₦airaland Forum

Ghostagain:
The "yorubas" are not a homogenous group of people.
Some of them are slave decendants from Brazil, Cuba ...or decendants from local escapee slaves like the egbas, some are from oyo kingdom (also called yarri.ba)...
It is well recorded that Lagos was flooded by all these people as soon as the British took over Lagos in 1861 from Benin. The flooding continued well into postcolonial Nigeria and it is still ongoing today

Ghostagain:
Map of Africa published in 1570:
https://collections.leventhalmap.org/search/commonwealth:st74cw506#

OyinO:
You want to intimidate me? Who gave Lagos its name?

Ghostagain:
Are you aware that the name "Africa" is a Greek word ?
Does that mean that Africa was first a Greek settlement?

OyinO:
Colonial maps were based on crude estimates because the explorers and expeditors remained much at the coasts, so little was known of most areas. They used the people they like to dominate others.

OyinO:
Africa is not a Greek word please. Research again. Besides, we are talking of a settlement and not a continent.

Thebadpolitican:
This man, you still never comot from Nl,

Yoruba defender

Anyway everything you said is baseless

What of it we turn the table around and say the the yorubas were originally edos that due to the infusion of many tribes into the yoruba population their edoness diluted

How you see your logic

OyinO:
Lagos was not founded but was used as a port city by the Portuguese. The Benin people were only co-settlers with other groups that also settled on the islands in that geographical area. The Yorubas only used their close proximity in nearby Yoruba areas to flock in and takeover during and after colonial administration.

OyinO:
You want to intimidate me? Who gave Lagos its name? Is the word Lagos a Yoruba word? Are you not aware that all the Yoruba settlements carry or bear Yoruba names till date? So how come Yorubas founded Lagos without naming it according to native parlance? Colonial maps were based on crude estimates because the explorers and expeditors remained much at the coasts, so little was known of most areas. They used the people they like to dominate others.

Thebadpolitican:
My screenshot to you says even the Portuguese called it eko, curomo meaning ekonuame the full word the Benin gave to the lagos settlement

The Portuguese had their own name they gave the settlement they likened lagos as one of their city in Portugal called lagos and they nicknames it in their text as lagos interchangeably with the word eko

OyinO:
You want to intimidate me? Who gave Lagos its name? Is the word Lagos a Yoruba word? Are you not aware that all the Yoruba settlements carry or bear Yoruba names till date? So how come Yorubas founded Lagos without naming it according to native parlance? Colonial maps were based on crude estimates because the explorers and expeditors remained much at the coasts, so little was known of most areas. They used the people they like to dominate others.

Thebadpolitican:
Do you know benin have a strong cultural presence in ekiti and ondo, benin conquered those areas you're half baked in history don't call yourself names you're not entitled to

Ask why ayelala is only found in edo and ondo

As for the olokun it is there in my screenshot it says the worshipers of other orishas in the town of the ondo they are in would come to their house to join his parents who are Benins to watch in amazement the process of olokun worship

This link would also explain the presence of Benins in ondo

This is the link to my screenshot if you insist on reading it whole... You should!
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://edofolks.com/html/pub70.htm&ved=2ahUKEwiV3-eO4PDpAhU6AmMBHaZeCvAQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2O2tdvNLC9WstfBOJD11C3&cshid=1591573439261

Benins and yorubas are almost very different

The way edo state is close to a yoruba state is just thesame way kogi state is also close to a yoruba neighboring state, but yet
Yoruba in kogi state still retain their yoruba Ness so why is that of the Benins different if we were truly yorubas proximity can have a little effect but no a whole effect on a tribe that is entirely different from another tribe

Thebadpolitican:
Benin artwork is not smilar with Ife artwork

Those Ife artworks was not made in Ife point of correction, tho found in Ife but researchers says it wasn't made in Ife, those artworks were purchased by art merchant that came not from Ife but other unknown places to sell to the Ife and ondo people who made use of it


See I am more well read than you're

The Benin artwork is very different from Ife, Benin have artworks and Ife does too
meaning that Ife taught not just Benin art but also igbo ukwu too that also had artworks, that sounds funny stop forcing Benin and Ife connection to grow your history

First Ife artwork was made from about 12 to 13 century Benin artworks started in 15 century 200 years after Ife artworks had gone extinct so who come magically teach Benin, so people cannot mircalously have talent for art and the ruler would help in enhancing it

The techinqes and design are different in both Ife and Benin artworks like you said Ife art is realistic

The usage is purely different Benin was for ointmental and recording keeping, purpose, Ife art was for religious purpose

The chemical materials for the artworks are different from both tribe

Lastly Ife people didn't make their artworks they were purchased from art merchant that may not be from Ife reason why the artworks do not show their cultural identity

Saying Ife thought Benin artwork is like saying Europeans came to teach us how to eat, if one person developed the talent for art in a community which is a free gift from God the oba who appreciate it will find ways to enhance it... Can't that happen, must it come from somewhere


The question is why did Ife not teach her fellow yoruba neighbours close to them the artwork.. Why benin, why benin head burial
Only Benin don't you find all this fishy


Read the previous message on the orun oba ado origin

Tochitee:
Another dagger in the heart of Pandora children.
Nnamdi Azikiwe tried,he was disgraced brutally,Ojukwu tried and failed woefully, Pandora and his miserable kids has continued from where Azikiwe stopped. Anyways,there's only one outcome,when you overstepped your boundaries in Lagos. Yorubas will always put you in your place.

Donedeal1:
This is a serious lessons for our unappreciated

Hospitality.

50yrs from today maybe Abeokuta.

Thebadpolitican:
A Benin man
Read this

As we may have it Benin wasn't organised or a powerful kingdom in the early times, in the beginning they were several villages who had Thier various leaders called ogiso they were several ogiso( sky kings) in the various settlement of Benin. at this time Benin was not one, the various settlement with their own ogiso existed independently. there were no one ruler, until a man called evian, killed a spiritual beast that had been disturbing the various villages surrounding Benin. which the various Ogiso heads couldn't handle and he found favour in the Benin community and the villagers came together to make him the oba of igodo. he ascended the throne as eweka the first
He was blessed with mystical powers and the people likened him as the son of a God, the Ogiso who refused to surrender their sovereignty where forced and the kingdom was formed, this several ogiso heads became chiefs in the new kingdom called ogidomigofo
Which later renamed as edo during oba ewaure reign and turned Benin during the Portuguese arrival who had corrupted Ile binu from the itsekiri warnings that had earlier told them not to venture into Benin City during their arrival and inquisition about the edo people
Years after eweka had died his son expanded the kingdom further Benin on several occasion
Lost some villages under the kingdom that had to be brought back through force, the king of the sea (ogiamen) was a powerful ruler who had ruled the river banks of Benin is territory was independent of Benin even when the Benin kingdom was long establish, oba ewakpe who was a conquerer had waged war on his kingdom that lasted for years but his kingdom was too strong to be defeated lots of lives was lost until an agreement was reached by the ogiamen that Benin would one day take over his territory which was a sure thing, because Benin was flourishing and expanding unlike his territory and that if they have to join Benin that the oba of Benin would respect is terms,and that every oba that ascends the throne would always come and buy his sovereignty from his family at every coronation in terms of paying homage and that if the contract is broken they can choose to live the kingdom, this practice continued for centuries until after Benin empire was brought down by the British and that tradition was stopped by the oba, the only way the ogiame family could use to attack the oba was by false acclimation Of his illegitimacy

Just the way the yoruba were brought into one canopy by awolowo during the formation of Nigeria so as evian who became the first oba of Benin united the kingdom

The Benin kingdom consist of the 36 Benin families

The Benin empire consist of lagos, ondo, ekiti, delta and Co....

The yorubas and other tribes that have issues with the oba of Benin would always use the screenshot to support their claims that the oba of Benin is a yoruba man, not until you ask them, if there is any trace of yoruba titles or names or even idols in the oba palace that can trace that the oba of Benin is a yoruba man, then they will be left dumbfounded


Read this too...

As we may have it Benin wasn't organised or a powerful kingdom in the early times, in the beginning they were several villages who had Thier various leaders called ogiso they were several ogiso( sky kings) in the various settlement of Benin. at this time Benin was not one, the various settlement with their own ogiso existed independently. there were no one ruler, until a man called evian, killed a spiritual beast that had been disturbing the various villages surrounding Benin. which the various Ogiso heads couldn't handle and he found favour in the Benin community and the villagers came together to make him the oba of igodo. he ascended the throne as eweka the first
He was blessed with mystical powers and the people likened him as the son of a God, the Ogiso who refused to surrender their sovereignty where forced and the kingdom was formed, this several ogiso heads became chiefs in the new kingdom called ogidomigofo
Which later renamed as edo during oba ewaure reign and turned Benin during the Portuguese arrival who had corrupted Ile binu from the itsekiri warnings that had earlier told them not to venture into Benin City during their arrival and inquisition about the edo people
Years after eweka had died his son expanded the kingdom further Benin on several occasion
Lost some villages under the kingdom that had to be brought back through force, the king of the sea (ogiamen) was a powerful ruler who had ruled the river banks of Benin is territory was independent of Benin even when the Benin kingdom was long establish, oba ewakpe who was a conquerer had waged war on his kingdom that lasted for years but his kingdom was too strong to be defeated lots of lives was lost until an agreement was reached by the ogiamen that Benin would one day take over his territory which was a sure thing, because Benin was flourishing and expanding unlike his territory and that if they have to join Benin that the oba of Benin would respect is terms,and that every oba that ascends the throne would always come and buy his sovereignty from his family at every coronation in terms of paying homage and that if the contract is broken they can choose to live the kingdom, this practice continued for centuries until after Benin empire was brought down by the British and that tradition was stopped by the oba, the only way the ogiame family could use to attack the oba was by false acclimation Of his illegitimacy

Just the way the yoruba were brought into one canopy by awolowo during the formation of Nigeria so as evian who became the first oba of Benin united the kingdom

The Benin kingdom consist of the 36 Benin families

The Benin empire consist of lagos, ondo, ekiti, delta and Co....

The yorubas and other tribes that have issues with the oba of Benin would always use the screenshot to support their claims that the oba of Benin is a yoruba man, not until you ask them, if there is any trace of yoruba titles or names or even idols in the oba palace that can trace that the oba of Benin is a yoruba man, then they will be left dumbfounded

Christistruth00:
Look,
Benin Cannot even Swim not to talk of fighting the Awori and Ijebus who can swim like fish in Water

When it get down to the Wire and you dig deeper you will discover that the people who actually ran the show were the Itsekiri who even had Ijebu roots anyway



The Oba of Benin that was controlling Lagos Island then was even drown when he was going back to Benin

Na Itsekiri carry Benin come Lagos

And the Itsekiri even consider themselves to be Yoruba' People anyway

Benin People cannot Swim and they Cannot Canoe
So Benin defeating Awori and Ijebus on Water is out of the Question

Just say it was the Itsekiri
And the Itsekiri had Ijebu roots

Raf4:
Dahomey also paid isakole to Oyo empire. That doesn't mean Oyo founded Dahomey.
Nobody is disputing that at some point Bini invaded Ereko and overpowered the Aworis.
Eleko of Eko (Oba of Lagos) throne was established by Bini, but Bini never founded Lagos.
Just like Ile-Ife people, led by Prince Oranmiyan, invaded Igodomigodo, renamed it Ile-Ibinu (now Bini) and established Obaship dynasty there till today.

Ijaya123:
You wrote all this bullcrap without a source?

Beuberry:
You said Ife artworks are purchased. From who o? You can add that Benins sold it to them. 😂 See don't disrespect a culture that helped ya culture. It's möronic of you to do that.

You also said Benin artworks aren't similar to Ife artworks. I no blame you maybe you missed art class in school. Pic 1 is Ife art and pic 2 Benin own. Use ya eyes see the truth and erase the lies. In art textbooks, WAEC exam questions etc they always state similarities btw Ife and Benin art. Small time you can blame Awolowo that he n other Yorubas tried to annex Benin. Na good thing them wan do una. But if you all aren't synching no p. Yorubas don't want people that ll be annoying them too.

You said Ife art didn't show yoruba cultural identity. It's obvious the gods has cursed you. One of the most popular Ife artworks is bronze statue of Ooni Obalufon (pic 3). Na Benin man abi? Check pic 4 to see image of a Yoruba woman that looked liked you v seen her before. That's the level of the realism.

Painment that Yorubas are superior to Benin tribe is hurting you, gregboy & other Benin touts here. Continue and those that do it in real life too, make una continue. Na ya history you dey scatter!

I v read about Egharevba. You all should be proud of him cos he has one of your earliest history. Go online, go to Wikipedia etc. Everyone knew Oranyan gave Benin the name as Ile-Ibinu and it was his son that was Eweka. Una fit corrupt am to Emeka o make Igbos drag una taya!
For now, freely download this and enjoy history of Yorubas. You go see where them get their name: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://archive.org/download/historyofyorubas00john/historyofyorubas00john.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwim3YDrr_yCAxVtX0EAHTvyBSkQFnoECAwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw11a0s_-oalDRZwT0denpi8
Lastly, when more facts on Orun Oba Ado gets out, you ll be more perplexed.

Procashtips:
Stop changing the narratives.

Dahomey paid taxes to Oyo kingdom because it's on record that the Oyo kingdom at one time conquered them.

Now show us from history if and when the Benin Kingdom conquered the Aworis that led to them paying taxes to the Benin Kingdom in Eko the Benins named.

Spare us any other unrelated gibberish for now.

sotall:
You want to talk about history of Lagos and you are quoting a book written in 1913 by Yoruba Revisionists.

Like seriously

And some of you dont even go near that part that talks about Aworis paying tax to the Benins.

One of the many truths that prevails but you cant accept it.

Thebadpolitican:
LOL those places you mentioned were under Benin control

Try search Asaba relationship with Benin on goggle, if Benin was not stop the empire would
Have occupied what is know as Nigeria now including the north

Beuberry:
You said Ife artworks are purchased. From who o? You can add that Benins sold it to them. 😂 See don't disrespect a culture that helped ya culture. It's möronic of you to do that.

You also said Benin artworks aren't similar to Ife artworks. I no blame you maybe you missed art class in school. Pic 1 is Ife art and pic 2 Benin own. Use ya eyes see the truth and erase the lies. In art textbooks, WAEC exam questions etc they always state similarities btw Ife and Benin art. Small time you can blame Awolowo that he n other Yorubas tried to annex Benin. Na good thing them wan do una. But if you all aren't synching no p. Yorubas don't want people that ll be annoying them too.

You said Ife art didn't show yoruba cultural identity. It's obvious the gods has cursed you. One of the most popular Ife artworks is bronze statue of Ooni Obalufon (pic 3). Na Benin man abi? Check pic 4 to see image of a Yoruba woman that looked liked you v seen her before. That's the level of the realism.

Painment that Yorubas are superior to Benin tribe is hurting you, gregboy & other Benin touts here. Continue and those that do it in real life too, make una continue. Na ya history you dey scatter!

I v read about Egharevba. You all should be proud of him cos he has one of your earliest history. Go online, go to Wikipedia etc. Everyone knew Oranyan gave Benin the name as Ile-Ibinu and it was his son that was Eweka. Una fit corrupt am to Emeka o make Igbos drag una taya!
For now, freely download this and enjoy history of Yorubas. You go see where them get their name: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://archive.org/download/historyofyorubas00john/historyofyorubas00john.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwim3YDrr_yCAxVtX0EAHTvyBSkQFnoECAwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw11a0s_-oalDRZwT0denpi8
Lastly, when more facts on Orun Oba Ado gets out, you ll be more perplexed.

Thebadpolitican:
Leo febonus did a digging there and nothing was found you dey whine

So because some yoruba falsefully setup a structure to further buthress their false narrative we should take it serious clowns of a tribe

Were is the alafin of oyo heads buried in Ife
Where is the rest oduduwa children heads buried in Ife why only Benin, if una nor dey whine una head bunch of clowns




Read this


The historian who first came out with such a fallcious statement that the oba of Benin heads were being buried in Ife, was a benin historian with the name Dr jacob Egharevba.
Egharevba earliest work is a mix of oral traditions and speculation which he corrected in his later works, however as a matter of fact it's a traditional practice in Benin that kings of the various vassals state, under Benin control would come back to bury the previous king heads in Benin in order to notify the oba that the previous monarchy was dead this journey to Benin can only be carried out by the incoming successor who will stay in Benin for months or years to learn the ways of the Benins before going back to take his father's position as king. however this practice was never a tradition in ile-Ife as no other of the supposed oduduwa sons had a burial site making it suspecious and fallacious from Egharevba who was equipped with the Benin oral history and had mix oral tradition of the Benins with his imagination to forge the orun oba ado tradition which he termed in his book `Ile Ife the final resting place of the oba of Benin' Egharevba had writing with no consultation or whatsoever and was not even close to the palace to begin with, his works lacked referencing other than just pure selfish intrest he could derive from the then watern region the edos where under at that time, Frank Willet a french historian did an excavation on the very orun oba ado site in 1969 hoping to find some truth in what yoruba belive to be an historical site, all nine site the excavation took place was empty and nothing was found in them it is of most importance to note that at the time the supposed myth of oromiyan visit to benin, her name was still called igodomigodo and not yet ado that originated from oba ewaure a long distance predecessor of oba eweka 1

Raf4

Raf4:
Continue to live in self deceit and denial till eternity. Orun obat ado shrine in Ile-Ife, where they buried the heads and toes of your deceased obas, is well known and has been in existence for centuries. Akenzua II, Ereduawa II and Ewuare II cannot rewrite the history that there ancestors for many generations practiced and upheld.

Raf4:
You're overhyping your 4 LGA empire. Ijaws, Ilajes, Ijebus, Dahomey were never under your Bini. Bini even tried the Igalas, but had to perish the ideas and abandoned the war attempt quickly.