MightySparrow:

Mark 4:11-12
[11]And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
[12]That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

So Jesus prefers saving his disciples to saving other people?

This is discrimination from your God!

AntiChristian:


So Jesus prefers saving his disciples to saving other people?

This is discrimination from your God!

That exactly is the meaning of covenant. It is a call from Him not by sword.

MightySparrow:


That exactly is the meaning of covenant. It is a call from Him not by sword.

Are you calling us to Christianity because we are included in the covenant from the discriminating God?

AntiChristian:


Are you calling us to Christianity because we are included in the covenant from the discriminating God?

A call into the Covenant.

Ephesians 2:12
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, [b]having no hope, [/b]and without God in the world:

MightySparrow:


A call into the Covenant.

Ephesians 2:12
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, [b]having no hope, [/b]and without God in the world:

Na Paul wey no dey the Mark verse you quoted earlier go explain am?

Error 404!

Why does your God discriminate wanting some to be saved and others not to be saved?

AntiChristian:


Na Paul wey no dey the Mark verse you quoted earlier go explain am?

Error 404!

Why does your God discriminate wanting some to be saved and others not to be saved?

That's the meaning of covenant. By the choice of the caller.

Exod.33.19 - And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

We are saying the same thing. His mercy may be extended to you before you die at 100+ if He chooses you a candidate for salvation. He doesn't force you to be saved but purely by His grace.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:


Salvation is by grace and it is a gift. No one merits it.

You must have been hearing Christians saying, ' the works of grace '

Can you see now that salvation is not by force, by sword, by AK-47?

AntiChristian:


You're more ignorant!

Jesus can't save himself.

John 10:17:
"Therefore does my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again."

AntiChristian:

He is not omniscient!

He said it himself truly!

But the Word is Omniscient and Omnipotent and Omnipresent!
John 1:1-5:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."

AntiChristian:


If it's my friend of course taking poison is haram!
But if it's a Christian I will show him Mark 16:17-18, so that we may test if he believes in what he professes!

And these signs will accompany those who believe: In My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not harm them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will be made well.”

You would just tell him Haram and move on!?

You must be very wicked at heart.


Even if your enemy is cooking poisonous mushroom to eat, your humanity should warn him except that by killing them you are actually doing the work of stealing, killing and destruction as assigned by Allah.

Qur'an 2:216
Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth, and ye know not..

Qur'an 9:5
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

How is this different from Armed Robbery?

NairaLTQ:

You would just tell him Haram and move on!?

A Muslim would understand it's forbidden to consume poison when I say it's haram. To harm oneself is haram!

You must be very wicked at heart.

The God wey send his only begotten son to die no dey wicked? Which wickedness is greater than that?

Even if your enemy is cooking poisonous mushroom to eat, your humanity should warn him except that by killing them you are actually doing the work of stealing, killing and destruction as assigned by Allah.

Can you mention the works you and your holy spirit saw me specifically doing in this regards?

Qur'an 2:216
Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth, and ye know not..

What's the context?

I can quote many single Bible verse that are worse!

Numbers 31:17-18

Qur'an 9:5
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

How is this different from Armed Robbery?

It's only you who understand these verses that Muslims haven't been obeying this verse and killing every polytheists!

You're simply ignorant and arrogant!

NairaLTQ:


John 10:17:
"Therefore does my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again."

Na bad father dey kill his only son because of love!

But the Word is Omniscient and Omnipotent and Omnipresent!

No only word na voice! Only God is omniscient and omnipotent! Jesus doesn't know the hour! And by himself he can do nothing!

John 1:1-5:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."

So who defines that "word" in the above verse is Jesus?

They're many "logos" in the new testament but Trinitarians capitalised the few they want to Jesus!

AntiChristian:

Na bad father dey kill his only son because of love!

Only that this Father created death and Life!
Death is a return back to the realm of God.
Too bad you can't understand this!

AntiChristian:

No only word na voice! Only God is omniscient and omnipotent! Jesus doesn't know the hour! And by himself he can do nothing!
So who defines that "word" in the above verse is Jesus?

They're many "logos" in the new testament but Trinitarians capitalised the few they want to Jesus!

John 1:14:
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, ) full of grace and truth."

It pains you that it is as explicit as this

Col 1:15-18:
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."

Heb 1:1-3:
"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, Has in these last days spoken to us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:"

Do you then state that this is a lie?
Śerāphîm and Serpents: A number of passages associate śerāphîm with serpents. As a result of the Israelites’ rebellion in the wilderness the Lord sent “venomous [śerāphîm] snakes among them” (Num. 21:6).* After the people confessed their sin, the Lord ordered Moses “to make a snake [śārāph] and put it up on a pole” (verse . In this last verse the term śārāph refers back to the full phrase “venomous [śeraphîm] snakes.” In Deuteronomy 8:15 the wilderness is described as a “thirsty and waterless land, with its venomous snakes [nāchāš śārāph, literally, “seraph snake”] and scorpions

Seraphs, described as fiery beings with multiple wings, are mentioned in religious texts as celestial entities but are never explicitly referred to as angels

Remember too that you refused to show me verses of the Quran containing Mahr. Was this to hide your ignorance or following faulty argument?

NairaLTQ:

Beings with wings are human!?

I see!

Even in defeat, you keep on struggling the gaggle of death!
Khai!

Explore2xmore:
Do you then state that this is a lie?
Śerāphîm and Serpents: A number of passages associate śerāphîm with serpents. As a result of the Israelites’ rebellion in the wilderness the Lord sent “venomous [śerāphîm] snakes among them” (Num. 21:6).* After the people confessed their sin, the Lord ordered Moses “to make a snake [śārāph] and put it up on a pole” (verse . In this last verse the term śārāph refers back to the full phrase “venomous [śeraphîm] snakes.” In Deuteronomy 8:15 the wilderness is described as a “thirsty and waterless land, with its venomous snakes [nāchāš śārāph, literally, “seraph snake”] and scorpions

Seraphs, described as fiery beings with multiple wings, are mentioned in religious texts as celestial entities but are never explicitly referred to as angels

Remember too that you refused to show me verses of the Quran containing Mahr. Was this to hide your ignorance or following faulty argument?

1. You forget that Islam has the Cherubim copied from the Jews!
In Islam, al-Karubiyyin or al-muqarraboonn refers to the highest angels near to God true or false.

2. Seraphim
a. The Hebrew word for "serpent" or "snake" is "נָחָשׁ" (pronounced as "nachash".

b. The Hebrew word for "venomous" or "poisonous" is "רָע" (pronounced as "rah". This word can be used to describe something that has venom or poison.

So, please show us how seraphims are associated with serpents.

3. Can you show me where I said or claimed that the word "Mahr" is in the Qur'an for I never did.

For your reference since you look dazed highlighted in yellow. Does it say مهر is in the Qur'an?

TenQ:

There are four questions I posted : are you saying that the perfect answer for a question is to ask the questioner the same questions?

My Basis
1. Question 1
The Qur'an 4:24 used the word أُجُورَهُنَّ rather than مهر.
So, I asked you the question:
What is the difference between
أُجُورَهُنَّ and مهر?

2. The Qur'an 4:24 used the word مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ
So, I asked the question
What is مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ ?

The other two questions are straight forward
3. Is it untrue that Qur'an 5:87 is related to Sahih al-Bukhari 5075, Muslim 1404a and subsequently Tafsir by Ibn ‘Abbâs and Ibn Kathir on Qur'an 4:24?

4. Is hadith by Bukhari 5075 and Muslim 1404a Sahih or Daif or Maudu ?

If you had been just brave enough to answer my questions, please you would not be this confused!

Are you ready to answer my questions now?

Indeed you forget at most in a little over 24 hrs.

The name Seraphim:
Meaning
Vipers, Burners
Etymology
From the verb שרף (sarap), to burn.

Śerāphîm and Serpents: A number of passages associate śerāphîm with serpents. As a result of the Israelites’ rebellion in the wilderness the Lord sent “venomous [śerāphîm] snakes among them” (Num. 21:6).* After the people confessed their sin, the Lord ordered Moses “to make a snake [śārāph] and put it up on a pole” (verse8). In this last verse the term śārāph refers back to the full phrase “venomous [śeraphîm] snakes.” In Deuteronomy 8:15 the wilderness is described as a “thirsty and waterless land, with its venomous snakes [nāchāš śārāph, literally, “seraph snake”] and scorpions.”

NairaLTQ:


[b]Here is the Seraphim [/b]before Isaiah
Isa 6:1-7:
"In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the LORD sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Above it stood the seraphim: each one had six wings; with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he did fly. And one cried to another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke. Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the middle of a people of unclean lips: for my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. Then flew one of the seraphim to me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: And he laid it on my mouth, and said, See, this has touched your lips; and your iniquity is taken away, and your sin purged."
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You know nothing sir!

TenQ:


1. You forget that Islam has the Cherubim copied from the Jews!
In Islam, al-Karubiyyin or al-muqarraboonn refers to the highest angels near to God true or false.

2. Seraphim
a. The Hebrew word for "serpent" or "snake" is "נָחָשׁ" (pronounced as "nachash".

b. The Hebrew word for "venomous" or "poisonous" is "רָע" (pronounced as "rah". This word can be used to describe something that has venom or poison.

So, please show us how seraphims are associated with serpents.

3. Can you show me where I said or claimed that the word "Mahr" is in the Qur'an for I never did.

For your reference since you look dazed highlighted in yellow. Does it say مهر is in the Qur'an?


If you had been just brave enough to answer my questions, please you would not be this confused!

Are you ready to answer my questions now?

Hope some confusion isn't setting in?

وَٱلسَّـٰبِقُونَ ٱلسَّـٰبِقُون٠
They are the ones nearest ˹to Allah
أُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ ٱلْمُقَرَّبُونَ
and the foremost ˹in faith˺ will be the foremost ˹in Paradise˺

Are the Muqarabeen not those foremost in faith? Aren't these humans rewarded with paradise? Where and how do you mix them up with your Cherubim?

You wrote:

TenQ:

The burden of any proof of Kab al-Ahbar is on you. What was my claim on him that requires a proof?


Yes, Qur'an 4:24 speaks of women lawful for you Muslims and it include Mutah.

Quran 4:24 (Surah An-Nisa):
"And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise."


1. You are forbidden to have sex with married women unless they are your captives in war, why then it becomes legal.
2. Every other kind of women are lawful to you for sex provided
a. You give these women gifts and
b. Pay the women their dues for the sexual service provided as a must
c. Fulfill your Mutual agreement with these women.

I am sure you know the difference between
مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ and مهر.

Did Mohammed ever allow Mutah?
Yes or No!

And I asked for مهر in the Quran?
Because you say:

TenQ:

There are four questions I posted : are you saying that the perfect answer for a question is to ask the questioner the same questions?

My Basis
1. Question 1
The Qur'an 4:24 used the word أُجُورَهُنَّ rather than مهر.

Explore2xmore:
You are too anxious!
I have answered you in my post before this.
Okay let me part answer your updated question, which verse of the Quran has مهر in it?

You suddenly rebooted!
LOL!!

Explore2xmore:
Indeed you forget at most in a little over 24 hrs.

The name Seraphim:
Meaning
Vipers , Burners
Etymology
From the verb שרף (sarap), to burn.

What if a call you a liar? (for the highlight)
I challenge you to prove me wrong even from Numbers 22 if you dare!
1. In Hebrew, the word for "viper" is "צִפְעוֹנִי" (tzif'oni).
2. In Hebrew, "bronze serpent" is "נְחַשְׁתָּן נְחָשׁ" (nechash tan nachash),
3. In Hebrew, "fiery serpent" is "נְחָשִׁים שְׂרָפִים" (nachashim seraphim).
4. In Hebrew, "serpent" is "נָחָשׁ" (nachash).

"Seraphim" (שְׂרָפִים in Hebrew) is used to describe a type of celestial being or angelic creature. The term "seraph" is derived from the Hebrew word "שָׂרָף" (saraph), which means "burning" or "fiery."

Explore2xmore:

Śerāphîm and Serpents: A number of passages associate śerāphîm with serpents. As a result of the Israelites’ rebellion in the wilderness the Lord sent “venomous [śerāphîm] snakes among them” (Num. 21:6).* After the people confessed their sin, the Lord ordered Moses “to make a snake [śārāph] and put it up on a pole” (verse8). In this last verse the term śārāph refers back to the full phrase “venomous [śeraphîm] snakes.” In Deuteronomy 8:15 the wilderness is described as a “thirsty and waterless land, with its venomous snakes [nāchāš śārāph, literally, “seraph snake”] and scorpions.”

If you copied this from an Islamic site, they are LIARS!
I gave you a challenge, I prove me wrong!

Explore2xmore:

Hope some confusion isn't setting in?

وَٱلسَّـٰبِقُونَ ٱلسَّـٰبِقُون٠
They are the ones nearest ˹to Allah
أُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ ٱلْمُقَرَّبُونَ
and the foremost ˹in faith˺ will be the foremost ˹in Paradise˺

Are the Muqarabeen not those foremost in faith? Aren't these humans rewarded with paradise? Where and how do you mix them up with your Cherubim?

Argue with your fellow Muslims on this.

The Angels of Muqarrabun
The angels who are known asIlliyyun and Karubbiyyun are responsible for glorifying Allah, are very close to Him and have an exalted place before Allah.
“Those who sustain the Throne (of Allah) and those around it sing Glory and Praise to their Lord; believe in Him; and implore forgiveness for those who believe.” (Surah Ghafir, 7)
https://www.islam.org.uk/beliefs-overview/angels/duties-of-angels/

Explore2xmore:

You wrote:
And I asked for مهر in the Quran?
Because you say:

Since it seems you don't understand English language again, I let me break it down for you.

I said:

TenQ:

There are four questions I posted : are you saying that the perfect answer for a question is to ask the questioner the same questions?

My Basis
1. Question 1
The Qur'an 4:24 used the word أُجُورَهُنَّ rather than مهر.
So, I asked you the question:
What is the difference between
أُجُورَهُنَّ and مهر?

Meaning :
1. The word أُجُورَهُنَّ was used in the Qur'an 4:24
2. The word مهر was not used in Qur'an 4:24 (rather أُجُورَهُنَّ was used)
3. The question was why the more appropriate word for dowry مهر was NOT used but أُجُورَهُنَّ?


So, will you now answer my Questions hoping that you now understand the simple English!


There are four questions I posted : are you saying that the perfect answer for a question is to ask the questioner the same questions?

My Basis
1. Question 1
The Qur'an 4:24 used the word أُجُورَهُنَّ rather than مهر.
So, I asked you the question:
What is the difference between
أُجُورَهُنَّ and مهر?

2. The Qur'an 4:24 used the word مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ
So, I asked the question
What is مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ ?

The other two questions are straight forward
3. Is it untrue that Qur'an 5:87 is related to Sahih al-Bukhari 5075, Muslim 1404a and subsequently Tafsir by Ibn ‘Abbâs and Ibn Kathir on Qur'an 4:24?

4. Is hadith by Bukhari 5075 and Muslim 1404a Sahih or Daif or Maudu ?

וַיְשַׁלַּח יְהוָה בָּעָם, אֵת הַנְּחָשִׁים הַשְּׂרָפִים, וַיְנַשְּׁכוּ, אֶת-הָעָם; וַיָּמָת עַם-רָב, מִיִּשְׂרָאֵל

And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died Num 21:6

Tendency to use Israliyat to interpret Quran.
Here is Quran 40:7 show me ٱلْمُقَرَّبُونَ in it:
ٱلَّذِينَ يَحْمِلُونَ ٱلْعَرْشَ وَمَنْ حَوْلَهُۥ يُسَبِّحُونَ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّهِمْ وَيُؤْمِنُونَ بِهِۦ وَيَسْتَغْفِرُونَ لِلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ رَبَّنَا وَسِعْتَ كُلَّ شَىْءٍۢ رَّحْمَةًۭ وَعِلْمًۭا فَٱغْفِرْ لِلَّذِينَ تَابُوا۟ وَٱتَّبَعُوا۟ سَبِيلَكَ وَقِهِمْ عَذَابَ ٱلْجَحِيمِ ٧

The challenge is very simple and you are dancing like a jelly fish. Show me a verse in the Quran with مهر in it.
When you can produce this we have a basis for further discussion.

TenQ:
You suddenly rebooted!
LOL!!

What if a call you a liar? (for the highlight)
I challenge you to prove me wrong even from Numbers 22 if you dare!
1. In Hebrew, the word for "viper" is "צִפְעוֹנִי" (tzif'oni).
2. In Hebrew, "bronze serpent" is "נְחַשְׁתָּן נְחָשׁ" (nechash tan nachash),
3. In Hebrew, "fiery serpent" is "נְחָשִׁים שְׂרָפִים" (nachashim seraphim).
4. In Hebrew, "serpent" is "נָחָשׁ" (nachash).

"Seraphim" (שְׂרָפִים in Hebrew) is used to describe a type of celestial being or angelic creature. The term "seraph" is derived from the Hebrew word "שָׂרָף" (saraph), which means "burning" or "fiery."


If you copied this from an Islamic site, they are LIARS!
I gave you a challenge, I prove me wrong!



Argue with your fellow Muslims on this.

The Angels of Muqarrabun
The angels who are known asIlliyyun and Karubbiyyun are responsible for glorifying Allah, are very close to Him and have an exalted place before Allah.
“Those who sustain the Throne (of Allah) and those around it sing Glory and Praise to their Lord; believe in Him; and implore forgiveness for those who believe.” (Surah Ghafir, 7)
https://www.islam.org.uk/beliefs-overview/angels/duties-of-angels/


Since it seems you don't understand English language again, I let me break it down for you.

I said:

Meaning :
1. The word أُجُورَهُنَّ was used in the Qur'an 4:24
2. The word مهر was not used in Qur'an 2:24 (rather أُجُورَهُنَّ was used)
3. The question was why the more appropriate word for dowry مهر was NOT used but أُجُورَهُنَّ?


So, will you now answer my Questions hoping that you now understand the simple English!


There are four questions I posted : are you saying that the perfect answer for a question is to ask the questioner the same questions?

My Basis
1. Question 1
The Qur'an 4:24 used the word أُجُورَهُنَّ rather than مهر.
So, I asked you the question:
What is the difference between
أُجُورَهُنَّ and مهر?

2. The Qur'an 4:24 used the word مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ
So, I asked the question
What is مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ ?

The other two questions are straight forward
3. Is it untrue that Qur'an 5:87 is related to Sahih al-Bukhari 5075, Muslim 1404a and subsequently Tafsir by Ibn ‘Abbâs and Ibn Kathir on Qur'an 4:24?

4. Is hadith by Bukhari 5075 and Muslim 1404a Sahih or Daif or Maudu ?

Explore2xmore:
וַיְשַׁלַּח יְהוָה בָּעָם, אֵת הַנְּחָשִׁים הַשְּׂרָפִים, וַיְנַשְּׁכוּ, אֶת-הָעָם; וַיָּמָת עַם-רָב, מִיִּשְׂרָאֵל

And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died Num 21:6

I dare you answer the question below if you are a truthful person,
1. What is the Hebrew word used for Fiery in Numbers 21:6?
And
2. What is the Hebrew word used for Serpent in Numbers 21:6?

At least speak the truth for once!

Explore2xmore:

Tendency to use Israliyat to interpret Quran.
Here is Quran 40:7 show me ٱلْمُقَرَّبُونَ in it:
ٱلَّذِينَ يَحْمِلُونَ ٱلْعَرْشَ وَمَنْ حَوْلَهُۥ يُسَبِّحُونَ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّهِمْ وَيُؤْمِنُونَ بِهِۦ وَيَسْتَغْفِرُونَ لِلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ رَبَّنَا وَسِعْتَ كُلَّ شَىْءٍۢ رَّحْمَةًۭ وَعِلْمًۭا فَٱغْفِرْ لِلَّذِينَ تَابُوا۟ وَٱتَّبَعُوا۟ سَبِيلَكَ وَقِهِمْ عَذَابَ ٱلْجَحِيمِ ٧

The challenge is very simple and you are dancing like a jelly fish. Show me a verse in the Quran with مهر in it.
When you can produce this we have a basis for further discussion.

When did I ask you about Quran 40:7?
The verse we are discussing about is Qur'an 4:24

Qur'an 4:24
وَٱلْمُحْصَنَٰتُ مِنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ إِلَّا مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَٰنُكُمْ ۖ كِتَٰبَ ٱللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ ۚ وَأُحِلَّ لَكُم مَّا وَرَآءَ ذَٰلِكُمْ أَن تَبْتَغُوا۟ بِأَمْوَٰلِكُم مُّحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَٰفِحِينَ ۚ فَمَا ٱسْتَمْتَعْتُم بِهِۦ مِنْهُنَّ فَـَٔاتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةً ۚ وَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِيمَا تَرَٰضَيْتُم بِهِۦ مِنۢ بَعْدِ ٱلْفَرِيضَةِ ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيمًا حَكِيمًا
Qur'an 4:24
Also forbidden are married women unless they are captives (of war). Such is the decree of God. Lawful for you are women besides these if you seek them with your wealth for wedlock and not for debauchery. Then give those of these women you have enjoyed, the agreed wages. It will not be sinful if you agree to something (else) by mutual consent after having settled the dowry. God is certainly all-knowing and all-wise.



Let me help you out: as you are afraid of answering my question
The word مهر does NOT exist in Quran 4:24 because the verse has nothing to do with Dowry for Marriage BUT Wages paid for Prostitution.
Again
The word Allah used was أُجُورَهُنَّ meaning wages or salary and NOT مهر meaning Dowry!



I challenge you to answer truthfully

Is it UNTRUE that:
1. أُجُورَهُنَّ (Ujoorahunna): This word means "their wages" or "their salaries" in Arabic. It is typically used when referring to the payment or compensation received by individuals, often in the context of work or employment.

2. مهر (Mahr): This word means "dower" or "bridal gift" in Arabic. In Islamic tradition, the term "mahr" refers to the mandatory payment or gift that a groom gives to the bride as part of the marriage contract. It is a symbolic gesture of commitment and support for the bride.

Mr Explore2xmore,

No wonder, you've kept mute with my other question about the Tashahhud.

Fear of exposure as usual is holding you. I hope you can at least speak some truth.

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8314.htm

[שָׂרָף] noun masculineIsaiah 6:2 plural שְׂרָפִים seraphim (probably akin to I. ׳שׂ, as beings originally mythically conceived with serpents' bodies (serpent-deities, compare Isaiah 14:29; Isaiah 30:6), or (CheComm.) personified of lightning, compare arts. SERAPHIM,
StrachanHast. DB CheEncy. Bib.; Di Marti and others compare also Egyptian guardian-griffins, called Šerref; see also כְּרוּב; on Assyrian Šarrapu (-bu), epithet of god Nergal, connected by DlWB with √ שָׂרַף, see שָׁרָב, ZimKAT 3. 415); — in OT. majestic beings with six wings, and human hands and voices, attendant upon ׳י Isaiah 6:2,6.

You see yourself. Quoting things you have little knowledge of.

TenQ:


Argue with your fellow Muslims on this.

The Angels of Muqarrabun
The angels who are known asIlliyyun and Karubbiyyun are responsible for glorifying Allah, are very close to Him and have an exalted place before Allah.
“Those who sustain the Throne (of Allah) and those around it sing Glory and Praise to their Lord; believe in Him; and implore forgiveness for those who believe.” (Surah Ghafir, 7)
https://www.islam.org.uk/beliefs-overview/angels/duties-of-angels/


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What number is Surah Ghafir?

I agree that The word مهر does NOT exist in Quran 4:24 do show another verse where it exists. Is that not simple enough?

Explore2xmore:
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8314.htm

[שָׂרָף] noun masculineIsaiah 6:2 plural שְׂרָפִים seraphim (probably akin to I. ׳שׂ, as beings originally mythically conceived with serpents' bodies (serpent-deities, compare Isaiah 14:29; Isaiah 30:6), or (CheComm.) personified of lightning, compare arts. SERAPHIM,
StrachanHast. DB CheEncy. Bib.; Di Marti and others compare also Egyptian guardian-griffins, called Šerref; see also כְּרוּב; on Assyrian Šarrapu (-bu), epithet of god Nergal, connected by DlWB with √ שָׂרַף, see שָׁרָב, ZimKAT 3. 415); — in OT. majestic beings with six wings, and human hands and voices, attendant upon ׳י Isaiah 6:2,6.

You see yourself. Quoting things you have little knowledge of.

Please find attached!
Why did you refuse to quote the two definitions of שָׂרָף?
I will quote the part you refused to quote
II. [שָׂרָף] noun masculineIsaiah 6:2 plural שְׂרָפִים seraphim (probably akin to I. ׳שׂ, as beings originally mythically conceived with serpents' bodies (serpent-deities, compare Isaiah 14:29; Isaiah 30:6), or (CheComm.) personified of lightning, compare arts. SERAPHIM, StrachanHast. DB CheEncy. Bib.; Di Marti and others compare also Egyptian guardian-griffins, called Šerref; see also כְּרוּב; on Assyrian Šarrapu (-bu), epithet of god Nergal, connected by DlWB with √ שָׂרַף, see שָׁרָב, ZimKAT 3. 415); — in OT. majestic beings with six wings, and human hands and voices, attendant upon ׳י Isaiah 6:2,6.



Reading what you posted, I one would have thought that שָׂרָף mean snake.
Did you read Isaiah 14:29; Isaiah 30:6?
Of course not. Check context!

Explore2xmore:

What number is Surah Ghafir?

Ask the Qur'an-only Muslims: I only quoted them

Explore2xmore:

I agree that The word مهر does NOT exist in Quran 4:24 do show another verse where it exists. Is that not simple enough?

1. First show me the place where I said or insinuated that the word مهر is in Quran 4:24

At least, I shouldn't I know my offence before you crucify me?


2. You never answered my questions sir.

Do you now agree that
The word مهر does NOT exist in Quran 4:24 because the verse has nothing to do with Dowry for Marriage BUT Wages paid for Prostitution?

Finally,
Is it UNTRUE that the word صَدُقَاتِهِنَّ as used in Quran 4:4 is a synonym for مهر

Is it UNTRUE that Other synonyms for مهر are
"جيهة" (jaheh)
"شبهة" (shubhah) and
"عريش" ('arish)


Unfortunately, صَدُقَاتِهِنَّ is not a synonym for مهر: is it?

Explore2xmore:
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8314.htm

[שָׂרָף] noun masculineIsaiah 6:2 plural שְׂרָפִים seraphim (probably akin to I. ׳שׂ, as beings originally mythically conceived with serpents' bodies (serpent-deities, compare Isaiah 14:29; Isaiah 30:6), or (CheComm.) personified of lightning, compare arts. SERAPHIM,
StrachanHast. DB CheEncy. Bib.; Di Marti and others compare also Egyptian guardian-griffins, called Šerref; see also כְּרוּב; on Assyrian Šarrapu (-bu), epithet of god Nergal, connected by DlWB with √ שָׂרַף, see שָׁרָב, ZimKAT 3. 415); — in OT. majestic beings with six wings, and human hands and voices, attendant upon ׳י Isaiah 6:2,6.

You see yourself. Quoting things you have little knowledge of.

What number is Surah Ghafir?

I agree that The word مهر does NOT exist in Quran 4:24 do show another verse where it exists. Is that not simple enough?

Why should I show you مهر in the Qur'an?
I have shown you synonyms to مهر

Is it UNTRUE that Other synonyms for مهر are
"جيهة" (jaheh)
"شبهة" (shubhah) and
"عريش" ('arish)

Mr Explore2xmore,

How about my other question about the Tashahhud.

Utterly stupid argument. You stated The Qur'an 4:24 used the word أُجُورَهُنَّ rather than مهر and a simple question to show where the latter is mentioned in the Quran you are bringing questions on synonyms?


If مهر doesn't exist your argument is a fallacy..

On the שָׂרָף at least you have agreed that one meaning refers to serpant.
Hebrew has two words pronounced seraph. One is a noun meaning serpent. The plural is Seraphim. The second is a verb meaning to burn. Many scholars believe Seraphim means burning ones based on the verb seraph and so they exclude serpent imagery, but sometimes both options can be in play at the same time.

https://godeeperbiblestudy.com/what-are-the-seraphim-and-cherubim-around-gods-throne/

Fiery serpant here is what?
https://biblehub.com/text/numbers/21-8.htm
שָׂרָ֔ף
śā-rāp̄, a fiery serpent

You are the one quoting or blindly copy pasting so this discussiom is with you.

Simply because you say The word مهر was not used in Qur'an 2:24 (rather أُجُورَهُنَّ was used).
Is it not for you to show where the former was used to compare with the use of the latter?

TenQ:

Why should I show you مهر in the Qur'an?
I have shown you synonyms to مهر

Is it UNTRUE that Other synonyms for مهر are
"جيهة" (jaheh)
"شبهة" (shubhah) and
"عريش" ('arish)

Explore2xmore:
Utterly stupid argument. You stated The Qur'an 4:24 used the word أُجُورَهُنَّ rather than مهر and a simple question to show where the latter is mentioned in the Quran you are bringing questions on synonyms?


If مهر doesn't exist your argument is a fallacy..

On the שָׂרָף at least you have agreed that one meaning refers to serpant.
Hebrew has two words pronounced seraph. One is a noun meaning serpent. The plural is Seraphim. The second is a verb meaning to burn. Many scholars believe Seraphim means burning ones based on the verb seraph and so they exclude serpent imagery, but sometimes both options can be in play at the same time.

https://godeeperbiblestudy.com/what-are-the-seraphim-and-cherubim-around-gods-throne/

Fiery serpant here is what?
https://biblehub.com/text/numbers/21-8.htm
שָׂרָ֔ף
śā-rāp̄, a fiery serpent

You are the one quoting or blindly copy pasting so this discussiom is with you.

And serpents have wings abi?

Explore2xmore:
Simply because you say The word مهر was not used in Qur'an 2:24 (rather أُجُورَهُنَّ was used).
Is it not for you to show where the former was used to compare with the use of the latter?

At least I have shown you that أُجُورَهُنَّ is the wages paid to prostitutes according to Allah much later abrogated by Mohammed for a reason best known to him.

Qur'an 4:24 is Halal Prostitution.
Allah says pay your agreed fee after sex!

Explore2xmore:
Utterly stupid argument. You stated The Qur'an 4:24 used the word أُجُورَهُنَّ rather than مهر and a simple question to show where the latter is mentioned in the Quran you are bringing questions on synonyms?


If مهر doesn't exist your argument is a fallacy..

On the שָׂרָף at least you have agreed that one meaning refers to serpant.
Hebrew has two words pronounced seraph. One is a noun meaning serpent. The plural is Seraphim. The second is a verb meaning to burn. Many scholars believe Seraphim means burning ones based on the verb seraph and so they exclude serpent imagery, but sometimes both options can be in play at the same time.

https://godeeperbiblestudy.com/what-are-the-seraphim-and-cherubim-around-gods-throne/

Fiery serpant here is what?
https://biblehub.com/text/numbers/21-8.htm
שָׂרָ֔ף
śā-rāp̄, a fiery serpent

You are the one quoting or blindly copy pasting so this discussiom is with you.

Here are your snakes

Isa 6:2:
"Above it stood the seraphim: each one had six wings; with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he did fly."

Isa 6:6:
"Then flew one of the seraphim to me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:"


They have wings
They have hands and
They even have feet!

Seraphim and Serpents: A number of passages associate seraphim with serpents. As a result of the Israelites’ rebellion in the wilderness the Lord sent “venomous [seraphim] snakes among them” (Num. 21:6). After the people confessed their sin, the Lord ordered Moses “to make a snake [Saraph] and put it up on a pole” (21:. In this last verse the term saraph refers back to the full phrase “venomous [śeraphîm] snakes.” In Deuteronomy 8:15 the wilderness is described as a “thirsty and waterless land, with its venomous snakes [nāchāš śārāph, literally, “seraph snake”] and scorpions.”

What is the meaning of the term seraph in these passages? It is used as an adjective designating a specific type of serpent.

Two passages in Isaiah associate seraphim with evil.
6 The burden of the beasts of the south: into the land of trouble and anguish, from whence come the young and old lion, the viper and fiery flying serpent, they will carry their riches upon the shoulders of young asses, and their treasures upon the bunches of camels, to a people that shall not profit them.

In Isaiah 14:29 the Philistines should not rejoice, because a king worse than the others will come; he will be like a flying seraph.

Argue with your Bible

TenQ:

Here are your snakes

Isa 6:2:
"Above it stood the seraphim: each one had six wings; with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he did fly."

Isa 6:6:
"Then flew one of the seraphim to me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:"


They have wings
They have hands and
They even have feet!

At least? Definitely the other doesn't exist and your falsehood meets you yourself.

TenQ:

At least I have shown you that أُجُورَهُنَّ is the wages paid to prostitutes according to Allah much later abrogated by Mohammed for a reason best known to him.

Qur'an 4:24 is Halal Prostitution.
Allah says pay your agreed fee after sex!

Ask your Bible which has defined saraph differently.

TenQ:

And serpents have wings abi?

Explore2xmore:
Seraphim and Serpents: A number of passages associate seraphim with serpents. As a result of the Israelites’ rebellion in the wilderness the Lord sent “venomous [seraphim] snakes among them” (Num. 21:6). After the people confessed their sin, the Lord ordered Moses “to make a snake [Saraph] and put it up on a pole” (21:. In this last verse the term saraph refers back to the full phrase “venomous [śeraphîm] snakes.” In Deuteronomy 8:15 the wilderness is described as a “thirsty and waterless land, with its venomous snakes [nāchāš śārāph, literally, “seraph snake”] and scorpions.”

What is the meaning of the term seraph in these passages? It is used as an adjective designating a specific type of serpent.

Two passages in Isaiah associate seraphim with evil.
6 The burden of the beasts of the south: into the land of trouble and anguish, from whence come the young and old lion, the viper and fiery flying serpent, they will carry their riches upon the shoulders of young asses, and their treasures upon the bunches of camels, to a people that shall not profit them.

In Isaiah 14:29 the Philistines should not rejoice, because a king worse than the others will come; he will be like a flying seraph.

Argue with your Bible

Explore2xmore:
Ask your Bible which has defined saraph differently.

No problem as long as the serpents have

Have wings and
They have hands and
They even have feet!