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Qasim6:
As early as Christianity started

The only GENUINE early source we have for Jesus crucifixion is Paul and his camp writings, you are free to proof me wrong.

And in Galatians 3:1 We see Paul scolding the Galatians ' O foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, that you should not believe the truth, Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.

The question is who is bewitching them to think otherwise?

And here is also a part of letter st Ignatius of Antioch who lived in the first century wrote to the Magnesians�

'Those, then, who lived by ancient practices arrived at a new hope. They ceased to keep the
Sabbath and lived by the Lord’s Day, on which our life as well as theirs shone forth, thanks to Him
and his death, though some deny this. Through this mystery we got our faith, .............'

My Questions please

Tell me
1. How did another person get crucified instead of Jesus and no one suspected?
Did Jesus have an identical twin brother?
2. When did Allah raise Jesus to himself?
Was it before or after his supposed crucifixion?
3. Did Allah inform Mary the Mother of Jesus or his Disciples that Jesus was not the one on the cross?
4. It is understandable if Allah decieved both the Jews and the Romans : Why did Allah deceive Mary the mother of Jesus, the Disciples and Followers of Jesus about the crucifixion and death of Jesus?

Number by number please

Qasim6:
For real

You need Tafsir for meaning of Huwa or Ya?

Have shown you example of Allah using third person singular pronoun for himself (Huwa), and Ya is just a suffix.

Meaning that you are making a conjecture.

If Allah's name is Ya Huwa, Mohammed should have known about it. Or, are you also a prophet of Islam?

Can anyone invent names for Allah?

Qasim6:
For real

You need Tafsir for meaning of Huwa or Ya?

Have shown you example of Allah using third person singular pronoun for himself (Huwa), and Ya is just a suffix.

Meaning that you are making a conjecture.

If Allah's name is Ya Huwa, Mohammed should have known about it. Or, are you also a prophet of Islam?

Which of your scholars agree with you
Ibn Abbas, Ibn Kathir, Ibn Majah etc?

Are you saying by Allah that you worship Yahweh?

Can anyone invent names for Allah?

ANTIlSLAM:
Don't mind them, brainwashed people.. They will utter what they can't defend

Why satan has blinded them to this depth is a mystery!

Until they are at the gate of hell, they would be dreaming of the sex orgy awaiting the in Jannah

FxMasterz:
Antichristian once told me explicitly that he'll be anticipating his share of sexual enjoyment in paradise. How can anyone even think of paradise as a place of sexual enjoyment?

Islam is a religion of this earth. They have enticed people with the sensuality and booze.
Only satan tempts people with sex, Booze, alcohol and debauchery! Allah succeeded with this.

TenQ:
Islam is a religion of this earth. They have enticed people with the sensuality and booze.
Only satan tempts people with sex, Booze, alcohol and debauchery! Allah succeeded with this.

Why can't they see? The deception is too obvious.

FxMasterz:
Why can't they see? The deception is too obvious.

It is obvious but deep. Islam is a demonic bondage, this is why they behave alike thinking they serve God.

The Al-Makir has decieved them through Mohammed the greatest 419 in history of mankind

*Why does Allah copy Jesus?
*Who said these words: Jesus or Allah?
*Who is copying who in this message?

Background Summary:
1. It is the day of Judgement
2. God is on the throne and judging the acts of men (sons of Adam) .
3. God says "I was sick but you didn't visit me!"
And the Unrighteous replied :
"You are the Lord of the World's: when did we see you sick but you didn't visit you? "
4. God says that He is the neighbour who these men did or did not give their help.
5. God says: If these men had helped their neighbours, they would have found out it was God they were helping

I am sure most Muslims have not heard this hadith before.

Here is the narration from Allah according to Mohammed SAW


Sahih Muslim 2569
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying:
Verily, Allah , the Exalted and Glorious, would say on the Day of Resurrection: O son of Adam, I was sick but you did not visit Me. He would say: O my Lord; how could I visit Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? Thereupon He would say: Didn't you know that such and such servant of Mine was sick but you did not visit him and were you not aware of this that if you had visited him, you would have found Me by him? O son of Adam, I asked food from you but you did not feed Me. He would say: My Lord, how could I feed Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? He said: Didn't you know that such and such servant of Mine asked food from you but you did not feed him, and were you not aware that if you had fed him you would have found him by My side? (The Lord would again say: ) O son of Adam, I asked drink from you but you did not provide Me. He would say: My Lord, how could I provide Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? Thereupon He would say: Such and such of servant of Mine asked you for a drink but you did not provide him, and had you provided him drink you would have found him near Me.


This hadith above is repeated with slightly different wordings in
1. Hadith 18, 40 Hadith Qudsi
On the authority of Abu Hurayrah
2. Mishkat al-Masabih 1528
On the authority of Abu Huraira

Here is Jesus saying a more detailed version of the narration in the Bible.

Mat 25:31-46:
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say to them on his right hand, Come, you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungered, and you gave me meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in: Naked, and you clothed me: I was sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we you an hungered, and fed you? or thirsty, and gave you drink? When saw we you a stranger, and took you in? or naked, and clothed you? Or when saw we you sick, or in prison, and came to you? And the King shall answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you have done it to one of the least of these my brothers, you have done it to me. Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungered, and you gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and you visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we you an hungered, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to you? Then shall he answer them, saying, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

We can see that these storylines are very similar to each other. The narrators are Jesus and Allah.



Questions :
1. Who else do you know in history to have given a similar Narrative like this: apart from Jesus?
2. Who can we say is copying who with these narratives?
3. Why is it that Jesus is claiming that which only God can do as per judgment of mankind?
4. Is Jesus the Allah Muslims do not know?
Qur'an 5:72
They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allāh is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allāh, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allāh - Allāh has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.




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TenQ:
It is obvious but deep. Islam is a demonic bondage, this is why they behave alike thinking they serve God.

The Al-Makir has decieved them through Mohammed the greatest 419 in history of mankind

You're correct.

Why you no dey copy truthday? He is so ignorant that even his antichristian posts don't make any sense to his fellow muslims.

FxMasterz:
You're correct.

Why you no dey copy truthday? He is so ignorant that even his antichristian posts don't make any sense to his fellow muslims.

I have probably never come across him. I normally copy Muslims who have engaged me on religion. I will check out his posts.


Have a good night rest

TenQ:
I have probably never come across him. I normally copy Muslims who have engaged me on religion. I will check out his posts.


Have a good night rest

You must have come across him. You probably didn't notice his monika. Once you check out his posts, you would remember him. He often creates funny and offpoints topics.

Wishing you a blissful night too.

Qasim6:
First thing first, before I continue with this conversation
Do you know there are early Christians that refute this crucifixion resurrection hogwash?

Mention the sect and provide evidence they exist.

SIRTee15:
Mention the sect and provide evidence they exist.

Don't mind him. he There were two heretical sects 200-250 yeas after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ that claimed that Jesus was a spirit being and thus couldn't die and someone else probably Simon was crucified.
These was probably where Mohammed copied his story of Jesus's crucifixion.
Docetists and Basilidains are the sects

FxMasterz:
You must have come across him. You probably didn't notice his monika. Once you check out his posts, you would remember him. He often creates funny and offpoints topics.

Wishing you a blissful night too.

I checked his profile. I He doesn't seem to post much original posts. I This is probably why I don't know him.

TenQ:
I checked his profile. I He doesn't seem to post much original posts. I This is probably why I don't know him.

Okay bro. Don't forget to add him to your mentions.

FxMasterz:
Okay bro. Don't forget to add him to your mentions.

I have done so.

It is difficult to defend Islam factually because it is a religion based on cascades of lies all aimed at getting people away from the Messiah!

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TenQ:
I have done so.

It is difficult to defend Islam factually because it is a religion based on cascades of lies all aimed at getting people away from the Messiah!

That's why they all run away. Even legalwolf, the 'professor of samaritanism' has given himself some space. Antichristian is frantically searching the net to find new blogs as sources for counter threads since his formerly regurgitated topics are now stale.

In all these, they don't ever look inwards and examine what they are worshipping. After each stunning exposure to which they have no answer, still in their confused state, they'll enter the next available mosque to continue worshipping a lie. Meanwhile, they're forbidden to ask questions. After a while, they'll rationalize and say "Allah knows best", and then continue in their self deceit. The 'Best of Deceivers' has control of their minds. He never allows them to reason out of captivity into liberty. It takes the miraculous work of the Holy Spirit for a Muslim to be saved. People like Speaklove, a former Muslim can bear me witness.

FxMasterz:
That's why they all run away. Even legalwolf, the 'professor of samaritanism' has given himself some space. Antichristian is frantically searching the net to find new blogs as sources for counter threads since his formerly regurgitated topics are now stale.

In all these, they don't ever look inwards and examine what they are worshipping. After each stunning exposure to which they have no answer, still in their confused state, they'll enter the next available mosque to continue worshipping a lie. Meanwhile, they're forbidden to ask questions. After a while, they'll rationalize and say "Allah knows best", and then continue in their self deceit. The 'Best of Deceivers' has control of their minds. He never allows them to reason out of captivity into liberty. It takes the miraculous work of the Holy Spirit for a Muslim to be saved. People like Speaklove, a former Muslim can bear me witness.

LegalWolf has come to his senses as the cool weather in UK has allowed his brain to see the indefensiblilty of the Islamic position. He knows now that Islam is like an attempt the fetch water with a basket.

As for AntiChristian, it seems that he has exhausted his copy-paste writeup from his favourite impostor pastor Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman.

The post here is glaring.

How come the Almighty Allah is copying the original Sayings of Jesus said almost 700 years before Islam. Who is copying who?

The others are silently chanting la illah illah to drown out reasons from their head

TenQ:
*Why does Allah copy Jesus?
*Who said these words: Jesus or Allah?
*Who is copying who in this message?

Background Summary:
1. It is the day of Judgement
2. God is on the throne and judging the acts of men (sons of Adam) .
3. God says "I was sick but you didn't visit me!"
And the Unrighteous replied :
"You are the Lord of the World's: when did we see you sick but you didn't visit you? "
4. God says that He is the neighbour who these men did or did not give their help.
5. God says: If these men had helped their neighbours, they would have found out it was God they were helping

I am sure most Muslims have not heard this hadith before.

Here is the narration from Allah according to Mohammed SAW


Sahih Muslim 2569
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying:
Verily, Allah , the Exalted and Glorious, would say on the Day of Resurrection: O son of Adam, I was sick but you did not visit Me. He would say: O my Lord; how could I visit Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? Thereupon He would say: Didn't you know that such and such servant of Mine was sick but you did not visit him and were you not aware of this that if you had visited him, you would have found Me by him? O son of Adam, I asked food from you but you did not feed Me. He would say: My Lord, how could I feed Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? He said: Didn't you know that such and such servant of Mine asked food from you but you did not feed him, and were you not aware that if you had fed him you would have found him by My side? (The Lord would again say: ) O son of Adam, I asked drink from you but you did not provide Me. He would say: My Lord, how could I provide Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? Thereupon He would say: Such and such of servant of Mine asked you for a drink but you did not provide him, and had you provided him drink you would have found him near Me.


This hadith above is repeated with slightly different wordings in
1. Hadith 18, 40 Hadith Qudsi
On the authority of Abu Hurayrah
2. Mishkat al-Masabih 1528
On the authority of Abu Huraira

Here is Jesus saying a more detailed version of the narration in the Bible.

Mat 25:31-46:
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say to them on his right hand, Come, you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungered, and you gave me meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in: Naked, and you clothed me: I was sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we you an hungered, and fed you? or thirsty, and gave you drink? When saw we you a stranger, and took you in? or naked, and clothed you? Or when saw we you sick, or in prison, and came to you? And the King shall answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you have done it to one of the least of these my brothers, you have done it to me. Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungered, and you gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and you visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we you an hungered, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to you? Then shall he answer them, saying, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

We can see that these storylines are very similar to each other. The narrators are Jesus and Allah.



Questions :
1. Who else do you know in history to have given a similar Narrative like this: apart from Jesus?
2. Who can we say is copying who with these narratives?
3. Why is it that Jesus is claiming that which only God can do as per judgment of mankind?
4. Is Jesus the Allah Muslims do not know?
Qur'an 5:72
They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allāh is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allāh, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allāh - Allāh has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.




Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise
Cc:
All my Friends on Nairaland:
LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, aekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, atsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana , compton11, Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore Akinbahm , IMEI , FATHAT , talk2hb1 , iamrealdeji , Encyclopedia1 , SWATMan rolams aheeqilmaktoom , Bintdawood , Flanker , Raheeqilmaktoom , rolams ,honesttalk21 , Negroid001 , Nvestor02 , Coolsat, iamrealdeji madridguy Almunjid MohammadSAW , STRI1 Explore2xmore satmaniac Ohyoudidnt , 4islam ThatFairGuy1 BroOptimist. Bakrabas. Musa95 Ibrahimlagosian Explore2xmore
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Allah itself is a bad copy of the original Go

TenQ:
LegalWolf has come to his senses as the cool weather in UK has allowed his brain to see the indefensiblilty of the Islamic position. He knows now that Islam is like an attempt the fetch water with a basket.

As for AntiChristian, it seems that he has exhausted his copy-paste writeup from his favourite impostor pastor Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman.

The post here is glaring.

How come the Almighty Allah is copying the original Sayings of Jesus said almost 700 years before Islam. Who is copying who?

The others are silently chanting la illah illah to drown out reasons from their head

Allah itself is a bad copy of the original God.

TenQ:
Meaning that you are making a conjecture.

If Allah's name is Ya Huwa, Mohammed should have known about it. Or, are you also a prophet of Islam?

Which of your scholars agree with you
Ibn Abbas, Ibn Kathir, Ibn Majah etc?

Are you saying by Allah that you worship Yahweh?

Can anyone invent names for Allah?

No, I'm not a prophet. Muhammad is the seal of prophethood

Islam is a religion of common sense, it is not a religion where every Tom, dick and Harry claim one evil ghost revealed something to them.

Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic are all Semitic language and they share same root.

What I pointed out to you is that you guys are making a big deal out of the name Yahweh.
A name there is no record of Jesus using, but Ellah that there is record of him using is of no significant to you.

What if I tell you that the name Allah is not a big deal?

Ellah mean DEITY: and any Deity can be called Allah!

Qasim6:
No, I'm not a prophet. Muhammad is the seal of prophethood

Islam is a religion of common sense, it is not a religion where every Tom, dick and Harry claim one evil ghost revealed something to them.

Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic are all Semitic language and they share same root.

What I pointed out to you is that you guys are making a big deal out of the name Yahweh.
A name there is no record of Jesus using, but Ellah that there is record of him using is of no significant to you.

And all I am asking for is the proof, I reference or authority for your conjecture.

Talk is cheep sir.

Is Hallelujah the same in meaning to Alahuakbar? Some people will claim it is.

I asked you a simple question from the manes in your Quran which you shouldn't have any problem answering as Arabic and Hebrew are semitic languages.

So, what is the meaning of the names from your Qur'an
1. Yakub
2. Zacharyah
3. Yahaya

Are you saying by Allah that you worship Yahweh?

Can anyone invent new names for Allah in Islam?

Show us evidence from your early scholars that Ya Huwa is the name of Allah?



Very simple questions!
Talk is cheep o!

MightySparrow:
Allah itself is a bad copy of the original Go





Allah itself is a bad copy of the original God.

Islam is an example of brainwashing.

When a Falsehood is repeated almost daily and consistently, I the lie seem to look like the truth. Even though the behavior of Mohammed is worse than that of a typical contemporary Muslim, Book they still believe that one certain angel Jibril came to him and gave him the Qur'an.

On this Falsehood every other lie they promote is based

TenQ:
What if I tell you that the name Allah is not a big deal?

Ellah mean DEITY: and any Deity can be called Allah!


And all I am asking for is the proof, I reference or authority for your conjecture.

Talk is cheep sir.

Is Hallelujah the same in meaning to Alahuakbar? Some people will claim it is.

I asked you a simple question from the manes in your Quran which you shouldn't have any problem answering as Arabic and Hebrew are semitic languages.

So, what is the meaning of the names from your Qur'an
1. Yakub
2. Zacharyah
3. Yahaya

Are you saying by Allah that you worship Yahweh?

Can anyone invent new names for Allah in Islam?

Show us evidence from your early scholars that Ya Huwa is the name of Allah?



Very simple questions!
Talk is cheep o!

Be kind to point out where I say Ya Huwa is part of Allah's name.

MightySparrow:
Allah itself is a bad copy of the original Go





Allah itself is a bad copy of the original God.

Chai! You no lie.

I have warned you many times to stop my mentions in this your gossips and falsehood!

Soon you'll be banned and move to your other moniker!

Lairs!

Qasim6:
Be kind to point out where I say Ya Huwa is part of Allah's name.

It started with this my claims you refuted with

Qasim6:
You are still not using the Brain God give you.
The same God that sent Jesus to Israelites is the same God that sent Muhammad to all mankind. Their message should be more or less the same

If hadith qudsi is telling us those are going to be words of Allah on judgement day, and Matthew or whosoever that forged that book is telling us is going to be words of Jesus. That's where you draw a line to their forgeries. You get it now??

I responded with a disclaimer

TenQ:
1. No sir!
It is not the same God who sent Jesus and Mohammed.
Proof:
The Name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Isaac and Jacob is YHWH - Yahweh . Jesus's name actually means "Yahweh Saves"!
The name of the God of Mohammed is Allah

Is the name of the God of the Muslims YHWH?
No!

Sorry, Mohammed is the impostor!
....

You responded with

Qasim6:
You guys are reading too much into this Yahweh which is just same as Ya huwa (oh he) in Arabic.

Last I check, Elah is the Aramaic word for God.
...

I then gave you a challenge

TenQ:
Muslims with Taqqiya!

Let's assume that you are correct!

1. Is it TRUE that Allah has 99 names?
2. I challenge you to show me which of the 99 names of Allah is "Ya Huwa" ?

You can tell lies to people who are ignorant of Islam.

You responded with

Qasim6:
Lol
no be only Taqqiya
When we are saying 99 names of Allah, it doesn't mean Allah is restricted to 99 names. Allah did not say anywhere I only have 99 names. Those are just the names we are able to collect from the Qur'an.

For example in Quran 112 vs 1 he says

Qul huwallahu ahad

Say He, Allah is one.

And Ya is just a suffix to address someone.

Again I said:

TenQ:
Show me a Tafsir or a Hadith that agree with you except you are manufacturing conjectures as usual.

That was how someone said Hallelujah is Allah Akbar and some of you people will believe it.

Show me the compilations of the name of your God Allah that has "Ya Huwa".

So, what is the meaning of the names
1. Yakub
2. Zacharyah
3. Yahaya

So, my friend!

Are you backtracking your claim that Yahweh and Allah is the same God?

Are you backtracking your claim that Yahweh is Ya Huwa and the name is the name of the same God Allah?


This is why I prefer to debate Muslims with texts rather than with words because they can say something and deny it the next minute.

*Why does Allah copy Jesus?
*Who said these words: Jesus or Allah?
*Who is copying who in this message?

Background Summary:
1. It is the day of Judgement
2. God is on the throne and judging the acts of men (sons of Adam) .
3. God says "I was sick but you didn't visit me!"
And the Unrighteous replied :
"You are the Lord of the World's: when did we see you sick but you didn't visit you? "
4. God says that He is the neighbour who these men did or did not give their help.
5. God says: If these men had helped their neighbours, they would have found out it was God they were helping

I am sure most Muslims have not heard this hadith before.

Here is the narration from Allah according to Mohammed SAW


Sahih Muslim 2569
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying:
Verily, Allah , the Exalted and Glorious, would say on the Day of Resurrection: O son of Adam, I was sick but you did not visit Me. He would say: O my Lord; how could I visit Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? Thereupon He would say: Didn't you know that such and such servant of Mine was sick but you did not visit him and were you not aware of this that if you had visited him, you would have found Me by him? O son of Adam, I asked food from you but you did not feed Me. He would say: My Lord, how could I feed Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? He said: Didn't you know that such and such servant of Mine asked food from you but you did not feed him, and were you not aware that if you had fed him you would have found him by My side? (The Lord would again say: ) O son of Adam, I asked drink from you but you did not provide Me. He would say: My Lord, how could I provide Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? Thereupon He would say: Such and such of servant of Mine asked you for a drink but you did not provide him, and had you provided him drink you would have found him near Me.


This hadith above is repeated with slightly different wordings in
1. Hadith 18, 40 Hadith Qudsi
On the authority of Abu Hurayrah
2. Mishkat al-Masabih 1528
On the authority of Abu Huraira

Here is Jesus saying a more detailed version of the narration in the Bible.

Mat 25:31-46:
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say to them on his right hand, Come, you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungered, and you gave me meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in: Naked, and you clothed me: I was sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we you an hungered, and fed you? or thirsty, and gave you drink? When saw we you a stranger, and took you in? or naked, and clothed you? Or when saw we you sick, or in prison, and came to you? And the King shall answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you have done it to one of the least of these my brothers, you have done it to me. Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungered, and you gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and you visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we you an hungered, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to you? Then shall he answer them, saying, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

We can see that these storylines are very similar to each other. The narrators are Jesus and Allah.



Questions :
1. Who else do you know in history to have given a similar Narrative like this: apart from Jesus?
2. Who can we say is copying who with these narratives?
3. Why is it that Jesus is claiming that which only God can do as per judgment of mankind?
4. Is Jesus the Allah Muslims do not know?
Qur'an 5:72
They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allāh is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allāh, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allāh - Allāh has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.

AbuTwins:
I have warned you many times to stop my mentions in this your gossips and falsehood!

Soon you'll be banned and move to your other moniker!

Lairs!

Gossips and Falsehood!?

Here above are my references if you didn't read them. They are from your religious books o.


I ask you again :
How come the Almighty Allah is copying the original Sayings of Jesus said almost 700 years before Islam. Who is copying who?

Qasim6:
As early as Christianity started

The only GENUINE early source we have for Jesus crucifixion is Paul and his camp writings, you are free to proof me wrong.

And in Galatians 3:1 We see Paul scolding the Galatians ' O foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, that you should not believe the truth, Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.

The question is who is bewitching them to think otherwise?

And here is also a part of letter st Ignatius of Antioch who lived in the first century wrote to the Magnesians�

'Those, then, who lived by ancient practices arrived at a new hope. They ceased to keep the
Sabbath and lived by the Lord’s Day, on which our life as well as theirs shone forth, thanks to Him
and his death, though some deny this. Through this mystery we got our faith, .............'

All early Christians- those that knew Jesus or met the apostles believed in the crucifixion and ressurection of Jesus Christ.
The early Jewish Christians confirmed it, the apostolic fathers believed it.

All non biblical historical evidence of Jesus Christ focused on is death.

Tallus in 50 AD wrote about the darkness and earthquake that happened on the eve of Passover referencing the day Christ was killed.

Josephus the Jewish historian in his book antiquities of the Jews confirmed Christ was crucified.

Pliny and Seutonius, both Roman historians wrote that Christ was justly killed and the sect he formed called Christians were nuisance who were expelled by Claudius in 40 AD.

Tacitus a Roman senator in 115 AD wrote that Jesus Christ was crucified on the order of Pontus Pilate.

Mara bar saparion, a stoic philosopher in 70 AD wrote from prison to his son claiming he's innocent and will be killed just like the Jewish killed their Messiah.
The Jewish Talmud confirmed Jesus was justly crucified because he was a sorcerer n a magician.

Your reference to Paul's letter is a distortion of fact.

In Galatian 3, Paul was emphasising that Christ death would come to nothing if they insist on works and circumcisions as a way to obtain righteousness. It has nothing to do with some having doubt about death of Jesus.

The letters of Ignatius who some referred to as pseudepigrapha was written in the 2nd century warming against heresy amongst some sects who had developed legend stories and myths about Jesus.

Some of this legend stories that emanated in 2nd century include Jesus talking at birth, Jesus cursing a boy at age 12 yrs, Jesus didn't die but rescued by God and taken directly to heaven.

I guess we all know where Muhammed got his stories from.

SIRTee15:
All early Christians- those that knew Jesus or met the apostles believed in the crucifixion and ressurection of Jesus Christ.
The early Jewish Christians confirmed it, the apostolic fathers believed it.

All non biblical historical evidence of Jesus Christ focused on is death.

Tallus in 50 AD wrote about the darkness and earthquake that happened on the eve of Passover referencing the day Christ was killed.

Josephus the Jewish historian in his book antiquities of the Jews confirmed Christ was crucified.

Pliny and Seutonius, both Roman historians wrote that Christ was justly killed and the sect he formed called Christians were nuisance who were expelled by Claudius in 40 AD.

Tacitus a Roman senator in 115 AD wrote that Jesus Christ was crucified on the order of Pontus Pilate.

Mara bar saparion, a stoic philosopher in 70 AD wrote from prison to his son claiming he's innocent and will be killed just like the Jewish killed their Messiah.
The Jewish Talmud confirmed Jesus was justly crucified because he was a sorcerer n a magician.

Your reference to Paul's letter is a distortion of fact.

In Galatian 3, Paul was emphasising that Christ death would come to nothing if they insist on works and circumcisions as a way to obtain righteousness. It has nothing to do with some having doubt about death of Jesus.

The letters of Ignatius who some referred to as pseudepigrapha was written in the 2nd century warming against heresy amongst some sects who had developed legend stories and myths about Jesus.

Some of this legend stories that emanated in 2nd century include Jesus talking at birth, Jesus cursing a boy at age 12 yrs, Jesus didn't die but rescued by God and taken directly to heaven.

I guess we all know where Muhammed got his stories from.

You could have just asked him if Mathew, I Mark, Luke Like and John were written by Paul. John in Revelation 11:8 was by Paul or Heb 12:2 was written by Paul. Peter in Acts 2:36 was written by Paul or Hebrew 2:9 was written by Paul or in 1Peter 1:3!, I 1 Peter 3:21?

The Muslims think Paul invented Christianity like Mohammed invented Islam !

TenQ:
You could have just asked him if Mathew, I Mark, Luke Like and John were written by Paul. John in Revelation 11:8 was by Paul or Heb 12:2 was written by Paul. Peter in Acts 2:36 was written by Paul or Hebrew 2:9 was written by Paul or in 1Peter 1:3!, I 1 Peter 3:21?

The Muslims think Paul invented Christianity like Mohammed invented Islam !

I have challenged Muslims multiple times on this forum to prove to me Christians follow Paul or Paul changed the law.
They can't, once u challenge them with evidence, they disappear.
All they know is claim, not one single evidence.

SIRTee15:
I have challenged Muslims multiple times on this forum to prove to me Christians follow Paul or Paul changed the law.
They can't, once u challenge them with evidence, they disappear.
All they know is claim, not one single evidence.

A wise man once said:

A Muslim is one who says and live by the mantra :
Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind!