afrodoc2:


Yes. It was a wonderful 3 months. Wikipedia can't explain it to you.

odizeey:


I checked again. He didn't win the Uefa cup with PSV. But with Barca the next season.

CC: jodera

Cancel all my 95-96 points.

Lets go to 96-97

That's even better.

That wasn't a world cup year plus he was massive head and shoulder above anyone.

I understand and was told he broke the overall goal record in la Liga which no one has done before.

He was just like how Haaland was last season but he was more breathtaking adding dribbles and tricks to his.

It there was no WC last year, then Haaland would have definitely won it no doubt

CrystalTiger:
Just imagine the two teams ffs..Na DOF make this Newcastle team come beat us like thieves for OT?

ETH's 5 signings started for him and Eddie had 4 of his signings..How exactly did we not trouble that backline at all?

It is why I am not buying the excuse of injuries. Look at the both teams and tell me who should have dominated and won the match.

Newcastle are without Isak, Tonali, Barnes, Murphy, Andersen, Botman etc but we are not hearing excuses. Because of Shaw and Martinez we should excuse whatever poor performance we are being served.

Na wa for some people o!

ChristoBam:

Lmao, I'm just seeing this.

Are you even joking rn?

How are Madrid signings different from ours? You're really saying this?

Madrid select the best among the bunch and leave us dueling for the rest. We wanted Bellingham, Tchoameni and Camavinga. That's literally their midfield. We wanted those 3 and we couldn't even get close.

Asking how Amrabat and co are different from Madrid signings.

Don't start saying funny things because it's all out on Ten Hag for you.

These same Camavinga and Tchouamemi will flop at ManYoo just like Pogba and co did.

afrodoc2:


Klopp was never Brandt's manager. If ETH had never coached Antony before i could give him a pass but the fact that he had coached him day in day out for 2 years and still did not bite Murtough's ear off when that one was foolishly offering 80m is a big cause for concern.

I did not say he must make do with Amad and Pellistri but making use of them is better than wasting 80m on a dancer. I can live with that more easily than burning money that we have been told is limited.

All i see is that you are refusing to lay ANY BLAME AT ALL at the feet of ETH. I can't get with that program bro.

Hindsight is 20/20

ChristoBam:

Like I said, you're looking at things retrospectively. You believe Antony shouldn't have looked like anything special to ETH or any of those involved. It's all because the Antony you know now is super mid.

We wouldn't have gone for him if we didn't think he was special. What you don't get is, I'm saying no matter how special he was, we should have walked away when the price tag became unattainable. But these ones negotiated 80m and were totally ready to pay.

You're now saying ETH should have told those willing to pay the money not to get that player he thought was special and he should have stuck instead with Pellestri and Amad. That's funny bro. No newly appointed manager is ever doing that.

I'm not refusing to lay any of the blames on ETH. I'm just laying the blames on those that actually deserve it. Ten Hag's been totally getting all of the blames everywhere. Not seen anyone say anything about Murtough and the Antony deal. It's all Ten Hag, The Hag.

But I have blamed Murtough several times for that deal nah. The truth however is that ETH has to share a large chunk in that blame. If it was a player that had no prior link to ETH so he was depending only on our scouts’ reports one can cut him some slack or if it was a player whose potential or qualities were in the neighbourhood of 80m but for ETH to give the okay to the club spending 80m on a player like Antony (a player he knew very well) is borderline negligence.

He now compounded it by chasing Mount the next offseason. A player the average EPL fan recognised was a flop waiting to happen.

If his talent evaluation is so poor then it is going to be a recurring problem. The guy has even got me doubting Kobbie Mainoo cos for ETH to like him so much I am becoming suspicious.

maik99:


Hindsight is 20/20

Ok

Jodera:
Thank you very much.
E get reason why I no too dey debate olden days football events cos it's not everything Wikipedia can explain for you

I knew that for them to give him overall world best in 95/96 especially since his move to Barca also aided that, he must have done something very very breathtaking

The guy was on mad form that season. That was the first time people saw a player and legitimately felt he might threaten Pele. Scoring 34 league goals in a La Liga season was uncommon in the 90s. Only Romario had come close and Hugo Sanchez was the last to surpass that but neither of them added jet-fuelled dazzling dribbles it.

P.S I forgot Maradona. I was talking about attackers.

CrystalTiger:
Just imagine the two teams ffs..Na DOF make this Newcastle team come beat us like thieves for OT?

ETH's 5 signings started for him and Eddie had 4 of his signings..How exactly did we not trouble that backline at all?

Omo, it’s shocking! If we swap teams and have ETH manage Newcastle players, I am sure Eddie would go home with a 5:0 win.

The excuses are just ridiculous!

ChristoBam:

Like I said, you're looking at things retrospectively. You believe Antony shouldn't have looked like anything special to ETH or any of those involved. It's all because the Antony you know now is super mid.

We wouldn't have gone for him if we didn't think he was special. What you don't get is, I'm saying no matter how special he was, we should have walked away when the price tag became unattainable. But these ones negotiated 80m and were totally ready to pay.

You're now saying ETH should have told those willing to pay the money not to get that player he thought was special and he should have stuck instead with Pellestri and Amad. That's funny bro. No newly appointed manager is ever doing that.

I'm not refusing to lay any of the blames on ETH. I'm just laying the blames on those that actually deserve it. Ten Hag's been totally getting all of the blames everywhere. Not seen anyone say anything about Murtough and the Antony deal. It's all Ten Hag, The Hag.

You are wrong. Many are blaming the club’s structure and the manager. Even if the structure is not there, let’s even see what you are trying to do as a manager, especially after signing over 6 starters. Is this rocket science?

Jodera:


That's even better.

That wasn't a world cup year plus he was massive head and shoulder above anyone.

I understand and was told he broke the overall goal record in la Liga which no one has done before.

He was just like how Haaland was last season but he was more breathtaking adding dribbles and tricks to his.

It there was no WC last year, then Haaland would have definitely won it no doubt

Jodera:


Who won Golden ball in 2010 and what was his achievements in club side?

Same you asking for club achievements in a world cup year for someone who won the golden ball and golden boot.

I brought someone who won same Uefa cup in a year he won the Balon dor and all we get is stories.

Continue. I rest my case

1 GK, 2 defenders, 2 DMs, 1 CM, 1 AM, 2 FWs, and we can’t see any pattern of play after 9 signings. As in, he changed the spine and wings of the team, but we are yet to figure out what he is trying to do.

Haaaaa, make una fear God o.

casemeiro out for several weeks, time for him to relax and enjoy his €300k per week wage,why should he care when he has won it all at Madrid

Android17:
Would United fans have taken BHA style football and 7th or 8th place compared to finishing 3rd, a respectable 2nd best in the FA Cup and winning the Carabao cup? I would think this could have earned him 1 bad season.

I also think the season is still salvageable.

If they spent BHA type money in the transfer market then they should be content with BHA type results

You cannot spend 10times what Brighton did and be okay with Brightons result

DeZerbi joined Brighton after TenHag

What does salvageable looks like? Winning the CL? Semi finals, Winning the league top 2-3? Top 4 or top 10? when you now compare to other coaches with similar budget. Now think that a coach who has spent 2yrs ends up with these "salvaged result" Is it tenable to the board who have splashed so much on him and will that give confidence to give him another 200-300M for next season

Android17:
Is the Real Madrid Job of today the most coveted job in world football? Bear in mind that Conté, Klopp and even Hansi Flick have sneezed at Real Madrid in recent times. Would they have done so in the past?

I am not against bad managers getting fired. I am all for giving managers who have shown some degree of measurable success some leeway when they inevitably experience some bad times.

Real Madrid is still one of the most coveted jobs in football, When you succeed at a club of the stature of Madrid you get acclaims like no where else

Conte and Flick where are they now? Klopp is probably scared of going to a club so demanding that you must win every season, you must win in style, you must win by using specific players the management want. Klopp deliberately avoids high pressure environment.
Coaches have turned down Madrid in the past it was rumored that Wenger at his peak also turned them down because of the same Klopp reason, He cannot thrive in a high pressure and regulated environment where you dont get a free hand

Most coaches hired by a top club have shown either success or potential to be successful

Android17:
Pep and Enrique left of their own volition. In both cases, the club wanted to renew because they wanted to appear as stable. Real Madrid hoped to have that with Zidane because they have realized their errors.

I don't think what I am suggesting is so against the grain. Every manager desires such an environment. Bayern are pampering Tuchel because they realize they did not handle other managers well and you guys now have the same reputation. Would you not have fired Joachim Löw? But see how much time Germany gave him. Do you think Xabi Alonso would want to coach Bayern today seeing how your board treated Naggelsman?

Tuchel though not performing to standard expected of Bayern is still getting his own benefit of doubt, cos he won the league last season regardless of the circumstance, he has won all his CL games and he will get his courtesy 1 yr , even Kovac without the pedigree of Tuchel got over 1yr, to try to steady his ship before the hammer came

Low got that much time because he had a track record of success with Germany. With Low, Germany made semi in 2008, semi in 2010, semi in 2012, World cup winner in 2014, semi in 2016. These success afforded him the benefit of doubt in 2018 and 2020

Alonso will either go to Madrid or Bayern regardless of how they have treated their coaches in the past because he knows those are the pinnacle of football. Or you think he will rather stay in Leverkusen?

odizeey:


I no gree.

In a year without an obvious contender, a strong 3months is enough to sway voters

I remember saying here that De Gea is the least of the problem we had. We had other areas we needed to strengthen. A CF, Winger, CM and DM and a CB but ETH went for a keeper instead when a CB was more of a pressing concern. Bar Martinez and Varane the rest are not good enough to consistently start games...

We are not even seeing the benefit of a ball playing goalie because they're still gapping holes in the team. In two seasons, ETH has failed to fix the RW problem and midfield problem. The jury is still out on the CF ish...We are in trouble...

afrodoc2:


But I have blamed Murtough several times for that deal nah. The truth however is that ETH has to share a large chunk in that blame. If it was a player that had no prior link to ETH so he was depending only on our scouts’ reports one can cut him some slack or if it was a player whose potential or qualities were in the neighbourhood of 80m but for ETH to give the okay to the club spending 80m on a player like Antony (a player he knew very well) is borderline negligence.

He now compounded it by chasing Mount the next offseason. A player the average EPL fan recognised was a flop waiting to happen.

If his talent evaluation is so poor then it is going to be a recurring problem. The guy has even got me doubting Kobbie Mainoo cos for ETH to like him so much I am becoming suspicious.

This is like blaming Rangnick for being a bad manager when he is known as a renowned technical director.

ETH is only good at being a coach, why are you blaming him for being incompetent at player transfers?

Leyqute:


This is like blaming Rangnick for being a bad manager when he is known as a renowned technical director.

ETH is only good at being a coach, why are you blaming him for being incompetent at player transfers?

I am blaming him for not knowing his limitations. Whatever happened with the Rangnick dismissal it is clear that ETH did not fight to have him retained. He then decided to push for players that he knew, discarding the list that Rangnick had prepared and discarding whatever the scouts submitted.

In essence, despite being poor in player evaluation he forced through his own choices. Based on that he has to share in the blame for the transfer flops. I can't pity him if it goes pear-shaped.

raumdeuter:


In a year without an obvious contender, a strong 3months is enough to sway voters

How many goals did he score in those three months?

We shouldn't deviate from my main argument sha

If Antony had scored 20 goals and had 10 assists last season everybody (including me) would have been hyping ETH has a supreme judge of great talent. Now that his targets have become duds let him chop SOME of the criticism for that too.

afrodoc2:


I am blaming him for not knowing his limitations. Whatever happened with the Rangnick dismissal it is clear that ETH did not fight to have him retained. He then decided to push for players that he knew, discarding the list that Rangnick had prepared and discarding whatever the scouts submitted.

In essence, despite being poor in player evaluation he forced through his own choices. Based on that he has to share in the blame for the transfer flops. I can't pity him if it goes pear-shaped.

Of course, he shoulders blames for the wacky transfer window.

What I'm saying is that if things were done in the right way, that tf window wouldn't have happened. It's like hiring Paul Mitchell as doF and allowing him to coach the players from time to time. O wrong.

There are many ways to fail at building a good team.

Leyqute:


Of course, he shoulders blames for the wacky transfer window.

What I'm saying is that if things were done in the right way, that tf window wouldn't have happened. It's like hiring Paul Mitchell as doF and allowing him to coach the players from time to time. O wrong.

There are many ways to fail at building a good team.

I don't get your point. If you agree he shoulders blame, then we have no disagreement. I never said we should not improve club structure and get a proper DoF. What i don't agree with is this narrative that ETH has not made mistakes. He has made a number of huge mistakes, and he should bear his own cross. Murtough and co will bear their own cross too. There are enough crosses to share around.

afrodoc2:


I don't get your point. If you agree he shoulders blame, then we have no disagreement. I never said we should not improve club structure and get a proper DoF. What i don't agree with is this narrative that ETH has not made mistakes. He has made a number of huge mistakes, and he should bear his own cross. Murtough and co will bear their own cross too. There are enough crosses to share around.

Fair.

He has made tf mistakes for which he should be blamed. But if we had a good structure etc, he won't be in the position to make those mistakes.

That's my point.

Leyqute:


Fair.

He has made tf mistakes for which he should be blamed. But if we had a good structure etc, he won't be in the position to make those mistakes.

That's my point.

I never said otherwise. I have always been pushing for a good support structure for the manager with quality DoF and scouting. He was the one who put himself in harm's way when he started hiring mainly from players that he knew.

afrodoc2:


The guy was on mad form that season. That was the first time people saw a player and legitimately felt he might threaten Pele. Scoring 34 league goals in a La Liga season was uncommon in the 90s. Only Romario had come close and Hugo Sanchez was the last to surpass that but neither of them added jet-fuelled dazzling dribbles it.

P.S I forgot Maradona. I was talking about attackers.

When I was growing up, the way I was hearing Ronaldo then is just like how people who don't really know ball are hearing Messi and Cr7. Granted, they are good players that time but I believe the standard R9 was setting then was too extraordinary not to behold (just as how Messi and Cr7 did).

And that's exactly what I wanted Od.izeey to know cos Wikipedia no fit show all these things

odizeey:





Same you asking for club achievements in a world cup year for someone who won the golden ball and golden boot.

I brought someone who won same Uefa cup in a year he won the Balon dor and all we get is stories.

Continue. I rest my case

Like I said, that's not a world cup year. If it was, I doubt if he'd have won it. I'm sure he would have done 3 peat if Brazil had won it in 98 and not Zidane (which I believed WC esp that final aided his world best).

R9 was a monster in 96/97. Aside smashing the goal record in la Liga and Barca (something it took years before Messi broke), he won all the trophies Barca participated in aside La Liga (in which Barca finished 2nd) and he was the overall goalscorer in all(supercopa, Copa del Rey, uefa cup). Add his mesmerising skills and dribbles then you'll imagine how he was feared. In Brazil that same year, he won Copa America and confederation cup too.

With the fact that it wasn't a world cup year and nobody reach his back in terms of performances, who do you think FIFA would give?

That's the football threshold I was talking about that he broke.

Something Forlan never did even though he won Europa.

As it 97, I don dey hear R9 name oo. That time, my eyes never even strong for ball.

Meanwhile, I didn't even hear Forlan name in 2010 when my eyes don clear for football well (na just Messi and Cr7 we dey hear) until world cup proper.

Na that person you want make dem dash overall world best with Europa?

Jodera:
Like I said, that's not a world cup year. If it was, I doubt if he'd have won it. I'm sure he would have done 3 peat if Brazil had won it in 98 and not Zidane (which I believed WC esp that final aided his world best).

R9 was a monster in 96/97. Aside smashing the goal record in la Liga and Barca (something it took years before Messi broke), he won all the trophies Barca participated in aside La Liga (in which Barca finished 2nd) and he was the overall goalscorer in all(supercopa, Copa del Rey, uefa cup). Add his mesmerising skills and dribbles then you'll imagine how he was feared. In Brazil that same year, he won Copa America and confederation cup too.

With the fact that it wasn't a world cup year and nobody reach his back in terms of performances, who do you think FIFA would give?

That's the football threshold I was talking about that he broke.

Something Forlan never did even though he won Europa.

As it 97, I don dey hear R9 name oo. That time, my eyes never even strong for ball.

Meanwhile, I didn't even hear Forlan name (na just Messi and Cr7 we dey hear) until world cup proper.

Na that person you want make dem dash overall world best with Europa?

All your long story and you still did not acknowledge the fact that Forlan was the best WC player in a WC year winning what R9 won in 97.

You asked for club achievements and it was given to you. Now you dey run helter skelter.

odizeey:


All your long story and you still did not acknowledge the fact that Forlan was the best WC player in a WC year winning what R9 won in 97.

You asked for club achievements and it was given to you. Now you dey run helter skelter.

I talked about threshold.

Ronaldo won world best with Europa by breaking the threshold


Which threshold Forlan do wey dem wan recognise am with Europa?

Jodera:

I talked about threshold.

Ronaldo won world best with Europa by breaking the threshold


Which threshold Forlan do wey dem wan recognise am with Europa?

Again, conveniently leaving out WC exploits.

I no argue again.

odizeey:


Again, conveniently leaving out WC exploits.

I no argue again.

If Ronaldo no send you Christmas hamper we go protest. Isheloshe
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