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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Procashtips(m): 7:01pm On Dec 06, 2023
Boyooosa:


Did ancestral Binis meet anyone in the land when they went there, before naming it Eko?

Stop jumping around, you claimed the Benins conquered who they met there, so I'm asking, do you have any evidence of a war between the Benins and the people you claimed they met on the land they later named Eko?

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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Burruchaga71(m): 7:06pm On Dec 06, 2023
What ever.
Lagos remains no man's land anyday anytime.

Period!!
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by fijihems: 7:09pm On Dec 06, 2023
Why all the noise about who discovered Lagos and who did not? People only discovered what was already in existence even before them. It doesn't mean they created anything. Afterall we were told that Mongu Park discovered the River Niger. And so be it.
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Christistruth00: 7:13pm On Dec 06, 2023
Omobude244:

who in ora family na?

the person nor get name ni?

Ora
.

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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Boyooosa(m): 7:14pm On Dec 06, 2023
Procashtips:


Stop jumping around, you claimed the Benins conquered who they met there, so I'm asking, do you have any evidence of a war between the Benins and the people you claimed they met on the land they later named Eko?

Bro, all these stuff are claims and counter-claims. None of us existed then but are both reading history - don't get aggressive.

Mw, in situations like this, we judge/decide via logics and common sense....

An established truth is, the ancestral Binis migrated from Benin to the acclaimed Eko (a part in today's Lagos) as claimed by all the historians, Oba of Benin, Akpolopolo inclusive.

My enquiry is, did they (the ancestral Binis) meet any existing soul in the 'founded' land?

After all, the Oba of Benin has not refuted this claim by the other historians

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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Omobude244: 7:20pm On Dec 06, 2023
Christistruth00:


Ora was Oduduwa's Father
.

and who was Ora? grin
how did Ora came about?

ur mind nor go reach ground grin
just see ur life for outside

we the Edos own u guys
just admit and move on
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Christistruth00: 7:22pm On Dec 06, 2023
Omobude244:


and who was Ora? grin
how did Ora came about?

ur mind nor go reach ground grin
just see ur life for outside

we the Edos own u guys
just admit and move on

And you didn't know that Obagodo of Ile Ife founded Igodomigodo Kingdom which is now Benin?!


Even Ora we know who he was !

You didn't even know that it was Ife that Founded the Ogiso dynasty

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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by thinkmoney(m): 7:24pm On Dec 06, 2023
infofta:


Binis never conquered Eko. It was founded by the Binis because of its close proximity to the Ocean which was vital for trade with the British. Other Yorubas joined the trade and they were made to pay royalties to the Oba of Bini. There might be other Yorubas in other parts before the Binis came but not Eko. The name was given to it by the Binis
I have had this argument too much. I can’t go over it again. Benin’s force under Ashipa conquered Eko. Please instead of arguing here with me u can quickly research it.
I do not know who got to Lagos first, but when Benin conquered it, it was Aworis they conquered and subjugated
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by jojothaiv(m): 7:24pm On Dec 06, 2023
People sha
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Christistruth00: 7:26pm On Dec 06, 2023
thinkmoney:

I have had this argument too much. I can’t go over it again. Benin’s force under Ashipa conquered Eko. Please instead of arguing here with me u can quickly research it.
I do not know who got to Lagos first, but when Benin conquered it, it was Aworis they conquered and subjugated


Benin cannot Swim
Benin Cannot Canoe
Benin didn't Conquer Lagos


Benin was carried to Lagos Island by the Yoruba Itsekiri who had Ijebu roots in the area

The Awori who were under Oyo at the time granted you permission to Stay in Lagos Island and that is why Oba of Benin and Oba of Lagos has no Land in Lagos because he didn't Conquer it !!


Ask the Oba of Benin to sell you one Square kilometer of Lagos if you think he conquered it

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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Raf4: 7:27pm On Dec 06, 2023
greggng:
If I were the yorubas I will Bury there face in shame . The aworis they claimed that founded lagos also paid tax to the Benin. All the obas thst ruled lagos were all buried in Benin except one . Nigerians now know the truth about lagos

All the Bini obas' heads were buried in Ile-Ife (Orun Oba Ado shrine) except that of Akenzua II and Ereduawa II. So what's your point?

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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Omobude244: 7:30pm On Dec 06, 2023
Christistruth00:


And you didn't know that Obagodo of Ile Ife founded Igodomigodo Kingdom which is now Benin?!
lolz
nobody founded igodomigodo. igodomigodo was a collection of many villages and communities that came together and agreed to have one king.
ogiso igodo(obagodo) was chosen as the head among the odionweres. he rule very well and the kingship was left to his lineage. a name was also chosen for the entire community and they named it after him

our history is rooted

we dont go about claiming what doesnt exist like oduduwa falling from the sky, trekking all the way from saudi arabia or coming from none existent Oke Ora family grin
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Christistruth00: 7:31pm On Dec 06, 2023
Omobude244:

lolz
nobody founded igodomigodo. igodomigodo was a collection of many villages and communities that came together and agreed to have one king.
ogiso igodo(obagodo) was chosen as the head among the odionweres. he rule very well and the kingship was left to his lineage. a name was also chosen for the entire community and they named it after him

our history is rooted

we dont go about claiming what doesnt exist like oduduwa falling from the sky, trekking all the way from saudi arabia or coming from none existent Oke Ora family grin

Ogiso Obagodo from Ile ife founded Igodomigodo now known as Benin

Also Oba Ado was Awori Yoruba from isheri

His father was the ashipa of isheri

Oba of Benin was his Maternal Grandfather

There is a lot of difference between a Father and Grandfather

The Portuguese Embassy in Abuja has already done a Newspaper Interview to say it was Awori Yoruba that they found in Lagos in 1472

https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/portuguese-founded-lagos-but-did-not-discover-nigeria-diplomat/48420

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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Omobude244: 7:31pm On Dec 06, 2023
Raf4:


All the Bini obas' heads were buried in Ile-Ife (Orun Oba Ado shrine) except that of Akenzua II and Ereduawa II. So what's your point?
do u want to know why?
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by thinkmoney(m): 7:32pm On Dec 06, 2023
Christistruth00:


Itsekiri were under Benin Voluntarily

Just the same way the Egbas have 4 kings at Abeokuta and none is Superior to the other
It was a Voluntary mutually beneficial
association especially for Joint self defense
See, it’s because u guys do not understand how things work in the historical past or u just want to satisfy some bias. Nobody comes under anybody voluntarily. Benin was the controlling power in all of these areas then. Others did her biddings. When she wants to go to war they must also join her to fight

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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Omobude244: 7:33pm On Dec 06, 2023
[quote author=Christistruth00 post=127351528][/quote]
lolz
u have shared this rubbish one million times

rest in jesus name
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Mccullum: 7:35pm On Dec 06, 2023
Don't mind Oba of Benin, with all logical analysis, it's very obvious that Benin can't be the founder of anywhere in Lagos.

If he said that Benin invaded Lagos and established monarch, it'll have been more common sensical and it won't make any sense to debunk such.

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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Raf4: 7:37pm On Dec 06, 2023
Procashtips:


Stop jumping around, you claimed the Benins conquered who they met there, so I'm asking, do you have any evidence of a war between the Benins and the people you claimed they met on the land they later named Eko?

Bini didn't name anywhere Eko. Eko is shortened form of Ereko.
B4 Bini invasion, there were settlements/communities like Isheri, Iddo, Ebute-Meta, Ebute-Ero, Ereko (that eventually becomes Eko)
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Christistruth00: 7:38pm On Dec 06, 2023
Omobude244:

lolz
u have shared this rubbish one million times

rest in jesus name


We have only Just started
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by thinkmoney(m): 7:39pm On Dec 06, 2023
Christistruth00:



Look!!

Without the Itsekiri Benin couldn't even get to Lagos not to talk of having a post there
The Itsekiri 's Ijebu relatives were in Lagos!


Can Benin Swim ,NO
Can Benin Canoe NO

Na Itsekiri put you for head carry Benin come Lagos

Benin collapsed in Lagos on the same day the Itsekiri became Independent of Benin

Since the Benin are not Capable of Walking on Water to Lagos
My friend no talk again abeg. U no know has things dey work. You think it was 20 people that were in Benin? Only in the city the Portuguese wrote that there were about 50thousand people. And when u compare it with cities then, it was one of the biggest cities in the world in its time.
What’s boat that they couldn’t build. People that then built organised cities with straight roads and street lights (testimony of the Portuguese). Itshekiri was their arm close to the coast. Benin wasn’t a coastal town, but Itshekiri being a junior ally had what was effectively the naval arm of the Benin Empire. When Benin needs to wage wars that had to be around water Itshekiris were bound to provide the necessary logistics. That’s how it works. Even if the Oba had boats which one can imagine it had because they sent ambassadors to European countries and even had a prince of theirs travel to Europe, they most probably would have anchored those boats/ships in ports in Itshekiri and maybe Eko
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by thinkmoney(m): 7:40pm On Dec 06, 2023
Christistruth00:



Benin cannot Swim
Benin Cannot Canoe
Benin didn't Conquer Lagos


Benin was carried to Lagos Island by the Yoruba Itsekiri who had Ijebu roots in the area

The Awori who were under Oyo at the time granted you permission to Stay in Lagos Island and that is why Oba of Benin and Oba of Lagos has no Land in Lagos because he didn't Conquer it !!


Ask the Oba of Benin to sell you one Square kilometer of Lagos if you think he conquered it
Go and read please. I do not know history
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Dobodobo04: 7:41pm On Dec 06, 2023
This argument is not hard to settle.

1) Proximity. Edo State is landlocked, so getting to Lagos by waterways would make u first go through Ondo shores. Whereas, Ondo, Ogun, Benin Republic have stronger claims than a landlocked Benin Kingdom.

2) Language: Are there similarities between languages that shows conquest? Can a modern day Lagosian understand any language spoken in or around Benin kingdom? If truly Benin Kingdom found Lagos, what happened to traces of their language?? Why isn’t it more pronounced in Lagos? Egun is still spoken in Lagos and how come it hasn’t died out?

3) Archaeology… Are there any artefacts found in Lagos that could be traced to Benin Kingdom? Did Benin Empire build ferries to travel across the rivers and are there remnants found?

4) Genetics. Let’s take samples of current Lagosians that could trace their origin back 100s of years in Lagos and let’s see if their genes have strong correlation with Benin kingdom.

Overall, I think the truth is some few people from Benin Kingdom probably settled in Lagos just as people might have migrated from other Adjoining towns like Ogun, Ondo, Dahomey, etc, but to lay bold claim like the Oba of Benin just did is far fetched.

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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by tyinfinity: 7:41pm On Dec 06, 2023
The only thing I know is that ovoramwen pass through Lagos and rested there for two weeks before he embarked on his journey into exile

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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by sylve11: 7:44pm On Dec 06, 2023
ConfidentialDoc:
Yoruba, I suspect is one of the oldest tribes in the world. If not the oldest, with roots tracing back to Adam.

Yes, both Adam and Eve were Yoruba undecided cool

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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Procashtips(m): 7:45pm On Dec 06, 2023
Raf4:


Bini didn't name anywhere Eko. Eko is shortened form of Ereko.
B4 Bini invasion, there were settlements/communities like Isheri, Iddo, Ebute-Meta, Ebute-Ero, Ereko (that eventually becomes Eko)

You people won't stop lying

Not only ereko, it's eranko.


I ask again, do you have evidence of a war between the Benin Kingdom and the so called indigenes of a land with no name later named Camp (Eko) by the Benins?
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by sylve11: 7:45pm On Dec 06, 2023
Abagworo:
There was nothing like Yoruba in history so any write up based on addressing it as Yoruba is null and void. What existed in the past were settlements of modern day Igala and Yoruba whom the slaves of same origin identified as "Lukumi" an Igala phrase for "My Friend". The present day Yoruba translation is "Oremi" .
The equivalent of Benin then was Oyo before Yoruba was created by the returnee slaves and Europeans by merging related groups together under one umbrella and adopting Oyo as their general language.


Hmmmm cool
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by nearline(m): 7:46pm On Dec 06, 2023
All these arguments. What I have to say is that if the Awori people founded Lagos then there is no such thing as another group of people coming from another place to found what has already been founded — in this case a modern version of the same
place in the same geographical location 🤦🏾‍♂️. They may have significantly changed the way things operated after their arrival but that is not equal to or equivalent to founding the place. You can’t found modern America, for example. You can only found America and maybe later, at a modern time, change things drastically. And if a new founding is to be done anywhere with a name that already exists it usually comes with the word “New” attached to it. Like Mexico and New Mexico.
Just my opinion.

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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by ConfidentialDoc: 7:51pm On Dec 06, 2023
sylve11:


Yes, both Adam and Eve were Yoruba undecided cool

Or maybe they spoke Egun... smiley
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Omobude244: 7:57pm On Dec 06, 2023
Christistruth00:


We have only Just started
and it is making u to look like zombie and stupid
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 8:14pm On Dec 06, 2023
FreeStuffsNG:
It remains a shame that there was even an attempt to use dishonest means to revise history and suggest that the original owners of the land are now the bini settlers. Haba!What a fraud!

It's so sad and it's a lesson to communities currently giving land to settlers to ensure that they keep records very well like our Yoruba forebears did. Kudos to our forebears for keeping accurate records for a period like this. They had the foresight that some of the descendants of the settlers may some day lie that they own the land.

But for these history books that documented who owns Lagos, none of our forebears would have ever proven to us that they had an inkling and foresight that some day the descendants of bini visitors in Lagos will some day covet and brazenly lie that they own Lagos. Ha! Aiye ma nika o.

Asari Dokubo was absolutely right in his account and his anger at the Oba of Benin was because the Oba of Benin even removed the assistance his Ijaw gave to the Benin who attacked that part of Yorubaland.

It's been one lie after another further diminishing the Benin in the eyes of many. From the bursting of the Benin lie that the Oba of Benin never leaves the palace , internet era came and exposed the blatant lie. Next was lie that they did not originate from Ile Ife and heads of past Oba of Benin were not buried in Ile Ife but the Yoruba elders were so clever to preserve the history and location in Ile Ife till date. The 3rd lie is the attempt to claim a land that does not belong to them not knowing that the Yoruba documented it well.

The only reason I think they lie in this manner is pride. Now pride has led to fall.

Below is a picture that shows how far behind the Oba of Benin is behind the Ooni of Ife. This picture, all other evidences including the Orun Oba Ado in Ile Ife and oldest history books is the triumph of history over lies. Check my signature for free stuffs!

Read this

The historian who first came out with such a fallcious statement that the oba of Benin heads were being buried in Ife, was a benin historian with the name Dr jacob Egharevba.
Egharevba earliest work is a mix of oral traditions and speculation which he corrected in his later works, however as a matter of fact it's a traditional practice in Benin that kings of the various vassals state, under Benin control would come back to bury the previous king heads in Benin in order to notify the oba that the previous monarchy was dead this journey to Benin can only be carried out by the incoming successor who will stay in Benin for months or years to learn the ways of the Benins before going back to take his father's position as king. however this practice was never a tradition in ile-Ife as no other of the supposed oduduwa sons had a burial site making it suspecious and fallacious from Egharevba who was equipped with the Benin oral history and had mix oral tradition of the Benins with his imagination to forge the orun oba ado tradition which he termed in his book `Ile Ife the final resting place of the oba of Benin' Egharevba had writing with no consultation or whatsoever and was not even close to the palace to begin with, his works lacked referencing other than just pure selfish intrest he could derive from the then watern region the edos where under at that time, Frank Willet a french historian did an excavation on the very orun oba ado site in 1969 hoping to find some truth in what yoruba belive to be an historical site, all nine site the excavation took place was empty and nothing was found in them it is of most importance to note that at the time the supposed myth of oromiyan visit to benin, her name was still called igodomigodo and not yet ado that originated from oba ewaure a long distance predecessor of oba eweka 1

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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ijaya123: 8:15pm On Dec 06, 2023
sotall:

And who was Oduduwa?

You have not answered the question
Why evading it to ask another question?
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 8:17pm On Dec 06, 2023
raskymonojendor:
It has always been an Awori settlement and the Ijebus as well around the Epe, Ikorodu and some Lekki areas. The bini soldiers came over 100 years after the Awori had settled in the land. Much ado over nothing.

Anyway, Lagos is covered by Ogun, then Ondo. It seems God knew many strange tribes would try to covet the land and eledumare decided to protect it with two Yoruba states.

Tiny piece haha

Read this
The Benins in lagos were not settlers like the yorubas want us to belive trouble started started when aworis kept harrasing the Benin trading merchant and Lagos had to be brought to his knees, after trading our merchant went back to Benin and after the war only 3 people stayed back to form the new lagos colony under the great Benin general oshodi who led the Benin army's and two of his other subordinate the first capital was at badary when trade died there, trade began booming in the Lagos island and the needed to move it to lagos island became a possibility which was later carried out because you don't see Benin influence on other part of lagos does not mean the oba didn't rule over the entire region called lagos now

2nd picture is the tiny piece of land (coloured red) the Benin occupied when they arrived with their soldiers.

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