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Dtruthspeaker:
Hahahahahahahahaha Loser no fit find any valid argument to make!

And God is still The Only One Who shows that His products do not need labels and badges as no one: ABSOLUTELY NO ONE CAN EVER PRODUCE THEM!

FOR HE IS THE ONLY God! AND THERE IS NO OTHER NOR IS THERE ANY BESIDES HIM! Hahahahaha Loser!

So, die Loser, THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

My brother in Christ, we are not called to insult unbelievers. Preach to them having the fear of God. Let your gentleness be known to all men. May the good Lord guide you as you consider these words.

Nextt:
A pretty bold thing to say. You and I may die in the next 50, 60 years and Christ may not have returned by then. Why? The Gospel must first be preached to everyone in the world including those who are cut off from civilization. Secondly, the prophecies that precede His return have not come to pass especially the prophecy about the mountain of God (Christianity) being exalted above the world's system of living and His last effort to reach mankind by sending His Spirit of repentance to the whole world so that people will cry in repentance to Him without needing a preacher. As it is appointed for each and every one of us to stand before Christ in judgment, so shall His return. It is appointed and there is no going back. His delay is His grace of repentance to the world to turn from the sins that decay them to His light of salvation.

So what about those that didn't hear your gospel and died. Would they go to hell?

LordReed:
I have nearly 2000years of history to back up what I am saying so I am just stating the obvious. Meanwhile I am yet to see anything to the contrary. Funny how a so called universe building god waits for human technology to progress first before his most important message can reach everyone. So which technological invention is the god waiting for now? We've done books, TVs, the Internet yet the message hasn't reached everyone? Maybe he is waiting for quantum computers or quantum tunneling communications, LoLz.

Hes waiting for AirMessage. Messages that move in the air

Nextt:
The same God who has reserved this world for fire? You talk about war, famines and pestilence. These are just the birth pangs of much greater destruction to come. The real destruction is doing press up. Fire, the kind that will guzzle the whole earth with everything in it and still be hungry is on its way, reserved, and you are lamenting about mere war and destruction.

God will not exercise His power to appeal to your false sense of righteousness. Your (all men's) righteousness is like used and overused rags in His sight. As long as there is sin there will be destruction. That effect is only a cosmetic solution to present danger. God will not use His power to erase destruction while sin, the source of destruction, continues unabated. It is exactly like spraying perfume in an environment of garbage dump (sin) to eradicate a stench (destruction). The pleasing aroma lasts only seconds butnit won't take long reality will set in because the stench from the dump persists. This is why the world is reserved for fire to burn up the refuse (the world and all those who have rejected Christ). Until then, God is giving the grace, as long as you still breathe, to change your ways and turn to Him.

But he killed some babies without them repenting

Geovanni412:
Why are you so pained?

Counter him with Christian verses that support your point

If all the disciples behaved so scared like this, Christianity for no spread reach like this.

Bro, the thing tire me.
A Christian asked me why I tuned atheist. I promised him I would let him know. 5 days later after he repeated his question again, I replied him and told him I'll make a thread outta it, so other Christians would know(and stop asking me why I became atheist). Now I made the thread and replied him, 10 days later, neither the dude Lawag3 nor other Christians have attempted to counter any of the points. All I get is all kinds of accusations and threats. Threats I'm so used to hearing. Its funny.
But it looks as if you are a Christian, so you can attempt some counter yourself.
Merry Christmas

Nextt:
Exactly my point. How did it come to be? Can the process be replicated? Why is the earth rotating on its axis and making a revolution round the sun which we call a year? A car moves and we know why but the planets also move and what fuels their movement? Why does earth support life but other planets don't? Is it a random occurrence or random selection? What made the sun, the earth, the stars? What governs their movement? Can you explain any of these?

1. Because the amount of gravity exerted by the sun is so much more than the Earth's gravitational pull, the Earth is forced into an orbit around the sun. The sun's gravity pulls the Earth toward it the same way it does to all the other planets in the solar system. It is similar to the way the Earth has captured the moon. That is how it forms days and seasons.
2. Apart from Earth, Venus has oxygen which is a requirement for life. Other Earth-like exoplanets are in existence light years away. Read up more here https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-discover-a-planet-with-the-potential-to-support-life-180980733/
3. The Sun formed about 4.6 billion years ago in a giant, spinning cloud of gas and dust called the solar nebula. As the nebula collapsed under its own gravity, it spun faster and flattened into a disk.
This is why I say religion is for the ignorant. And thrives in ignorant societies like Nigeria. And you're a nice product of this ignorance

Nextt:
No one said God is depending on any technological advancement to have His Word spread to all the earth. [/b]Phillip was translocated to the path of the Ethiopian Eunuch so that He could explain the scriptures to the Ethiopian. Paul went by ships to different nations to preach. Besides, I also mentioned people where the light of civilization has not shone. Do they read books, watch TVs, surf the internet? In the midst of this technological advancement, there are billions without formal education. Many must have heard the word preached in the language they can understand but books and the internet are useless in propagating the gospel to reach this class of people.

Again, you mentiond [b]'nearly 2000 years of history...' as if Christ gave a timeframe of His return and has failed to do just that. I will like to see that evidence now if you don't mind.

How come previously anti-internet christians are now embracing it? Like Deeper Life. They use Internet to spread the Babble. Same as Christ Embassy etc. These days, its common to see church streams. Go online now on Instagram, Facebook etc and see links to churches. So what are you talking about?

jaephoenix:
Bro, the thing tire me.
A Christian asked me why I tuned atheist. I promised him I would let him know. 5 days later after he repeated his question again, I replied him and told him I'll make a thread outta it, so other Christians would know(and stop asking me why I became atheist). Now I made the thread and replied him, 10 days later, neither the dude Lawag3 nor other Christians have attempted to counter any of the points. All I get is all kinds of accusations and threats. Threats I'm so used to hearing. Its funny.
But it looks as if you are a Christian, so you can attempt some counter yourself.
Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas to you

Some of the issues you raised

Firstly .

The Bible is the most accurate historical book .

If you can find a book with more accuracy in history, kindly let us know

Also, if you can find ten historical inaccuracies in the Bible, also let us know.

On the issue of poverty, the Bible states that the poor shall remain in our midst. There is no link between wealth and Christianity. The 'fraudster/pastors' are the ones that developed that theory. As you rightly pointed out, the facts are there for all of us to see.

Furthermore, which current Christian is as rich as the Saudi Royal Family?

On the third issue of miracles, they occur based on faith. However, like you pointed out, many of the 'miracles' you see on Tv are fake. Things like healing an autistic child or a bone growing out of nowhere don't happen as miracles easily because miracle depends on faith and God's will.

You can have the faith but if it is not the will of God, absolutely, nothing will happen.What many Churches will not tell you is that It is God's will for some people to be born blind, deaf and dumb and it is also God's will for some people to be extremely wicked and cause destruction on earth.

Isaiah 45:7 (NIV): "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things"

Amos 3:6 (NIV) : "When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble? When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it?"

Lamentations 3:37-38 (NIV) states, "Who can speak and have it happen if the Lord has not decreed it? Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come?"

God does as he pleases. On the issue of the story of creation, I do not know much about the gaffes you pointed out. However, I can affirm that some part of the history recorded in Genesis is either missing or incoherent.

Adam and Eve gave birth to Cain and Abel..Cain killed Abel and as he was leaving to another town, he was afraid that he would be slain by other men. Where did these other men come from? Did God create more people than Adam and Eve? How did the population develop for Cain to have been scared of other men?

In looking at the Bible as a historical source, you have to remember that history = his story. Whoever compiled the Bible did it in a manner that will reflect the story he is trying to push to the masses but this does not deflect from the overall high level of historical accuracy reflected in the Bible which has been noticed by scientists and some archaeologists to some extent. Also, the Bible is not a historical book of the world, it is a record of Jewish history or have you seen where they mentioned chronology of King of Persia there?

As for the story of Garden of Eden, I have already addressed it with the Bible verses that tells you that God does whatsoever he pleases and there is no rationale or logic to explain it. Don't mind the 'fraudsters/pastors' that try to tell you that bad things don't happen to their congregation. They forget so easily that many disciples were beheaded during the spread of the gospel.

Is the Bible a poor moral code? The answer is no..The ten commandments gives you a strong base to train your children on the best way to behave. On the issue of slavery, you need to understand that humans are made in the image of God. In heaven, there was war and God sent the devil down to hell. Here on earth, when there is war, humans take others as slaves and servants.

What I am saying is that life is utterly meaningless. The strong will oppress the weak - God will not lift a finger to change that until he deems it fit. When will that happen? No one knows. The Israelites (his beloved) were slaves for 400 years in Egypt.

So, considering all these, why do I think there is God? I believe there is God because I can see the route of the Devil and it is far from pleasing. I can see the LGBTQ+, the rapists, the paedophiles and the ritualists. Most of these people cling to a higher being , Satan for protection. In response, I have to believe there is a God and if it is his will, I will remain safe from them. It is a case of there is no better alternative.

jaephoenix:
Hes waiting for AirMessage. Messages that move in the air

Maybe he is waiting for the atheist Elon Musk to perfect brain computer interface so he can directly beam his word into people's heads. LMAO.

Dtruthspeaker:
Hahahahahahahahaha Loser no fit find any valid argument to make!

And God is still The Only One Who shows that His products do not need labels and badges as no one: ABSOLUTELY NO ONE CAN EVER PRODUCE THEM!

FOR HE IS THE ONLY God! AND THERE IS NO OTHER NOR IS THERE ANY BESIDES HIM! Hahahahaha Loser!

So, die Loser, THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Your tantrum no enter. Ko wole, o ti lo! Bwahahahahaha!

LordReed:
Your tantrum no enter. Ko wole, o ti lo! Bwahahahahaha!

Hahahahahahahahaha Loser don dey repeat himself as e no fit find any valid argument to make!

And God is still The Only One Who shows that His products do not need labels and badges as no one: ABSOLUTELY NO ONE CAN EVER PRODUCE THEM!

FOR HE IS THE ONLY God! AND THERE IS NO OTHER NOR IS THERE ANY BESIDES HIM! Hahahahaha Loser!

So, die Loser, THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Dtruthspeaker:
Hahahahahahahahaha Loser don dey repeat himself as e no fit find any valid argument to make!

And God is still The Only One Who shows that His products do not need labels and badges as no one: ABSOLUTELY NO ONE CAN EVER PRODUCE THEM!

FOR HE IS THE ONLY God! AND THERE IS NO OTHER NOR IS THERE ANY BESIDES HIM! Hahahahaha Loser!

So, die Loser, THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

You must be talking about yourself since you are the one repeating a failed argument. Bwahahahahahahahaha!

LordReed:
You must be talking about yourself since you are the one repeating a failed argument. Bwahahahahahahahaha!

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Your tantrum no enter. Ko wole, o ti lo! Bwahahahahaha![/quote] Loser don dey resort to lies as e see say e repeat no work. Hahahahahahahahaha.

And God is still The Only One Who shows that His products do not need labels and badges as no one: ABSOLUTELY NO ONE CAN EVER PRODUCE THEM!

FOR HE IS THE ONLY God! AND THERE IS NO OTHER NOR IS THERE ANY BESIDES HIM! Hahahahaha Loser!

So, die Loser, THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

LordReed:
My answer would essentially be the same, they all came about by natural processes with no sentient control in evidence.

In other words, something can come from nothing, right?

I know it is humans that do all these things because I know humans do it and not natural processes, that is how we distinguish between what we call natural vs what we call artificial. On one hand it can be demonstrated every day of the week and twice on Sunday that these are human creations while the other hand you cannot demonstrate in any meaningful way that a god has done anything. We know it is brushstrokes that are paintings because these are techniques developed by humans, you cannot tell me the techniques your god supposedly used to make anything. All you'll continue to do is make the claim, you are unable to evidence it.

That means no painting is made through natural process. A human must be behind it. If, then, it takes humans, an intelligent class of species, to design a work of art that is admirable, logical, has order how then can the planets, sun, stars and the universe requiring more complex knowledge and skill than painting come about through natural process? Are you not shooting yourself on the foot?

The Bible is a collection of stories some of which contain reflections of the cultural settings the stories are based in. Stories are not evidence or else every tale ever told is just as equally true as any other which is obviously not true. Your bible is not any more evidence for anything other the culture of its time than Cinderella or Grimm's tales. In order to show me that the Bible is true you need evidence outside of the stories. And one feature of stories is you can make them mean almost anything. The same book you claim says the world is a sphere is also the same book people say it is flat also quote so between you and them who is correct? Only external evidence can show who is correct. Simply saying something is true doesn't make it so.

Talk full of air. Where in the Bible is it said that the earth is flat? Please quote the chapter and verse in the Bible that said the earth is flat. You have ignored the fact that the book of Isaiah was carbon dated to around 800 BC. This means it is almost 3000 years old. Even if the Bible was a collection of stories, you cannot be blind to the fact that it casually gave information that humanity had to wait thousands of years to be able to verify with technology. The Bible is replete with scientific facts that no one can contradict or refute. It is pulsating with accuracy. The prophecies of the Bible concerning the future are seen to be manifesting before your very eyes. Before 1948, there was no nation called Israel. In fulfillment of Biblical prophecies they returned to their land in ships as the Word of God declared and became a nation in 1948. Do these things sound like fairytale to you?

The only way to be certain of anything is to have material evidence in my opinion. We have memory tests, we have intelligence tests, we have MRI that can show the brain at work and how it corresponds with your thinking process but you want me to ignore all of this and accept your conjectures based off of the writings of more primitive people. No thank you sir. I will stick with science and the results it produces, your conjectures don't count for anything in comparison.

You are just telling me how the brain functions. To this day, science cannot tell why we sleep. Can you? That shows you that truth and evidence do not always agree. Show me the imagination, not the brain at work. That is what I required from you. The human brain has been studied for centuries now yet no scientist can objectively monitor what a person is seeing in their imagination. What is the evidence that a person sees a man in white skirt and brown fur coat in his imagination? Is it with MRI scan? Lol.

The only reason you can say outside time and space is because of science. The primitive writers you base your beliefs on thought heaven is in the sky which was why the tower of Babel was gonna intrude on the god's territory and he had to destabilize the plans of humans. Of course science can't prove an imaginary sky fairy that doesn't exist which is why you retreat your god to a place that cannot be investigated. Unfortunately for you, your insistence that a god is responsible for anything puts the onus on you to demonstrate it because you are insisting that this timeless, spaceless god is doing things in time and space. That means there must be evidence of the effect of this god's actions. Yet all the most prominent things the god supposedly did cannot be evidenced. It's not me who is being fallacious and shallow.

@ the bolded - lies. Lies with the properties of ignorance. There was no matter or space or universe until God created it. There was no measure of time until it was created by God through as Day and Night in verse 3 of Genesis chapter 1. He also created the Sun, moon and stars to give light and to act as measurement of time in seasons, days and years. Isn't it ignorance to think God dwells in time and space, and then created it? Science has nothing to do with that. It is said that the universe began from a tiny matter or energy that exploded popularly known as the Big Bang theory. The fact is it is just a theory you wholeheartedly accept as true without investigation or question. For example, what was the moment before the Big Bang? If energy cannot be created or destroyed how did the energy that exploded materialize from nothing? What caused the explosion? The Big Bang theory only addresses evolution of the universe, not its creation. What about the law of entropy which is the second law of thermodynamics? It clearly refutes the theory of the Big Bang. According to it, without an external force, a system or natural process will find disorder or entropy staying the same or increasing as time goes on. This clearly sinks the idea of order arising from randomness. Of course there are other theories but there lies the issue. You have no evidence for the explanation of the universe and yet you say it is the only way you can objectively verify anything. This is exactly what God said in His Word that He will catch the wise in their own craftiness in Job 5:13.

LMAO! DNA is a chemical, a protein, they simplify the language used to describe it has confused people like you into making these kinds of childish conjectures. Dude we used to use chemical formulas to spell our names back in secondary school, it would be stupid to claim that because I can spell a name with chemical notation it means that thing exists.

Of course, the chemicals or acids, adenine, cytosine, guanine and thymine are the four building blocks of the DNA which contain the genes that determine what is and what will be. They are paired with each other this way; adenine with thymine (A-T) while guanine is paired with cytosine (G-C). A DNA molecule is made up of two segments known as double helix. In each segment, the acids held together by hydrogen bonds connect with the sugar and phosphate backbone to form a nucleotide which forms a spiral staircase. These segments form a bridge in a particular sequence. A bridge is formed, 10 segments later another bridge is formed, 5 segments after another bridge is formed, 6 segments later, then 5 segments later a bridge is formed. This pattern, according to my research, keeps repeating in this pattern. The number sequence 10 5 6 5 represent the letters YHWH in Hebrews which is also known as Yahweh. Can you refute this discovery? Please paste it here for all to see. And again, please use the ATCG base pairs to spell your name if you can like you claimed.

LordReed:
LoLz. Quick question, in how may days did your god create the earth and the things in it? And how many days was he resting? Was it 6 days or 6,000years and did he rest for a day or a thousand years?

I have told you. My answer to you was not pulled from the air. It is in His Word. Six days He created the world. He could do that in the blink of an eye but He rather chose to do that in six days. He rested on the seventh day. Without a thinking cap you will say God creating the world with His words is hard work such that He needed rest. That is another mystery connected to why He views a day as a thousand years and the other way round. That is too much for your mind to relate so I just inserted it as a piece of info but you won't ever connect the dots.

Nobody made it, which is the point. Your god remains an unevidence proposition. Saying that because scientists cannot replicate something proves a god is just as childish as saying Superman is real because no one else can fly faster than a bullet.

In the same manner, demanding testable, observable evidence of the reality of everything as if all reality must fall under the scope of empirical evidence is fallacious thinking. It is like saying if I cannot see consciousness, hear consciousness, touch consciousness, or test consciousness in a lab then consciousness is not a reality. Really?

With the powers you attribute to your god why is it taking the advent of human technological progress to effectively spread his message? Why doesn't the god use his ocean creating powers to flood the earth with his message? It doesn't happen because your god is as real as Superman, existing only in the imagination and pages of a book.

God has entrusted the work of the Gospel to man, to those who come to Him. The Bible says He did not entrust this work to angels otherwise you would see angels preaching and not needing slow means of transportation like planes or vehicles to travel round the world. The gifts and callings of God are without repentance.

You meaning the stupidity of the idea that this god wants everybody to know something but instead of making everybody know by himself, he's just gonna fold his arms and wait for human beings, the same human beings he has already condemned as worthy of destruction, to do all the work so he can blame them for failing. LMFAO! It doesn't take rocket science to see just how bad of an idea some of these things are. Just low down stupid ideas.

I will be gracious and say to y'all that I don't blame you, these ideas are for suspending disbelief so you can accept some of the more disheartening parts of the nature of our reality and operate as if there something more. I totally get that but the ideas are still stupid nonetheless.

The carnal man cannot understand the ways of God. Everything is coming to full circle and will not miss a fraction of his calendar of events that He has set in His timeline of events. Besides, if God did that why then did He have to give the gifts of the ministry and make many Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers? What master does the work of a servant? Do you have a househelp and still perform the duties of the househelp? We are ambassadors of Christ. We represent Him on earth. Is the concept of being an ambassador foreign to you?

Without technology your so called word of god would have evaporated like many of the pre written word civilizations before. Your religion is the beneficiary of a series of human actions and inventions, it doesn't make it more special, the same way you aren't more special than all the people who died last night. Being the beneficiary of good fortune or fortunate circumstances doesn't make it true a god exists or make those fortunate circumstances the work of a god. One only has to read a wide breath of human history to see that if a god existed and was orchestrating anything, the god must be insane. I on the other hand realise it is all the doing of humans, no gods required.

The bolded is really funny 😄. What human actions and interventions? Is it the intervention of the slaughter of hundreds of millions of Christians through the ages that still persists today? Is it the persecution and imprisonment of an unknown number of Christians to prevent the spread of the Word of God that you call interventions? Today, the Bible is the most widely read book in the whole world. No one is forcing you to believe in God. That choice is yours and yours personally. But we won't fail to warn people of the consequences of neglecting God's outstretched arm of salvation through the death of His Son on the cross. The consequences are dire. It is the same way Noah built an ark but this ark of salvation was neglected by the people of his day who must have kept reminding him for the 75 years or so that he built the ark that he was delusional and that nothing had happened since he warned them decades back. That was until it was completed and God shut the door of the ark with Noah and his family safely inside. God is waiting for the completion of the number of saints in heaven before He unleashes His judgment on a disobedient world.

Dtruthspeaker:
Hahahahahahahahaha Loser don dey repeat himself as e no fit find any valid argument to make!

And God is still The Only One Who shows that His products do not need labels and badges as no one: ABSOLUTELY NO ONE CAN EVER PRODUCE THEM!

FOR HE IS THE ONLY God! AND THERE IS NO OTHER NOR IS THERE ANY BESIDES HIM! Hahahahaha Loser!

So, die Loser, THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

LoLz the only person repeating themselves is you Dliespeaker. Bwahahahahaha!

Dtruthspeaker:
Gravity is not in the place we call space if we accept the hearsay of those who say they have gone to space, so clearly someone packed it here exactly how climate control works in our car.

And gravity cannot create itself exactly as the climate control did not create itself . So the proof of God is all over the place for every person to see and only unreasonable devils and of course devils are always haters of God that is why you are the only ones who deny God's honour. No reasonable person does that only devils like you.

Earth's gravity comes from all its mass. All its mass makes a combined gravitational pull on all the mass in your body. That's what gives you weight. And if you were on a planet with less mass than Earth, you would weigh less than you do here.
Like I always tell you 'STAY AWAY FROM ANY SCIENTIFIC DISCOURSE. YOUR BRAIN ISNT SUITABLE FOR IT'

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Nice writeup Mr J.

Thank you bro. Merry Christmas

Nextt:
You have artfully dodged the question. The Word of God said a thousand years is like a day in the sight of God and a day is like a thousand years. Going by that, two days (two thousand years) is well within the context of 'soon' or 'quickly'. You can't deny knowing how people usually describe the passage of weeks and months as fast by saying, "Days are fast!". It is not even two days (two thousand years). The issue here is you said he hasn't returned since then as if He gave a specific timeframe. I hope you will specifically point that fact out, and leave no room for guesswork, not by hanging your argument on an abstract adverb - 'quickly'



Who made the waters for the ships to sail? Can you or any scientist living create an ocean? Do you have the technology to create a star like the sun much less billions of stars in the galaxy? Who made the heaven for the planes to fly? Can you create the clouds to give rain and float in the sky? Every cloning attempt has suffered fatal failure following a very short spell of success. You think creating man and animals na beans? Why can't your scientists replicate the feat? I cannot begin to highlight the complexity behind the 'simple' creations you see that makes your so-called planes, ships and technological innovations look like primitive devices in comparison. The wisdom with which God created the comet, the galaxies, the planets, the seasons - which one can primitive science accomplish? The technology alone to make the earth from nothing is trillions of light years away from what science is able to achieve and can ever dream of achieving and you gloat on the use of ships and plane. Gosh. Lol. Like the Being who created the seas needs your wooden or metal ships to cross the seas? Lol. This error of logic is beyond me.



And there are yet many places still living in the darkness of ignorance. God is a just and righteous God.

God does not count time the way you do. After the fall of Adam, He did not send Jesus immediately to die for the sins of mankind. It would take more than 5,000 years later for the Lord Jesus to appear from the time of Adam. When the Israelites were enslaved by the Egyptians God waited 400 years to send a deliverer to them. If the Lord Jesus had returned before now, how would the prophecy about the Antichrist and the completion of the third temple in Israel be fulfilled? We see that already happening in our time but the end will not be until this is done. God has laid a calendar of events that must be fulfilled before the end. That is the reason for the delay besides His mercy and grace of repentance. Lastly, before technology God spread His Word; without it His Word will still be spread by leaps and bounds. Nothing can hinder its progress. Nothing and you know it.

1. Scientists have created artificial rain, sea, stars, embryo, animals etc. Try and read
2. I thought u guys always blast atheists for thinking the Earth came from nothing? Now you're saying the same thing. Lol 😆

Nextt:
It is easy to say the gravitational pull of the sun causes the movement of the earth. It is easy to say nuclear fusion of hydrogen atoms to form helium is the reason for the sun's self-sustaining energy over billions of years. That is like saying a car moves when the engine burns fuel and converts the heat of the fuel into traction by which the car can operate. What company designed the car? If I wanted a sun or moon with my name on it and customized to my desire where do I go to have one made for me? What designed it? Did the sun create itself? Did the earth create itself? Did life create itself? If so, why is life absent on other planets we know? These are the questions you have skipped skillfully.

Its like you're like Dliespeaker. Science isnt your forte.
There are artificial suns. There are planets with oxygen like Venus, in fact, we haven't finished discovering all the exo-planets, and some of them have been speculated to have life.
I suggest you read up more science

Dtruthspeaker:
No need for science paper. Every reasonable and normal person can see that things do not create themselves and that they are abundant or scarce or even absent according to how their Creator set it to be.

Secondly, even the cloth on your body is evidence and proof of your tailor even where we all do not know her. So you have no valid argument.

So who created god?

Dtruthspeaker:
Na you get gravity or you fit buy gravity yet you dey use moto! brahahahahaha. Atheist una no go ki me with laugh and una stupidity

You're even dafter than I thought. You wont know sarcasm even if it tears your boxers

LordReed:
Very good! Where is the badge of the manufacturer on anything that clearly states it was made by your god? Where is the trademark or logo or label?

I haven't skipped anything because that's not what you asked me. You are the one claiming these things where made by your god so the onus is on you to provide the evidence that it is so. Your incredulity about the natural processes that bring about the formation of the sun, earth and life are all your problem not mine, so it all lies on you to provide the evidence that these natural processes are being conducted by your god.

These christians are so ignorant about science. I wonder where they were when these things were taught in high school. Or is it evidence of our poor educational system?

Dtruthspeaker:
When we are the only one who makes a product and the only one who can make it, we never badge or trademark or logo them!

There is no need to! And that is Why God is The Only God!

It is the presence of co-creators which makes creators place marks and trademarks and logos on their toys (creations).

But for God, THERE IS NONE. THERE IS NO OTHER AND THERE IS NONE BESIDES HIM!
Hahahahahaha!

So who made god?

jaephoenix:
So what about those that didn't hear your gospel and died. Would they go to hell?

God is the judge of that. He knows your heart and your motives. He will judge that.

jaephoenix:
But he killed some babies without them repenting

Why are you jumping from one spontaneous thought to another without addressing anything that has been answered which leaves gaps of knowledge that should be filled regarding the subject of discussion? That is a character trait of someone who only wants to hear himself.

Nextt:
Please reread the post I made in reference to the bolded to verify whether I asked the question or not.

When you see a work of art, a paint or picture you do not ask who painted it but you subconsciously accept the fact that a painter is behind it. The painter may be anonymous, he may be dead or alive, he may be black or white. You don't care or seek evidence of a painter behind a paint because you know brush strokes cannot move on their own to create a logical picture. You just know someone is behind it though that someone may not be known to you.

You can admit testimonial and documentary evidence in the court of law but when it comes to the bible you consider it hogwash. This double standard is glaring. As with the painter, who may leave a note through an agent to verify his ownership of the paint such written evidence is admissible or considered authentic enough to lay his claim to the paint. This is exactly what happened thousands of years ago before any exploration into space was made, He who formed the earth said it is a circle in His Word. A manufacturer has a manual of how a product or device operates. The bible is also God's manual of his creation. Galileo would have been saved the stress of proving that the earth is round if only he had simply made reference to the book of Isaiah.

It is gross fallacy to think empirical evidence can match every kind of reality. For example, do you have any explanation for how the imagination can be objectively observed? You can't see mine neither I yours. Does that mean it doesn't exist? Science can tell there is imagination but cannot prove it. Maybe you can provide the empirical evidence of memory, consciousness, and morality.

On the nature of the existence of God, who created and exists outside time and space, asking evidence of His existence is simply shallow thinking. Scientific methods used to verify the existence of anything is severely limited to phenomena subject to time and space. It is like fitting the entire universe into your little laboratory. As impossible as it is there is more hope for that than to fit God, who created the universe and exists outside it, into observable, testable methods. It is like looking for the evidence of the presence of a matchbox company in the matchbox product itself. Lols.

Finally, an artist signs his name on his paint. That is his badge. You can read this last bit up and make your findings. DNA mapping has been discovered to include the name of God in every living thing. The numerological DNA sequence reads YHWH in the Hebrew language. It is encoded in the DNA of all living things. That is the artist signing His work.

1. Not all documentary or testimonial evidences are admitted in court. Just few and they are usually scrutinized. The bible as an evidence falls apart in scrutiny
2. It might interest you that the people that opposed Galileo were in fact the church. The Christians who were told in the bible that the Earth was flat, and felt Galileo was committing a heresy by implying the Babble was wrong, and he nearly paid with his life.
Also Isaiah said the earth is FLAT. Read it
3. We can't use empirical evidence for everything, because some words are nebulous. Lemme explain. We can't see truth, can we? But know it exists. But we have seen objects that portray truth, like your true parents etc. Another example is reasoning. We can't see reasoning but we have its products like scientific ideas, people committing murders etc. About god, we can't see any evidence. If we see trees, there is no evidence it came from god.
4. By the way, even if we assume everything came from god, how do we know its your favorite sky daddy and not Flying Spaghetti Monster, Thor etc? And who created god since everything MUST have a creator?
5. There are no sulfur bonds in the human DNA. This sequence bullshit has been debunked by scientists but does it stop Babble thumpers from using it? Hell no. Ya'll dont depend on evidence. You run on hearsay and lies

jaephoenix:
1. Because the amount of gravity exerted by the sun is so much more than the Earth's gravitational pull, the Earth is forced into an orbit around the sun. The sun's gravity pulls the Earth toward it the same way it does to all the other planets in the solar system. It is similar to the way the Earth has captured the moon. That is how it forms days and seasons.
2. Apart from Earth, Venus has oxygen which is a requirement for life. Other Earth-like exoplanets are in existence light years away. Read up more here https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-discover-a-planet-with-the-potential-to-support-life-180980733/
3. The Sun formed about 4.6 billion years ago in a giant, spinning cloud of gas and dust called the solar nebula. As the nebula collapsed under its own gravity, it spun faster and flattened into a disk.
This is why I say religion is for the ignorant. And thrives in ignorant societies like Nigeria. And you're a nice product of this ignorance

First, why did you selectively skip the part where I asked how it all came to be?

Your answer about life on the planet venus is horse dung or lazy researching. There is only a possibility of life but it is uncertain. Are the words 'possibility' and 'certainty' synonyms in your dictionary? Life, human life, plant life, don't you know the meaning of life? Venus cannot support either with its hot temperatures and clouds of sulfuric acid below its atmospheres. Please, 'potential' to support life is a huge contrast from 'life found in a planet'.

The nebula is a cloud of gas and dust from which the solar system emerged - hypothesis. Are you trying to deceive yourself or your hearers? It is a theory. Besides, if the universe sprang from nothing I guess you are okay with the fact that a cloud of dust and gas sprang from emptiness.

You should be the one questioning your knowledge which makes you question everything but accept everything science says without questioning it to the extent of parading theory as fact.

jaephoenix:
How come previously anti-internet christians are now embracing it? Like Deeper Life. They use Internet to spread the Babble. Same as Christ Embassy etc. These days, its common to see church streams. Go online now on Instagram, Facebook etc and see links to churches. So what are you talking about?

Restrict your questions to the Bible. I will not answer any questions pertaining to the practices and beliefs of several churches that have no connection with what is expressly revealed in the Word of God.

jaephoenix:
1. Scientists have created artificial rain, sea, stars, embryo, animals etc. Try and read
2. I thought u guys always blast atheists for thinking the Earth came from nothing? Now you're saying the same thing. Lol 😆

Again, talk is cheap. Where is the star they created? What is its name? Don't tell me it lasted for a brief time and died otherwise I may begin to imagine that all I have to do is break down language to your level every time make a reply to you. Where is the sea located? Lol. Cloned animals with 0.2% survival rate? 😂

Again, I'm at a complete loss why you guys love shooting yourselves in the foot for sport 🤔 Is it that it makes you feel intelligent? I don't get. Your second paragraph slaps you in the face because you just said scientists created a bunch of stars, seas, and animals proving an intelligent designer behind a design. Gosh. Let us know when you find the star, the sea, and one of the cloned animals that can survive and birth other animals.

jaephoenix:
Its like you're like Dliespeaker. Science isnt your forte.
There are artificial suns. There are planets with oxygen like Venus, in fact, we haven't finished discovering all the exo-planets, and some of them have been speculated to have life.
I suggest you read up more science

Refer one of my previous replies to you about the materialization of the nebula.

As regards Venus I have debunked your claim that it supports life that has not been detected. Besides, the amount of oxygen only found in its atmosphere is severely little compared to that which is found on earth. I have never claimed thorough knowledge of science so I still find it interesting and keep reading it but you should really take your own advice.