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Aemmyjah

Take time to read them and understand you can never lose your salvation

Those who know they can't lose it are those who speak in tongues those who are filled with the holy spirit

I will explain others when you read this one's

Remember Jesus did everything made all things new.

Kingsnairaland:
Aemmyjah

Take time to read them and understand you can never lose your salvation

Anything that can be given to you, can be taken.
I use Adam and eve as example yesterday, we still have saul and Moses.

Aemmyjah:
According to Revelation 20:14, what is the lake of fire?

Repeating yourself after I have answered you even twice just proves that you have nothing
and that you want me to lie and say what i did not see which I will never do.

So if you think there is something more than I have said in the Rev 20:14 bring it let everyone here see it and let us see if what you see is there to see.

If not, we clearly know that you had nothing and that you were just trying to manipulate me like a demon into seeing what is not there.

There is no point flogging this issue back and forth with you anymore.
If you like keep believing in lies it's your own cup of tea

Dtruthspeaker:
You have always loved your delusions irredeemably and if only you confined your delusions to damned self, then I won't have to contend you

search yourself

Is Christ not The Way, The Life, The Word?

How does man live? Deuteronomy 8:3 has already answered you.

bad argument:

Our discussion here is difference between Christ and the law. Romans 11:6

What is then the correlation between man does not live by bread alone with what we are discussing here?

When a thing is washed, does it mean it cannot be dirtied again? No

Again, there is no correlation with what we are discussing to this.

What we are discussing is Christ and his salvation which is a spiritual thing.
You don't use physical events like dirts again after wash to do illustration with spiritual cleansing especially when it get to do with the death and resurrection of Christ.

Romans 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

You know, I choose to remove some of your irrelevant statements to get you focus on what we are discussing here, perhaps you were been carried away by dead works as usual.

The only way a washed thing remains clean is if it is not made dirty again.

you explain to me.
How is Christ made dirty again seeing that he lives in the spirit?
Or will you ascend to the spirit and bring him down to rubbed in the mud?

The way you people argue at times, you don't think before talking

Thus, anyone who returns to his formers sins or any sin eg drunkenness,covetousness, fornication,lying, stealing is dirty and they shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

you see yourself?

First, your illustrations are flawed.
Then you want to bring this to connect to your flawed illustrations to see whether it will match?

Keep trying your luck

Needless to remind you again, what are we discussing?
We are discussing Christ and his salvation

What has Christ and his salvation got to do with drunkenness, covertiousness, fornication and lying etc?

Absolutely nothing!

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world:...

It is in this world that people practice drunkenness, covertiousness, fornication, lying, etc

And it is the laws of this world that judges these people, not Christ.

I wonder how it will be when a man is charged to court for his crime, and the judge says leave it for Christ to judge.

You are not being realistic.

You have to separate Christ from these things, they are not the same.

Christ's only judgement to man is, do you believe in him?
That's all.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life(which means,was not found believing in Christ) was cast into the lake of fire

Revelations even shows you that this is the standard of judgment in that even though The Lord may have washed and accepted you, He must not have any ought against you. E.g. the church in Pergamos in Revelation 2, who allowed and did fornication. which you say is washed.

14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication

you didn't see the word idols there, it is the word fornication that you choose to see, how then will you not be confused?

Now tell me, what kind of church do sacrifice idols together with fornication as it was practiced by unbelievers or idolaters of that time, is that church again?

Can't you see that they have already deviated from the faith into practicing idolatry that's why they were rebuked?

See He cleary stated who He wants here

4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

Meaning their garments were washed and that they were given clean garments and these made sure that it never got dirty (defiled) again.

yes!

On the bases that they deviated from the faith and nothing more.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Thus, you can see that what has been washed can be made dirty again unless the person ensures that he is not made dirty again.

I ask you the question again, what are we discussing here?

We are discussing Christ and his kingdom or salvation which has absolutely nothing to do with physical things like washing of dirty and mere human laws that help to check fornication, drunkenness, lying etc

Otherwise, our judges will hand over their cases for Christ to do the judgements himself

Deceive yourself no more!

it seems you have a very small brain to understand complex issues

Just get yourself emancipated from the grip religious doctrines for a start, may be that will help

Maynman:
Anything that can be given to you, can be taken.
I use Adam and eve as example yesterday, we still have saul and Moses.

Once I finish that guy's verse I will get to your point but list the chapters and verse that shows Saul and Moses their salvation was taken from them.

Kingsnairaland:
Aemmyjah

Take time to read them and understand you can never lose your salvation

Those who know they can't lose it are those who speak in tongues those who are filled with the holy spirit

I will explain others when you read this one's

Remember Jesus did everything made all things new.

Ananias and Sapphira had no holy spirit?

Kingsnairaland:
Once I finish that guy's verse I will get to your point but list the chapters and verse that shows Saul and Moses their salvation was taken from them.

Let's first start with what you understand as salvation, compared to what Old testament means by it.

Aemmyjah:
2 Peter 2:20-22
20 Certainly if after escaping from the defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are overcome, their final state has become worse for them than the first.
21 It would have been better for them not to have accurately known the path of righteousness than after knowing it to turn away from the holy commandment they had received.
22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog has returned to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling in the mire.”


Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For as regards those who were once enlightened and who have tasted the heavenly free gift and who have become partakers of holy spirit
5 and who have tasted the fine word of God and powers of the coming system of things,
6 but have fallen away, it is impossible to revive them again to repentance, because they nail the Son of God to the stake again for themselves and expose him to public shame.


Philippians 2:12
Consequently, my beloved ones, just as you have always obeyed, not only during my presence but now much more readily during my absence, keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling.


John 15: 5,6
5. I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever remains in union with me and I in union with him, this one bears much fruit; for apart from me you can do nothing at all.
6 If anyone does not remain in union with me, he is thrown out like a branch and dries up. And men gather those branches and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.


Romans 11:20-22
20 That is true! For their lack of faith, they were broken off, but you are standing by faith. Do not be haughty, but be in fear.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.
22 Consider, therefore, God’s kindness and severity. There is severity toward those who fell, but toward you there is God’s kindness, provided you remain in his kindness; otherwise, you too will be lopped off.



Matthew 24:13
13 But the one who has endured to the end will be saved




1 Corinthians 9:27
but I pummel my body and lead it as a slave, so that after I have preached to others, I myself should not become disapproved somehow.


Philippians 3:12-14
12 Not that I have already received it or am already made perfect, but I am pressing on to see if I may also lay hold on [/b]that for which Christ Jesus selected me.
13 Brothers[b], I do not yet consider myself as having taken hold of it; but one thing is certain: Forgetting the things behind and stretching forward to the things ahead
14 I am pressing on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God by means of Christ Jesus.

John 15: 5,6

people who are opposed to the gospel of grace. They say we must do everything in the Bible or at least everything that Jesus says. Well Jesus said, “be perfect” (Mt 5:8... – how’s that working out for you? I might just as easily respond with the words of John:

No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. (1 Jn 3:6, NIV)

I love this! This verse deals life to those who trust Jesus and utter condemnation to those who don’t. It draws a big fat line in the sand and shouts, “Choose your Savior!” To those who are trusting in their own good behavior this verse declares, “Your best is not good enough. God expects sinless perfection.” Either you must be perfect or you must put your faith in a perfect, representative. Guess who! Jesus is our perfect High Priest (Heb 7:28)! We stand on His sinless performance, not our own.

A promise, not a condition

Jesus told the disciples, you are in me (our imperfections are hidden in His perfection) and I am in you (we carry His sinless DNA). Jesus didn’t sin and He won’t ever sin. If you let Him live His life through you, then without any conscious effort on your part you’re going to start talking and acting just like sinless Jesus. This is a glorious promise for all who believe:

Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. (1 Jn 3:9)

So what does it mean to abide in the vine? Here’s the answer we’ve all been waiting for…

Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. (1 Jn 4:15)

Have you confessed that Jesus is the Son of God? Then God abides in you and you in Him. You may wonder, But how did this happen? All I did was confess. Well you could not have believed and confessed Jesus as Lord unless the Holy Spirit had led you to do so (1 Cor 12:3). The work and the glory are all His. Rest in that!

The trouble is, you can’t rest because somewhere inside there is a little voice that’s asking, Can I abide today and not abide tomorrow? Can I be in the vine one moment and cut off the next? Why would Jesus tell his disciples to abide if there wasn’t any danger of not abiding?

The problem, as usual, is found between our ears. Most of us have grown up with a slave mentality that says our value is determined by what we do. This was certainly true of the disciples who had been born and bred under the law. They were conditioned to think in terms of their performance. This works mindset is also evident in some of our English translations:

Remain in me, and I will remain in you. (Jn 15:4, NIV)

Again, that sounds like a condition. It sounds like Jesus is saying, if your abiding performance is up to scratch, then I will reward you by abiding as well. But it is not a condition to make us sweat; it is a promise to make us rest. In John 15 Jesus goes to great lengths to counter the law-mentality of the disciples. He does this by hitting them with promise after promise:

As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. (Jn 15:9)

How does the Father love Jesus? Ask yourself this question: How many miracles or works had Jesus done when the Father declared from heaven, “this is my beloved Son?” None! The Father loves Jesus unconditionally, without any reference to His performance or fruit. That means that Jesus loves us unconditionally! He wants us to rest in His unconditional love.

You’re free? Be free!

Just to recap – if you think abiding is something we must do, then understand that the evidence of abiding is zero sin. This is humanly impossible. The only logical response to the command “abide!” is to trust in Jesus and His performance and quit trying to impress Him with yours. The word “abide” connotes “rest” and “surrender,” not “struggle” and “try harder.”

Trust God, the abiding issue is all settled from His side. “Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him.” But it may not be settled from your side. You may still be struggling with that old servant mentality. Instead of rest there is insecurity. Instead of joy there is anxiety. Am I in? Can I be cut off? If this is you, let Jesus speak to your insecurity:

I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. (Jn 8:34-36)

The reality is, you are free indeed because Jesus has set you free. The reality is, you are abiding in the vine because you have confessed Him as Lord. But you may not be experiencing that reality. You may feel like you’re not free or you’re not abiding. Although you are a son with a permanent place in the family, you may still think and act like the slave that you used to be. There’s only one solution: renew your mind! Stop living by feelings and start walking by faith. You are abiding in fact, so start abiding in practice.

When Jesus said, “anyone who does not abide in Me is cast out as a branch, withers, and is thrown into the fire,” He was not referring to fruitless Christians. (They are lifted up.) He was describing those who refuse to believe to that He is the Son of God. He was describing those who are looking for life outside of the true vine. If you have confessed Jesus as your Lord, then walk in that the truth: You are free, God Himself abides in you, and as a son or daughter you have a permanent place in His family.

Thank you Jesus!

Aemmyjah:
Ananias and Sapphira had no holy spirit?

I have treated up to John 15: 5,6

I will finish them step by step

This question you asked above I will talk about it once I finish other chapters so read this truths so you can understand salvation can not be taken back once you become born again...

Kingsnairaland:
I have treated up to John 15: 5,6

I will finish them step by step

This question you asked above I will talk about it once I finish other chapters so read this truths so you can understand salvation can not be taken back once you become born again...

Ananias and Sapphira were born again.
Yes or No?

Kingsnairaland:
John 15: 5,6

people who are opposed to the gospel of grace. They say we must do everything in the Bible or at least everything that Jesus says. Well Jesus said, “be perfect” (Mt 5:8... – how’s that working out for you? I might just as easily respond with the words of John:

No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. (1 Jn 3:6, NIV)

I love this! This verse deals life to those who trust Jesus and utter condemnation to those who don’t. It draws a big fat line in the sand and shouts, “Choose your Savior!” To those who are trusting in their own good behavior this verse declares, “Your best is not good enough. God expects sinless perfection.” Either you must be perfect or you must put your faith in a perfect, representative. Guess who! Jesus is our perfect High Priest (Heb 7:28)! We stand on His sinless performance, not our own.

A promise, not a condition

Jesus told the disciples, you are in me (our imperfections are hidden in His perfection) and I am in you (we carry His sinless DNA). Jesus didn’t sin and He won’t ever sin. If you let Him live His life through you, then without any conscious effort on your part you’re going to start talking and acting just like sinless Jesus. This is a glorious promise for all who believe:

Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. (1 Jn 3:9)

So what does it mean to abide in the vine? Here’s the answer we’ve all been waiting for…

Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. (1 Jn 4:15)

Have you confessed that Jesus is the Son of God? Then God abides in you and you in Him. You may wonder, But how did this happen? All I did was confess. Well you could not have believed and confessed Jesus as Lord unless the Holy Spirit had led you to do so (1 Cor 12:3). The work and the glory are all His. Rest in that!

The trouble is, you can’t rest because somewhere inside there is a little voice that’s asking, Can I abide today and not abide tomorrow? Can I be in the vine one moment and cut off the next? Why would Jesus tell his disciples to abide if there wasn’t any danger of not abiding?

The problem, as usual, is found between our ears. Most of us have grown up with a slave mentality that says our value is determined by what we do. This was certainly true of the disciples who had been born and bred under the law. They were conditioned to think in terms of their performance. This works mindset is also evident in some of our English translations:

Remain in me, and I will remain in you. (Jn 15:4, NIV)

Again, that sounds like a condition. It sounds like Jesus is saying, if your abiding performance is up to scratch, then I will reward you by abiding as well. But it is not a condition to make us sweat; it is a promise to make us rest. In John 15 Jesus goes to great lengths to counter the law-mentality of the disciples. He does this by hitting them with promise after promise:

As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. (Jn 15:9)

How does the Father love Jesus? Ask yourself this question: How many miracles or works had Jesus done when the Father declared from heaven, “this is my beloved Son?” None! The Father loves Jesus unconditionally, without any reference to His performance or fruit. That means that Jesus loves us unconditionally! He wants us to rest in His unconditional love.

You’re free? Be free!

Just to recap – if you think abiding is something we must do, then understand that the evidence of abiding is zero sin. This is humanly impossible. The only logical response to the command “abide!” is to trust in Jesus and His performance and quit trying to impress Him with yours. The word “abide” connotes “rest” and “surrender,” not “struggle” and “try harder.”

Trust God, the abiding issue is all settled from His side. “Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him.” But it may not be settled from your side. You may still be struggling with that old servant mentality. Instead of rest there is insecurity. Instead of joy there is anxiety. Am I in? Can I be cut off? If this is you, let Jesus speak to your insecurity:

I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. (Jn 8:34-36)

The reality is, you are free indeed because Jesus has set you free. The reality is, you are abiding in the vine because you have confessed Him as Lord. But you may not be experiencing that reality. You may feel like you’re not free or you’re not abiding. Although you are a son with a permanent place in the family, you may still think and act like the slave that you used to be. There’s only one solution: renew your mind! Stop living by feelings and start walking by faith. You are abiding in fact, so start abiding in practice.

When Jesus said, “anyone who does not abide in Me is cast out as a branch, withers, and is thrown into the fire,” He was not referring to fruitless Christians. (They are lifted up.) He was describing those who refuse to believe to that He is the Son of God. He was describing those who are looking for life outside of the true vine. If you have confessed Jesus as your Lord, then walk in that the truth: You are free, God Himself abides in you, and as a son or daughter you have a permanent place in His family.

Thank you Jesus!

Your story is too long and makes me lazy to read
If I, as a Christian minister choose to become a drug dealer or IndecentStar? My salvation is still guaranteed shey?

Aemmyjah:
Ananias and Sapphira were born again.
Yes or No?

Acts 4:32-35.. Shows they are..

this I would assume that Ananias and Sapphira were genuine believers who wanted to be seen giving everything (like Barnabas in Acts 4:36) but still wanted to keep some money... resulting in their lie.

So if we believe that they were genuine believers then does this lie commit them to hell? No. There is nothing in the story that indicates that they went to hell and this was not a sin that Jesus didn't pay for when He died. As believers they had already passed from death unto life (John 5:24).

But coming at the very start of the church, with God incredibly active and the great need to start in purity, it was a sin that required swift and firm judgement - and the result was that which was needed with a holy fear coming upon the believers.

Connected to this story is the truth, though not often dwelt upon, that God can sometimes take a believers life in judgement. Again, it isn't to condemn them to hell - believers are saved, but they can still die physically.

As an example, Paul talks about those in
1 Cor 11
that had 'fallen asleep' (ie believers that had died) because of bring judgement upon themselves at the Lord's Supper.

This, like Ananias and Sapphira, are examples in scripture of a 'sin leading to death' as mentioned in 1 John 5:16.

Kingsnairaland:
Acts 4:32-35.. Shows they are..

this I would assume that Ananias and Sapphira were genuine believers who wanted to be seen giving everything (like Barnabas in Acts 4:36) but still wanted to keep some money... resulting in their lie.

So if we believe that they were genuine believers then does this lie commit them to hell? No. There is nothing in the story that indicates that they went to hell and this was not a sin that Jesus didn't pay for when He died. As believers they had already passed from death unto life (John 5:24).

But coming at the very start of the church, with God incredibly active and the great need to start in purity, it was a sin that required swift and firm judgement - and the result was that which was needed with a holy fear coming upon the believers.

Connected to this story is the truth, though not often dwelt upon, that God can sometimes take a believers life in judgement. Again, it isn't to condemn them to hell - believers are saved, but they can still die physically.

As an example, Paul talks about those in
1 Cor 11
that had 'fallen asleep' (ie believers that had died) because of bring judgement upon themselves at the Lord's Supper.

This, like Ananias and Sapphira, are examples in scripture of a 'sin leading to death' as mentioned in 1 John 5:16.

I pity you walahi

Aemmyjah:
Your story is too long and makes me lazy to read
If I, as a Christian minister choose to become a drug dealer or IndecentStar? My salvation is still guaranteed shey?

A born again still falling into sin has not renewed his or her mindset and that may lead to sudden death just like Ananias and Sapphira

Or he or she will be flogged God uses carrot and stick to draw them back home if he does not want to give them instant punishment which is death.

Aemmyjah:
I pity you walahi

Because you really don't know how powerful God is you can't do any thing that will make you not to become a child of God

Jesus is in your DNA it can't be removed I don't think you speak in tongues yet.

Kingsnairaland:
Because you really don't know how powerful God is you can't do any thing that will make you not to become a child of God

Jesus is in your DNA it can't be removed I don't think you speak in tongues yet.

I also pity the way you will bite your fingers in hell forever. How come you came up with this nonsense. Is your conscience dead or you are part of the evil forces in these last days to drag people to hell. I spit on you and your evil doctrines. God does not change, if He changes that means he is not perfect. Can you add 1 + ∞ At all? Can you subtract also ∞ - 1 ? God is infinite or Eternal , he is the same yesterday, today and forever. To hell with you and your evil doctrines.

Plus1234:
I also pity the way you will bite your fingers in hell forever. How come you came up with this nonsense. Is your conscience dead or you are part of the evil forces in these last days to drag people to hell. I spit on you and your evil doctrines. God does not change, if He changes that means he is not perfect. Can you add 1 + ∞ At all? Can you subtract also ∞ - 1 ? God is infinite or Eternal , he is the same yesterday, today and forever. To hell with you and your evil doctrines.

😂😂😂
People like that guy will always have a full audience cos they are told lies that help them to feel good.
Bible says that false teachers will arise to twist scriptures deceiving themselves and others
Maybe he'll tell us that Judas Iscariot who was also chosen directly by Christ but sold him is enjoying in heaven

Aemmyjah:
😂😂😂
People like that guy will always have a full audience cos they are told lies that help them to feel good.
Bible says that false teachers will arise to twist scriptures deceiving themselves and others
Maybe he'll tell us that Judas Iscariot who was also chosen directly by Christ but sold him is enjoying in heaven

When you preach the wrong things God rebukes it so we know what we say it in the Bible.

Plus1234:
I also pity the way you will bite your fingers in hell forever. How come you came up with this nonsense. Is your conscience dead or you are part of the evil forces in these last days to drag people to hell. I spit on you and your evil doctrines. God does not change, if He changes that means he is not perfect. Can you add 1 + ∞ At all? Can you subtract also ∞ - 1 ? God is infinite or Eternal , he is the same yesterday, today and forever. To hell with you and your evil doctrines.

I pity you because of your sins because you don't know what you preach will lead to you to hell because you don't live according to it.

Kingsnairaland:
When you preach the wrong things God rebukes it so we know what we say it in the Bible.

Nothing God gives that he cannot take
Anything
Anyone who's unfaithful will lose reward
Else, God has no just standards

Aemmyjah:
Nothing God gives that he cannot take
Anything
Anyone who's unfaithful will lose reward
Else, God has no just standards

This is not what the Bible says.

Aemmyjah:
Nothing God gives that he cannot take
Anything
Anyone who's unfaithful will lose reward
Else, God has no just standards

If you can't read those things I wrote I wonder how you can read Bible that is so big..

I found out what makes you learn the wrong things because you can't sit down to read the Bible and you think it by doing something that can take you to heaven lol.

paxonel:
bad argument:

Saying just "bad argument" is proof you could not argue against it.

paxonel:
Our discussion here is difference between Christ and the law. Romans 11:6

And my counter which you could not argue is that Christ is The Law as proven by His Power to forgive sins. Common sense would have told you that it is The Law who has power to forgive and waive a sin.

paxonel:
What is then the correlation between man does not live by bread alone with what we are discussing here?

Are we not talking about life and death (condemnation)?

Again, there is no correlation with what we are discussing to this.

paxonel:
You don't use physical events like dirts again after wash to do illustration with spiritual cleansing especially when it get to do with the death and resurrection of Christ.

As i said you are irredeemably deluded. Jesus used a physical things to explain the spiritual e.g. vine and branches, the good shepherd and the sheep. It was obviously you he told that he used earthly things to explain the heavenly things yet you pretend not to get it. Man, you are finished.

And this is definitely for you

Revelation 22:11-12

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: [b]and he which is filthy, let him be filthy ...

Dtruthspeaker:
And my counter which you could not argue is that Christ is The Law as proven by His Power to forgive sins. Common sense would have told you that it is The Law who has power to forgive and waive a sin.

Firstly, Saying that Christ is the law shows that you have a huge inability to identify two different entities even when the bible affirms that Grace from christ and works of the law are two different entities.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Secondly, He has power to forgive sins.
So, why didn't Christ forgive the thief, a sinner that was crucified with him after he acknowledged him as the Christ?
Christ will just tell him, i have forgiven your sins. With this my power, i thereby discharge you and acquitted. You are free from being crucified with me.

Eh, explain yourself, why christ didn't say so to him since he has the power to forgive sins?

Some of you, you will quote bible out of misunderstanding thereby putting yourselves into delusion

As i said you are irredeemably deluded.

someone who is terribly deluded is saying another person is deluded to cover his ignorance

Jesus used a physical things to explain the spiritual e.g. vine and branches, the good shepherd and the sheep. It was obviously you he told that he used earthly things to explain the heavenly things yet you pretend not to get it. Man, you are finished.

And this is definitely for you

Revelation 22:11-12

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: [b]and he which is filthy, let him be filthy ...

it does not change the fact that spiritual things are not the same as physical things as simile are not the same as metaphor

You are deeply suffering from text-reading identity crisis and will fail simple exams drawn from books, because you can't simply read to your understanding.

A ball can be used to illustrate the movement of a cat does not mean that a ball is the same thing as cat

paxonel:
Firstly, Saying that Christ is the law shows that you have a huge inability to identify two different entities even when the bible affirms that Grace from christ and works of the law are two different entities.

Out of point! You cannot counter that Christ is not The Law!

paxonel:
Secondly, He has power to forgive sins.
So, why didn't Christ forgive the thief, a sinner that was crucified with him after he acknowledged him as the Christ?

What else is "this day you shall be with me in paradise" mean? You are just scrambling for something to say to protect your delusions.

Dtruthspeaker:
What else is "this day you shall be with me in paradise" mean? You are just scrambling for something to say to protect your delusions.

You shall be with me in paradise means he did not die because he was forgiven according to your confusion that christ has power to forgive sins?

You think you can dodge your errors and lies?
You are being checkmated here.

You better go back to primary school

paxonel:
You shall be with me in paradise means he did not die because he was forgiven?

You are being checkmated here.

You better go back to primary school

See madness o.

A guilty sinner got a direct clearance and visa from the judge to paradise where eternal life is and you ask whether he died?

As i have told you before you are just looking for who will die in lake of Fire with you. You do not know that you will still pay for every soul who you killed along with you just like Satan will pay for his.

Dtruthspeaker:
See madness o.

A guilty sinner got a direct clearance and visa from the judge to paradise where eternal life is and you ask whether he died?

was he crucified or killed yes or no?

paxonel:
was he crucified or killed yes or no?

Out of Point. Even The Lord, was been killed or crucified along with him, so death here means nothing. It is the accoming second death that matters which this guy has escaped already.

But as I said this is a deviation. End of Story !

Dtruthspeaker:
Out of Point.

Lies!
Answer the question

Even The Lord, was been killed or crucified along with him,

Then why are you jumping up and down confusing yourself?

The man was killed, period!

But as I said this is a deviation. End of Story !

you are trying to deviate from the truth by hiding under a spiritual paradise, but you can't.

Because that spiritual paradise is not the same as what happened in reality.

In reality, the man was killed for his sin, and christ did not forgive him.

You are big bunch of lair, confused an ignorant

Aemmyjah:
2 Peter 2:20-22
20 Certainly if after escaping from the defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are overcome, their final state has become worse for them than the first.
21 It would have been better for them not to have accurately known the path of righteousness than after knowing it to turn away from the holy commandment they had received.
22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog has returned to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling in the mire.”


Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For as regards those who were once enlightened and who have tasted the heavenly free gift and who have become partakers of holy spirit
5 and who have tasted the fine word of God and powers of the coming system of things,
6 but have fallen away, it is impossible to revive them again to repentance, because they nail the Son of God to the stake again for themselves and expose him to public shame.


Philippians 2:12
Consequently, my beloved ones, just as you have always obeyed, not only during my presence but now much more readily during my absence, keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling.


John 15: 5,6
5. I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever remains in union with me and I in union with him, this one bears much fruit; for apart from me you can do nothing at all.
6 If anyone does not remain in union with me, he is thrown out like a branch and dries up. And men gather those branches and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.


Romans 11:20-22
20 That is true! For their lack of faith, they were broken off, but you are standing by faith. Do not be haughty, but be in fear.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.
22 Consider, therefore, God’s kindness and severity. There is severity toward those who fell, but toward you there is God’s kindness, provided you remain in his kindness; otherwise, you too will be lopped off.



Matthew 24:13
13 But the one who has endured to the end will be saved




1 Corinthians 9:27
but I pummel my body and lead it as a slave, so that after I have preached to others, I myself should not become disapproved somehow.


Philippians 3:12-14
12 Not that I have already received it or am already made perfect, but I am pressing on to see if I may also lay hold on [/b]that for which Christ Jesus selected me.
13 Brothers[b], I do not yet consider myself as having taken hold of it; but one thing is certain: Forgetting the things behind and stretching forward to the things ahead
14 I am pressing on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God by means of Christ Jesus.

Whenever I tell people about God’s goodness, I can just about guarantee that someone will call for balance and say I should also preach on God’s severity. Then they quote this verse:

Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. (Rom 11:22
NKJV)

“You see, God is kind, but he’s also severe, so watch yourself! God has given you a chance to repent, but now you have to prove you were worth it by getting your act together, otherwise it’s the chop for you!”

And we wonder why unbelievers don’t get excited about this so-called gospel!

In my ongoing series on eternal security, I have maintained that we are saved by grace and kept by grace. Your eternal security rests on God’s promises, not your behavior. But, the insecure don’t believe it. They read the above passage and worry that they will be cut off if they fail to continue in the Lord’s kindness.

How do you continue? The insecure are uncertain, but it probably has something to do with working hard, being good, and hoping for the best. But look at what Paul says:

You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. (Rom 11:19

This is about belief not behavior, faith not works. “They were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith.” Continuing in God’s goodness is less about working and more about trusting. But I am getting ahead of myself. Before we go further we need to ask an an important question:

Who is Paul talking about?

Who are the “they” that were broken off and who are the “you” that were grafted it? Paul is not speaking about individuals and he is not speaking about the church. He is talking about Jews and Gentiles:

Concerning Israel he says, “All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.” … I am talking to you Gentiles. (Rom 10:21, 11:13

The nation of Israel, as a group, was broken off and the Gentiles, as a group, were grafted in. The Jews had been shown favor from the Lord but they did not receive it (although certain individual Jews had, such as Paul himself). God reached out to the Jews in love but they gave him the cold shoulder. Now God’s favor is also extended to the Gentiles.

For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him. (Rom 10:12

God’s desire is to bless everyone, but not everyone receives his blessing. As a group the Jews tried to earn his favor and were cut off. That sounds like divine judgment as though God were rejecting them. But look at what Paul says:

Did God reject his people? By no means! … God did not reject his people… they stumbled … they were broken off because of unbelief. (Rom 11:1,2,11,20

The condemnation of unbelief is self-inflicted. Refuse his blessings and you won’t be blessed. You’ll be cursed. This is why Paul warns the Gentiles to “continue in God’s kindness.”

What is God’s kindness?

God’s kindness refers to his unmerited favor or grace which comes to us through Jesus:

In order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. (Eph 2:7

To continue in kindness is to continue in grace which is to continue in Christ.

As a nation, the Jews stumbled in unbelief. But the grace of God is for the whole world. Hence Paul says, “Don’t boast over the Jews – you Gentiles have a window of opportunity, like they did, and it won’t last forever. Receive God’s goodness! Receive Jesus! Confess him as Lord (Rom 10:9
Clothe yourself with Christ (Rom 13:14

What about God’s severity?

Here is the wrong way to interpret the severity passage: “I need to work hard for God and keep 100% of his commands to avoid getting cut off.” That’s what the Jews thought and it led to their downfall. By betting on their performance they rejected God’s grace.

And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
(Rom 11:6

At the start of his letter to the Romans, Paul says everyone receives one of two gifts from the Lord. We either receive the free gift of his righteousness that comes by faith (Rom 1:17
or we receive, through hard-nosed and stubborn unbelief, the unwanted gift of his wrath (Rom 1:18
The Jews, as a group, had chosen the bad gift (Rom 10:21
We do well to choose the good one.

Who is in danger of being cut off?

Not those who are joined to the Lord.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. (John 10:28

The insecure thinks, “If I can graft myself in through belief, then I can cut myself off through unbelief.” To this I respond, “You are saved by Jesus and kept by Jesus. You are one with the Lord and what God has joined together, no man can tear apart.”

“But what if I stop continuing in his kindness.” Paul answers that question when he talks about the importance of continuing in the faith. Although there are consequences to not continuing, Paul never says the Christian will be cut off. You are the body of Christ and Jesus doesn’t self-amputate.

Continue in his kindness, otherwise, you also will be cut off. (Rom 11:22

Remember, Paul is addressing groups – Jews and Gentiles – not individuals. He clarifies this in the next two verses: “And if the Jews… You Gentiles…” (Rom 11:23-24
GNB).

The Jews, as a group, were written off even as individual Jews, such as he and all the apostles, were grafted in through faith. Similarly, the Gentiles as a group have benefited from the kindness of God, but individual Gentiles may yet miss out through unbelief.

None of this talk about being cut off from Christ applies to Christians. But don’t take my word for it. Here is the Believer’s Bible Commentary:

It must be constantly borne in mind that Paul is not speaking of the church or of individual believers. He is speaking about the Gentiles as such. Nothing can ever separate the Body of Christ from the Head, and nothing can separate a believer from the love of God…

Romans 11
is a warning to those who, like the Jews, stubbornly refuse the grace and goodness of God. Reject his blessings and you’ll curse yourself.

This should not frighten the believer. Although the Gentiles as a group may receive or miss out on God’s grace, the body of Christ will never, ever experience the sternness or severity of God. It’s one or the other, not both. Don’t let anyone curse what God has blessed.

Romans is good news for the believer!

Romans 11 has been used to sow fear and terror into the children of God. It has been twisted into a works-based message of conditional salvation that is a million miles from Paul’s heart. We would not fall for this nonsense if we had an assurance of our Father’s love and grace. If only Paul had given us such an assurance. He does!

For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
(Rom 8:15-16

The Holy Spirit says you belong to your heavenly Father and you are his dearly beloved child. If a sermon on Romans 11 fills you with fear, you can be sure that the spirit behind it is not the Holy Spirit.

If Romans 11 scares you, read Romans 8

Read and understand that you can't be saved and be un saved

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