LordReed:


LoLz! Did you listen the primary school science lessons of how the earth rotates on it's axis and revolves around the sun? That's all the explanation I need for day and night, summer and winter, not a magical sky fairy.

Exactly my point. How did it come to be? Can the process be replicated? Why is the earth rotating on its axis and making a revolution round the sun which we call a year? A car moves and we know why but the planets also move and what fuels their movement? Why does earth support life but other planets don't? Is it a random occurrence or random selection? What made the sun, the earth, the stars? What governs their movement? Can you explain any of these?

Lol @ pained

Geovanni412:


Why are you so pained?

Counter him with Christian verses that support your point

If all the disciples behaved so scared like this, Christianity for no spread reach like this.

LordReed:


I have nearly 2000years of history to back up what I am saying so I am just stating the obvious. Meanwhile I am yet to see anything to the contrary. Funny how a so called universe building god waits for human technology to progress first before his most important message can reach everyone. So which technological invention is the god waiting for now? We've done books, TVs, the Internet yet the message hasn't reached everyone? Maybe he is waiting for quantum computers or quantum tunneling communications, LoLz.

No one said God is depending on any technological advancement to have His Word spread to all the earth. Phillip was translocated to the path of the Ethiopian Eunuch so that He could explain the scriptures to the Ethiopian. Paul went by ships to different nations to preach. Besides, I also mentioned people where the light of civilization has not shone. Do they read books, watch TVs, surf the internet? In the midst of this technological advancement, there are billions without formal education. Many must have heard the word preached in the language they can understand but books and the internet are useless in propagating the gospel to reach this class of people.

Again, you mentiond 'nearly 2000 years of history...' as if Christ gave a timeframe of His return and has failed to do just that. I will like to see that evidence now if you don't mind.

Geovanni412:


Why are you so pained?

Counter him with Christian verses that support your point

If all the disciples behaved so scared like this, Christianity for no spread reach like this.

Boss, ha fa na? What happened? You just went ghost on us. Hope you are good.

Nextt:


Boss, ha fa na? What happened? You just went ghost on us. Hope you are good.

Omo, man need small break till January.

jaephoenix:
I'm a physician. During med school, I noticed many things in my clinical trainings. Many people dying even after copious prayers. Some were pastors and notable men of god that supposedly did miracles. I asked myself where all the Bible quotes about healing went to. Jusr before I did my Sponsio Academica, lost my dad. This man was a vibrant Christian. Left his booming alcohol business to become a Christian and from there his health dwindled….
Then I started digging. Asked several questions, which was either ignored by my mum or I was told to ask the pastors, who turned out to be clueless. The butt of those questions were these
1. If Yahweh loved us, why give us a very contradictory and lie infected book like the bible, and then disappear from the scene. I mean since the days of the Bible where he was popping up and throwing down fire and lightning from up above, dude has gone mighty silent.
2. How come the most 'christianized' countries happen to be the most miserable? From Latin America to Africa, poverty is the norm. And the relatively atheistic societies are the most successful, like the Scandinavian countries, Iceland, China, Eastern Europe etc. Despite the fact your bible said righteousness exalteth a nation and even said the prayers of the heathens are abominations, yet those heathen get more successful while the people that pray more to him get more miserable. Case in point in Nigeria. We call US, UK, Canada sinful and irreligious cos of their LGBTQXXX, yet we abandon Nigeria that abhors LGBTQXXX to flee to those 'cursed' countries (like many Christians call them)
3. Miracles only happen in TVs and social media. Never happens in hospitals where the real sick people are. For some reasons, pastors only do their miracles in their churches, but avidly avoid these hospitals, even if the hospitals are right beside them. In fact, many churches now have hospitals, and run clinics on Sundays. Even pastors and churches contribute money for surgeries for their members. I mean they could simply heal those members with a word, just like good old Jesus, thus saving them from giving us doctors their hard-earned money, and also saving the member and his family the physical pain and stress of the sickness. Only miracles we hear about are the unconfirmed healing from HIV, sickle cell etc. Have you ever seen them make an amputee limb regrow? Lol 😆 . That one would be difficult for them to arrange, especially on live tv

4. The Bible story on creation is so funny. There are many sticky points than a chocolate bar.
A. Christians believe atheists are wrong to assume everything on earth was not created, but they forget the fact their bible said Yahweh created the world from….. nothing. And where did Yahweh himself pop out from? Yup. Nothing. He just existed
B. Your creation story said Yahweh created plants before the sun. Interesting…
C. Chapter 1 reports that the fruit trees were created before the man, while chapter 2 indicates they were made after him. Genesis 1:20 says the fowl were created out of the waters; Genesis 2:19 alleges they were formed from the ground.
D. Contradictions are also seen in the biblical story of a worldwide flood. According to Genesis 6:19-22, God ordered Noah to bring “of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort . . . into the ark.” Nevertheless, Genesis 7:2-3 relates that the Lord ordered Noah to take into the ark the clean beasts and the birds by sevens, and only the unclean beasts by twos.
E. Genesis 8:4 reports that, as the waters of the flood receded, Noah’s ark rested on the mountains of Ararat in the seventh month. The very next verse, however, says the mountaintops could not be seen until the tenth month.
F.Genesis 8:13 describes the earth as being dry on the first day of the first month. But Genesis 8:14 informs us the earth was not dry until the twenty-seventh day of the second month
You can see other gaffes in the Bible here https://www.nairaland.com/7659505/book-bible-gaffes

4. The Bible is a poor moral source.
A. Yahweh committed more murders than Satan. Matter of fact, I can't remember any killing by Satan but an loving god committed all sorts of genocide, from innocent babies, told Israelites to rip babies from preggo women etc. He even said people wearing different materials in the same cloth should be killed.
B. The Bible upholds slavery and even warns slaves to be obedient to their slavemasters just like they are obedient to him. He gave 10 commandments, yet ignored saying anything bad about slavery or misogyny. What does that tell you?
C. Its also a sin to work on Sabbaths which may be Saturdays or Sundays, depending on your Christian persuation.
D. Its a sin to wear different fabrics

5. So Yahweh created the whole world, right?
There's Eden. He then made a tree of knowledge, and guess what? Planted it right in the middle of the garden. As an all knowing god, Yahweh knew Adam was gonna fail but planted this forbidden tree right in the middle of the garden with luscious fruits, to distract and tempt Adam. Gave him a partner that would make the temptation very hard to pass up. Then to make matters worse, he allowed Satan(an omnipresent and omnipotent being) to finish the job of tempting Adam? Then when man fails, he turns around to blame him of making the wrong choice? And then went ahead to rain curses in the poor dude.
Are you seeing how Yahweh stacked up the odds against poor Adam. Almost as if he wants the dude to fail.

Here is an analogy. You(yahweh) sent your son(Adam) to school(garden of eden) and paid a bully(Satan) to distract and beat the child, so he'll fail in school? I used the word 'paid' because he Satan is an upgraded being, having those powers handed to him by Yahweh. Whats his target? A puny Adam, a regular mortal with no powers whatsoever

6. The story of creationism has no historical backup. And evolution can be supported by biology, genetics, archeology etc. There was even no mention of dinosaurs in the Bible even though they roamed for thousands of years

In paragraph 1, you said that the Bible is a contradictory and lie infested book...

Mention ten historical incidents mentioned on the Bible that has been contradicted by science.

Also, mention any other ancient book that is more accurate in depicting history than the Bible.

https://www.icr.org/bible-history

Nextt:


No one said God is depending on any technological advancement to have His Word spread to all the earth. Phillip was translocated to the path of the Ethiopian Eunuch so that He could explain the scriptures to the Ethiopian. Paul went by ships to different nations to preach. Besides, I also mentioned people where the light of civilization has not shone. Do they read books, watch TVs, surf the internet? In the midst of this technological advancement, there are billions without formal education. Many must have heard the word preached in the language they can understand but books and the internet are useless in propagating the gospel to reach this class of people.

Again, you mentiond 'nearly 2000 years of history...' as if Christ gave a timeframe of His return and has failed to do just that. I will like to see that evidence now if you don't mind.

Oh but he did provide a time frame. Unless 2000 years is also synonymous with quickly then that timeline has already failed but I am sure you'll explain it to me won't you. LoLz.

Yes, your god seems to be waiting for technological innovation to spread his message. It wasn't your god that made the ocean going ships that brought Christians from Europe to Africa, the Americas, Australia and the Pacific Islands. That took more than a 1000 years after Jesus had died for that to happen. Why?

There are many places civilisation has already shone and yet the god still hasn't passed his message across, who shall we blame for that? A universe creating god that created everything in a week needs 2000 years of human progress before he can achieve this spread of his all important message? Please.

Nextt:


Exactly my point. How did it come to be? Can the process be replicated? Why is the earth rotating on its axis and making a revolution round the sun which we call a year? A car moves and we know why but the planets also move and what fuels their movement? Why does earth support life but other planets don't? Is it a random occurrence or random selection? What made the sun, the earth, the stars? What governs their movement? Can you explain any of these?

Gravity fuels both their process and their formation. We see the same process play out across the sky in various star systems. You know what we haven't seen? A god doing anything anywhere.

Gravity is not random, we can see that it is proportional to mass and inversely proportional to distance. If a god was real and able to do anything then he wouldn't need such a mechanism since he could just as easily make the sun revolve around the earth.

LordReed:


Gravity fuels both their process and their formation. We see the same process play out across the sky in various star systems. You know what we haven't seen? A god doing anything anywhere.

Gravity is not random, we can see that it is proportional to mass and inversely proportional to distance. If a god was real and able to do anything then he wouldn't need such a mechanism since he could just as easily make the sun revolve around the earth.

Gravity is not in the place we call space if we accept the hearsay of those who say they have gone to space, so clearly someone packed it here exactly how climate control works in our car.

And gravity cannot create itself exactly as the climate control did not create itself . So the proof of God is all over the place for every person to see and only unreasonable devils and of course devils are always haters of God that is why you are the only ones who deny God's honour. No reasonable person does that only devils like you.

ucheheart:


Then channel your reply to lawag3 and stop disturbing us on nairaland.

Na people like you go deceive people finish come later turn born again

Exactly!

Nigerians eh, very slimy and deceit full people.

Dtruthspeaker:


Gravity is not in the place we call space if we accept the hearsay of those who say they have gone to space, so clearly someone packed it here exactly how climate control works in our car.

And gravity cannot create itself exactly as the climate control did not create itself . So the proof of God is all over the place for every person to see and only unreasonable devils and of course devils are always haters of God that is why you are the only ones who deny God's honour. No reasonable person does that only devils like you.

LoLz. Go submit your own science paper that evidences someone packed gravity na. Bwahahahahahaha!

Gravity is a natural force and a property of the universe, it doesn't have to have created itself to be operational. What is not in evidence is a god creating it, you saying it is a god that created it is not evidence or proof of any sort.

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Nice writeup Mr J.

LordReed:


LoLz. Go submit your own science paper that evidences someone packed gravity na. Bwahahahahahaha!

Gravity is a natural force and a property of the universe, it doesn't have to have created itself to be operational. What is not in evidence is a god creating it, you saying it is a god that created it is not evidence or proof of any sort.

When you take your car in for service, make sure they check the coolant, refrigerant, and replace the pack of gravity. Ensures a smooth ride. My cars use two packs of gravity each, yearly.

Geovanni412:


Omo, man need small break till January.

You deserve your space and peace of mind. Can't wait to see you return. Just make sure you take all the break you need. Next year will be greater by God's grace.

KnownUnknown:


When you take your car in for service, make sure they check the coolant, refrigerant, and replace the pack of gravity. Ensures a smooth ride. My cars use two packs of gravity each, yearly.

Damn! No wonder my car has been misbehaving, I forgot to pack some gravity. I think I'll just get a super pack of gravity so I don't forget again.

LordReed:


Oh but he did provide a time frame. Unless 2000 years is also synonymous with quickly then that timeline has already failed but I am sure you'll explain it to me won't you. LoLz.

You have artfully dodged the question. The Word of God said a thousand years is like a day in the sight of God and a day is like a thousand years. Going by that, two days (two thousand years) is well within the context of 'soon' or 'quickly'. You can't deny knowing how people usually describe the passage of weeks and months as fast by saying, "Days are fast!". It is not even two days (two thousand years). The issue here is you said he hasn't returned since then as if He gave a specific timeframe. I hope you will specifically point that fact out, and leave no room for guesswork, not by hanging your argument on an abstract adverb - 'quickly'

Yes, your god seems to be waiting for technological innovation to spread his message. It wasn't your god that made the ocean going ships that brought Christians from Europe to Africa, the Americas, Australia and the Pacific Islands. That took more than a 1000 years after Jesus had died for that to happen. Why?

Who made the waters for the ships to sail? Can you or any scientist living create an ocean? Do you have the technology to create a star like the sun much less billions of stars in the galaxy? Who made the heaven for the planes to fly? Can you create the clouds to give rain and float in the sky? Every cloning attempt has suffered fatal failure following a very short spell of success. You think creating man and animals na beans? Why can't your scientists replicate the feat? I cannot begin to highlight the complexity behind the 'simple' creations you see that makes your so-called planes, ships and technological innovations look like primitive devices in comparison. The wisdom with which God created the comet, the galaxies, the planets, the seasons - which one can primitive science accomplish? The technology alone to make the earth from nothing is trillions of light years away from what science is able to achieve and can ever dream of achieving and you gloat on the use of ships and plane. Gosh. Lol. Like the Being who created the seas needs your wooden or metal ships to cross the seas? Lol. This error of logic is beyond me.

There are many places civilisation has already shone and yet the god still hasn't passed his message across, who shall we blame for that? A universe creating god that created everything in a week needs 2000 years of human progress before he can achieve this spread of his all important message? Please.

And there are yet many places still living in the darkness of ignorance. God is a just and righteous God.

God does not count time the way you do. After the fall of Adam, He did not send Jesus immediately to die for the sins of mankind. It would take more than 5,000 years later for the Lord Jesus to appear from the time of Adam. When the Israelites were enslaved by the Egyptians God waited 400 years to send a deliverer to them. If the Lord Jesus had returned before now, how would the prophecy about the Antichrist and the completion of the third temple in Israel be fulfilled? We see that already happening in our time but the end will not be until this is done. God has laid a calendar of events that must be fulfilled before the end. That is the reason for the delay besides His mercy and grace of repentance. Lastly, before technology God spread His Word; without it His Word will still be spread by leaps and bounds. Nothing can hinder its progress. Nothing and you know it.

LordReed:


Gravity fuels both their process and their formation. We see the same process play out across the sky in various star systems. You know what we haven't seen? A god doing anything anywhere.

Gravity is not random, we can see that it is proportional to mass and inversely proportional to distance. If a god was real and able to do anything then he wouldn't need such a mechanism since he could just as easily make the sun revolve around the earth.

It is easy to say the gravitational pull of the sun causes the movement of the earth. It is easy to say nuclear fusion of hydrogen atoms to form helium is the reason for the sun's self-sustaining energy over billions of years. That is like saying a car moves when the engine burns fuel and converts the heat of the fuel into traction by which the car can operate. What company designed the car? If I wanted a sun or moon with my name on it and customized to my desire where do I go to have one made for me? What designed it? Did the sun create itself? Did the earth create itself? Did life create itself? If so, why is life absent on other planets we know? These are the questions you have skipped skillfully.

LordReed:


LoLz. Go submit your own science paper that evidences someone packed gravity na. Bwahahahahahaha!

Gravity is a natural force and a property of the universe, it doesn't have to have created itself to be operational. What is not in evidence is a god creating it, you saying it is a god that created it is not evidence or proof of any sort.

No need for science paper. Every reasonable and normal person can see that things do not create themselves and that they are abundant or scarce or even absent according to how their Creator set it to be.

Secondly, even the cloth on your body is evidence and proof of your tailor even where we all do not know her. So you have no valid argument.

Nextt:


It is easy to say the gravitational pull of the sun causes the movement of the earth. It is easy to say nuclear fusion of hydrogen atoms to form helium is the reason for the sun's self-sustaining energy over billions of years. That is like saying a car moves when the engine burns fuel and converts the heat of the fuel into traction by which the car can operate. What company designed the car? If I wanted a sun or moon with my name on it and customized to my desire where do I go to have one made for me? What designed it? Did the sun create itself? Did the earth create itself? Did life create itself? If so, why is life absent on other planets we know? These are the questions you have skipped skillfully.

Exactly!

Nextt:

Who made the waters for the ships to sail?

And packed them in place so that some places are dry!

If we even accept the hearsay that the earth is 70% water then clearly A Creator created it so that, that which is more would not overwhelm the less like Eba and Banga soup in a plate.

KnownUnknown:


When you take your car in for service, make sure they check the coolant, refrigerant, and replace the pack of gravity. Ensures a smooth ride. My cars use two packs of gravity each, yearly.

Na you get gravity or you fit buy gravity yet you dey use moto! brahahahahaha. Atheist una no go ki me with laugh and una stupidity

Nextt:


It is easy to say the gravitational pull of the sun causes the movement of the earth. It is easy to say nuclear fusion of hydrogen atoms to form helium is the reason for the sun's self-sustaining energy over billions of years. That is like saying a car moves when the engine burns fuel and converts the heat of the fuel into traction by which the car can operate. What company designed the car? If I wanted a sun or moon with my name on it and customized to my desire where do I go to have one made for me? What designed it? Did the sun create itself? Did the earth create itself? Did life create itself? If so, why is life absent on other planets we know? These are the questions you have skipped skillfully.

Very good! Where is the badge of the manufacturer on anything that clearly states it was made by your god? Where is the trademark or logo or label?

I haven't skipped anything because that's not what you asked me. You are the one claiming these things where made by your god so the onus is on you to provide the evidence that it is so. Your incredulity about the natural processes that bring about the formation of the sun, earth and life are all your problem not mine, so it all lies on you to provide the evidence that these natural processes are being conducted by your god.

Dtruthspeaker:


No need for science paper. Every reasonable and normal person can see that things do not create themselves and that they are abundant or scarce or even absent according to how their Creator set it to be.

Secondly, even the cloth on your body is evidence and proof of your tailor even where we all do not know her. So you have no valid argument.

Dude I am not going with your say so, provide the evidence, your intuitions are worthless to this discussion.

LordReed:


Dude I am not going with your say so, provide the evidence, your intuitions are worthless to this discussion.

Whether you go with it or not, it won't change the evidence which every reasonable and normal person has seen that even the cloth on your body is evidence and proof of your tailor even where we all do not know her. The cloth did not make itself. So you have no valid argument to make.

LordReed:


Very good! Where is the badge of the manufacturer on anything that clearly states it was made by your god? Where is the trademark or logo or label?...

When we are the only one who makes a product and the only one who can make it, we never badge or trademark or logo them!

There is no need to! And that is Why God is The Only God!

It is the presence of co-creators which makes creators place marks and trademarks and logos on their toys (creations).

But for God, THERE IS NONE. THERE IS NO OTHER AND THERE IS NONE BESIDES HIM!
Hahahahahaha!

Dtruthspeaker:


When we are the only one who makes a product and the only one who can make it, we never badge or trademark or logo them!

There is no need to! And that is Why God is The Only God!

It is the presence of co-creators which makes creators place marks and trademarks and logos on their toys (creations).

But for God, THERE IS NONE. THERE IS NO OTHER AND THERE IS NONE BESIDES HIM!
Hahahahahaha!

I am surprised you didn't bring Toyota and Toyoda into this. Bwahahahahaha!

jaephoenix:

Lol. Requesting for a miracle is now foolishness. Wonderful
I see amputees everyday on the way to work. I'm helpless to solve their problem. Science is doing its best to make people grow limbs via stem cell, though its still in its neophytic stage.
Paraplegics like Yinka Ayefele, who happen to be celebrities are yet to receive any healing, despite he himself singing about Yahweh's healing power. Same as Cobham Asuquo the blind gospel singer. No challenged celebrity christian gospel artists have been healed. Why? Everyone knows their story and since miracles are scams, it is impossible to help them. What pastors would do is get unknown folks and then claim they have been healed, and after that, they pay them off, and tell them to disappear. No one hears about them. And whats more, the press or bloggers wouldn't interview them to ascertain or investigate them.
The scammer at Dunamis, Enenche employed this scam recently when he claimed he resurrected a dude named…. DUNAMIS
Science has helped Yinka by providing him with neuroprosthetic limbs, which he had to pay millions for.
So much for Yahweh's awesome power

Lol, arm-chair wailer, go out and find out instead of throwing lazy blankets and fallacies.

LordReed:


Very good! Where is the badge of the manufacturer on anything that clearly states it was made by your god? Where is the trademark or logo or label?

I haven't skipped anything because that's not what you asked me. You are the one claiming these things where made by your god so the onus is on you to provide the evidence that it is so. Your incredulity about the natural processes that bring about the formation of the sun, earth and life are all your problem not mine, so it all lies on you to provide the evidence that these natural processes are being conducted by your god.

Please reread the post I made in reference to the bolded to verify whether I asked the question or not.

When you see a work of art, a paint or picture you do not ask who painted it but you subconsciously accept the fact that a painter is behind it. The painter may be anonymous, he may be dead or alive, he may be black or white. You don't care or seek evidence of a painter behind a paint because you know brush strokes cannot move on their own to create a logical picture. You just know someone is behind it though that someone may not be known to you.

You can admit testimonial and documentary evidence in the court of law but when it comes to the bible you consider it hogwash. This double standard is glaring. As with the painter, who may leave a note through an agent to verify his ownership of the paint such written evidence is admissible or considered authentic enough to lay his claim to the paint. This is exactly what happened thousands of years ago before any exploration into space was made, He who formed the earth said it is a circle in His Word. A manufacturer has a manual of how a product or device operates. The bible is also God's manual of his creation. Galileo would have been saved the stress of proving that the earth is round if only he had simply made reference to the book of Isaiah.

It is gross fallacy to think empirical evidence can match every kind of reality. For example, do you have any explanation for how the imagination can be objectively observed? You can't see mine neither I yours. Does that mean it doesn't exist? Science can tell there is imagination but cannot prove it. Maybe you can provide the empirical evidence of memory, consciousness, and morality.

On the nature of the existence of God, who created and exists outside time and space, asking evidence of His existence is simply shallow thinking. Scientific methods used to verify the existence of anything is severely limited to phenomena subject to time and space. It is like fitting the entire universe into your little laboratory. As impossible as it is there is more hope for that than to fit God, who created the universe and exists outside it, into observable, testable methods. It is like looking for the evidence of the presence of a matchbox company in the matchbox product itself. Lols.

Finally, an artist signs his name on his paint. That is his badge. You can read this last bit up and make your findings. DNA mapping has been discovered to include the name of God in every living thing. The numerological DNA sequence reads YHWH in the Hebrew language. It is encoded in the DNA of all living things. That is the artist signing His work.

Image123:


Lol, arm-chair wailer, go out and find out instead of throwing lazy blankets and fallacies.

I have gone out and found out there are no miracles, bro. Merry Christmas

Dtruthspeaker:


Off point.

The question is how did you feel it when it did not physically touch you? If you cannot answer the question we understand already.

I have told you not to engage in scientific discourses. You're completely clueless in such.
Please read up phantom touches or even phantom pain(felt by amputees) or neuropathic pain(felt by patients with Guillain Barre, Varicella Zooster etc)
Your ignorance really should make you read on scientific stuff, but no, not you. You must expose it time and time again

DeepSight:


Has it occurred to you that a necessary source of all things must still exist, and that is God - and that that source of all things is NOT Yahweh - Yahweh simply being a barbaric mountain imaginary deity of the Jews?

1. Do you have evidence for that?
2. What is the source of that source?