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TAO11:
I love how you’ve been relegated to the pit of denying yourself clownishly. 🤣 🤡

Listen Samuel, you’ve made a self-consoling claim here in relation to my past engagements with you.

You’ve now been asked to simply provide just one link from same Nairaland to back up your consolation.

See how you’re parading naked, going in circles rather than help yourself with links to where you performed this stunt you’re claiming/wishing you performed.😅

I’ve apparently battered your mental health, but I pray it’s not beyond recovery. 😢 I didn’t mean to.

Anyway, help yourself with the Nairaland links where I couldn’t stand up to your challenge — just one link.

In the meantime, while I’m waiting, virtually everyone active in the Nairaland culture section in the last 3 – 4 years have come to realize that your Ọmọnọbas are of Ifẹ-Yoruba patrilineal ancestry, roots & origin.

Some of these active readers (including Igbos & Binis) have expressed their conviction of this historical fact.

Such is life. Rest. Peace ✌🏾

TAO11:
I love how you’ve been relegated to the pit of denying yourself clownishly. 🤣 🤡

Listen Samuel, you’ve made a self-consoling claim here in relation to my past engagements with you.

You’ve now been asked to simply provide just one link from same Nairaland to back up your consolation.

See how you’re parading naked, going in circles rather than help yourself with links to where you performed this stunt you’re claiming/wishing you performed.😅

I’ve apparently battered your mental health, but I pray it’s not beyond recovery. 😢 I didn’t mean to.

Anyway, help yourself with the Nairaland links where I couldn’t stand up to your challenge — just one link.

In the meantime, while I’m waiting, virtually everyone active in the Nairaland culture section in the last 3 – 4 years have come to realize that your Ọmọnọbas are of Ifẹ-Yoruba patrilineal ancestry, roots & origin.

Some of these active readers (including Igbos & Binis) have expressed their conviction of this historical fact.

Such is life. Rest. Peace ✌🏾

AutomaticMotors:
Wetin this one dey type

samuk:
She wanted me to notice her. She can go back and continue to read quietly.

TAO11:
This reply of mine is ONLY because you’re too stupid to be ignored:

How & why you lie to yourself and still believe your lie is something I have always struggled to unravel.

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You mentioned my moniker three (3) times out of no where in one single comment where you’re engaging someone else in a comment unrelated to me.

And when I replied to your obsessions with me while challenging you on your self-consolation, you had to lie to yourself that it is I seeking your attention.

Are you sure you’re not already insane only waiting to roam Benin streets naked? [Serious question]

Stop believing your own lies today!

✌🏾

samuk:
You were acknowledged and given some credit of pushing people like myself to unravelling the Benin/Ife fairytale as story that was concocted around 1897. You came out swinging.

What's wrong in acknowledging and giving you credit. I know you missed all that unending fairytales we used to debate here on Nairaland. I can understand your anger towards me for being one of those that killed your sources of happiness and relevance.

Anyway peace ✌

samuk:
His data collection is limited. Written aspect of Benin history is more than 600 years... 1440s to date. His so called data collection is limited to the 1900s to date, what happened to previous 500 years of Benin history. Even his limited data collection is selective, he refused to fully disclosed the traditions he collected from the Oba palace. The Oba palace narrative says that Oduduwa was a Benin prince, I don't think this is what he is saying here.

Benin history didn't start in 1939, Benin history is not 100 years old, anybody trying to limit Benin history to the 1930s is doing a great disservice to the Benin people, we will not allow people with ulterior motives to undermine our illustrious history.

We don't want some mischievous people 50 years from now quoting 2023 as the beginning of Benin history.

Any of the descendants of the various tribes currently living in Benin can write whatever they like today and someone will be quoting it in 50 years time as if Benin history started in 2023 and future macof will be clapping for them as being intelligent.

The simple reason TAO11 left Benin history alone is because I challenged her to provide evidence of Benin/Ife connection earlier than 1824 and she couldn't. TAO11 was at her best when we allowed her to quote from the historical fairytales years of 1897 to date, but she fizzled out when the debate was expanded beyond the fairytales years and pushed back to just before the last independent Oba of Benin was deposed in 1897.

Today, TAO11 read debates about Benin history quietly.

TAO11:
You’re actually not well, are you?

Now go tell that to your brother whom you lied to: Tell him it was you in desperate need of my attention and not the other way round.

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For the umpteenth time, bring [only] one link for this consolation you’re forcing down upon yourself.

Drop link to comments where you performed these wonders in an exchange with me. That shouldn’t be hard to do. Should it?

In contrast, I can drop multiple links for folks to read where you were beaten black & blue as I showed that your Kings are of Ifẹ-Yoruba ancestry, roots, & origin.

I can also drop links showing where some non-Yoruba readers (Igbos, Binis, et al.) on the culture section have expressed their conviction of this historical fact on the basis of my past engagements with you.

Do you see how it’s done? Now help yourself with the links, or take your “L”.

✌🏾

samuk:
The battle has been lost and won. We on the winning side have to be magnanimous in victory.

One thing you must realise is that you are partly to blame for the the calamity that befell the Benin/Ife connection.

As Gov. Wike will say, As E de pain them, E dey sweet us.

As Gov. Tinubu will say, Balablu, bulabla, God bless APCPDP.

Peace ✌

AreaFada2:
Abeg have mercy this Saturday night o, haba!

Even wicked Wike doesn't dish out so much fatality like this.

AreaFada2:
Abeg have mercy this Saturday night o, haba!

Even wicked Wike doesn't dish out so much fatality like this.

UGBE634:
I don't think that Oral account was gotten from Udo, if it was it is not what I will take so seriously, and these are the reasons for it,
1. there is no sign of yorubaness in Udo, it is not that they migrated to the centre and say okay maybe they were submerged, for example that of Usen is so easy to believe, one can understand that they migrated down and were not submerged totally since they are at the edge,they still manage to retain their dialect alongside incorporating the language of the natives they met on ground. what about Utesse, they seem to speak a strange dialect that seem to be a mixture of yoruba and Edo. so when they talk about their yoruba antecedent, it is easier to believe, but on the other hand, Udo speak pure Bini, and is the house for the mightiest shrine in Idu or Edo land which is the Eriwmin-Idu.

today it is hard not to go online and see an Edo man from other tribal descent maybe Esan or Urhobo talking about Igodomigodo and Idu and featuring Udo, and as they feature Udo, they will be telling you that the yoruba people came around, that is why their group migrated. There is nothing you will tell me scholes0, Udo is the town with the largest tales of migration, Etsako, Esan, Urhobo, Ijaw,they can't all be lying,they couldn't have migrated from there and seem to have very related dialects with Bini and other regions. Udo seem to be the very core of what the very Edo race stand for, Urhobo, Esan, Etsako, Benin etc. the earlier history seem to be influenced by the Oba of Benin and it is just recently after the fall out with the Oba's line that is when the Iyase begun telling his history his own way. If she did migrated from Ife, how did she submerge totally to now become the core of the Edo race, when she is at the periphery, we know Udo to be very ancient and our core. Udo is a strong aboriginal community that is in the western flank. alongside with oral traditions, other facts should help in substantiating these things, it is on these basis that I find this not to be true

If you are talking about the importance of towns in the Edo race, Udo is first, it is the primal town of all Edo people, Udo's influence extend properly beyond Bini even into other Edo tribes, when you see other Edo tribes talk about migrating from Benin , they are not talking about Benin city, they are talking about Udo,

The second would be Benin, then Urhonigbe. Udo is the uniting chord of all Edo people, it is Like the Ife of the yoruba people, there is no way she would have migrated from Ife and not distribute her yoruboid trait, there is no way Udo is a Migrants town from Ife and we are not yorubas, there is no way, because the migrant population from Udo is far larger than any other Benin community.

There are variations but Udo is at the core of what Edo is, the oldest families in Benin is from Udo

Lastly Edo is not a corruption of Udo nor was it gotten from it, vive-versa, what we have is that the name Edo was that of a servant who helped the Oba in ascending the throne and in turn the Oba named the Bini city and country they are distinct and light years apart, they did not in anyway affected each others name.

It is not believable, Udo is at the periphery, she is not yoruba speaking, she does not even speak it as one of her dialect, she does not even speak a mix, she speak super pure Bini that a man from The Eastern flank of Urhonigbe and Oza would not have any trouble comprehending. My brother Oudobo does not add up. My brother there is no community that is more Edo than Udo, if at all Udo migrated, then every other Bini communities migrated.

Neccesity is laid on me to defend what is ours, and that I would do passionately, Udo is not a Migrants town at all let alone being one from the south west. Udo is our core, I am an eastern Bini man but I tell you this with all confidence, Udo is our core and our rallying point not just for the Binis but for the entire Edo race. Intuitively and instinctively you will just know it is not true

babasolution:
Am also from ogori,from my own understanding, the Ile ife origin claim is obscure,some Akoko-edo communities eg ibilo lay claim of origin to Ile ife too,they also bear Yoruba names and speak Yoruba,even Ekpedo which lay claim to Benin speak Yoruba very widely,the Yoruba speaking and naming in my opinion is fairly recent,and was probably influenced by ogori interaction with Yoruba who ogori traded with,I think there was also a Yoruba invasion period,as ososo community as the history of Yoruba invasion,it's more complex than a simple origin from Ile ife,if you read history of ogori by prof akerejola,you will see the complex history of ogori,do you know ogori language is gotten mainly from idoma? It might surprise you but it's researched.I seriously doubt ogori are Yoruba,ogori people don't even look or behave like Yoruba,even though ogori loves to adapt Yoruba culture a lot.Ogori is for a long time tried to absorb a lot of Yoruba culture

GENES11S:
We are not ebira.

Ogori Magongo is a border town, so we share border with ebira speaking towns.
So most of them and our people intermarry and settle as one.
Same can be said of some tribes from Edo state, they share borther with us and are very close to us.
Don't even get me started with Kwara state, which we were initially part of before the creation of Kogi state. Even now, there are still traces of Ogori and Magongo in Kwara state.

So we are not Ebira, we are Ogori/Magongo. We are a tribe of our own. Yes, we do have Yoruba ancestry which is evident from most of our surnames.

scholes0:
It looks to me like you are confused. It is clear from your unsure stance on whether to latch on to Edo to Idoma cultures.
They lived with Idoma for centuries but are very similar to Edo culture. They are even Edoid WHILE THEIR LANGUAGE IS more of Idoma (according to you) confusion pro max.

By the Way, there is no way to look Yoruboid. Igala are Yoruboid but have their own culture. Yoruboid is a linguistic classification, not a culture or outlook.
Same goes with all the other linguistic groupings. Infact, the Edo groups to the south of Ogori are very different from Benin culturally. Same way Degema in rivers state or Epie in Bayelsa (which are also Edoid) are also very distinct and different from Auchi or Okpella.

UGBE634:
scholes0 I like the way you place words, but I would want you to have an understanding of some of these issues, what we find is that to obtain legitimacy from the People, the yoruboid set of Binis seem to want to "yorubanize" Bini history both local and "foreign", whatever we do we should understand that Bini is not really one sect and everyone has the right to tell their history regardless of who is more famous and prominent and we also have a right to accept what we should accept, we have seven main kings in Benin which are (1)Oba of Benin
(2.)Ogie-amien of Utantan
(3)Iyase of Udo
(4) Enogie of Ugo
5 Okaevbo of Urhonigbe
6 Enogie of Egor
7. Elawure of Usen
These stools


it is only perhaps in the mouth of yoruba affiliated kings and people that you will hear of Ogiso coming from Ife, which are the Oba of Benin and Olu-awure of Usen and other yoruba affiliated people, we had moonlight tales in Benin then growing up when Benin was not this urban, it should still be there in the villages, not for once did I hear of any Ogiso coming from Ife, I only read it for the first time on nairaland .

The Oba and the Usen people are not qualified to tell the history of the Ogisos, they don't have the locus-standi to tell it. The Ogisos and her history predates their existence in Benin. The history of the Ogisos is entirely a local business. a business of the aborigines

babasolution:
This is akin to what I have been saying ,but someone accused be of trying to discredit Yoruba,the thing is that many minority tribes history as falsely been made to be subsumed by major tribes,like the case of ogori and magongo which as been subsumed to a Yoruba subgroup which might even be wrong.

Many tribes close to the Yoruba like the edos and even smaller tribes like ogori,egun etc have a forced ile-ife origin link.

There needs to be a broader perspective to the history of minority groups .The ile-ife myth needs proper research it's to one sided.

The Yoruba have tried to link almost every tribe under an ile-ife origin, further consideration as to be made to determine the veracity of these claims

babasolution:
True,ogori may have had contact but not necessarily originating from Yoruba as widely claimed even by ogori/magongo people.

Ogori language, oko is grouped with idoma and Nupe,it is said to be idomoid,and prof akerejola wrote in his history of ogori book than ogori lived with idoma for up to 200years.

Ogori is a distinct tribe,but my hypothesis is that we are more edoid than yoruboid

scholes0:
Qua qua qua qua.
Pls... what is especially special about the names Akpafa, etu, idu or okpowo? LMAO .. All these words could have meaning in any of the numerous Yoruba dialects.

Its also funny how you remember those ones, but don't remember the most important parts of town: AIYEROMI, ARAWU, AYETORO, EKU OBA, ILETEJU, OBINOYIN, UDADEGUN, OMODA, OBATIGBEN or OJUBEDI.

At least if you want to mention areas of town the least you could have done is list an ample sample.

Agenda must agend with you.

Swift11:
The people of magongo are not Yoruba we don’t share a Yoruba culture our people know that we stayed with idoma some years ago being related to them
You can’t find up to 10 people in magongo or speaks or understands yoruba

What does kecha mean in Yoruba?
What does ishomaro mean in Yoruba?
What does arumega mean in Yoruba
What does Eba mean in Yoruba
What does osibina mean in Yoruba?

My aunty told me that we are said to have migrated from ile Ife but it might not be true and if we are to do a proper research we would fall under idoma or edo

As we speak osayen
We don’t marry other than edo/ogori/delta/idoma
And edo and idoma refer to magongo people as brothers

scholes0:
Lmao

TAO11:
I love how you’ve been relegated to the pit of denying yourself clownishly. 🤣 🤡

Listen Samuel, you’ve made a self-consoling claim here in relation to my past engagements with you.

You’ve now been asked to simply provide just one link from same Nairaland to back up your consolation.

See how you’re parading naked, going in circles rather than help yourself with links to where you performed this stunt you’re claiming/wishing you performed.😅

I’ve apparently battered your mental health, but I pray it’s not beyond recovery. 😢 I didn’t mean to.

Anyway, help yourself with the Nairaland links where I couldn’t stand up to your challenge — just one link.

In the meantime, while I’m waiting, virtually everyone active in the Nairaland culture section in the last 3 – 4 years have come to realize that your Ọmọnọbas are of Ifẹ-Yoruba patrilineal ancestry, roots & origin.

Some of these active readers (including Igbos & Binis) have expressed their conviction of this historical fact.

Such is life. Rest. Peace ✌🏾

TAO11:
First of all, my comment wasn’t directed to you. Also, it has nothing to do with Ogori.

But now that you’ve brought up Ogori; Ogori is one of the Yoruba groups in Kogi state. Do your worse.

And you’re not Ogori. Prove yourself.

scholes0:
Qua qua qua qua.
Pls... what is especially special about the names Akpafa, etu, idu or okpowo? LMAO .. All these words could have meaning in any of the numerous Yoruba dialects.

Its also funny how you remember those ones, but don't remember the most important parts of town: AIYEROMI, ARAWU, AYETORO, EKU OBA, ILETEJU, OBINOYIN, UDADEGUN, OMODA, OBATIGBEN or OJUBEDI.

At least if you want to mention areas of town the least you could have done is list an ample sample.

Agenda must agend with you.

XAUBulls:
I have always read that Ogori folks are of Yoruba origins but your post here is very revealing. I guess this is what happens to ethnic groups that are situated at the major trading crossroads and borderlands where ethnicities meet.

There is a lady called Oreka Godis who is from Ogori via her paternal roots.

BanyXchi:
probably another Edo miscreant larping as magongo. I have some as friends and they are proudly Yoruba.

MetaPhysical:
I have very strong evidence to believe the Ogori people are a part of the migration caravan led out of Assyria by Oduduwa.

Does anyone have the Oriki of the Ogori people? If someone does please post it here for me.
So far I have arts and even culture and names that tie the Ogori people with the ancient civilization of Ugari in AfroAsia region. The Oriki will help me clarify on some artifacts I am inspecting.

Thanks.

Edibles20:
This is fundamentally wrong

Beuberry:
Ogoris are Yorubas. All evidence said so.

RedboneSmith:
Yes, they are Yorubas, when you choose to conveniently ignore the fact that there is actually an Ogori language which is not Yoruboid.