stuffs2002:


1. The HND top up is illegal and that is what NUC is saying
2. Whoever told you that ND guys do better than regular university guys when they enter university is messing with your head. Most of them suffer what is called "academic shock" for two reasons. They find it very difficult to adapt to the new and higher standard of education

DolbyDigital:
Went at JAMB 4 times, scores swinging from 180 to 230, but Unilorin never gave me a shot. It's one of those tough times in life. Watching peers with lesser skills make it while I was home felt like losing. I took a different path, joined Kwara Poly, and graduated with distinction.

Tried direct entry into Unilorin, but they slammed the door in my face AGAIN. Even friends with Upper Credit got through. I was in a cafe, seeing parents pulling strings for their kids' post-JAMB, and it hit me – it's about WHO you know, not WHAT you know.

I didn't have connections. My folks don't play politics, or lick people's asses and I got that from them.

I aced my HND with Upper Credit. I joined where I did my NYSC training, got hired right away. I've got skills I'm confident of. But when I seek better opportunities, even with my certs, it feels like I've wasted life. I'm starting to feel like a charity case at work. Lose this job, and I doubt I'd find the same pay. They're all about that BSc. I feel like a charity case, and it stings.

HND isn't always about not meeting entry requirements. You might not get it if you're not an HND holder. Nobody wants to be treated like a second-class citizen. The discrimination is real, and it's a mental battle.

walezy14:
Nigeria Education policy makers are afraid of allowing hnd top-up to compete with bsc. Let look at it from this perspective, most ND holders routing to BSC programme in the universities perform excellently and top the class.

DolbyDigital:
Went at JAMB 4 times, scores swinging from 180 to 230, but Unilorin never gave me a shot. It's one of those tough times in life. Watching peers with lesser skills make it while I was home felt like losing. I took a different path, joined Kwara Poly, and graduated with distinction.

Tried direct entry into Unilorin, but they slammed the door in my face AGAIN. Even friends with Upper Credit got through. I was in a cafe, seeing parents pulling strings for their kids' post-JAMB, and it hit me – it's about WHO you know, not WHAT you know.

I didn't have connections. My folks don't play politics, or lick people's asses and I got that from them.

I aced my HND with Upper Credit. I joined where I did my NYSC training, got hired right away. I've got skills I'm confident of. But when I seek better opportunities, even with my certs, it feels like I've wasted life. I'm starting to feel like a charity case at work. Lose this job, and I doubt I'd find the same pay. They're all about that BSc. I feel like a charity case, and it stings.

HND isn't always about not meeting entry requirements. You might not get it if you're not an HND holder. Nobody wants to be treated like a second-class citizen. The discrimination is real, and it's a mental battle.

Myer:


And the solution is to convert it?
Who does that?

OLULAW:


There is no where in the world where parity exists between HND and BA/BSc. They're two different programmes with different learning outcomes. If you cannot be admitted to a university and you went to Poly to gain ND/HND, to gain a university degree in the same subject, you'll have to undertake prescribed number of units before being awarded the degree. This is what overseas universities call top up. But you simply cannot convert HND to BA/BSc, it's not a currency.

advanceDNA:


HD holders are the one making themselves feel inferior... Both certificates are not the same.....

...I don't understand why diploma holders want to be seen degree holders without going to a university ...

BoboNogoDie:

Inferiority complex

BUT ON A NORM, YOU CAN NOT COMPARE A UNIVERSITY STUDENT WITH A POLY STUDENT.

THE LEVEL OF CLASS, SWAG AND INTELLECTUALS IN THE UNIVERSITY CAN NOT BE COMPARED TO A POLYTECHNIC.

Poly students are usually "local" no pun intended

stuffs2002:


1. The HND top up is illegal and that is what NUC is saying
2. Whoever told you that ND guys do better than regular university guys when they enter university is messing with your head. Most of them suffer what is called "academic shock" for two reasons. They find it very difficult to adapt to the new and higher standard of education

arinzos:
Make I go find my HND and top it up to MBBS degree

BoboNogoDie:

Inferiority complex

BUT ON A NORM, YOU CAN NOT COMPARE A UNIVERSITY STUDENT WITH A POLY STUDENT.

THE LEVEL OF CLASS, SWAG AND INTELLECTUALS IN THE UNIVERSITY CAN NOT BE COMPARED TO A POLYTECHNIC.

Poly students are usually "local" no pun intended

BoboNogoDie:

Lol
Ọdẹ olodo
Na inferiority complex go kee u

amadiama:
fact!!!!... That's the genesis of the whole thing..me myself am a hand holder in mech eng and I know the discrimination we face at work..

12inchess:
Truth be told. HND is like Associate Degree in the U.S and universities have been demarketing such programs for a long time even abroad.However, let's be frank the bar of entry into both is different. Hence one will certainly be more valued than the other. If there were plentiful jobs in Nigeria we won't be having this mumu discussions anyway.

Myer:


And the solution is to convert it?
Who does that?

BoboNogoDie:

Lol
Ọdẹ olodo
Na inferiority complex go kee u

DolbyDigital:
Went at JAMB 4 times, scores swinging from 180 to 230, but Unilorin never gave me a shot. It's one of those tough times in life. Watching peers with lesser skills make it while I was home felt like losing. I took a different path, joined Kwara Poly, and graduated with distinction.

Tried direct entry into Unilorin, but they slammed the door in my face AGAIN. Even friends with Upper Credit got through. I was in a cafe, seeing parents pulling strings for their kids' post-JAMB, and it hit me – it's about WHO you know, not WHAT you know.

I didn't have connections. My folks don't play politics, or lick people's asses and I got that from them.

I aced my HND with Upper Credit. I joined where I did my NYSC training, got hired right away. I've got skills I'm confident of. But when I seek better opportunities, even with my certs, it feels like I've wasted life. I'm starting to feel like a charity case at work. Lose this job, and I doubt I'd find the same pay. They're all about that BSc. I feel like a charity case, and it stings.

HND isn't always about not meeting entry requirements. You might not get it if you're not an HND holder. Nobody wants to be treated like a second-class citizen. The discrimination is real, and it's a mental battle.

Andrenalin:


Bro all over the world HND certificate is not a degree, it is called higher diploma. Just like a crash course to get the practical skills of attending to task. Degree is degree, Hnd holders have their own advantages and disadvantages. If u want a degree get into the university

babakb:


Of course yes, the only solution is to convert it and enjoy the benefits that BSc holders get too.

tosinet:


What should the solution be?

Babysho:


Man I feel genuinely bad for you because I had a similar experience. I sat for JAMB, got 214 when JAMB was actually JAMB. I remember we were about 4 or 5 in my class of 26 that passed the 200 mark.

I adored The University Of Ibadan so much and so I had UI as my choice and I sat for the post UTME. I can't remember my score but I did fairly well. And then I was denied, I remember I was so heartbroken. Weeks after, my mom calls me and tells me they're paying to get admission into UI, she got the information from one of her friends, an Oba in Ibadan. We couldn't afford what they were paying back then, plus such an act is against my dad's "principles" and so I had to let go.

I was the type of guy who planned out his entire life 😅 and the first step was to leave home for school at 18. UI, my dream, became my obstacle so I decided to settle for the "lesser UI", The Polytechnic, Ibadan. MISTAKE. Direct Entry didn't work as well so I went on to finish up HND. I eventually lost interest in school education. Instead of my school notes, I'd read books outside my syllabus and field.

Even though my command of the English language is close to perfection, with a touch of phonetics from my secondary school, despite my impressive knowledge and philosophy on Economics, Science, Politics, Arts, Anything! I still see that discrimination. I sometimes see them fighting that mental battle how man is not matching certificate lol

DolbyDigital:


Mehn, I thought I am the only one the bolded applies to. All is well sha.

Myer:


The solution
On the part of FG/SG- Is to fix the industries for HND holders to thrive.
On the part of the HND holder- get admission into University to get the benefits of BSc.

tosinet:


So why is the NUC not giving the HND holders that have taken the "prescribed number of units" Bsc but rather give them a worthless pgd cert?

It's no brainer. If after obtaining HND, you enrol on PGCert, that's what you get. Otherwise, enrol on BA/BSc honours if you want a proper degree.


There are schools abroad where you can go for masters directly with your HND cert which is not so in Nigeria, as schools anywhere have different requirement for admitting students.


You're right. Courses for horses; each to their own. My knowledge of the UK University system is that in yesteryears when ex-polytechnics e.g now Universities of Luton, Wolverhampton, Sunderland, Plymouth, London South Bank, Westminster, etc., started to award degrees, they admitted HNDs into their master's programmes. Red bricks chose not to do this.

The requirement for getting a Bsc with your HND in Nigeria is through direct entry, Another country may require a different path such as allowing HND holders take a "prescribed number units" to be able to get their Bsc cert.

BoboNogoDie:

Ọdẹ
Same inferiority complex we just pointed out
Olodo

stuffs2002:



HND + PGD + MSc will get COREN

tosinet:


You mean HND holders should write jamb and enter 100l or apply through non existent direct entry route or go for pgd that's not relevant in the field?