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Emusan:
Now that you agreed with this, this is also Watchtower understanding about THE DEFINITION OF INNOCENT.

Scripture says Babies are INNOCENT 1 Corin 14:20

According to Watchtower innocent means PURE, BLAMELESS e.t.c

ENGLISH Dictionary also defines INNOCENT as SINLESS.

You also agreed that BABIES ARE INNOCENT.

So is INNOCENT= SINLESS?

OR do you want to change your stand that Babies are not INNOCENT again?



He has rope himself.



Babies are INNOCENT and since you agreed that to be sinless is to be PURE, SPOTLESS (BLAMELESS) then Yes! Babies are sinless.

See this ode trying to put me in his shoes

Ok, lemme Bring it down to your small understanding

Are babies born perfect or sinners?
Yes or No?

Aemmyjah:
See this ode trying to put me in his shoes

Ok, lemme Bring it down to your small understanding

Are babies born perfect or sinners?
Yes or No?

Ọmọ you want to drain his brain o.

He doesn't know that sinless means perfect o!

Emusan:
Lying liar!

I've used that word INNOCENT as what Bible says before you even think of joining with COMPLETELY INNOCENT

Babies are innocent and completely innocent
They are naive and can't do anything as they don't have this self consciousness of themselves and others and environment. They only suck and sleep and are totally dependant on others


Are babies born perfect (sinless) or imperfect (sinners)

MaxInDHouse:
So what is the meaning of that statement?

This is how your own translation puts it "Look! I was born guilty of error, And my mother conceived me in sin."

And in explaining original sin, Watchtower asked this question, how does original sin affect us?

Here is the answer, "Adam and Eve passed on their sinful condition to all their descendants. This is similar to the way human parents pass on genetic defects. (Romans 5:12) Thus, all humans have been born “in sin,” meaning that we are born imperfect and inclined toward error. —Psalm 51:5; Ephesians 2:3.

Perhaps you need to meditate on the whole chapter of Psalms 51 to grasp that David was talking about his own sin so how does that relate to his conception if it has nothing to do with David being a sinner o?

No! David was talking about HIS CONCEPTION, babies in the womb don't know anything about God's laws talk less of breaking it and breaking God's laws make us His enemies.

The 3 pix attached from Watchtower is what I've been telling you people since yet arguing blindly when your own leaders said the same.


Bible study 101.

Aemmyjah:
See this ode trying to put me in his shoes

The only ode here is the person invading question which shows how stupid he is.

Ok, lemme Bring it down to your small understanding

Are babies born perfect or sinners?
Yes or No?

I've answered your question,

I asked you another one, answer that first before you switch gear

Oponu

Aemmyjah:
Babies are innocent and completely innocent

So if you agree with this, then why are you contradicting yourself about SINLESS?

To be innocent is to be PURE, BLAMELESS, SPOTLESS.

You even add COMPLETELY INNOCENT.

They are naive and can't do anything as they don't have this self consciousness of themselves and others and environment.

Good! So why are they enemies of God when they can't break God's law?

They only suck and sleep and are totally dependant on others

Everyone knows this Mr

Are babies born perfect (sinless) or imperfect (sinners)

All human are born with A FRAIL NATURE (which many people called ORIGINAL SIN) which makes us to BREAK GOD'S LAWS.

Breaking God's laws makes us God's enemies in which BABIES don't have ability to do.

Do you understand?

Emusan:
breaking God's laws make us His enemies.

So which of God's laws did babies in Noah's day, Sodom and Gomorrah, Amalek and Jericho broke that warrant their destruction?

Let me add this!

Sinless regards to Jesus is that Jesus was not Born with that NATURE that exposed us to SIN.

We're all born with that SINFUL NATURE not that WE ARE ALREADY COMMITTED ANY SIN, so when Jesus faced many things that we also faced His Nature didn't ALLOW HIM to yield to it unlike us that can easily succumb to it.

Sin is our action, feeling and emotion against God's standard.

Which ALL BABIES don't capable of.

In fact, Watchtower made it clear in explanation of that "How original sin can affect us" by saying "We also suffer the consequences of our own errors and those of others.—Ecclesiastes 8:9; James 3:2.

So the reason why Babies are destroyed in Noah's day, Sodom and Gomarrah e.t.c is the consequences of their parents errors as God says in Deu 5:9.

Or in another perspective, God knows caring for babies is a lot of task so Noah & Lot can't cater for thousand of babies at ones.

MaxInDHouse:
So which of God's laws did babies in Noah's day, Sodom and Gomorrah, Amalek and Jericho broke that warrant their destruction?

I attached pic from your own Watchtower.

Or better read above my new post.

Emusan:
I attached pic from your own Watchtower.
Or better read above my new post.

Which sin did babies destroyed in Noah's day, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho, and Amalek break nah?

MaxInDHouse:
Which sin did babies destroyed in Noah's day, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho, and Amalek break nah?

Is there above!

I know you're enjoying the Bible study but you don't have mind to come out openly.

Emusan:
Is there above!
I know you're enjoying the Bible study but you don't have mind to come out openly.

There are so many laws given to the Israelites please which of those laws was broken by the babies destroyed in Noah's day, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho and Amalek?

MaxInDHouse:
There are so many laws given to the Israelites please which of those laws was broken by the babies destroyed in Noah's day, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho and Amalek?

Babies can't break God's law.

Do you want me to use hammer to force it into your dull skull?

Besides, Noah and Lot aren't an Israelite.

Emusan:
Babies can't break God's law.

So why did God destroy them if they're not sinners? Romans 6:23

MaxInDHouse:
So why did God destroy them if they're not sinners? Romans 6:23

Despite the fact that I provided your own organisation magazine.

This shows that you don't read what someone post.

In fact, Watchtower made it clear in explanation of that "How original sin can affect us" by saying "We also suffer the consequences of our own errors and those of others. —Ecclesiastes 8:9; James 3:2.

Add Deu 5:9 to it.

Emusan:
Let me add this!

Sinless regards to Jesus is that Jesus was not Born with that NATURE that exposed us to SIN.

We're all born with that SINFUL NATURE not that WE ARE ALREADY COMMITTED ANY SIN, so when Jesus faced many things that we also faced His Nature didn't ALLOW HIM to yield to it unlike us that can easily succumb to it.

Sin is our action, feeling and emotion against God's standard.

Which ALL BABIES don't capable of.

In fact, Watchtower made it clear in explanation of that "How original sin can affect us" by saying "We also suffer the consequences of our own errors and those of others.—Ecclesiastes 8:9; James 3:2.

So the reason why Babies are destroyed in Noah's day, Sodom and Gomarrah e.t.c is the consequences of their parents errors as God says in Deu 5:9.

Or in another perspective, God knows caring for babies is a lot of task so Noah & Lot can't cater for thousand of babies at ones.

I just love how you are using their own publications to show their stupidity. You who is not a JW knows their publication like the back of your hand much more than them, which really disgraces them and makes them look really stupid in public.

The good thing about Watchtower publications is you can use them as a weapon against them. They say one thing in year 2000, they will say another thing that contradicts them in year 2002, they will then go back to the previous thing in 2000 again and they go round and round and round. Na JWs stupid pass for taking their statements seriously. Look at a good example of this in the pic below. They say Jesus is an Angel. But they also said God never sent an angel to rescue Mankind. Who takes such a Joker of a religion serious? Only Brainless Idiots! 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

Emusan:
"We also suffer the consequences of our own errors and those of others.

Does that makes Abraham a liar?

He said it's unthinkable of his God to destroy the righteous along with the wicked! Genesis 18:25

So are you saying your so called sinless babies were slaughtered because of the consequences of the sin committed by others?

MaxInDHouse:
Does that makes Abraham a liar?

Do you agree with your organisation first?

He said it's unthinkable of his God to destroy the righteous along with the wicked! Genesis 18:25

But God is not a liar when He said He will visit the iniquity of the parents on their children even unto the fourth generation.

So are you saying your so called sinless babies were slaughtered because of the consequences of others?

Your organisation said WE CAN SUFFER FROM THE CONSEQUENCES OF OTHERS.

God says He can visit the INIQUITY OF THE PARENTS on their children.

The fact is that Babies are INNOCENT and can't break God's laws.

Emusan:
Do you agree with your organisation first?
But God is not a liar when He said He will visit the iniquity of the parents on their children even unto the fourth generation.
Your organisation said WE CAN SUFFER FROM THE CONSEQUENCES OF OTHERS.
God says He can visit the INIQUITY OF THE PARENTS on their children.
The fact is that Babies are INNOCENT and can't break God's laws.

So children born by God's enemies are also God's enemies. YES or NO?

MaxInDHouse:
So children born by God's enemies are also God's enemies. YES or NO?

That's not an issue, stop jumping like kangaroo

I have bursted all your lies!

Emusan:
That's not an issue, stop jumping like kangaroo
I have bursted all your lies!

Funny churchgoer.

If God says the descendants of His enemies will be treated like their parents.

Are such babies God's enemies?

Emusan:
All human are born with A FRAIL NATURE (which many people called ORIGINAL SIN) which makes us to BREAK GOD'S LAWS.

To you, what is the name of that frail nature that 'all humans are born with'
Does that nature endear us to him (as friends) or alienates us from him (as enemies)

You're just blind and ignorant
Should MaxInDHouse read the portion of the Bible of Jehovah's arrangement on sin offerings by Israelite women after birth? What is the purpose such offerings on their behalf?

De play

Emusan:
The only ode here is the person invading question which shows how stupid he is.



I've answered your question,

I asked you another one, answer that first before you switch gear

Oponu

Answer my question before you dodge mine with another stupid question

It's a Yes or no question

Are babies sinners /imperfect or perfect /sinless?

Aemmyjah:
Answer my question before you dodge mine with another stupid question

If you're not stupid then you should know I didn't ask you question but just telling your dull skull to answer mine first.

It's a Yes or no question

Are babies sinners /imperfect or perfect /sinless?

Mine is also a yes or no question.

Aemmyjah:
Answer my question before you dodge mine with another stupid question
It's a Yes or no question
Are babies sinners /imperfect or perfect /sinless?

The stupid churchgoer said he agreed with the organization stand on what God will do to evildoers and their yet unborn generations.

The simple question now is:

Are babies born to God's enemies also enemies of God?

MaxInDHouse:
Funny churchgoer.

Empty hallgoer

If God says the descendants of His enemies will be treated like their parents.

Are such babies God's enemies?

The point your gods in Warwick raised was that ALL BABIES ARE GOD'S ENEMIES.

Even your deluded brother accepted that HIS CHILDREN ARE GOD'S ENEMIES.

After I bursted all your lies, next thing is to be dancing around naked

Aemmyjah:
To you, what is the name of that frail nature that 'all humans are born with'

It's called ORIGINAL SIN.

Does that nature endear us to him (as friends) or alienates us from him (as enemies)

Babies know none of this so the scripture says THEY ARE INNOCENT.

You're just blind and ignorant
Should MaxInDHouse read the portion of the Bible of Jehovah's arrangement on sin offerings by Israelite women after birth? What is the purpose such offerings on their behalf?

De play

You people can keep deflecting the real issue is that Babies are INNOCENT according to the scripture.

Emusan:
Empty hallgoer
The point your gods in Warwick raised was that ALL BABIES ARE GOD'S ENEMIES.
Even your deluded brother accepted that HIS CHILDREN ARE GOD'S ENEMIES.
After I bursted all your lies, next thing is to be dancing around naked

That's the believe of all Jehovah's Witnesses right from ancient Israel till today!

All babies are God's enemies!

That's why Israelites won't name their child until the eighth day when they circumcise them.
That's why they strive to inculcate God's laws in the minds of those little devils so they can make peace with God.
Whether you like it or not the Bible and God's people stand on that note saying:

All babies are God's enemies until they're taught God's laws and they embrace it! 2Timothy 3:15

Emusan:
If you're not stupid then you should know I didn't ask you question but just telling your dull skull to answer mine first.



Mine is also a yes or no question.

I answered one question already when you said I should answer before I ask you
Keep dodging
Our attention is making you relevant here

We address different kinds of people here on this thread
You're desperate for attention

You said humans are born sinners
Being born begins at birth right?
So they were sinners from birth

As they grow and gain self consciousness of themselves and others and environment. They make choices as to what they think is good and bad and must build up merit towards God based on knowledge, making them God's friend.

Jehovah even made arrangements for sin offerings, regarding newborns... Are babies aware of such offering, who accept them and why or whether they are sinners? No. It is because they are completely innocent or ignorant (naive) as to knowledge of what sin is...

Olodo is arguing on the dictionary meaning of sin and innocent... Sin is a religious term

Emusan:
It's called ORIGINAL SIN.



Babies know none of this so the scripture says THEY ARE INNOCENT.



You people can keep deflecting the real issue is that Babies are INNOCENT according to the scripture.

You said humans are born in that frail nature which you called ORIGINAL SIN

At what stage are humans born on this frail nature? Conception or when they have grown?


It was not their fault or their own doing. Our first parents subjected us into it nd gave us as an inheritance... You may thank them for that

Aemmyjah:
You said humans are born in that frail nature which you called ORIGINAL SIN

At what stage are humans born on this frail nature? Conception or when they have grown?


It was not their fault or their own doing. Our first parents subjected us into it nd gave us as an inheritance... You may thank them for that

Ọmọ it's clear to him now that JWs have the truth on that matter he just want to change the topic now into exchange of hurtful words!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ it's clear to him now that JWs have the truth on that matter he just want to change the topic now into exchange of hurtful words!

He won't humble himself accept truth
As long as they are from us, he will not accept