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| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 7:51am On Oct 13, 2023 |
Qasim6:1. It is a decree of Allah that Muslims will enter the Fire only that later Allah will use Christians and Jews to ransome you. LOL! Does it make sense to you? No sir! There is no bridge as you would be IN the Fire. Quran 19:71 There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the Fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord Meaning that ALL Muslims will at least first be in Hell Fire AND this is your destiny as Muslims . Here is the Arabic if you do not like the translation above وَإِن مِّنكُمۡ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَاۚ كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتۡمࣰا مَّقۡضِیࣰّا Verses 72 removes all ambiguities about the fact that it is your destiny to enter hell fire. Quran 19:72 Then, We will save those who were cautious of Us, but the harmdoers shall be left there hobbling on their knees After ALL you Muslims enter the Fire, THEN Allah will THEREAFTER remove the Muslims and leave others in the Fire If you are on the Bridge as you claim, would the evil doers also be on the bridge? 2. Is it untrue that Even babies go to hell because of Allah's destiny in Islam? Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6435: Narrated Aisha: A child died and I said: There is happiness for this child who is a bird from amongst the birds of Paradise. Thereupon Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) said: Don't you know that Allah created the Paradise and He created the Hell and He created the dwellers for this (Paradise) and the denizens for this (Hell)? Is this hadith Maudu or Daif? |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 7:59am On Oct 13, 2023 |
Qasim6:Is this the answer to the questions Questions : 1. Who else do you know in history to have given a similar Narrative like this: apart from Jesus? 2. Who can we say is copying who with these narratives? 3. Why is it that Jesus is claiming that which only God can do as per judgment of mankind? 4. Is Jesus the Allah Muslims do not know? Allah and Your prophet disagrees with you bro, so please answer the questions |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by Qasim6(m): 8:15am On Oct 13, 2023 |
TenQ:What I am telling you is we can't rely on a forged book to know exactly what Jesus who was only sent to lost sheep of Israelites said or did not say. |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 8:25am On Oct 13, 2023 |
Qasim6:Unfortunately, you seem to know better than Allah and his prophet who even claimed that Mohammed's name is in our books. Quran 3:3-4 He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel, Before, as guidance for the people. Qur'an 5:46 And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous. Qur'an 5:110 [The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel Secondly, Let's assume that the Gospel is forged by fraudulent human beings: Can you explain why the Almighty Allah and his prophet are copying that which is forged and fraudulent 600 years after the deed? The questions are still here for you Questions : 1. Who else do you know in history to have given a similar Narrative like this: apart from Jesus? 2. Who can we say is copying who with these narratives? 3. Why is it that Jesus is claiming that which only God can do as per judgment of mankind? 4. Is Jesus the Allah Muslims do not know? |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by Qasim6(m): 8:48am On Oct 13, 2023 |
TenQ:You and I both know the earliest of those gospels was written like 90 years after Jesus. What were Christians using prior to that? When Allah is talking about scriptures, not this forgery of a book. Books we can't even say for sure who authored them. You can't claim God is copying from God We believe the same God that sent Jesus to Israelites Is the same God that sent Muhammad to all mankind, so there should be similarity in their message Let me give you a hint that will help you know where to draw a line to their forgeries. Do u know Quran claim Jesus was not killed not crucified? I'm sure you know. Have u checked the crucifixion story in all the gospels? It's a complete mess When Qur'an is telling you something and that forgery of a book is telling you otherwise, hold fast that which Qur'an says. |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 8:57am On Oct 13, 2023 |
Qasim6:You see that the excrement is still smelling at your buttocks. Let's assume that the Gospel was a forgery, why is Allah copying the same forgery 600 years after. Here it is again : Here is the narration from Allah according to Mohammed SAW Sahih Muslim 2569 Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying: Verily, Allah , the Exalted and Glorious, would say on the Day of Resurrection: O son of Adam, I was sick but you did not visit Me. He would say: O my Lord; how could I visit Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? Thereupon He would say: Didn't you know that such and such servant of Mine was sick but you did not visit him and were you not aware of this that if you had visited him, you would have found Me by him? O son of Adam, I asked food from you but you did not feed Me. He would say: My Lord, how could I feed Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? He said: Didn't you know that such and such servant of Mine asked food from you but you did not feed him, and were you not aware that if you had fed him you would have found him by My side? (The Lord would again say: ) O son of Adam, I asked drink from you but you did not provide Me. He would say: My Lord, how could I provide Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? Thereupon He would say: Such and such of servant of Mine asked you for a drink but you did not provide him, and had you provided him drink you would have found him near Me. This hadith above is repeated with slightly different wordings in 1. Hadith 18, 40 Hadith Qudsi On the authority of Abu Hurayrah 2. Mishkat al-Masabih 1528 On the authority of Abu Huraira Here is Jesus saying a more detailed version of the narration in the Bible. Mat 25:31-46: "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say to them on his right hand, Come, you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungered, and you gave me meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in: Naked, and you clothed me: I was sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we you an hungered, and fed you? or thirsty, and gave you drink? When saw we you a stranger, and took you in? or naked, and clothed you? Or when saw we you sick, or in prison, and came to you? And the King shall answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you have done it to one of the least of these my brothers, you have done it to me. Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungered, and you gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and you visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we you an hungered, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to you? Then shall he answer them, saying, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." We can see that these storylines are very similar to each other. The narrators are Jesus and Allah. Questions : 1. Who else do you know in history to have given a similar Narrative like this: apart from Jesus? 2. Who can we say is copying who with these narratives? 3. Why is it that Jesus is claiming that which only God can do as per judgment of mankind? 4. Is Jesus the Allah Muslims do not know? Qur'an 5:72 They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allāh is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allāh, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allāh - Allāh has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. The questions are precise and easy to answer. Did the forgers read the mind of Allah? |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by Qasim6(m): 9:14am On Oct 13, 2023 |
TenQ:You are still not using the Brain God give you. The same God that sent Jesus to Israelites is the same God that sent Muhammad to all mankind. Their message should be more or less the same If hadith qudsi is telling us those are going to be words of Allah on judgement day, and Matthew or whosoever that forged that book is telling us is going to be words of Jesus. That's where you draw a line to their forgeries. You get it now?? |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 9:21am On Oct 13, 2023 |
Qasim6:Let us assume that the Bible has a messed up narration of the crucifixion of Jesus buy at least, they seem to have a storyline. I assume that Allah in his immensity should be able to narrate a better account of the crucifixion of Jesus isn't it. Qur'an 4:157-158 And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise Tell me 1. How did another person get crucified instead of Jesus and no one suspected? Did Jesus have an identical twin brother? 2. When did Allah raise Jesus to himself? Was it before or after his supposed crucifixion? 3. Did Allah inform Mary the Mother of Jesus or his Disciples that Jesus was not the one on the cross? 4. It is understandable if Allah decieved both the Jews and the Romans : Why did Allah deceive Mary the mother of Jesus, the Disciples and Followers of Jesus about the crucifixion and death of Jesus? If you can explain this satisfactorily, I consider me reciting the sahada. Thank you |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 9:35am On Oct 13, 2023 |
Qasim6:1. No sir! It is not the same God who sent Jesus and Mohammed. Proof: The Name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Isaac and Jacob is YHWH - Yahweh . Jesus's name actually means "Yahweh Saves"! The name of the God of Mohammed is Allah Is the name of the God of the Muslims YHWH? No! Sorry, Mohammed is the impostor! 2. You can see how you are using your brain! Mathew went 600 years into the future and copied the words of Allah that Allah was supposed to speak 700 year later. |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by Qasim6(m): 9:36am On Oct 13, 2023 |
TenQ:First thing first, before I continue with this conversation Do you know there are early Christians that refute this crucifixion resurrection hogwash? |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by Qasim6(m): 9:50am On Oct 13, 2023 |
TenQ:You guys are reading too much into this Yahweh which is just same as Ya huwa (oh he) in Arabic. Last I check, Elah is the Aramaic word for God. If you are using your brain, you will know what I'm saying is Mathew the forger change the words by attributing what is going to be the words of God to Jesus |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 9:57am On Oct 13, 2023 |
Qasim6:Knowing you Muslims that you don't keep your words, I will respond to your Question. Yes their were heretical sects who came up at about 200-250 years after the death of Christ to refute the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Their argument was that 1. Jesus was a spirit and thus could not be harmed and Simon was the one crucified contrary to the scriptures. 2. Jesus as God would not allow himself to be humiliated by mankind They even said that while Simon was being taken to be Crucified, Jesus was laughing at the procession. 1. Do you believe in the Ahmadiya doctrine? Is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad the Promised Messiah and Mahdi according to your prophet Mohammed? 2. Do you believe that after Mohammed, and there are other prophets of Allah and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is a prophet of Allah? Do you think this view of the Ahmadi reflect the true teaching of Islam? Now that I have answered your questions, please can you now answer mine? Tell me 1. How did another person get crucified instead of Jesus and no one suspected? Did Jesus have an identical twin brother? 2. When did Allah raise Jesus to himself? Was it before or after his supposed crucifixion? 3. Did Allah inform Mary the Mother of Jesus or his Disciples that Jesus was not the one on the cross? 4. It is understandable if Allah decieved both the Jews and the Romans : Why did Allah deceive Mary the mother of Jesus, the Disciples and Followers of Jesus about the crucifixion and death of Jesus? Please don't lump up the answers: take them by Numbers ! |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 10:03am On Oct 13, 2023 |
Qasim6:Muslims with Taqqiya! Let's assume that you are correct! 1. Is it TRUE that Allah has 99 names? 2. I challenge you to show me which of the 99 names of Allah is "Ya Huwa" ? You can tell lies to people who are ignorant of Islam. |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by Qasim6(m): 10:33am On Oct 13, 2023 |
TenQ:Lol no be only Taqqiya When we are saying 99 names of Allah, it doesn't mean Allah is restricted to 99 names. Allah did not say anywhere I only have 99 names. Those are just the names we are able to collect from the Qur'an. For example in Quran 112 vs 1 he says Qul huwallahu ahad Say He, Allah is one. And Ya is just a suffix to address someone. |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by ANTIlSLAM(m): 12:30pm On Oct 13, 2023 |
allah the copycat, #TenQ thank you for exposing them |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 1:53pm On Oct 13, 2023 |
Qasim6:Show me a Tafsir or a Hadith that agree with you except you are manufacturing conjectures as usual. That was how someone said Hallelujah is Allah Akbar and some of you people will believe it. Show me the compilations of the name of your God Allah that has "Ya Huwa". So, what is the meaning of the names 1. Yakub 2. Zacharyah 3. Yahaya |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by SIRTee15: 2:22pm On Oct 13, 2023 |
Qasim6:God didn't send Muhammad my friend. Stop lying. You may say Allah sent him bit not God Almighty. |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by SIRTee15: 2:27pm On Oct 13, 2023*. Modified: 3:09pm On Oct 13, 2023 |
TenQ u forgot the biggest one. Jesus called himself the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Revelation 12 Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End Allah stole Jesus divine title and named himself the first and the last. Now my question for Muslims, why is Allah stealing Jesus divine title? Why is he not novel or original in thoughts? |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by FxMasterz: 2:39pm On Oct 13, 2023 |
SIRTee15:Na wá o. I'll like to hear antichristian's defence on this. May God have mercy on deceived Muslims. |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 3:42pm On Oct 13, 2023 |
ANTIlSLAM:Just imagine One of them is saying that Yahweh is "Ya Huwa" in Arabic. I have asked him to show me which of the 99 names of Allah is "Ya Huwa" to no avail. Instead of answering the question, they are say 600 years before Islam Mathew the forger changed the words by attributing what is going to be the words of God to Jesus Mathew must be another prophet of Allah to know this secret |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 3:57pm On Oct 13, 2023 |
Qasim6:Qur'an 112:1 قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ Say, "He is Allah, [Who is] One of... , Ahad everywhere in the Qur'an means ONE OF Does Ahad mean ONE? Show me a sample sentence! |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 4:01pm On Oct 13, 2023 |
FxMasterz:AntiChristian has been pummelled into submission : he is currently feigning deaf and dumb. He couldn't even find a diversionary post from his favourite former pastor turned imam. LOL! |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 4:09pm On Oct 13, 2023 |
SIRTee15:Thank you my brother for this reminder. Muslims forget that in turning Mohammed into the equivalent of Jesus of the Christians, and they unknowingly turn him into God and partner with Allah. With respect to Allah copying Jesus, Mohammed one of them Instead of answering the question, said 600 years before Islam Mathew the forger changed the words by attributing what is going to be the words of God to Jesus Can you imagine this effrontery? |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by FxMasterz: 4:16pm On Oct 13, 2023 |
TenQ:Lol. May God have mercy on him. |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 4:38pm On Oct 13, 2023 |
FxMasterz:Amen o! These people despise the truth. They would rather go to the hell Allah destined for them while hoping for the sex orgy that would follow after Allah has used Christians and Jews as ransom for them. SMH! |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by Qasim6(m): 6:35pm On Oct 13, 2023 |
TenQ:As early as Christianity started The only GENUINE early source we have for Jesus crucifixion is Paul and his camp writings, you are free to proof me wrong. And in Galatians 3:1 We see Paul scolding the Galatians ' O foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, that you should not believe the truth, Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. The question is who is bewitching them to think otherwise? And here is also a part of letter st Ignatius of Antioch who lived in the first century wrote to the Magnesians 'Those, then, who lived by ancient practices arrived at a new hope. They ceased to keep the Sabbath and lived by the Lord’s Day, on which our life as well as theirs shone forth, thanks to Him and his death, though some deny this. Through this mystery we got our faith, .............' |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by Qasim6(m): 6:46pm On Oct 13, 2023 |
TenQ:For real You need Tafsir for meaning of Huwa or Ya? Have shown you example of Allah using third person singular pronoun for himself (Huwa), and Ya is just a suffix. |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by ANTIlSLAM(m): 7:09pm On Oct 13, 2023 |
TenQ:Don't mind them, brainwashed people.. They will utter what they can't defend |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by Qasim6(m): 7:24pm On Oct 13, 2023 |
SIRTee15:Ok If what you mean by God is the God that sent Abraham, Moses, Jesus then I'm sorry to burst ur bubbles my friend, that same God sent Muhammad to all mankind. Except if you can use ur Bible knowledge to identify these distinct 3 personality that was asked of John the Baptist and he deny to be any of the 3 and bare in mind John the Baptist is a prophet. Are you Christ? Are you Elijah? Are you that Prophet? |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by FxMasterz: 7:28pm On Oct 13, 2023 |
TenQ:Antichristian once told me explicitly that he'll be anticipating his share of sexual enjoyment in paradise. How can anyone even think of paradise as a place of sexual enjoyment? |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by SIRTee15: 8:02pm On Oct 13, 2023 |
Qasim6:What has above got to do with God not sending Muhammed. U need to explain the link btw your question and my claim b4 I answer. Not ready for irrelevant question. Muhammed wasn't sent by God. Reading the Qur'an makes it obvious. Muhammed didn't know who exactly is the holy spirit. Every prophet of God has the holy spirit in them because that's the only way u hear from God. He reach Muhammed's turn, he confused holy spirit with angel Gabriel. Muhammed didn't know the name of God he gave to mankind to call him. God promised his covenant to mankind will be through Isaac and not ishmael. It was a clear promise God gave Abraham. Muhammad isn't from the lineage of Isaac. Muhammed didn't know who exactly is the Messiah. According to Jewish tradition, a Messiah is the anointed one who will save his people and establish an everlasting kingdom on earth. Jews look forward to this Messiah. Muhammed called Jesus the Messiah, but rejected any divinity claimant associated with Jesus. Muhammed claimed the Koran is from God. Then it should be accurate and free from errors. However, the Koran has embarrassing gaffs that question if the writer has any understanding of Abrahamic faith. For example, Koran wrote the Jews claimed to have killed their Messiah, Jesus son of Mary. One,.Jews don't recognise Jesus as their Messiah and two, Jews would not killed someone they believe is their Messiah. Muhammed is a false prophet, his pattern of ministry is predictable for all false prophets. They start as pacifist but when the going gets hot, they lose their cool and become violent. |
| Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 8:22pm On Oct 13, 2023 |
Qasim6:I hope you realise that you have not kept your promise. I answered your question, haven't I? |
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