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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Procashtips(m): 7:01pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Boyooosa: Stop jumping around, you claimed the Benins conquered who they met there, so I'm asking, do you have any evidence of a war between the Benins and the people you claimed they met on the land they later named Eko? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Burruchaga71(m): 7:06pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
What ever. Lagos remains no man's land anyday anytime. Period!! |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by fijihems: 7:09pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Why all the noise about who discovered Lagos and who did not? People only discovered what was already in existence even before them. It doesn't mean they created anything. Afterall we were told that Mongu Park discovered the River Niger. And so be it. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Christistruth00: 7:13pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Boyooosa(m): 7:14pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Procashtips: Bro, all these stuff are claims and counter-claims. None of us existed then but are both reading history - don't get aggressive. Mw, in situations like this, we judge/decide via logics and common sense.... An established truth is, the ancestral Binis migrated from Benin to the acclaimed Eko (a part in today's Lagos) as claimed by all the historians, Oba of Benin, Akpolopolo inclusive. My enquiry is, did they (the ancestral Binis) meet any existing soul in the 'founded' land? After all, the Oba of Benin has not refuted this claim by the other historians 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Omobude244: 7:20pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Christistruth00: and who was Ora? how did Ora came about? ur mind nor go reach ground just see ur life for outside we the Edos own u guys just admit and move on |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Christistruth00: 7:22pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Omobude244: And you didn't know that Obagodo of Ile Ife founded Igodomigodo Kingdom which is now Benin?! Even Ora we know who he was ! You didn't even know that it was Ife that Founded the Ogiso dynasty 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by thinkmoney(m): 7:24pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
infofta:I have had this argument too much. I can’t go over it again. Benin’s force under Ashipa conquered Eko. Please instead of arguing here with me u can quickly research it. I do not know who got to Lagos first, but when Benin conquered it, it was Aworis they conquered and subjugated |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by jojothaiv(m): 7:24pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
People sha |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Christistruth00: 7:26pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
thinkmoney: Benin cannot Swim Benin Cannot Canoe Benin didn't Conquer Lagos Benin was carried to Lagos Island by the Yoruba Itsekiri who had Ijebu roots in the area The Awori who were under Oyo at the time granted you permission to Stay in Lagos Island and that is why Oba of Benin and Oba of Lagos has no Land in Lagos because he didn't Conquer it !! Ask the Oba of Benin to sell you one Square kilometer of Lagos if you think he conquered it 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Raf4: 7:27pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
greggng: All the Bini obas' heads were buried in Ile-Ife (Orun Oba Ado shrine) except that of Akenzua II and Ereduawa II. So what's your point? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Omobude244: 7:30pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Christistruth00:lolz nobody founded igodomigodo. igodomigodo was a collection of many villages and communities that came together and agreed to have one king. ogiso igodo(obagodo) was chosen as the head among the odionweres. he rule very well and the kingship was left to his lineage. a name was also chosen for the entire community and they named it after him our history is rooted we dont go about claiming what doesnt exist like oduduwa falling from the sky, trekking all the way from saudi arabia or coming from none existent Oke Ora family |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Christistruth00: 7:31pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Omobude244: Ogiso Obagodo from Ile ife founded Igodomigodo now known as Benin Also Oba Ado was Awori Yoruba from isheri His father was the ashipa of isheri Oba of Benin was his Maternal Grandfather There is a lot of difference between a Father and Grandfather The Portuguese Embassy in Abuja has already done a Newspaper Interview to say it was Awori Yoruba that they found in Lagos in 1472 https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/portuguese-founded-lagos-but-did-not-discover-nigeria-diplomat/48420 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Omobude244: 7:31pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Raf4:do u want to know why? |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by thinkmoney(m): 7:32pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Christistruth00:See, it’s because u guys do not understand how things work in the historical past or u just want to satisfy some bias. Nobody comes under anybody voluntarily. Benin was the controlling power in all of these areas then. Others did her biddings. When she wants to go to war they must also join her to fight 1 Like |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Omobude244: 7:33pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
[quote author=Christistruth00 post=127351528][/quote] lolz u have shared this rubbish one million times rest in jesus name |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Mccullum: 7:35pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Don't mind Oba of Benin, with all logical analysis, it's very obvious that Benin can't be the founder of anywhere in Lagos. If he said that Benin invaded Lagos and established monarch, it'll have been more common sensical and it won't make any sense to debunk such. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Raf4: 7:37pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Procashtips: Bini didn't name anywhere Eko. Eko is shortened form of Ereko. B4 Bini invasion, there were settlements/communities like Isheri, Iddo, Ebute-Meta, Ebute-Ero, Ereko (that eventually becomes Eko) |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Christistruth00: 7:38pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Omobude244: We have only Just started |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by thinkmoney(m): 7:39pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Christistruth00:My friend no talk again abeg. U no know has things dey work. You think it was 20 people that were in Benin? Only in the city the Portuguese wrote that there were about 50thousand people. And when u compare it with cities then, it was one of the biggest cities in the world in its time. What’s boat that they couldn’t build. People that then built organised cities with straight roads and street lights (testimony of the Portuguese). Itshekiri was their arm close to the coast. Benin wasn’t a coastal town, but Itshekiri being a junior ally had what was effectively the naval arm of the Benin Empire. When Benin needs to wage wars that had to be around water Itshekiris were bound to provide the necessary logistics. That’s how it works. Even if the Oba had boats which one can imagine it had because they sent ambassadors to European countries and even had a prince of theirs travel to Europe, they most probably would have anchored those boats/ships in ports in Itshekiri and maybe Eko |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by thinkmoney(m): 7:40pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Christistruth00:Go and read please. I do not know history |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Dobodobo04: 7:41pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
This argument is not hard to settle. 1) Proximity. Edo State is landlocked, so getting to Lagos by waterways would make u first go through Ondo shores. Whereas, Ondo, Ogun, Benin Republic have stronger claims than a landlocked Benin Kingdom. 2) Language: Are there similarities between languages that shows conquest? Can a modern day Lagosian understand any language spoken in or around Benin kingdom? If truly Benin Kingdom found Lagos, what happened to traces of their language?? Why isn’t it more pronounced in Lagos? Egun is still spoken in Lagos and how come it hasn’t died out? 3) Archaeology… Are there any artefacts found in Lagos that could be traced to Benin Kingdom? Did Benin Empire build ferries to travel across the rivers and are there remnants found? 4) Genetics. Let’s take samples of current Lagosians that could trace their origin back 100s of years in Lagos and let’s see if their genes have strong correlation with Benin kingdom. Overall, I think the truth is some few people from Benin Kingdom probably settled in Lagos just as people might have migrated from other Adjoining towns like Ogun, Ondo, Dahomey, etc, but to lay bold claim like the Oba of Benin just did is far fetched. 1 Like |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by tyinfinity: 7:41pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
The only thing I know is that ovoramwen pass through Lagos and rested there for two weeks before he embarked on his journey into exile 1 Like |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by sylve11: 7:44pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
ConfidentialDoc: Yes, both Adam and Eve were Yoruba 1 Like |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Procashtips(m): 7:45pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Raf4: You people won't stop lying Not only ereko, it's eranko. I ask again, do you have evidence of a war between the Benin Kingdom and the so called indigenes of a land with no name later named Camp (Eko) by the Benins? |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by sylve11: 7:45pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Abagworo: Hmmmm |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by nearline(m): 7:46pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
All these arguments. What I have to say is that if the Awori people founded Lagos then there is no such thing as another group of people coming from another place to found what has already been founded — in this case a modern version of the same place in the same geographical location 🤦🏾♂️. They may have significantly changed the way things operated after their arrival but that is not equal to or equivalent to founding the place. You can’t found modern America, for example. You can only found America and maybe later, at a modern time, change things drastically. And if a new founding is to be done anywhere with a name that already exists it usually comes with the word “New” attached to it. Like Mexico and New Mexico. Just my opinion. 1 Like |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by ConfidentialDoc: 7:51pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
sylve11: Or maybe they spoke Egun... |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Omobude244: 7:57pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Christistruth00:and it is making u to look like zombie and stupid |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 8:14pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
FreeStuffsNG: Read this The historian who first came out with such a fallcious statement that the oba of Benin heads were being buried in Ife, was a benin historian with the name Dr jacob Egharevba. Egharevba earliest work is a mix of oral traditions and speculation which he corrected in his later works, however as a matter of fact it's a traditional practice in Benin that kings of the various vassals state, under Benin control would come back to bury the previous king heads in Benin in order to notify the oba that the previous monarchy was dead this journey to Benin can only be carried out by the incoming successor who will stay in Benin for months or years to learn the ways of the Benins before going back to take his father's position as king. however this practice was never a tradition in ile-Ife as no other of the supposed oduduwa sons had a burial site making it suspecious and fallacious from Egharevba who was equipped with the Benin oral history and had mix oral tradition of the Benins with his imagination to forge the orun oba ado tradition which he termed in his book `Ile Ife the final resting place of the oba of Benin' Egharevba had writing with no consultation or whatsoever and was not even close to the palace to begin with, his works lacked referencing other than just pure selfish intrest he could derive from the then watern region the edos where under at that time, Frank Willet a french historian did an excavation on the very orun oba ado site in 1969 hoping to find some truth in what yoruba belive to be an historical site, all nine site the excavation took place was empty and nothing was found in them it is of most importance to note that at the time the supposed myth of oromiyan visit to benin, her name was still called igodomigodo and not yet ado that originated from oba ewaure a long distance predecessor of oba eweka 1 1 Like |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ijaya123: 8:15pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
sotall: You have not answered the question Why evading it to ask another question? |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 8:17pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
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