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Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by Sand2022(op): 9:08pm On Oct 12, 2023
Janosky:
Oga,You hate the Bible truth: 1 Corinthians 15:12, the brethrens in Corinth did not believe in Jesus resurrection.
2 Corinthians 13:9, did Paul the apostle admonish them to re-adjust & amend their beliefs?

Jesus reprimanded the disciples, as "FOOLISH" @Luke 24:25, the same thing he would do to you for WAILING.

. grin grin

Oga, join those FAITHLESS miscreants & enjoy your WAILING. grin
These things are not flip flop. God help me. Where went your brain?
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by Sand2022(op): 9:10pm On Oct 12, 2023
achorladey:
It is deliberate attempt to lie and manipulate the scriptures. It has nothing to do with poor understanding. grin grin grin grin grin
Maybe. For someone to read and then give a reply very different from your point, maybe it's deliberate. It may also be he doesn't even understand the point.
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by achorladey: 9:11pm On Oct 12, 2023
Emusan:
That's why I do say you people lies so easily and reason why you always avoid quoting the scripture rather than citing it.

Here is 1 Corin 15:12 "But tell me this— since we preach that Christ rose from the dead, why are some of you saying there will be no resurrection of the dead?

It's evident that teaching of Christ resurrection isn't the main issue here but resurrection of the DEAD.

Compare to your initial point "The same disciples Jesus opened their minds to understand the holy scriptures, still did not believe in Jesus resurrection @ 1 Corinthians 15:12."

Lying liar hallgoer miscreant cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy
That Janosky needs to get away from that religious organization and stop peddling mumu and no get sense over scriptures to support lies and manipulations that even his GODS will be ashamed of


From their own Bible study notes.....

if you hold firmly to the good news: The resurrection, part of “the primary doctrine” of Christianity, was under attack in Corinth. (Heb 6:1, 2) Some were arguing that “there is no resurrection of the dead.” (1Co 15:12) Paul drew attention to those who said: “Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we are to die.” (1Co 15:32) He may have been quoting Isa 22:13, but those words well reflected the thinking of people influenced by such Greek philosophers as Epicurus, who denied that there was life after death. (Ac 17:32; see study note on 1Co 15:32.) Or some in the congregation who were of Jewish background may have been influenced by the beliefs of the Sadducees, who denied the resurrection. (Mr 12:18) Another possibility is that some felt that living Christians had already experienced some kind of spiritual resurrection. (2Ti 2:16-18) If the Corinthians failed to “hold firmly to the good news,” they would become believers for nothing​—their hope would not be fulfilled.​—See study note on 1Co 15:12.


Emusan said......

It's evident that teaching of Christ resurrection isn't the main issue here but resurrection of the DEAD.
Janosky aka JaNosense says....

Emusan LYING coconut head,@ 1 Corinthians 15:12 was Jesus Christ raised from the dead?
No wonder Janosky is called JaNosense your 9 GODS of men confirms that you are lying and manipulating their bible grin grin grin grin

Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by Janosky: 9:12pm On Oct 12, 2023
achorladey:
See the extent this one will go to lie and manipulate the Bible to peddle his mumu and no get sense peddling that the apostles are teaching lies grin grin grin

That guy brains dey filled with mumu and no get sense peddling. Jumped from Luke to 1 Corinthians
Achorladey FAITHLESS miscreant WAILING. grin grin grin grin
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by achorladey: 9:13pm On Oct 12, 2023
Janosky:
Achorladey FAITHLESS miscreant WAILING. grin grin grin grin
Janosky aka JaNosense the no get sense and mumu peddling peddler who loves faithless miscreants wailings like no other
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by achorladey: 9:15pm On Oct 12, 2023
Sand2022:
Maybe. For someone to read and then give a reply very different from your point, maybe it's deliberate. It may also be he doesn't even understand the point.
The reality here is that when they are caught in their LIES. They find it difficult to admit it. They will continue to peddle that lie hoping someone will buy it and once that happens they reassure themselves that they are not lying. It is a deliberate attempt to mislead and manipulate the scriptures
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by MightySparrow: 9:17pm On Oct 12, 2023
achorladey:
The ability to intimidate people with their lies and manipulations of the scriptures na art and act they master in their religious gatherings every week grin grin grin grin
Organization against God.
grin grin grin
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by achorladey: 9:17pm On Oct 12, 2023
Sand2022:
These things are not flip flop. God help me. Where went your brain?
His brain submitted to mumu and no get sense peddling already. You at one time question his response to your post right? That's confirmation of his mumu and no get sense peddling on nairaland
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by MightySparrow: 9:18pm On Oct 12, 2023
Janosky:
MUMU Sparrow WAILING grin grin grin
Theos definition (God/a god) in that Bible you REFUSED TO STUDY
Show any early Greek version with your lie.
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by achorladey: 9:19pm On Oct 12, 2023
MightySparrow:
Organization against God.
grin grin grin
And their lying and manipulated brains will still come and tell us organization = God grin grin grin grin
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by MightySparrow: 9:25pm On Oct 12, 2023
Emusan:
In fact, I've used the same John 1 against their doctrine of Jesus was created.

Reading John 1:3 from their own NWT shows Jesus can't be created "All things came into existence through him,+ and apart from him NOT EVEN ONE THING came into existence. John 1:3 - NWT

1. All things came into existence through Christ. ( they couldn't smuggle in the word 'OTHER' here as they did with Col 1:16-18)

2. Focus on the CAPITALISED words "NOT EVEN ONE THING." So, how can a person with brain read something like this and still believe that the person talking about here is Created?



When it comes to the Holy Spirit, just show them John 16:13 from their own translation which state "However, when that one* comes, the spirit of the truth,+ he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come.+"

1. Holy Spirit is called 'HE'

2. Note @underlined "But what He HEARS He will SPEAK" which means Holy Spirit is a person you can talk to and He will talk to you back. (I remember showing this verse to one JW man he has to come back following week with elder to do manipulation as he didn't know such verse exists and was shocked that something like this was said about Holy Spirit). grin cheesy grin grin

3. At the end of the verse there is a plus(+) sign which is a reference to another verse, Acts 21:10, 11 "But after we had stayed there for quite a number of days, a prophet named Agʹa·busa came down from Ju·deʹa. 11 And he came to us and took Paul’s belt and tied his own feet and hands and said: “Thus says the holy spirit, ‘The man to whom this belt belongs will be bound like this by the Jews in Jerusalem,b and they will give him into the hands of people of the nations.’”c

Which is the evidence that Ho

ly Spirit actually speak to people.
They have made the Holy Spirit a stranger, and He has made them vagabonds.

Jehovah's False Witnesses.
If you read the Bible yourself, you will see the errors.
It is annoying when the blind wants to lead the seeing. By their next generation, they will have changed all things they wish should not have been in the Bible.
Dishonest, slaves.
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by MightySparrow: 9:30pm On Oct 12, 2023
achorladey:
And their lying and manipulated brains will still come and tell us organization = God grin grin grin grin
Anytime you ask them to let us go to Bible alone, they don't agree. You must follow their replacement of the Bible.

Organized Scriptural. Criminals.
Harassment does not equal to truth.
The only approved organization of the devil on earth today.
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by Sand2022(op): 9:38pm On Oct 12, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
The signs and wonders Paul was talking about was God's promise to the Israelites only:

After that I will pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, And your young men will see visions. And even on my male slaves and female slaves I will pour out my spirit in those days. Joel 2:28-29

That's what Peter reminded Jews that witnessed the event at Pentecost {Act 2:16-18} and Jesus expressly said such gifts are for the benefit of only the Israelites! Matthew 15:24

So that's not what Jesus promised as evidence of those doing God's will in the end time.

According to Jesus imperfect humans will come from different geographical locations on this planet and become peacemakers like himself! Act 1:8 compare to Isaiah:2-24; Micah 4:1-3

That's the one and only evidence of God's backing as for supernatural gifts all religions today have it what they can't produce is the disciples who are peacemakers and preachers like Jesus of Nazareth! Act 1:8

That's the FRUIT expected of Christianity! Matthew 7:16-18
This occured during Passover. Many came to Jerusalem from abroad. They perhaps didn't plan to stay long in Jerusalem. Now because of the new religion, which they are now part of, they stayed back. This multitude need to be fed. That necessitated the selling of property to feed them. That they sold properties indicates they were poor people. This is not a poverty alleviation program. It was done to feed these new disciples who stayed over.

You can't blame this program for the death of Annanias.
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:39pm On Oct 12, 2023
Sand2022:
God from heaven bore witness through miracles. That's the point.
Among the Israelites only that's what Jesus said! Matthew 15:24

Can you quote a verse where a none Israelites was given miraculous power? smiley
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by Janosky: 9:40pm On Oct 12, 2023
achorladey:
That Janosky needs to get away from that religious organization and stop peddling mumu and no get sense over scriptures to support lies and manipulations that even his GODS will be ashamed of


From their own Bible study notes.....

if you hold firmly to the good news: The resurrection, part of “the primary doctrine” of Christianity, was under attack in Corinth. (Heb 6:1, 2) Some were arguing that “there is no resurrection of the dead.” (1Co 15:12) Paul drew attention to those who said: “Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we are to die.” (1Co 15:32) He may have been quoting Isa 22:13, but those words well reflected the thinking of people influenced by such Greek philosophers as Epicurus, who denied that there was life after death. (Ac 17:32; see study note on 1Co 15:32.) Or some in the congregation who were of Jewish background may have been influenced by the beliefs of the Sadducees, who denied the resurrection. (Mr 12:18) Another possibility is that some felt that living Christians had already experienced some kind of spiritual resurrection. (2Ti 2:16-18) If the Corinthians failed to “hold firmly to the good news,” they would become believers for nothing​—their hope would not be fulfilled.​—See study note on 1Co 15:12.


Emusan said......



Janosky aka JaNosense says....



No wonder Janosky is called JaNosense your 9 GODS of men confirms that you are lying and manipulating their bible grin grin grin grin
These FAITHLESS miscreants behaving as if 1 Corinthians 15:12-13 is not in their Bibles.

If Jesus Christ did not resurrect would the dead resurrect?

Paul the apostle PROVEN that Jesus resurrection is the foundation of the belief in the resurrection of the dead.

These same FAITHLESS miscreants don't believe Jesus resurrected sef! grin grin grin grin
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by Janosky: 9:44pm On Oct 12, 2023
Emusan:
In fact, I've used the same John 1 against their doctrine of Jesus was created.

Reading John 1:3 from their own NWT shows Jesus can't be created "All things came into existence through him,+ and apart from him NOT EVEN ONE THING came into existence. John 1:3 - NWT

1. All things came into existence through Christ. ( they couldn't smuggle in the word 'OTHER' here as they did with Col 1:16-18)

2. Focus on the CAPITALISED words "NOT EVEN ONE THING." So, how can a person with brain read something like this and still believe that the person talking about here is Created?
Colossians 1:15 Jesus Christ the first born of every creature" KJV.

Revelation 3:14 Jesus Christ the beginning of the creation by God."

Romans 11:35-36 Jesus Christ came through whom? Emusan came through whom?

Emusan LIAR,Continue WAILING grin
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:44pm On Oct 12, 2023
Sand2022:
This occured during Passover. Many came to Jerusalem from abroad. They perhaps didn't plan to stay long in Jerusalem. Now because of the new religion, which they are now part of, they stayed back. This multitude need to be fed. That necessitated the selling of property to feed them. That they sold properties indicates they were poor people. This is not a poverty alleviation program. It was done to feed these new disciples who stayed over.
You can't blame this program for the death of Annanias.
My guy, it's wrong hiding behind a finger.

When people come together and each sold a property only to gather the money and share equally among themselves it's a poverty alleviation program explain it to anybody that's what they were trying to do against the teachings of Jesus who told them that there will always be poor ones among them!
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:48pm On Oct 12, 2023
Janosky:
Colossians 1:15 Jesus Christ the first born of every creature" KJV. Revelation 3:14 Jesus Christ the beginning of the creation by God."
Romans 11:35-36 Jesus Christ came through whom? Emusan LIAR,Continue WAILING grin
They thought everyone will be carried away with their nuisance on Nairaland! smiley
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by achorladey: 9:53pm On Oct 12, 2023
Janosky:
These FAITHLESS miscreants behaving as if 1 Corinthians 15:12-13 is not in their Bibles.

If Jesus Christ did not resurrect would the dead resurrect?

Paul the apostle PROVEN that Jesus resurrection is the foundation of the belief in the resurrection of the dead.

These same FAITHLESS miscreants don't believe Jesus resurrected sef! grin grin grin grin
Now he wants to start consolation of himself after your fraud of a Bible knowledge was exposed as mumu and no get sense peddling from your brains.

If Jesus Christ did not resurrect would the dead resurrect?
Mumu and no get sense peddling did not remember that people had experience resurrection before Jesus came to the earth. You are now peddling more mumu and no get sense peddling with if if if if if . Before Jesus death he resurrected people paapaa.

You see why you need to stop your mumu and no get sense peddling packed accompanied by lies and manipulations of the scriptures. grin grin
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by achorladey: 9:55pm On Oct 12, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
They thought everyone will be carried away with their nuisance on Nairaland! smiley
Your nuisance peddling earned you the reputation of insanities and madness peddling. Peddling lies and manipulations with no modicum of self respect.

We still remember your cry peddling about we mentioning or avoid you for one year in order to have unfettered access to peddle more madness and insanities coming from your brains
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:56pm On Oct 12, 2023
Wahala! Wahala!! Wahala!!! cheesy
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by achorladey: 9:57pm On Oct 12, 2023
MightySparrow:
Anytime you ask them to let us go to Bible alone, they don't agree. You must follow their replacement of the Bible.

Organized Scriptural. Criminals.
Harassment does not equal to truth.
The only approved organization of the devil on earth today.
grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

Harassment indeed is not equal to truth.
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by achorladey: 9:58pm On Oct 12, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Wahala! Wahala!! Wahala!!! cheesy
Remain in that state grin grin grin grin
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by achorladey: 9:59pm On Oct 12, 2023
Sand2022:
This occured during Passover. Many came to Jerusalem from abroad. They perhaps didn't plan to stay long in Jerusalem. Now because of the new religion, which they are now part of, they stayed back. This multitude need to be fed. That necessitated the selling of property to feed them. That they sold properties indicates they were poor people. This is not a poverty alleviation program. It was done to feed these new disciples who stayed over.

You can't blame this program for the death of Annanias.
That one knows he lies against the holy spirit already. Na to save face remain for am grin
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:04pm On Oct 12, 2023
achorladey:
That one knows he lies against the holy spirit already. Na to save face remain for am grin
He knows i have a valid indisputable point on that so your faithlessness is dead on arrival! wink
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by Janosky: 10:09pm On Oct 12, 2023
Emusan:
When it comes to the Holy Spirit, just show them John 16:13 from their own translation which state "However, when that one* comes, the spirit of the truth,+ he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come.+"

1. Holy Spirit is called 'HE'

2. Note @underlined "But what He HEARS He will SPEAK" which means Holy Spirit is a person you can talk to and He will talk to you back. (I remember showing this verse to one JW man he has to come back following week with elder to do manipulation as he didn't know such verse exists and was shocked that something like this was said about Holy Spirit). grin cheesy grin grin

3. At the end of the verse there is a plus(+) sign which is a reference to another verse, Acts 21:10, 11 "But after we had stayed there for quite a number of days, a prophet named Agʹa·busa came down from Ju·deʹa. 11 And he came to us and took Paul’s belt and tied his own feet and hands and said: “Thus says the holy spirit, ‘The man to whom this belt belongs will be bound like this by the Jews in Jerusalem,b and they will give him into the hands of people of the nations.’”c

Which is the evidence that Holy Spirit actually speak to people.
Your TRINITARIAN mentors ADDED your third deity into personhood during the 4th century. grin grin

John chapters 14 & 16, Jesus referred to holy spirit as Advocate (Greek Paracletos), this is a masculine noun in Greek, Paracletos is a he.
Holy spirit is a IT (neuter gender in Greek), for this reason ,Romans 8:16,26 your TRINITARIAN mentors confirmed that..
Screenshot evidence as examples.
(1). "Opaleye told the newspaper", is the newspaper a person?
No.
(2). "The Parliament Report said", is that Report a person?

Jesus breathed holy spirit upon the disciples.
Jesus did not breath another being into the disciples.

Their having holy spirit did not make them perfect.
Was another living being inside the disciples?
No !!

Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by Sand2022(op): 11:02pm On Oct 12, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
My guy, it's wrong hiding behind a finger.

When people come together and each sold a property only to gather the money and share equally among themselves it's a poverty alleviation program explain it to anybody that's what they were trying to do against the teachings of Jesus who told them that there will always be poor ones among them!
One 1980 article, under the heading " The motivating power of Christ's generosity" says concerning this event:

" Appreciation for Jesus Christ’s generosity promoted a fine spirit of giving among the early Christians. Shortly after the Christian congregation was founded, we are told: “There was not one in need among them; for all those who were possessors of fields or houses would sell them and bring the values of the things sold and they would deposit them at the feet of the apostles. In turn distribution would be made to each one, just as he would have the need.”​—Acts 4:34, 35"

People who were imitating Christ. Someone here is saying they are acting against the teaching of Christ.

I will start to ignore your post that are nonsensical and that insults the followers of Jesus. You need spiritual help.
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by Sand2022(op): 11:27pm On Oct 12, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Among the Israelites only that's what Jesus said! Matthew 15:24

Can you quote a verse where a none Israelites was given miraculous power? smiley
Gal 3:5; 1cor 12:28,29
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by Sand2022(op): 11:28pm On Oct 12, 2023
achorladey:
His brain submitted to mumu and no get sense peddling already. You at one time question his response to your post right? That's confirmation of his mumu and no get sense peddling on nairaland
Nawa o
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by johnw47: 12:44am On Oct 13, 2023
Janosky:
Your TRINITARIAN mentors ADDED your third deity into personhood during the 4th century. grin grin
John chapters 14 & 16, Jesus referred to holy spirit as Advocate (Greek Paracletos), this is a masculine noun in Greek, Paracletos is a he.
Holy spirit is a IT (neuter gender in Greek), for this reason ,Romans 8:16,26 your TRINITARIAN mentors confirmed that..
Screenshot evidence as examples.
(1). "Opaleye told the newspaper", is the newspaper a person?
No.
(2). "The Parliament Report said", is that Report a person?
Jesus breathed holy spirit upon the disciples.
Jesus did not breath another being into the disciples.
Their having holy spirit did not make them perfect.
Was another living being inside the disciples?
No !!
Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorn bushes under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool



most dum lost fraud jw janosky

ever loving to lie and blaspheme the Holy Spirit, teaching that He is a deity/a god, and teaching that He is not a person,
saying "spirit" = "it"

God and the angels are Spirits also, so according to you God and the angels are not persons but "it's"

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32  And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming.
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by johnw47: 12:51am On Oct 13, 2023
Janosky:
The same Sparrow whose gods of men mishear from your deities is WAILING on this forum.
Thank God, you have 1 Corinthians 15:12 in your Bible.
grin grin
Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorn bushes under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool



most dum lost fraud jw janosky

ever loving to lie and blaspheme the Father and the Son and Holy Spirit, teaching that They are deitys/gods,

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32  And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming.
Re: Charles Taze Russel Believed In The Divinity Of Christ. by MightySparrow: 1:26am On Oct 13, 2023
Emusan:
In fact, I've used the same John 1 against their doctrine of Jesus was created.

Reading John 1:3 from their own NWT shows Jesus can't be created "All things came into existence through him,+ and apart from him NOT EVEN ONE THING came into existence. John 1:3 - NWT

1. All things came into existence through Christ. ( they couldn't smuggle in the word 'OTHER' here as they did with Col 1:16-18)

2. Focus on the CAPITALISED words "NOT EVEN ONE THING." So, how can a person with brain read something like this and still believe that the person talking about here is Created?



When it comes to the Holy Spirit, just show them John 16:13 from their own translation which state "However, when that one* comes, the spirit of the truth,+ he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come.+"

1. Holy Spirit is called 'HE'

2. Note @underlined "But what He HEARS He will SPEAK" which means Holy Spirit is a person you can talk to and He will talk to you back. (I remember showing this verse to one JW man he has to come back following week with elder to do manipulation as he didn't know such verse exists and was shocked that something like this was said about Holy Spirit). grin cheesy grin grin

3. At the end of the verse there is a plus(+) sign which is a reference to another verse, Acts 21:10, 11 "But after we had stayed there for quite a number of days, a prophet named Agʹa·busa came down from Ju·deʹa. 11 And he came to us and took Paul’s belt and tied his own feet and hands and said: “Thus says the holy spirit, ‘The man to whom this belt belongs will be bound like this by the Jews in Jerusalem,b and they will give him into the hands of people of the nations.’”c

Which is the evidence that Holy Spirit actually speak to people.
Isa.48.16 - Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
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