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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 10:06am On Sep 19, 2023
main24:
ChristoBam; I feel the same way.
Rashford's decision making is killing me but the question is who can even put up a good performance than him with this current squad?

You remember when ETH benched Cr7 because he was performing badly, all hell broke loose online. lol

eph12; Garnacho has shown to play better coming from the bench; if Rashford is benched, who will be your preferred replacement?
Rotate the players. Why can't Rashford come in from the bench in some games? He is worse coming from the bench?

All hell broke loose because it wasn't about the performance but power play. He wanted to be the biggest person in the room and that's fine. If it was about performance, Rashford would have been benched by now.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 10:16am On Sep 19, 2023
Leyqute:


Personally, I’m starting to think that Rashford instructed to conserve his energy and be our main outlet for goals. That’s why he rarely pressed or defended and had the most chances for United.

Rashford had like six shots or eight versus Brighton and Hojlund had zero. Zilch. Odo. He didn’t get any service, or any that he connected with. The only one he connected with turned into a goal, but Rashford delayed the pass too long and it was out of play. It was even as a last resort because he’d played his normal rubbish.

I think ETH has to put Rashford in his place. He should stop pressuring himself to score. Everyone must work hard, create chances for others, and score goals when in the right positions.

The Rashford favoritism should end. “Gernacho” has better decision making most times. If Rashford is off ona particular day, Genarcho grin should come in and create chances, etc.

Cc: Christobam
If that's the instruction from the coach, then we have a bigger problem. That's not progressive football and our attack will struggle. Yes Rashford may end up with 20+ goals, but like last season we will score one of the lowest number of goals. While Rashford is getting some accolades in the media, the team will be struggling with goal difference
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by main24(m): 10:44am On Sep 19, 2023
Leyqute:


Personally, I’m starting to think that Rashford instructed to conserve his energy and be our main outlet for goals. That’s why he rarely pressed or defended and had the most chances for United.

Rashford had like six shots or eight versus Brighton and Hojlund had zero. Zilch. Odo. He didn’t get any service, or any that he connected with. The only one he connected with turned into a goal, but Rashford delayed the pass too long and it was out of play. It was even as a last resort because he’d played his normal rubbish.

I think ETH has to put Rashford in his place. He should stop pressuring himself to score. Everyone must work hard, create chances for others, and score goals when in the right positions.

The Rashford favoritism should end. “Gernacho” has better decision making most times. If Rashford is off ona particular day, Genarcho grin should come in and create chances, etc.

Cc: Christobam

Good stuff. I feel same way too.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Trevor012(m): 10:44am On Sep 19, 2023
Captain Fraudnandes that played nonsense still dey confront Mctominay 😂.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by main24(m): 10:47am On Sep 19, 2023
eph12:

[b]Rotate the players. Why can't Rashford come in from the bench in some games? [/b]He is worse coming from the bench?

All hell broke loose because it wasn't about the performance but power play. He wanted to be the biggest person in the room and that's fine. If it was about performance, Rashford would have been benched by now.

You've still not named anyone to start ahead of Rashford yet eph12 smiley
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by main24(m): 10:53am On Sep 19, 2023
eph12:

If that's the instruction from the coach, then we have a bigger problem. That's not progressive football and our attack will struggle. Yes Rashford may end up with 20+ goals, but like last season we will score one of the lowest number of goals. While Rashford is getting some accolades in the media, the team will be struggling with goal difference

I think that is why ETH always has one player running around the field,...Weghorst, now Mount. cheesy

Well let's see how he progresses from here.
That being said, our last match's performance was way better than previous games this season. ETH should continue tweaking his team.
We wait cool.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 11:12am On Sep 19, 2023
Leyqute:


Personally, I’m starting to think that Rashford instructed to conserve his energy and be our main outlet for goals. That’s why he rarely pressed or defended and had the most chances for United.

Rashford had like six shots or eight versus Brighton and Hojlund had zero. Zilch. Odo. He didn’t get any service, or any that he connected with. The only one he connected with turned into a goal, but Rashford delayed the pass too long and it was out of play. It was even as a last resort because he’d played his normal rubbish.

I think ETH has to put Rashford in his place. He should stop pressuring himself to score. Everyone must work hard, create chances for others, and score goals when in the right positions.

The Rashford favoritism should end. “Gernacho” has better decision making most times. If Rashford is off ona particular day, Genarcho grin should come in and create chances, etc.

Cc: Christobam

If the bolded is true then ETH must be using Sapele water to brush his teeth. You want to be a pressing team and still carry a passenger in attack. The front 3-4 pressers are key and if anyone of them is slacking off then the whole press will be rendered useless.

The number of times Rashford wrecked our press by just strolling in that Brighton game was crazy. I watched him wreck press after press, and in my opinion that was a show of indiscipline. Not all indiscipline is coming late to practice or slapping your coach in the face. And if it was ETH's plan for Rashford to be strolling around like an omo onile instead of pressing then ETH himself don craze.

It is either ETH is mad or Rashford showed gross indiscipline. However, because this was his first really bad game, i would still not bench Rashy immediately, and also because of the lack of options. I would expect ETH to go through game tape with him, correct him, and start him against Bayern. He would have a shorter rope though, and if he starts messing up again you take him off by min 55-60 and put Garnacho in (which is what ETH should have done against Brighton).

Talking about Garnacho, he has not had a single good performance from preseason till now. Hopefully, it is due to his preseason being disrupted by injury, because the other reason might be that he slacked off cos he believes he is a star.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 11:16am On Sep 19, 2023
eph12:

If that's the instruction from the coach, then we have a bigger problem. That's not progressive football and our attack will struggle. Yes Rashford may end up with 20+ goals, but like last season we will score one of the lowest number of goals. While Rashford is getting some accolades in the media, the team will be struggling with goal difference

ETH is good but e get where e good reach. Some in-game decisions he make are suspect. And this usage of Rashford is crap.

Salah, Saka, Graelish and other wingers in top teams were not given preferential treatment. They all work hard and create chances for their teammates. And guess what, this doesn't impede their decisions making or mar their performance.

ETH has to give himself brain. Giving preferential treatment to certain players harms team harmony when those players start misbehaving.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 11:19am On Sep 19, 2023
main24:


Good stuff. I feel same way too.

It's a stvpid mentality.

His lame defensive output harms the whole team. Brighton's first goal was a result of his lackadaisical attitude towards marking the opponent. We'll keep on suffering till that shitt changes.

Players like Sancho would say ' why would I press when Rashford doesn't press and gets away with it?'

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 11:23am On Sep 19, 2023
main24:


Good stuff. I feel same way too.

It is system certain to fail. You can't be a pressing team and have one of your forward players stroll around, not with GKs that are such good passers and so many teams well drilled in beating the press. If you want to have a stroller in your attack it is better you pack the bus like under Jose or sit deep and hit on the counter like under Ole.

What i am seeing are strategic flaws in ETH's planning. Even the way we press is ineffective. Apart from Rashy strolling around and being a minus one, we also usually press with only 3 or 4 players (minus Rashy makes it 2 or 3 effective pressers). If you watch the great pressing teams like Flick's Bayern, Man City, Liverpool, they usually press with 5 or sometimes even 6.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Lana1(m): 11:41am On Sep 19, 2023
CrystalTiger:
We could have been level if Rashford had found Holjund after Holjund gave him a nice pass and made a nice run.. Holjund even slide sef join, mtchew..

Don't know if Lana1 fit do that GIF..
Send me a link to the video
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 11:42am On Sep 19, 2023
main24:


You've still not named anyone to start ahead of Rashford yet eph12 smiley
Garnacho. dem forbid Rashford to come in from the bench or its reserved for some others?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 11:43am On Sep 19, 2023
afrodoc2:


If the bolded is true then ETH must be using Sapele water to brush his teeth. You want to be a pressing team and still carry a passenger in attack. The front 3-4 pressers are key and if anyone of them is slacking off then the whole press will be rendered useless.

The number of times Rashford wrecked our press by just strolling in that Brighton game was crazy. I watched him wreck press after press, and in my opinion that was a show of indiscipline. Not all indiscipline is coming late to practice or slapping your coach in the face. And if it was ETH's plan for Rashford to be strolling around like an omo onile instead of pressing then ETH himself don craze.

It is either ETH is mad or Rashford showed gross indiscipline. However, because this was his first really bad game, i would still not bench Rashy immediately, and also because of the lack of options. I would expect ETH to go through game tape with him, correct him, and start him against Bayern. He would have a shorter rope though, and if he starts messing up again you take him off by min 55-60 and put Garnacho in (which is what ETH should have done against Brighton).

Talking about Garnacho, he has not had a single good performance from preseason till now. Hopefully, it is due to his preseason being disrupted by injury, because the other reason might be that he slacked off cos he believes he is a star.

Garnacho had a good game vs Arsenal in preseason. in the first 2 games of the season he made good decisions on the ball as regards team play. He's a better winger for Hojlund than Rashford is.

I understand that there's a lack of options but Garnacho should be coming on when Rashford is stinking up the joint. ETH can then remove Rashford or push him to form a 2-man striker system with the main striker.

We haven't seen Garnacho on the pitch since Tottenham. Then ETH brought him on vs Brighton for the last 5 mins. To come and do what?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 11:48am On Sep 19, 2023
main24:


I think that is why ETH always has one player running around the field,...Weghorst, now Mount. cheesy

Well let's see how he progresses from here.
That being said, our last match's performance was way better than previous games this season. ETH should continue tweaking his team.
We wait cool.
LOL slave running around, while King Rashford strolls around. Even when we had JSP, Fletcher and co doing this, you can see the work rate from the rest of the team.

It may even work if we had a good functioning team. We don't have that yet and we expect everyone to put in a shift until we get to that level.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 11:50am On Sep 19, 2023
afrodoc2:


It is system certain to fail. You can't be a pressing team and have one of your forward players stroll around, not with GKs that are such good passers and so many teams well drilled in beating the press. If you want to have a stroller in your attack it is better you pack the bus like under Jose or sit deep and hit on the counter like under Ole.

What i am seeing are strategic flaws in ETH's planning. Even the way we press is ineffective. Apart from Rashy strolling around and being a minus one, we also usually press with only 3 or 4 players (minus Rashy makes it 2 or 3 effective pressers). If you watch the great pressing teams like Flick's Bayern, Man City, Liverpool, they usually press with 5 or sometimes even 6.

Apart from Rashford, there's also Eriksen who isn't athletic.

That midfield needs at least one person with a high work rate. Then all forwards should press as a unit. If not, we'll continue to suffer.

Apart from that, the selfishness and self-centerdness of our attackers needs to be addressed. Bruno is the only one who thinks to create chances. The others, Rashy and Antonia, are notoriously known to only want to shoot.

It's why we score less goals than other top teams.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 11:53am On Sep 19, 2023
Leyqute:


Garnacho had a good game vs Arsenal in preseason. in the first 2 games of the season he made good decisions on the ball as regards team play. He's a better winger for Hojlund than Rashford is.

I understand that there's a lack of options but Garnacho should be coming on when Rashford is stinking up the joint. ETH can then remove Rashford or push him to form a 2-man striker system with the main striker.

We haven't seen Garnacho on the pitch since Tottenham. Then ETH brought him on vs Brighton for the last 5 mins. To come and do what?


To be honest i can't remember Garnacho having any good games, but you may be right. One mistake ETH made was keeping Rashford on until the end when it obviously wasn't his day. I really wonder what message that sends out to the other players. He should hve the Bayern game as his last chance salon, and if he flops again then someone else should be given a run of games on that LW. A more team-oriented player, be it Garnacho or Pellistri.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 11:53am On Sep 19, 2023
Leyqute:


ETH is good but e get where e good reach. Some in-game decisions he make are suspect. And this usage of Rashford is crap.

Salah, Saka, Graelish and other wingers in top teams were not given preferential treatment. They all work hard and create chances for their teammates. And guess what, this doesn't impede their decisions making or mar their performance.

ETH has to give himself brain. Giving preferential treatment to certain players harms team harmony when those players start misbehaving.
I used to think coaches and players analyze their performance after every game, especially when everything goes wrong. But I doubt ETH does this. Many times last season, those players and coach will offer apologies and whatever after a bad game only for them to do the very same thing the next game. You wonder if they actually look at their performances collectively as a team and individually
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 11:56am On Sep 19, 2023
Afrodoc2

Kobbie Mainoo is back on the grass.

Maybe we'll see him in action next month. I'd prefer we ease that lad in and not rely too heavily on him.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 12:16pm On Sep 19, 2023
Leyqute:
Afrodoc2

Kobbie Mainoo is back on the grass.

Maybe we'll see him in action next month. I'd prefer we ease that lad in and not rely too heavily on him.

King Kobbie! Nice one. I too like the boy. After Greenwood he is the academy player that i have the most trust in. He is also the only that at every stage i have seen him in (Under-17, Under-18, Under-23, First Team) has had little or no settling in period. He just comes in and starts playing like a chairman. The only time he struggled a bit was when he was played in AM/RW for the Under-18s as a 15yr old. When he came back the next season as a 16yr old 1st scholar he dominated at CM like a boss.

With Casemiro, Amrabat, Eriksen around i don't think we will rush him too much, though if he comes in and displaces all of them i won't be surprised. That is the Mainoo way.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jokerman(m): 12:17pm On Sep 19, 2023
🚨 Manchester United are preparing a bid for Bayern Munich's Serge Gnabry with the club ready to offer around £52m for the 28-year-old.

(Source: Fichajes)
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jokerman(m): 12:25pm On Sep 19, 2023
🚨 | The agency owned by Ten Hag’s agent was involved in multiple #mufc signings this summer:

- Representing Rasmus Højlund during his move from Atalanta.

- Acting for United in negotiations over the loan signing of Sofyan Amrabat from Fiorentina.

- Selling United midfield player Zidane Iqbal to Utrecht in June just two months after the he had joined the agency.

Their growing influence has been noted by other agents unhappy at what they perceive as losing out on potential deals due to the link with Ten Hag.

[@MattHughesDM]
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristoBam: 12:25pm On Sep 19, 2023
patrickmuf:
I can go hard on you if you are averse to being civil, watch it...

In Madrid, they boo the very best because they maintain a high standard...If Rashford is not delivering, he should sit...
If you're not about to stay on point, why quote me then. Please go hard lol. That's my specialty. If asking if you're naive gets you triggered, you probably should avoid arguments on a faceless forum.

And booing our best players is not something we should be emulating. Btw, y'all can boo Rashford all you want whenever he plays bad. He's a senior player and will deal with it. I'll rather that than a young one like Garnacho.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Onkoolos: 12:26pm On Sep 19, 2023
If you know you beat man u last season and this season. Start repenting nw, before it is too late!!!. We are not joking... na bayern Munich go first hear aaam!!!

I want to see the like amrabat and kobbie maino and mount in our midfield!!!. Offload those old cargos that cant pressed away from my team!!!

I kept saying it.... when our injury player is back!!! Team we go hear aaam go no for body!!!

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristoBam: 12:31pm On Sep 19, 2023
Leyqute:


Personally, I’m starting to think that Rashford instructed to conserve his energy and be our main outlet for goals. That’s why he rarely pressed or defended and had the most chances for United.

Rashford had like six shots or eight versus Brighton and Hojlund had zero. Zilch. Odo. He didn’t get any service, or any that he connected with. The only one he connected with turned into a goal, but Rashford delayed the pass too long and it was out of play. It was even as a last resort because he’d played his normal rubbish.

I think ETH has to put Rashford in his place. He should stop pressuring himself to score. Everyone must work hard, create chances for others, and score goals when in the right positions.

The Rashford favoritism should end. “Gernacho” has better decision making most times. If Rashford is off ona particular day, Genarcho grin should come in and create chances, etc.
Cc: Christobam

😂You go tire.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by main24(m): 12:35pm On Sep 19, 2023
eph12:

Garnacho. dem forbid Rashford to come in from the bench or its reserved for some others?

cool.
I feel if ETH starts Garnacho over Rashford, the fans will still eat him raw.

We are just insatiable.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 12:41pm On Sep 19, 2023
main24:


cool.
I feel if ETH starts Garnacho over Rashford, the fans will still eat him raw.

We are just insatiable.
I see what the problem is. The fans. I guess they have placed Rashford in an untouchable position. We shall see
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristoBam: 12:41pm On Sep 19, 2023
Leyqute:


Garnacho had a good game vs Arsenal in preseason. in the first 2 games of the season he made good decisions on the ball as regards team play. He's a better winger for Hojlund than Rashford is.

I understand that there's a lack of options but Garnacho should be coming on when Rashford is stinking up the joint. ETH can then remove Rashford or push him to form a 2-man striker system with the main striker.

We haven't seen Garnacho on the pitch since Tottenham. Then ETH brought him on vs Brighton for the last 5 mins. To come and do what?

Garnacho was terrible the two games he started lol. The reason you said 'as regards team play' is because he started to pass at some point after trying again and again to take on players without any result. They were taking the ball off him like a kid.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristoBam: 12:43pm On Sep 19, 2023
Jokerman:
🚨 | The agency owned by Ten Hag’s agent was involved in multiple #mufc signings this summer:

- Representing Rasmus Højlund during his move from Atalanta.

- Acting for United in negotiations over the loan signing of Sofyan Amrabat from Fiorentina.

- Selling United midfield player Zidane Iqbal to Utrecht in June just two months after the he had joined the agency.

Their growing influence has been noted by other agents unhappy at what they perceive as losing out on potential deals due to the link with Ten Hag.

[@MattHughesDM]

Oh, it's started?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 12:45pm On Sep 19, 2023
ChristoBam:

Garnacho was terrible the two games he started lol. The reason you said 'as regards team play' is because he started to pass at some point after trying again and again to take on players without any result. They were taking the ball off him like a kid.


This is what i remember.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jokerman(m): 12:45pm On Sep 19, 2023
ChristoBam:


Oh, it's started?

Yep... We must all reap what we sow
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 12:46pm On Sep 19, 2023
ChristoBam:


Oh, it's started?

grin

I actually read this somewhere about a month ago. I am not surprised it is being brought up again, now that we are struggling.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by main24(m): 12:49pm On Sep 19, 2023
eph12:

I see what the problem is. The fans. I guess they have placed Rashford in an untouchable position. We shall see

I feel the problem is inadequate players to compete for that role.

Luke shaw started playing like a beast when it looked like Malacia will dethrone him.
Wan Bissaka and Dalot are both fighting for their lives in their position...
Aside those positions, no other position has good players competing for it.
Your brother sancho is nowhere to be found, we could have tried him grin cheesy 🏃‍♂️🏃‍♂️

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