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Arda1000:
say exactly one thing that is happening and Bible accurately predicted it

I will mention TWO things that everyone can see no matter how hard your heart can be.

[1] God said that mankind will become totally confused regarding politics during the endtime to the extent that they will start killing one another because of politics! Revelations 6:3-4

[2] At that same time God promised that His worshipers will locate faithful individuals in all the geographical locations of the earth and they will use the Bible to resolve all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

There is no god in any nation that has proved to be this true apart from the God of Israel go and ask all the worshipers of all the gods on this planet what their gods said about our time surely many will steal what the true God said but then can they use their powers to unite their worshipers like the true God is doing with Jehovah's Witnesses?
NO! NEVER!
Now the God of Jehovah's Witnesses promised that during the endtime it will be difficult to IDENTIFY His worshipers because Satan's agents will also be claiming worshipers of the God of Israel {2Corinthians 11:14} but the true God said His own worshipers will locate faithful individuals and speak with them one on one during the endtime {Malachi 3:16} and that will serve as identifying mark of those worshiping the true God! Malachi 3:18

That's what Jesus came to commission in the first century but Satan hijacked the group after the death of Christ's apostles {Matthew 13:25} Jesus said it will be difficult to find the faith he established in the first century {Luke 18:8} but then God's Holy Spirit will begin working again when Jesus return so that what he commissioned will take it's full strength again.

And that's what happened in the year 1914 when Jesus returned so that by the year 1931 a global family of peace loving worshipers sufficed preaching zealously and industriously teaching throughout the earth regarding what the Prince of Peace taught {Act 1:8} that is why the one and only true God began calling that group by another group name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15


I was not born as one of them but i decided to make a thorough research before i joined Atheism that's how i found favour in the God of faithful people who showed me mercy and opened my eyes to all these FACTS.

So you can now conclude on what i'm saying if it's just mere delusion.

May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:
I will mention TWO things that everyone can see no matter how hard your heart can be.

[1] God said that mankind will become totally confused regarding politics during the endtime to the extent that they will start killing one another because of politics! Revelations 6:3-4

[2] At that same time God promised that His worshipers will locate faithful individuals in all the geographical locations of the earth and they will use the Bible to resolve all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

There is no god in any nation that has proved to be this true apart from the God of Israel go and ask all the worshipers of all the gods on this planet what their gods said about our time surely many will steal what the true God said but then can they use their powers to unite their worshipers like the true God is doing with Jehovah's Witnesses?
NO! NEVER!
Now the God of Jehovah's Witnesses promised that during the endtime it will be difficult to IDENTIFY His worshipers because Satan's agents will also be claiming worshipers of the God of Israel {2Corinthians 11:14} but the true God said His own worshipers will locate faithful individuals and speak with them one on one during the endtime {Malachi 3:16} and that will serve as identifying mark of those worshiping the true God! Malachi 3:18

That's what Jesus came to commission in the first century but Satan hijacked the group after the death of Christ's apostles {Matthew 13:25} Jesus said it will be difficult to find the faith he established in the first century {Luke 18:8} but then God's Holy Spirit will begin working again when Jesus return so that what he commissioned will take it's full strength again.

And that's what happened in the year 1914 when Jesus returned so that by the year 1931 a global family of peace loving worshipers sufficed preaching zealously and industriously teaching throughout the earth regarding what the Prince of Peace taught {Act 1:8} that is why the one and only true God began calling that group by another group name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15


I was not born as one of them but i decided to make a thorough research before i joined Atheism that's how i found favour in the God of faithful people who showed me mercy and opened my eyes to all these FACTS.

So you can now conclude on what i'm saying if it's just mere delusion.

May you have PEACE!

trash as far as the Earth is concerned men have been killing each other,politically,Religiously and otherwise.

Even your Bible said that nothing is new under the sun.
Everything happening today has happened before,be it sickness,wars,death etc.


Lol you even believe that men were created in Middle East and that cradle of humanity began in ancient mesopotomia(present day Iraq)as your Bible shows.
You believe the whole world was submerged for 40 days and nights.
You believe races began spranging up after Noah family survived the submerging .
You even began humanity began by incestiou practice of Adam and Eve( cause biologically Eve came from Adam's rib,hell I don't know how that was possible but let's agree it happened then both of them have the same DNA even Kane married his sister that's even inbreeding .
Man you really have to understand that your believes are flawed.

Okay faith means believing everything without question the logic behind it,so I guess you wouldn't think deep on those questions.

MaxInDHouse:
Are you saying the first born of creation is no part of creation?
What is the meaning of the word firstborn Son in a family?

Firstborn simply signifies "first in importance" and "first in order of time".

In the Bible, among the Israelites, firstborns possessed special rights and importance in the family and of course they were the first to be born into their families.

Colossians 1:15 KJV
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature


So Jesus was the first to be created out of every creation and also the most preeminent.

Colossians 1:18 KJV
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence

Here it shows that Jesus was the first to be raised from the dead to a spirit life and also the most preeminent.

This is what you typed with your own fingers no one forced you:

Arda1000:
I'd rather believe in what I see my brother

Now i showed you what i saw that everyone is seeing yet you want to argue over what you're seeing shey?

Arda1000:
Okay faith means believing everything without question the logic behind it,so I guess you wouldn't think deep on those questions.

Now let's go back to your question:

Arda1000:
say exactly one thing that is happening and Bible accurately predicted it

Is that PREDICTION accurate or not?

Let me analyze it:

[1] A God who has been saying strange things that's unbelievable suddenly claim He knows the future.

[2] He predicted something and it happened exactly as He predicted.

[3] There has never been a time in the history of mankind when individuals from different nations all formed an organization and vowed never to participate in WARS again! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

[4] Despite all the religions on this planet there has never been a time when any religion goes round the globe to change people's hearts against WARS and making of weapons. Psalms 46:9

My friend, i'm not forcing my beliefs on you but i'm telling you what is killing your friends making them feel really threatened by my presence on Nairaland!

@ Cornelboy
Let them change the meaning of the word "FIRSTBORN" nah
Perhaps English will change the meaning of that word because Churchgoers are demanding it!

MaxInDHouse:
This is what you typed with your own fingers no one forced you:

Now i showed you what i saw that everyone is seeing yet you want to argue over what you're seeing shey?


Now let's go back to your question:



Is that PREDICTION accurate or not?

Let me analyze it:

[1] A God who has been saying strange things that's unbelievable suddenly claim He knows the future.

[2] He predicted something and it happened exactly as He predicted.

[3] There has never been a time in the history of mankind when individuals from different nations all formed an organization and vowed never to participate in WARS again! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

[4] Despite all the religions on this planet there has never been a time when any religion goes round the globe to change people's hearts against WARS and making of weapons. Psalms 46:9

My friend, i'm not forcing my beliefs on you but i'm telling you what is killing your friends making them feel really threatened by my presence on Nairaland!

wait do you actually think that you guys are the only organization that are neutral in war?
Anyway I believe in self defence you can't come to kill me and I will be looking you na.
So being neutral in wars or making people become neutral is just a waste of time.

cornelboy:
Colossians 1:18 KJV And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence

Here it shows that Jesus was the first to be raised from the dead to a spirit life and also the most preeminent.

KJV is not your cherry pick one, people behind the work of KJV didn't believe Jesus was created so next time stick to your own translation NWT.

"and he is the head of the body, the congregation.+ He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead,+ so that he might become the one who is first in all things;" - NWT

Two things here:

First: He is THE BEGINNING, note that The Father is also called The Beginning

Second: So that he might BECOME the ONE who is FIRST in ALL THINGS.

If you agree with Watchtower that Jesus was the FIRST created Being, why must He be the ONE WHO BECOME FIRST IN ALL THINGS?

Is He not the FIRST IN ALL THINGS before?

MaxInDHouse:
@ Cornelboy
Let them change the meaning of the word "FIRSTBORN" nah
Perhaps English will change the meaning of that word because Churchgoers are demanding it!

Can you provide from any source where the word firstborn was ever used for CREATE?

Arda1000:
wait do you actually think that you guys are the only organization that are neutral in war?
Anyway I believe in self defence you can't come to kill me and I will be looking you na.
So being neutral in wars or making people become neutral is just a waste of time.

That's where WISDOM comes in Sir!

Jesus taught his disciples not to think of going to wars but he used a military strategy that we strongly believe in the army:

ATTACK is the best form of DEFENSE!

So how do Christ's followers attack their enemies first?

As a former military officer our main aim was to make the opponent surrender (not to kill them) so if an army should raise a white flag and put their weapons behind their necks any soldier that aim at such soldiers would be severely punished.

Why? Because they have SURRENDERED and catching them alive means much more to us than their carcasses.

So when Jesus sent his disciples to go and meet people in their homes he's using the best military strategy because apart from making the enemies to surrender Jesus' disciples will convince their enemies to join their camp:

and the same was true of both James and John, Zebʹe·dee’s sons, who were partners with Simon. But Jesus said to Simon: “Stop being afraid. From now on you will be catching men alive.” Luke 5:10 compare to Mark 1:17

For your information that's exactly what they did to me, now instead of thinking of how to kill opposers i go to their homes to PREACH (ATTACK) their hearts and many like me have become peace makers, you may find it hard to believe but the truth is that our names has been written in heaven as children of God! Matthew 5:9 compare to Malachi 3:16

@ Arda1000

I just want you to know why your friends are following me from thread to thread quoting and mentioning me even though i ignore them.
Their hearts are really troubled each time they read my comments so they're battle prepared to follow anywhere they see me comment on Nairaland just to distract followers of such thread with their trolling, whenever they see me engaging anyone they bombard the person with negative comments but i am one of Jesus' disciples we aren't searching for the innocent rather our target are FAITHFUL ONES! Matthew 10:6

Emusan:
KJV is not your cherry pick one, people behind the work of KJV didn't believe Jesus was created so next time stick to your own translation NWT.

"and he is the head of the body, the congregation.+ He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead,+ so that he might become the one who is first in all things;" - NWT

Two things here:

First: He is THE BEGINNING, note that The Father is also called The Beginning

Second: So that he might BECOME the ONE who is FIRST in ALL THINGS.

If you agree with Watchtower that Jesus was the FIRST created Being, why must He be the ONE WHO BECOME FIRST IN ALL THINGS?

Is He not the FIRST IN ALL THINGS before?

Lol you're not in any position to tell me which versions to use.
Firstborn means first in order of time and importance.

So "Jesus is the firstborn of all creation" clearly shows that Jesus was part of creation and he's the first to be created and most preeminent of all creation.

cornelboy:
Lol you're not in any position to tell me which versions to you.

Sure I can't!

But will you use the same KJV or any other versions when it's against you?

That's why you must stick to the version you subscribe to.

Firstborn means first in order of time and importance.

But not FIRST CREATED.

The two aren't the same.

So "Jesus is the firstborn of all creation" clearly shows that Jesus was part of creation

No! If not there's no need to still be the one WHO IS FIRST IN ALL THINGS.

and he's the first to be created

Then why does HE need to still be the one who is FIRST IN ALL THINGS?

Definitely you don't understand that part.

and most preeminent of all creation.

You've started adding your own like Watchtower.

Where did you see "most preeminent OF ALL creation?"

And to be preeminent means "the unequivocal Sovereign over all creation"

Arda1000:
wait do you actually think that you guys are the only organization that are neutral in war?
Anyway I believe in self defence you can't come to kill me and I will be looking you na.
So being neutral in wars or making people become neutral is just a waste of time.

You already know his insanities and madness peddling from afar. He will keep peddling lies and manipulations repeatedly

Anyway I believe in self defence you can't come to kill me and I will be looking you na.

The religious organization he belongs equally believes in self defense.


I asked him what was the essence of all military formations all over the world. The liar and manipulator couldn't provide an answer.

Yet you see him boast about his madness and insanities peddling that his religious organization don't go to war yet they kill their fellow members and do all sorts of atrocities without going to war with fellow members

MaxInDHouse:
@ Arda1000

I just want you to know why your friends are following me from thread to thread quoting and mentioning me even though i ignore them.
Their hearts are really troubled each time they read my comments so they're battle prepared to follow anywhere they see me comment on Nairaland just to distract followers of such thread with their trolling, whenever they see me engaging anyone they bombard the person with negative comments but i am one of Jesus' disciples we aren't searching for the innocent rather our target are FAITHFUL ONES! Matthew 10:6

Seeking the face of Arda1000 after he blew your cover of lies and manipulations about
1.

wait do you actually think that you guys are the only organization that are neutral in war?

No, military formation all over the world as at 2020 amounts to 27 millions not even up to 100 millions not to talk of billions. Lie number one bursted.


2.

Anyway I believe in self defence you can't come to kill me and I will be looking you na.

Your religious organization says no bible injunction goes against self defense. Your neutrality madness and insanities peddling packed into your brains started from the lies and manipulations of Romans 13

3

So being neutral in wars or making people become neutral is just a waste of time.

Definitely, the neutrality of your religious organization regarding going to war has not stop killing of fellow members within your midst and committing all sorts of atrocities you already authenticated here.


Come back and peddle more lies

[quote author=Emusan post=126177535][/quote]

Sure I can't!
But will you use the same KJV or any other versions when it's against you?
That's why you must stick to the version you subscribe to.

You can't tell me which versions to quote or which ones not to quote.
I use all the scriptures and compare them together.
I have never quoted the NWT here. So don't ever bring that up again.

But not FIRST CREATED.

The two aren't the same.

I never said "firstborn" means "first created".
Firstborn signifies first in order of time and first in importance or preeminence.

"Firstborn of all creation/creature" simply means Jesus is the first and most important creature in God's creation.

It's clear that Jesus is part of creation and he's the first (order of time) and most preeminent of everything created.
Just like he's the first and most preeminent among the believers that will be/were raised from the dead to spirit beings. Colossians 1:18.

MaxInDHouse:
@ Cornelboy
Let them change the meaning of the word "FIRSTBORN" nah
Perhaps English will change the meaning of that word because Churchgoers are demanding it!

Hahahaha they are really funny.
I'll be here to correct their mistakes

cornelboy:
Firstborn simply signifies "first in importance" and "first in order of time".
In the Bible, among the Israelites, firstborns possessed special rights and importance in the family and of course they were the first to be born into their families.
Colossians 1:15 KJV
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature
So Jesus was the first to be created out of every creation and also the most preeminent.
Colossians 1:18 KJV
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence
Here it shows that Jesus was the first to be raised from the dead to a spirit life and also the most preeminent.

lost false jw cornyboy

you people are blinded, there is a difference between firstborn/begotten, and created
there is a difference between 1.God begat the word, and
2.God created the Word.
the second is clearly wrong, there is much scripture showing that the Word is begotten, God's only begotten Son,

the word in col 1:15 is "ktisis" it can be used for creation, and it can be used for creature, depending on context and other scriptures
i don't call the Son of God a creature, so i say:
"He is the firstborn of all persons", which of course is true


God created all things through the Word, and God created nothing by Himself,
again showing the Word is not created:

nasb Joh 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 
kjv Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 
afv Joh 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and not even one thing that was created came into being without Him. 
etc.etc.etc.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

cornelboy:
Hahahaha they are really funny.
I'll be here to correct their mistakes

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorn bushes under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


lost false jw cornyboy

you people are self righteous puffed up braggers, aren't you

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire


you mean: "you'll be here making mistakes"

cornelboy:
Hahahaha they are really funny.
I'll be here to correct their mistakes

Let them tell how the firstborn is no part of those being born.
First born of all creations simply means the person in question is part of creation.
Simple as ABC!

MaxInDHouse:
What makes man a spiritual being?
Well if you like turn your own copy of the Bible upside down while reading this:

For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.Ecclesiastes 3:19-20 KJV

Both human and animal are going to the same place just as they all came from the dust so to dust we will all return!

The only difference between man and animal is that humans were created in the image of God which means we have eternity in our hearts we don't want to die but to keep on living due to the way God created us {Ecclesiastes 3:11} that's the hope animals don't have which makes us different from them! Job 14:13-15

Now read it upside down and tell me what you found there!

science student

MaxInDHouse:
Let them tell how the firstborn is no part of those being born.
First born of all creations simply means the person in question is part of creation.
Simple as ABC!

Job_15:12  Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at


lost false jw mad max

oh duh very dum one, the correct wording of col 1:15 is
"the firstborn of every creature", i say "the firstborn of every person" since it's talking about the Son of God

mad maxindhouse i have showed that the Word of God/Jesus Christ, is not created,
but how you love to go against God's word/the Bible

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

not simple as abc, you just simple full stop

Arda1000:
wait do you actually think that you guys are the only organization that are neutral in war?
Anyway I believe in self defence you can't come to kill me and I will be looking you na.
So being neutral in wars or making people become neutral is just a waste of time.

The fraud MaxInDHouse like to sell to people is captured in the screenshot below......

The greatest religious system that exists on earth, or ever did exist on earth, is the Roman Catholic hierarchy, controlled by a few men and under which have been brought millions of people of honest desires. Satan has used the Roman Catholic hierarchy to blind millions of people. They have been taught error. The Hierarchy has claimed to represent God and the Bible, and at the same time.has kept the people in ignorance of what the Bible contains. There are millions of good, honest people who are under the Catholic organization that would turn to God if the eyes of their understanding were opened to the truth. The obligation is laid upon those of Jehovah's witnesses to take to such persons the truth in order that they may have a chance to have the eyes of their understanding opened. The mere fact that men or organizations made up of men claim to represent God and Christ is no evidence whatsoever that they do represent God and Christ. In the days of the apostles men were claiming and attempting to do this very thing.



The mere fact that men or organizations made up of men claim to represent God and Christ is no evidence whatsoever that they do represent God and Christ. In the days of the apostles men were claiming and attempting to do this very thing.


MaxInDHouse will have you believe that 9 GODS of men housed in USA represent God and Christ with errors and mistakes in doctrines and their organizational direction which they say are not inspired and fallible

cornelboy:
You can't tell me which versions to quote or which ones not to quote.

I've made myself cleared on this.

I use all the scriptures and compare them together.

Just say you cherry pick them because I'm sure you won't quote them whenever they against your view.

Now, do you compare them with NWT?

I have never quoted the NWT here. So don't ever bring that up again.

So which version did you read it from that Jesus is the first created being?

I never said "firstborn" means "first created".

This was your initial point

So "Jesus is the firstborn of all creation" clearly shows that Jesus was part of creation and he's the first to be created

But you're using the silent point of FIRSTBORN to arrive at FIRST CREATED.

So the two are of different meaning.

Firstborn signifies first in order of time and first in importance or preeminence.

"Firstborn of all creation/creature" simply means Jesus is the first and most important creature in God's creation.

The @underlined is your conjecture not from the scripture.

Reason you keep confusing yourself.

Then why must Jesus still be the one SHOULD BE FIRST IN ALL THINGS?

If we go by your explanation here, reason why you can't answer that question.

It's clear that Jesus is part of creation and he's the first (order of time) and most preeminent of everything created.

If Jesus is part of creation then it means Jesus created Himself.

Preeminence means sovereign OVER ALL CREATIONS.

John 1:3 says "Apart from Him, NOT EVEN ONE THING was created.."

You can see the reason why Watchtower has to dubiously inserted the word "OTHER" multiple times in Col 1:16-18.

Just like he's the first and most preeminent among the believers that will be/were raised from the dead to spirit beings. Colossians 1:18.

No! Don't twist it.

After Paul described Jesus as the Creator in that Col 1, he went further to say He is the first to be raised and end it by saying "so that HE WILL BE FIRST IN EVERYTHING" that is the key point.

If Jesus was created, no need for that statement.

MaxInDHouse:
Let them tell how the firstborn is no part of those being born.
First born of all creations simply means the person in question is part of creation.
Simple as ABC!

How does firstborn mean being part of creation?

I'm waiting for your definition of firstborn.

Shadysen:
science student

Sorry Churchgoer!

Emusan:
I've made myself cleared on this.



Just say you cherry pick them because I'm sure you won't quote them whenever they against your view.

Now, do you compare them with NWT?



So which version did you read it from that Jesus is the first created being?



This was your initial point

But you're using the silent point of FIRSTBORN to arrive at FIRST CREATED.

So the two are of different meaning.



The @underlined is your conjecture not from the scripture.

Reason you keep confusing yourself.

Then why must Jesus still be the one SHOULD BE FIRST IN ALL THINGS?

If we go by your explanation here, reason why you can't answer that question.



If Jesus is part of creation then it means Jesus created Himself.

Preeminence means sovereign OVER ALL CREATIONS.

John 1:3 says "Apart from Him, NOT EVEN ONE THING was created.."

You can see the reason why Watchtower has to dubiously inserted the word "OTHER" multiple times in Col 1:16-18.



No! Don't twist it.

After Paul described Jesus as the Creator in that Col 1, he went further to say He is the first to be raised and end it by saying "so that HE WILL BE FIRST IN EVERYTHING" that is the key point.

If Jesus was created, no need for that statement.

Guy hold on to your interpretation.

MaxInDHouse:
Let them tell how the firstborn is no part of those being born.
First born of all creations simply means the person in question is part of creation.
Simple as ABC!

Of course it clearly shows Jesus was part of God's creation

cornelboy:
Guy hold on to your interpretation.

Not my interpretation but the meaning of those words you're using.

You made this claim above "Hahahaha they are really funny.
I'll be here to correct their mistakes"

So why can't you point out my mistakes?

johnw47:
lost false jw cornyboy

you people are blinded, there is a difference between firstborn/begotten, and created
there is a difference between 1.God begat the word, and
2.God created the Word.
the second is clearly wrong, there is much scripture showing that the Word is begotten, God's only begotten Son,

the word in col 1:15 is "ktisis" it can be used for creation, and it can be used for creature, depending on context and other scriptures
i don't call the Son of God a creature, so i say:
"He is the firstborn of all persons", which of course is true


God created all things through the Word, and God created nothing by Himself,
again showing the Word is not created:

nasb Joh 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 
kjv Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 
afv Joh 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and not even one thing that was created came into being without Him. 
etc.etc.etc.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

If God created nothing then how did Jesus exist? The facts is that God created everything else through Jesus Christ. He of course created Jesus. That's why Jesus is the firstborn of all creation/creature. He's the first to be created and most preeminent of God's creation.

Emusan:
Not my interpretation but the meaning of those words you're using.

You made this claim above "Hahahaha they are really funny.
I'll be here to correct their mistakes"

So why can't you point out my mistakes?

Lol what does firstborn mean?
Gimme another word or phrase for firstborn

cornelboy:
Of course it clearly shows Jesus was part of God's creation

Le God be true

"All things came into existence through him,+ and apart from him not EVEN ONE THING came into existence." - John 1:3 NWT

CEV: "And with this Word, God created all things. Nothing was made without the Word. Everything that was created"

GNT: "Through him God made all things; not one thing in all creation was made without him."

AMP: "All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him not even one thing was made that has come into being."

GW: "Everything came into existence through him. Not one thing that exists was made without him."

And the list goes on.

So how can Jesus be part of creation if NOTHING CAME INTO EXISTENCE without HIM(Jesus)?

cornelboy:
Lol what does firstborn mean?
Gimme another word or phrase for firstborn

I've said this above meaning you don't pay attention but just burying your head in what has been fused into it.

Firstborn means "superior in"

As you can see from Psalm 89:27 “I also shall make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth."

This doesn't mean the FIRST ENTHRONED KING on earth.

Also, this verse says CHRIST will be MADE FIRSTBORN.

Reason why Apostle Paul says "He must be the ONE WHO COME FIRST IN ALL THINGS"

Summary, Jesus was not part of creation but when he became part of Creation He must still take first Position in everything.

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