frankson1:



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sultan003:


I know about the washington accord..

Take engineering council of South Africa, with HND you are registered as an engineering technician... if you like go and do masters and PhD you will remain a technician.

With B.tech you are registered as an engineering technologist while with B.engr you are registered as an engineer.

They all have their roles clearly defined and everyone is proud of their achievements, the opposite is the case in Nigeria

hakeem4:

First hnd people are trained for industry not academia, so they can’t become lecturers. Except they get their advance study

2) hnd are qualified for Coren. It’s just that they’d be registered as technologists (which is what they’re trained for)

3) maybe those countries don’t require their skills set
4)because they’re are trained to be on field so I don’t see the reason why they’re to be placed in managerial positions

babakb:


We're saying the same thing!!! All what you listed here are the limitations that HND Graduates are attempting to avoid by opting for a Bachelor Degree through Top Up program.

babakb:


Please be realistic, HND Graduates have so much limitations in Nigeria, e.g

HND Graduates can't become Lecturers in Nigeria even if they Obtain PGD and MSc.
HND Graduates are not eligible for PTDF Scholarships and all other federal and state government scholarships for MSc studies.
HND Graduates are not eligible for COREN.
HND Graduates are not eligible for the various Job Seeker Visas introduced by many countries.
HND Graduates don't go beyond Level 14 in Federal and State civil service.

So you can see that it's not about inferiority mindset, it's about opportunities passing you buy in the Nigerian system which you can easily make right by opting for a Top Up program

sultan003:



Even the top up stuff will still cause issues..

Originally, the program for OND/HND was meant to produce technologist and technicians from technical courses for the industry..

But over the years those incharge of the NBTE messed up the whole structure by allowing non technical courses to be included in the curriculum. For example, what is banking and finance or business administration doing there? Now if they graduate with OND/HND, where will they fit in bearing in mind that they graduated as technicians/technologist?

This is why we are have this discrimination because they will go seeking employment in civil service expecting to be treated the same as someone who has a degree in Business Adminstration or Banking and finance, meanwhile they were trained in a setting meant to provide skills for the industry.

In Engineering, with HND you are a technologist. Jobs dey that will employ technologist. Now after top up what are you now? Will COREN accept the top up degree and register you as an engineer and not a technologist?

See if the polytechnic sector cannot go back to their original mandate, then either it is upgraded to university or they shut it down make everybody find their way

sultan003:


I know about the washington accord..

Take engineering council of South Africa, with HND you are registered as an engineering technician... if you like go and do masters and PhD you will remain a technician.

With B.tech you are registered as an engineering technologist while with B.engr you are registered as an engineer.

They all have their roles clearly defined and everyone is proud of their achievements, the opposite is the case in Nigeria

hakeem4:
are you serious about B.tech? Cause it’s Bachelor of technology not a diploma

hakeem4:
are you serious about B.tech? Cause it’s Bachelor of technology not a diploma

doghorp:
I am doing the Top up Degree program B Tech Mechanical Engineering there is nothing wrong with Top up, I have colleague who has done Top up Degree program in UK they spend just a Year in the UK. Some of them have done their Masters Degree here in Nigeria.
I already have a Degree in Physics after I obtained my HND Mechanical Engineering.
There is nothing wrong with doing a Top up.
If UK education system that we adopt is doing Top up then why can't HND do such.
Some University do Top up program but call it HND conversion Program, some call it HND to Bsc Program, Post HND Program.
Who feel like doing a Top up should go ahead, We even try to get result, you guys are complaining why some politicians are carrying forge result all over the place.
People are using same HND to get fully Funded PhD Scholarship in the US.
When National Open university of Nigeria started you people condemn it but now Nigeria appreciate it method of learning.

slimtoney:
It was not absurd when the NUC created artificial inequalities between the holders of Hnd and Bsc. Why should the NUC be apprehensive when the people you discriminate against are now trying to measure up to you?

If it is about service delivery and result orientation, the Hnd holders are never found wanting. They have proved time and time again in the workplace that they are reliable and superior in terms of in-depth knowledge, experience, and maturity as inculcated in them through their course of studies.

The fear that grips the NUC and their minions each time they are paired with their Hnd counterpart is palpable. it goes to show a people lacking confidence and the requisite character and mental ability to cope with healthy competition required to survive in a thriving organization.

This high level of inferiority complex has further pushed these nitwits to throw up obnoxious policies and manipulations to perpetually keep holders of Hnd subservient to the BSC academic cabals.

Employees should be appraised based on their productivity capabilities and not on paper qualifications alone. If my Bsc or Hnd certificates give me the opportunity to get employed in an organization, my performance right from training activities and on-the-job performance should dictate my career placement and progression and not my certificate any longer.

Today, the number of people parading fake Bsc certificates is alarming, due to the undue importance placed on them. That is why any Dick and Harry can assume the position of authority in this country as long as he presents a stack of papers.

The idiots who thrashed and talked down on HND holders are today being led by politicians whose highest academic qualification is a School Leaving Certificate. Some of them with proven records of forgery sit today as your leaders dictating what happens to you and your fathers.

Meanwhile, your problem is a fellow common man who has struggled to attain a higher level of education because of your skewed mind and devilish tendencies.

Your actions have subjected a lot of hardworking Nigerians to being treated like second-hand citizens in their country. They are denied promotions, and most of them are stagnated for years on the job while others are reduced to a mere shadow of themselves. They have committed no crime, all they did was legitimately attend the Polytechnics to better their lots.

The NUC, the malicious and negatively minded holders of Bsc in low and high places, the National Assembly, the Ministry of Education, and The Presidency should all bury their heads in shame and tuck their selfish tails in between their legs.

If Nigeria must be counted among the industrialized nations, the Polytechnics must be granted her prideful place in the academia and the Technical Colleges that was bullied out of existence by this same academic brutes must as a matter of urgency be revived.

sultan003:


B.tech is a degree...

In south africa, with b.tech you are registered as a technologist..

We operate a different system here, it will likely change when we become full members of the washington accord

sultan003:


B.tech is a degree...

In south africa, with b.tech you are registered as a technologist..

We operate a different system here, it will likely change when we become full members of the washington accord

parkervero:


Your cerebral cortex needs panel beating, seriously. In the US that you mentioned there do you know the number of HND holders that gained admission for their masters degree directly without PGD?

Associate degree is like OND.

If you combined OND + HND is far above BSc in unit or credit especially if you have upper credit or distinction.