and took the man's wife yet he is God's favourite!

Why? Because both David, Uriah and the wife are all born sinners making them all God's enemies. But out of God's enemies David has developed some habits that draws God to him and show him mercy.

So if you're talking about innocent, blameless or pure that doesn't change the fact that all are sinners and thus were born as God's enemies! smiley
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by achorladey: 3:29pm On Sep 13, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ there's nothing like disgrace in scriptural discussions it's either you agree or disagree.

I have my own global family of peace loving worshipers so if you say i'm wrong that's your own opinion at least my global family doesn't think like you! cheesy
But you love to lash and flog people all over nairaland and equally torment them over scriptural discussion grin grin

Your GODS will help you. So pe Amin!
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Emusan(m): 3:30pm On Sep 13, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
My Bible said:

"ALL HAVE SINNED" Romans 3:23
The Bible says specifically that BABIES ARE INNOCENT.

Jesus admonished His disciples to BE LIKE BABIES.

Your organisation described INNOCENT as being PURE, BLAMELESS e.t.c

So all are God's enemies
An INNOCENT PERSON can't be God's Enemy.

Even in human court, INNOCENCE never consider Gov enemies.

that's why God killed both old and babies in the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho and Amalek! smiley
No! He knows taking cares of Babies demand ALOT.

Even human knows this unless people like you.
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Emusan(m): 3:32pm On Sep 13, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
We are talking about God's enemies here not innocent people who are blameless.
That's why I said an innocent person can't be GOD'S ENEMY.

Are you innocent NOW?

David killed Uriah and took the man's wife yet he is God's favourite!

Why? Because both David, Uriah and the wife are all born sinners making them all God's enemies. But out of God's enemies David has developed some habits that draws God to him and show him mercy.
Irrelevant!

Stop telling stories.

So if you're talking about innocent, blameless or pure that doesn't change the fact that all are sinners and thus were born as God's enemies! smiley
Bible says Babies are INNOCENT not me.

So Babies are not God's enemies. cheesy grin cheesy grin
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by achorladey:
MaxInDHouse:
We are talking about God's enemies here not innocent people who are blameless.

David killed Uriah and took the man's wife yet he is God's favourite!

Why? Because both David, Uriah and the wife are all born sinners making them all God's enemies. But out of God's enemies David has developed some habits that draws God to him and show him mercy.

So if you're talking about innocent, blameless or pure that doesn't change the fact that all are sinners and thus were born as God's enemies! smiley
grin grin grin grin grin grin

Because both David, Uriah and the wife are all born sinners making them all God's enemies.
We know these are babies military intelligence officer grin grin grin


But out of God's enemies David has developed some habits that draws God to him and show him mercy.
Uriah and the wife are God's enemies who in Uriah's case had developed bad habits going to war on behalf of Israel as commanded by God and that of Bathsheba for bathsebathing outside to seduce King David who had some habits that draws him close to God.


These are the nonsense you sell we expose as fraud and refuse to buy or sell on your behalf paapaa.
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by achorladey: 3:41pm On Sep 13, 2023
Emusan:
That's why I said an innocent person can't be GOD'S ENEMY.

Are you innocent NOW?



Irrelevant!

Stop telling stories.



Bible says Babies are INNOCENT not me.

So Babies are not God's enemies. cheesy grin cheesy grin
He needs to peddle the stories to cover the lies but the stories sef na serious lies and manipulations grin grin
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Emusan(m): 3:52pm On Sep 13, 2023
achorladey:
He needs to peddle the stories to cover the lies but the stories sef na serious lies and manipulations grin grin
And there was a caught cheesy grin cheesy grin
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:59pm On Sep 13, 2023
Emusan:
The Bible says specifically that BABIES ARE INNOCENT. Jesus admonished His disciples to BE LIKE BABIES. Your organisation described INNOCENT as being PURE, BLAMELESS e.t.c
An INNOCENT PERSON can't be God's Enemy.
Even in human court, INNOCENCE never consider Gov enemies. No! He knows taking cares of Babies demand ALOT. Even human knows this unless people like you.
This is human thought not the way God thinks! Isaiah 55:8-9
Innocence according to the Bible means one who is guiltless regarding atrocities committed by humans but a sinner means someone who has inherited blemish from Adam.

So it's two different things.

All humans whether old or babies are sinners {Romans 3:23} so all of us must taste death which is upon all the enemies of God {Romans 5:12} friends of God supposed not to die that's why God keeps the names of some among dead humans in His memory book. People like Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job and many others whose names were written in the Bible book of Hebrews 11:4-34 as those to be remembered for making themselves God's friends out of all the enemies of God. But as for the rest whether old or young or babies they are still God's enemies until they're able to prove themselves that's why God instructed the Israelites to give their children the opportunity to prove themselves by teaching them God's laws {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} when a child shows love for God's laws the child is building a relationship with God but when a child hasn't done that he or she remains God's enemies that's why such ones are killed in the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, Amalek and so on. smiley
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:07pm On Sep 13, 2023
Emusan:
That's why I said an innocent person can't be GOD'S ENEMY.
Are you innocent NOW?
This is where you missed it!
I'm not INNOCENT just like Moses, David, Peter and many others aren't innocent but we are trying to build a relationship with God. So even though we fall into wrongdoing several times due to imperfection we are repentant and God will lift us up because we have surrendered to do His will. Proverbs 24:16
Emusan:
Irrelevant!
Stop telling stories.
Bible says Babies are INNOCENT not me.
So Babies are not God's enemies. cheesy grin cheesy grin
There you go again!
You asked questions but you don't want to get the explanation from the heart of the one you are asking you just want to push your opinion and expect us to agree.
Ọmọ it's not done like that! smiley
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by achorladey:
MaxInDHouse:
This is human thought not the way God thinks! Isaiah 55:8-9
Innocence according to the Bible means one who is guiltless regarding atrocities committed by humans but a sinner means someone who has inherited blemish from Adam.

So it's two different things.

All humans whether old or babies are sinners {Romans 3:23} so all of us must taste death which is upon all the enemies of God {Romans 5:12} friends of God supposed not to die that's why God keeps the names of some among dead humans in His memory book. People like Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job and many others whose names were written in the Bible book of Hebrews 11:4-34 as those to be remembered for making themselves God's friends out of all the enemies of God. But as for the rest whether old or young or babies they are still God's enemies until they're able to prove themselves that's why God instructed the Israelites to give their children the opportunity to prove themselves by teaching them God's laws {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} when a child shows love for God's laws the child is building a relationship with God but when a child hasn't done that he or she remains God's enemies that's why such ones are killed in the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, Amalek and so on. smiley
This is human thought not the way God thinks! Isaiah 55:8-9
After over 40 pages on this thread he came back to Isaiah 55:8 9 grin grin

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.


Insanities and madness peddling can't end in the nearest future. Cornelboy come and see your brother in Jehovah grin grin grin


Your lies and manipulations will be the criteria used to show how God thinks and God's way of doing things grin grin grin
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by achorladey: 6:07pm On Sep 13, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
This is where you missed it!
I'm not INNOCENT just like Moses, David, Peter and many others aren't innocent but we are trying to build a relationship with God. So even though we fall into wrongdoing several times due to imperfection we are repentant and God will lift us up because we have surrendered to do His will. Proverbs 24:16

There you go again!
You asked questions but you don't want to get the explanation from the heart of the one you are asking you just want to push your opinion and expect us to agree.
Ọmọ it's not done like that! smiley
When caught in their lies and folly, they seek to save face.

Awon babies are enemies of God peddling peddler grin grin grin angry
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Emusan(m): 7:06pm On Sep 13, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
This is human thought not the way God thinks! Isaiah 55:8-9
So what your organisation says is human thought. That's wonderful.

Innocence according to the Bible means one who is guiltless regarding atrocities committed by humans
So you agree that Babies are INNOCENT, right?

but a sinner means someone who has inherited blemish from Adam.
Can you support the @bold with Bible verse?

So it's two different things.
So you agree that Babies are INNOCENT.

All humans whether old or babies are sinners {Romans 3:23} so all of us must taste death which is upon all the enemies of God {Romans 5:12}
I've explained this part. So don't take us back.

friends of God supposed not to die that's why God keeps the names of some among dead humans in His memory book. People like Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job and many others whose names were written in the Bible book of Hebrews 11:4-34 as those to be remembered for making themselves God's friends out of all the enemies of God. But as for the rest whether old or young or babies they are still God's enemies until they're able to prove themselves that's why God instructed the Israelites to give their children the opportunity to prove themselves by teaching them God's laws {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} when a child shows love for God's laws the child is building a relationship with God but when a child hasn't done that he or she remains God's enemies that's why such ones are killed in the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, Amalek and so on. smiley
Story story cheesy grin cheesy grin

Babies are INNOCENT according to the Bible.

True or false?
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Emusan(m): 7:11pm On Sep 13, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
This is where you missed it!
I'm not INNOCENT just like Moses, David, Peter and many others aren't innocent but we are trying to build a relationship with God. So even though we fall into wrongdoing several times due to imperfection we are repentant and God will lift us up because we have surrendered to do His will. Proverbs 24:16
So you're not INNOCENT yet you disagree with the scripture that DECLARED BABIES AS INNOCENT.

There you go again!
You asked questions but you don't want to get the explanation from the heart of the one you are asking you just want to push your opinion and expect us to agree.
Ọmọ it's not done like that! smiley
My question is simple Yes or No!

You know if you're trying to peddle your lies and twisting by those long meaningless story. grin cheesy cheesy grin
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by cornelboy(f): 7:22pm On Sep 13, 2023
Emusan:
Yes

So it's wailers you're going out to meet on house to house cheesy grin cheesy

@underlined is the key point.

MaxinDhouse, Janosky, Cornelboy take note.

Breeze don blow fowl something don dey open

cc @Achorladey

cheesy grin cheesy

You already agreed that THEY ARE COMPLETELY INNOCENT.

So can an INNOCENT person be God's enemy?

So if they didn't GROW UP and DIE, are they still COMPLETELY INNOCENT?

cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy

I love this!

This is not the POV.

Stay in your lane cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy
The moment anybody step into this world, he's a sinner and God's enemy.
We automatically inherited that from Adam.
You can keep crying all you want undecided undecided

Babies can't think nor have the ability to choose between right and wrong. They don't have memory, they are probably blank. They don't have the ability to plan and carry out evil. That's why Paul taught that they should be innocent like babies who can't devise evil.

If Jesus comes back today, the wicked along with their babies would be destroyed again.
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by achorladey: 7:34pm On Sep 13, 2023
cornelboy:
The moment anybody step into this world, he's a sinner and God's enemy.
We automatically inherited that from Adam.
You can keep crying all you want undecided undecided

Babies can't think nor have the ability to choose between right and wrong. They don't have memory, they are probably blank. They don't have the ability to plan and carry out evil. That's why Paul taught that they should be innocent like babies who can't devise evil.

If Jesus comes back today, the wicked along with their babies would be destroyed again.
You want to start another round of contradictions after babies are completely innocent. The goose don dey cooked already grin grin grin
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Emusan(m): 7:41pm On Sep 13, 2023
cornelboy:
The moment anybody step into this world, he's a sinner and God's enemy.
Does this include Jesus?

We automatically inherited that from Adam.
No! We only INHERITED A NATURE that is PRONE to SIN.

You can keep crying all you want undecided undecided
Don't take it personal, I know you people cry behind when you see people challenging your gods in Warwick.

Babies can't think nor have the ability to choose between right and wrong. They don't have memory, they are probably blank. They don't have the ability to plan and carry out evil. That's why Paul taught that they should be innocent like babies who can't devise evil.
Now you know this yet you go against scripture to agree that Babies are God's enemies.

If Jesus comes back today, the wicked along with their babies would be destroyed again.
I thought Jesus had come, which Jesus coming again?

So JWs babies who are also God's enemies won't be destroyed, we all know where this twisting, peddling and manipulation of the scripture is heading to thou cheesy grin grin grin
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by Emusan(m): 7:43pm On Sep 13, 2023
achorladey:
You want to start another round of contradictions after babies are completely innocent. The goose don dey cooked already grin grin grin
They have no shame!

I don't know how someone will agree that Babies are COMPLETELY INNOCENT yet still claiming they are God's enemies.

The most deluded among them even wanted to change the meaning of INNOCENT not until his lie was bursted with his own organisation definition. grin cheesy grin
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by achorladey: 8:00pm On Sep 13, 2023
Emusan:
They have no shame!

I don't know how someone will agree that Babies are COMPLETELY INNOCENT yet still claiming they are God's enemies.

The most deluded among them even wanted to change the meaning of INNOCENT not until his lie was bursted with his own organisation definition. grin cheesy grin
He wants to start marketing God's ways and thought based on lies and manipulations grin grin grin
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by advocatejare(op): 8:19pm On Sep 13, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
What is the name of your God?
What is the name of your Church?
Answer then i will consider you but until then nothing for you! wink
Coward army deserter MaxInDHouse

Who founded the JW organization: Jesus or Jehovah because you people are not consistent!

Show where that is written in the Bible that Jesus or Jehovah found a religion


Show where the name of the religion Jesus/Jehovah founded was called Jehovah’s Witness Organization in the Bible


You claimed that Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell: how much did Russell sell it to Jesus for, in what currency, cash or transfer, the document signed and who are those that witnessed the transaction, at what date?
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:23pm On Sep 13, 2023
Emusan:
So what your organisation says is human thought. That's wonderful. So you agree that Babies are INNOCENT, right? Can you support the @bold with Bible verse? So you agree that Babies are INNOCENT. I've explained this part. So don't take us back. Story story cheesy grin cheesy grin
Babies are INNOCENT according to the Bible.
True or false?
Not only babies but those who don't partake in doing what is evil but that's not what saves rather it's partaking in the doing of God's will.
So innocence doesn't save anyone from death when God's wrath is coming o rather it's doing God's will that saves. That's why babies aren't God's friends because even though they don't partake in doing evil they have not chosen to do God's will either! smiley
Re: Who Is The Founder Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:29pm On Sep 13, 2023
Emusan:
So you're not INNOCENT yet you disagree with the scripture that DECLARED BABIES AS INNOCENT.
My question is simple Yes or No!
You know if you're trying to peddle your lies and twisting by those long meaningless story. grin cheesy cheesy grin
Honest hearted and sincere individuals needs to know why God destroyed innocent babies in Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho, Amalek and Jerusalem in 607 BCE.

So after telling you i'm not innocent then you need to know why God still love and save those who aren't innocent like David! wink
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