jaephoenix:

1. Not all documentary or testimonial evidences are admitted in court. Just few and they are usually scrutinized. The bible as an evidence falls apart in scrutiny

You specialise in making assumptions despite claiming to spring from the soil of science. Go and tell archeological discoveries and modern day facts that support the information given in the Bible that their evidence falls apart under scrutiny.

2. It might interest you that the people that opposed Galileo were in fact the church. The Christians who were told in the bible that the Earth was flat, and felt Galileo was committing a heresy by implying the Babble was wrong, and he nearly paid with his life.

What is your point? Does the Catholic church speak for the Bible? They even barred people from owning the Bible so as not to discover the truth for themselves so what is your point (in case I missed it)?

Also Isaiah said the earth is FLAT. Read it

Where is it written? Show, don't tell.

3. We can't use empirical evidence for everything, because some words are nebulous. Lemme explain. We can't see truth, can we? But know it exists. But we have seen objects that portray truth, like your true parents etc. Another example is reasoning. We can't see reasoning but we have its products like scientific ideas, people committing murders etc. About god, we can't see any evidence. If we see trees, there is no evidence it came from god.

In the same way, the many people over the centuries who have come out of clinical death situations to tell what they saw proves consciousness after death, the existence of an all-powerful Being whose wisdom stretches endlessly beyond the puny boundaries of the universe. This cannot be empirically proven but His existence is beyond the scope of tools that cannot measure or verify consciousness let alone the God who created it. This people (not all) have medical reports that recorded their deaths. In the millions of such encounters over the ages none of them said they saw any other god (insert anyone you know here). All of them agreed in one thing - they either saw Jesus or God the Father.

4. By the way, even if we assume everything came from god, how do we know its your favorite sky daddy and not Flying Spaghetti Monster, Thor etc? And who created god since everything MUST have a creator?

The previous question answers the first part of the above question. As regards who created God. That question would have been logical if God dwells in time. That would mean time is the true God but that is not the case. Even your hypotheses about the creation of the universe suggests there was no time before the universe began. If that is the case, and God created the universe how does it make sense to place Him in time by asking who created Him? He is the self-existent Almighty God.

5. There are no sulfur bonds in the human DNA. This sequence bullshit has been debunked by scientists but does it stop Babble thumpers from using it? Hell no. Ya'll dont depend on evidence. You run on hearsay and lies

Where in my statement did I write anything like sulfur bonds in the human DNA? I wrote that the base pairs are held together by hydrogen bonds.

Why I Became An Atheist

I do feel for you former Christians, as the Christian spin you might have been brought up on tends to blind from what is written in the book.

I was never a believer in gods (and books), nor was I told what is written in a book I can read for myself. Guess that's why the story of Eve using her senses appeals to me, though I'd rather be created in the image of the gods, which is the aim and purpose of the book, to evolve humans into gods.

May we all eat fruits of knowledge so our eyes may open and we see.

MrPresident1:
A lying fool.

You are no doctor, you are a lying fool

Lol 😆 . Whatever your Excellency feels. Who am I to dispute what my boss says. Merry Christmas bitch

MrPresident1:
A lying godless atheist dog fool

Oh men! Which atheist do dis guy strong tin? Oya sorry nah. Suck bress and stop crying

Nextt:


You claim to be scientifically inclined but this question proves otherwise. The presence of a product is evidence of a maker. What other evidence do you need? Can order arise from random occurrence? Throw ingredients into a pot and let egusi soup with its distinct flavour merge from the random mix. It is scientific ignorance to think every kind of reality is subject to obversable method of verification. Please, while you are at it, give me evidence, testable, observable evidence of the imagination or human mind.

A complex, powerful and knowledgeable being like god couldn't just pop up. Can it? It must need a maker, surely, innit?

Nextt:


So, your definition of 'salvation' is keeping someone (anybody who calls himself a Christian) from dying and being buried?

Let me understand your train of thought. Are you actually saying that salvation means God will keep destruction from the world and keep people or Christians from experiencing death or persecution?

1. I didn't say christians won't die. I mean saving them from stuff like accidents etc. Things that would cut their lives short and prevent them from fulfilling their 'destinies'
2. I'm just showing you whats written on your own babble? Argue with it

DeepSight:


The laws of causality and common reason lead us to know that there must be an ultimate source of all other existing things.



It is necessarily self-existent, and this is deduced in logic and philosophy.

What's the meaning of this?
Do you know what logic is? You just committed a fallacy now. Special pleading is an informal fallacy wherein one cites something as an exception to a general or universal principle, without justifying the special exception.

MrPresident1:
@Nextt

He is not guiltless, there is blood on his hand, there is blood in his mouth, blood is matted in his hair, he reeks of human blood

He is a demon, a devil. A hopeless dog

Hi, Mr Christian. Hope you're having a blast. This is the quack and bloody atheist wishing you Merry Christmas

Dtruthspeaker:


Your fake pretence at pretending you do not understand the bold is already proof that you already knew you were caught and yoy could never answer the question hence your using the bold as a distraction in an attempt to cover your failure and loss!

E no work! I have always told you, those tricks and gimmicks would not work on me. Loser! Hahahahahahaha No Road. Case Closed Loser!

Ok

Dtruthspeaker:


When Christians used to say :by faith" they could accomplish anything you atheists never accepted it. You always insisted in direct and physical confirmation.

But here you are i now ask for direct physical confirmation of how a person touches me with his eyes and I felt it and now you are blowing grammar saying phantom shit.

The bottomline is that you can't answer the question. Period. So you lost.

Nobody touches anyone with eyes. Its a gut feeling one feels about being watched, which may or may not be incorrect
Grow a brain

Nextt:


Did Jesus heal every blind person, every deaf, every mute, every paralytic He came across? He healed only those who had faith to be healed. The miracles of God are not like magic you can learn by purchasing a Magic Made Easy Guide or Do It Yourself Book of Magic. Without faith, nothing happens even if a person prays for months.

Yup. I'm talking about those who had faith here(as in christians). Not random unbelievers. These christians with all their faith etc are still unhealed. The only ones you hear that are healed are unknown christians. The Christian celebs like Yinka Ayefele, Cobham Asuquo etc don't get healed cos the miracle go cast

jaephoenix:

A complex, powerful and knowledgeable being like god couldn't just pop up. Can it? It must need a maker, surely, innit?

You are asking a question using your severely limited knowledge that cannot fathom the source of the universe and the order of creation that you see to question the source of a supernatural Being who does the impossible, who created the universe, and who you cannot see - emphasis on 'the impossible'? If He has a maker then that would mean the maker has a previous maker. It would mean God does not do the impossible. It would also mean there is sin in Him, which would mean there is no life after death neither is there consciousness after death, there is no place called Israel, there is no earth, no sun, no moon, no life. All would be nothingness since He is not God and all existence comes from Him. But, we know this is not the case, don't we?. He IS the ONE and ONLY true GOD, and there is none besides Him. There is no sin or shadow of turning in Him. That is one of the reasons He is the righteous Judge of the Universe. His yes is His yes, and His no is His no. He is the self-existent Creator because NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HIM. He didn't come to be. He is. This explains why the Universe came to be. Before the creation of the universe is the No-Man's Land of science.

jaephoenix:

1. I didn't say christians won't die. I mean saving them from stuff like accidents etc. Things that would cut their lives short and prevent them from fulfilling their 'destinies'
2. I'm just showing you whats written on your own babble? Argue with it

I'm sorry to say but your best knowledge of the Bible and the ways of God are riddled with large holes.

The fact that God answers prayers to save does not mean a Christian should intentionally put themselves in the jaws of death while relying on God to save them. They are as good as dead. In fact, God would swiftly respond to the heartfelt prayer of a sinner to save him-her from danger where such person is ready to turn from their sinful ways to serve Him rather than the Christian who intentionally wants to test God. You shall not test the Lord your God.

Again, the Word of God has repeatedly warned about the use of the tongue as regards the danger it poses to those who use it carelessly. Many who call themselves keep saying things that work against their lives. The examples are endless. One of them is where a person says his great grandfather died at age 50, his grandfather died at age 50, his father also died at age 50, and now he is 47 approaching 50 years he will not live past that age as none of his fathers crossed that age. When he dies through some terrible means such as accident people will blame God for not saving Him as if God has any control over what a person chooses to say even if He already knew what they will say before they uttered it.

Faith is not a magic button. In the Bible, the Lord Jesus told Peter to walk on water towards Him. Peter, with faith, did just that. He had taken steps on water towards Jesus, but when he began to doubt the reality of walking on water he sank. Jesus held his hand to save him from sinking and asked him why he doubted. Many people set out on dangerous quests the Lord did not permit them to do and expect God to back up their actions with faith. Many others exercise faith but their faith being weak with doubt accomplishes nothing. Many of this people, many of them sincere Christians, meet their end but people like you will say their God does not exist.

There are many others who, in their service to God, meet death and God permits many of them. The disciples, Stephen, Apostle Paul, etc etc. The servant is not greater than his Master. If they killed the Master they will kill the servant. Many times, God, by His sovereign will, saves His people from death so that they fulfill their purpose. Others He saves and gives them long lives according to His Word as long as they claim the promises in faith till God assures them of answered prayer.

Another reason is ignorance. God said in His Word that His people perish for lack of knowledge. There are numerous deaths of Christians that were avoidable. For example, turning on a generator close to their apartments while leaving their windows open has sent whole families to the grave, many of them being Christians.

Does that mean God doesn't save? Surely not. If He has promised life, will He not grant it? It means it is no longer about the Giver but about the receiver. God said in His Word that His people should labour to enter His rest. Many Christians don't do that as many are still tied to the pleasures of the world, many are ignorant how to pursue it, but many have learnt to do that and are doing it. If you pursue knowledge you will find otherwise you may be fodder for unfortunate circumstances.

jaephoenix:

Yup. I'm talking about those who had faith here(as in christians). Not random unbelievers. These christians with all their faith etc are still unhealed. The only ones you hear that are healed are unknown christians. The Christian celebs like Yinka Ayefele, Cobham Asuquo etc don't get healed cos the miracle go cast

1. My previous answer applies to this as well

2. God is not a respecter of persons. If you like go to church every Sunday, call yourself a Christian as a celebrity or political figure. If you don't humble yourself and seek God by faith till He answers nothing for you.

3. The experiences of celebs or any other person don't define the Word of God; rather, they confirm it. The Word of God says if you seek God you will find Him if you seek Him diligently with all your heart. Seeking God is not a picnic. If a celeb truly seeks God with dedication he/she will not be disappointed. That a person is a famous Gospel musician says nothing about their relationship with God.

jaephoenix:

Nobody touches anyone with eyes. Its a gut feeling one feels about being watched, which may or may not be incorrect
Grow a brain

We know when we are touched and stop being a zombie.

jaephoenix:

So who made god?

Fallacy of presumption that He was made and off Point.

jaephoenix:

You're even dafter than I thought. You wont know sarcasm even if it tears your boxers

Says the idiot missing my sarcasm .

jaephoenix:

Earth's gravity comes from all its mass. ..

Off point!

Stay away from argument you are too too stupid to participate in one.

@jaephoenix

I've been following a couple of these threads for a while.

I can't help but salute your patience. One of the reasons I've lost motivation to post on here is because it's like talking to a brick wall.

Certain people here who I won't mention, are more interested in just saying something.. anything.

Even when proven blatantly wrong, they just run away from the thread only to repeat their debunked concepts somewhere else.

It's not easy dealing with these. I salute you

Wilgrea7:
@jaephoenix

I've been following a couple of these threads for a while.

I can't help but salute your patience. One of the reasons I've lost motivation to post on here is because it's like talking to a brick wall.

Certain people here who I won't mention, are more interested in just saying something.. anything.

Even when proven blatantly wrong, they just run away from the thread only to repeat their debunked concepts somewhere else.

It's not easy dealing with these. I salute you

Chai, even you got tired?! But seriously it's no fun showing someone that they are wrong with ample evidence and them just ignoring all of that to cling to debunked nonsense. No fun at all.

Dtruthspeaker:


And I have countered that there is no inconsistency because i have shown that even they know and are afraid and must be afraid that another person can and will produce their product that is why THEY MUST label and badge their products.

If they were sure that no one would ever be able to make it, then won't label it. But they already know that people can do so, so they MUST label and badge their products BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID OF OTHER CREATORS.

But for God and I'm God's case He has already proven that there is no need to badge and label His Products for no other one can produce them!

And that He is The Only God! AND THERE IS NO OTHER NOR IS THERE ANY BESIDES HIM! Hahaha Loser!

So, no road for THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH! Hehehehehe!

You're just too dishonest in your arguments. Sometimes its no use arguing with you

Wilgrea7:
@jaephoenix

I've been following a couple of these threads for a while.

I can't help but salute your patience. One of the reasons I've lost motivation to post on here is because it's like talking to a brick wall.

Certain people here who I won't mention, are more interested in just saying something.. anything.

Even when proven blatantly wrong, they just run away from the thread only to repeat their debunked concepts somewhere else.

It's not easy dealing with these. I salute you

Bro, I get tired sometimes. But I do it in my spare time. And sometimes, the desired effect is on the secondary readers(not primary) who have some remnants of brains

Nextt:


Simple, the accuracy of the Word of God cannot be swept aside with argument or denial. Look into the Quran, or Hindu religious texts you will see erroneous depictions of the earth as well as history that is shrouded in mystery.

Not so with the Word of God. In Isaiah 40:22, it says God sits enthroned above the circle of the earth. This is more than 3000 years before the exploration of man into space. If the text had said otherwise you atheists would have found extreme pleasure in dragging believers with that very verse, but now you have found it accurate you have become mum. Does your god, the Spaghetti Monster, or Allah, Krishna, etc have any such accuracy to their name?

Wait, it gets even better. The Greeks believe the earth is carried by Atlas on his shoulders. The Muslims believed the earth was flat according to their book, and there was no indication of what the earth looks like in outer space. Not so with the Bible. In Job 26:7, it says

He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing.

The book of Job is one of the oldest books in the Bible. It is more than 3000 years old. We are only able to know this through the satellite launched to space and the earlier space exploration. In the time of Job, there were no such mechanisms. How much more accurate can that get?

Wait, there is more. In verse 5 it says:

The earth, from which food comes, is transformed below as by fire

We all know that tectonic shifts or plate motion is the reason for the formation of continents from one super continent called Pangea. This tectonic shifts arise from the heat in the earth's crust which also causes earthquakes. That way, the earth is being transformed. Now, Job was not a scientist. This text has been around for millenniums. This tells you that God exists. There was no way for mere men, without advanced science as we have today are accurately able to specify facts that agree with empirical evidence today.

Lastly, Archeological discoveries have never contradicted the Word of God. Rather, they have proven the accuracy of the texts in the Bible. This points I have raised are incontrovertible proof that God made all that there is.

The Bible says in Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses No.16, that…‘God created two lights the greater light, the Sun to rule the day, and the lesser light the Moon, to rule the night.
Leviticus 11:20-23 (NIV):

All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper. But all other winged creatures that have four legs you are to detest.

This is an error since insects have six legs, not four, and since "fowl" have two legs, not four?

The Bible speaks about the creation of the universe. In the beginning, 1st Book, Book of Genesis, 1st Ch., it is mentioned - It says… ‘Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, in six days and talks about a evening and a morning, referring to a 24 - hour day. Today scientists tell us, that the universe cannot be created in a 24 hour period of six days. Qur’an too speaks about six ‘ayyams’. The Arabic word singular is ‘yaum’ plural is ‘ayyam’. It can either mean a day of 24 hours, or it is a very long period, an ‘yaum’, an epoch. Scientists say we have no objection in agreeing that the universe - it could have been created in 6 very long periods. I don’t think so God Can do this type of mistakes in his book that’s these scientific errors are proof that bible is fabricated

Next error

Bible says in Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,…‘Light was created on the first day.’ Genesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19… ‘The cause of light - stars and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day’. How can the cause of light be created on the 4th day - later than the light which came into existence on the first day? - It is unscientific.

Next error

The Bible says in the book of Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse No.29, that… ‘God has given you all the herbs bearing seeds, the trees bearing fruits - those that bear seed, as meat for you.’ New International Version says… ‘The seed bearing plants, and the trees bearing fruits bearing seeds are food for you, all of them.’ Today, even a layman knows that there are several poisonous plants like wild berries, stritchi, datura, plants containing alkaloid, polyander, bacaipoid - that which if you ingest, if you eat there are high possibilities you may die. How come the Creator of the universe and the human beings, does not know, that if you have these plants, you will die.

Next error

Bible says in Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses 9 to 13… ‘Earth was created on the 3rd day. How can you have a night and day without the earth ? The day depends upon the rotation of the Earth Without the earth created, how can you have a night and day?

Next error

It is mentioned in the 2nd Kings, Ch. No 24, Verse No 8, that…‘Jehoiachin was 18 years old, when he began to reign Jerusalem, and he reigned for 3 months and 10 days. 2nd Chronicles, Ch. No 36, Verse No 9, says that…‘Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign and he reigned for 3 months, 10 days. Was Jehoiachin 18 years when he began to reign, or was he 8 years old?

Next error

Furthermore. it is mentioned in the First Kings, Ch. No. 15, Verse No. 33, that… ‘Basha, he died in the 26th year of reign of Asa.’ And 2nd Chronicles Ch. No 16, Verse No 1, says that…‘Basha invaded Judah in the 36th years of the reign of Asa.’ How can Basha invade 10 years after his death? - It is unscientific.

Next error

It is mentioned in the book of Leveticus, Ch. No.12, Verse No.1 to 5, and we know medically, that after a mother gives birth to a child, the post-partal period, it is unhygienic. To say it is ‘unclean’, Religiously - I have got no objection. But Leviticus, Ch. No.12 Verse No.1 to 5, says that… ‘After a woman gives birth to a male child, she will be unclean for 7 days, and the period of uncleanliness will continue for 33 days more. If she gives birth to a female child, she will be unclean for two weeks, and the period of uncleanliness will continue for 66 days. In short, if a woman gives birth to a male child… ‘a son’, she is unclean for 40 days. If she gives birth to a female child… ‘a daughter’, she is unclean for 80 days. I would like you to explain to me scientifically, how come a woman remains unclean for double the period, if she gives birth to a female child, as compared to a male child.

These are what the Babble said about the Earth
Psalm 104:5
5 He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved
Psalms 75:3
3 When the earth and all its people quake, it is I who hold its pillars firm
Isaiah 40:22
22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in
The passages above strictly said circle, not sphere or geoid. They also said the earth is supported on pillars. So take your hoodwinking somewhere else
So your babble and stick it where the sun don't shine
Also can you let me know the archaeological evidence that support the babble?

Dtruthspeaker:


Mumu! The word "collectively" has exposed you are a mumu scammer because clearly branding is more than labels and badges.

So your scam no work Loser! Hahahahahaha. And your talk sef na off point! Hahahahahaha.

[b]And God has already proven that there is no need to badge and label His Products for no one: ABSOLUTELY NO ONE CAN PRODUCE THEM!

FOR HE IS THE ONLY God! AND THERE IS NO OTHER NOR IS THERE ANY BESIDES HIM! grin Hahaha Loser!

So, no road for THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH![

SO YOU DON LOSE, LOSER!/b] Hahahahahahahahahahahaa!

So what else is the essence of branding?
If at all u r a lawyer, u r the dumbest of them. The way u gloss over arguments without debunking them is risible. Do u actually do courtroom battles? U go fail tire.

Dtruthspeaker:


Hahahahahahahahaha Loser no fit find any valid argument to make!

And God is still The Only One Who shows that His products do not need labels and badges as no one: ABSOLUTELY NO ONE CAN EVER PRODUCE THEM!

FOR HE IS THE ONLY God! AND THERE IS NO OTHER NOR IS THERE ANY BESIDES HIM! Hahahahaha Loser!

So, die Loser, THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Which god is that? Thor? Amadioha? Flying Spaghetti Monster? How did u know his name if he didn't brand any of his goods, Mr. Lawyer?

Image123:


You probably live in a cocoon then. It's a small big world out there, come out of your comfort zone that you call "out".

And how do you know I live in a cocoon? From my posts? Lol these christians

jaephoenix:

Which god is that? Thor? Amadioha? Flying Spaghetti Monster? How did u know his name if he didn't brand any of his goods, Mr. Lawyer?

Dliespeaker just likes fooling himself. LoLz.

jaephoenix:

Which god is that? Thor? Amadioha? Flying Spaghetti Monster? How did u know his name if he didn't brand any of his goods, Mr. Lawyer?

Stupid people will always ask stupid questions.

LordReed:


Dliespeaker just likes fooling himself. LoLz.

Says the LyingLoserReed. Hahahahahahaha.

jaephoenix:

So what else is the essence of branding?
If at all u r a lawyer, u r the dumbest of them. The way u gloss over arguments without debunking them is risible. Do u actually do courtroom battles? U go fail tire.

If you were not a stupid illiterate child deluding himself that he would be a native doctor you would have known that you branded your books and things because some one can steali it by claiming ownership. Everyone knows that but you are definitely too stupid hence your stupid questions and responses.

jaephoenix:

You're just too dishonest in your arguments. Sometimes its no use arguing with you

Hahahahahahaha Stupid Losers! You are too stupud to even make an argument.

Dtruthspeaker:


Says the LyingLoserReed. Hahahahahahaha.

Dliespeaker! LMFAO!