Roycemadeit:

In this perspective, no matter the colorful interpretations of "grace," it ultimately implies that God overlooks one's faults but condemns another.

MaxInDHouse:

GRACE means UNDESERVED KINDNESS!

Roycemadeit:

If a wrongdoer escapes punishment due to grace or undeserved kindness, it implies a potentially biased God. Those expressing love for God might face disappointment on the final day, considering God's past actions, like favoring Jacob over Esau despite the latter's deceit and lack of brotherly love.

Roycemadeit:
The cherished sibling reveals deceit, envy, and covetousness, even demanding the birthright in exchange for a meal. Esau, realizing the consequences, opts for survival, yet faces blame for losing both birthright and blessings.
It becomes evident that blaming Esau stems from bias, as approaching it impartially would lead to judging God.

Roycemadeit:
That Jacob was a thief and covetous and loved by God, tells the truth that God is human.

MaxInDHouse:

THIEF and COVETOUS shey?
Please on what basis are you making such judgement?
Is it on laws made before or after Jacob?
Guy laws written after Jacob can't be used to judge Jacob because he is not aware of such law!
Take for instance God later condemned incest in the laws given to Israelites while Abraham married his own sister.
So we're talking about what you're aware of not what you don't know!

Roycemadeit:

What was the law written against murder that Cain was judged for?

Roycemadeit:

What was the law written against homosexuality that Sodom and Gomorrah was judged for?

Roycemadeit:

What was the law given that made Esau resent Jacob for what he did?

Roycemadeit:

How do you want to imply that Jacob is free of accusations when God even let them to be born before he judged them?

MaxInDHouse:

Hitting someone with the intent of injury needs no law because even a toddler won't do it knowing fully well that he or she will be punished for it.

Sodom and Gomorrah had Lot living with them with two daughters who are virgins and moreover the inhabitants decided to hurt the two strangers who never wronged them.

Esau realized his stupidity but was concerned about him own existence that's why he thought it's all over when he later became rich in his lifetime but Jacob had in mind the blessing of becoming the great grandfather of Christ!

God studied children while they're still in the womb so He didn't judge without knowledge rather He has known what will be of utmost importance to both of them right before their birth!

Roycemadeit:

Yet, you are still saying Jacob is not liable to been judged? Even when had to disguise to be his brother?
You forget you are talking about the deity who repented and changed his perspective over and over again! Weldone Sir
Corruption Everywhere

Roycemadeit:
[b]The Bible acknowledges human inability to live above sin, suggesting that the sole pathway to heaven is through grace—a concept interpreted as favoritism.

MaxInDHouse:


All humans have sinned and fallen short of God's glory!

Roycemadeit:

If a wrongdoer escapes punishment due to grace or undeserved kindness, it implies a potentially biased God. Those expressing love for God might face disappointment on the final day, considering God's past actions, like favoring Jacob over Esau despite the latter's deceit and lack of brotherly love.

vdestro:


Another reasonably sounding madness.

As those who have been scammed have proven that it was their desire to defraud.another which made them fall for the.deceivier, so also did Eve open herself up to be deceived.

David, if not that he was indeed the wisest man almost paid almost died for his sins.

Cain was even warned before he murdered which God deferred his case sine die.

Every reasonable person knows that grace is discretional dispensed on grounds of Law and Just is, to those who have earned it.

But surely, blasphemers like you can never get it, which is why you are crying about on coming Gods Just is!

vdestro:


There is no bias when A Judge exercises His Rights!

Roycemadeit:

this is an unreasonably sounding madness.

Roycemadeit:

No one has sinned; this is the constraint imposed on people's mind to make them slaves. There's no evidence for alleged sins. Every mammal experiences pain during childbirth, and none consumes without effort. Snakes, as God supposedly cursed, don't eat sand. Even God, considered sinless, consults with lying spirits, expresses anger and jealousy, and acknowledges doing evil in the book of Isaiah. None has sinned.

vdestro:



And right now because you are going to hellfire, you want to take people with you, yet you are crying that grace can not be given to you. No judge anywhere can ever give you grace.

Roycemadeit:

A judge ought to be upright and just, when he becomes nepotic and bias, he is no longer a judge but a criminal.

MaxInDHouse:


Then we need to figure out what sin means first!

vdestro:


And God is The Most High Right whose judgments are super sound and super law full beyond all reasonable doubt.

Which is why you could not address my rebuttal.

Roycemadeit:


Shey me that know that God is man made, that will now believe Hellfire is real? You can beg God for all the grace he has and I hope you get it, because he might have disliked you from your conception like he did Esau or loved you like Jacob, either one. You are the one choosing your belief!

Roycemadeit:

The biblical God isn't as powerful as that, he is nothing more than a tool in hands of men.

Roycemadeit:

Indeed. Let's have you name sins or define it.

vdestro:


See, now you are changing post. He was man made yet you feared the fact you won't get grace? and now you are bothered that i may get His grace.

Face your case. Evil people like you.can never get grace. That is The Law.

I make peace, and I CREATE EVIL: I the Lord do all these things...

MaxInDHouse:


When God say SIN it means ERROR so when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit they passed on to all their descendants the trait to always do what is wrong instead of the right thing.

Roycemadeit:

The absence of wrong makes it challenging to discern what is right, just as the lack of bad prevents the understanding of good. In navigating between these extremes, choices emerge.
Yet, I perceive life not as dictated by a binary of wrong and good, but rather as a series of opportunities to learn and make better choices. What one deems bad may hold merit for another; the key lies in evaluating the benefits and consequences based on individual perspectives.
However, for someone unbiased and still holding onto a sense of humanism, reading about the suffering imposed on families, children, individuals, and nations—whose possessions were seized at God's command—raises questions about the assertion that God is Good.

Roycemadeit:

You obviously didn't understand my post. You may go through it again. I specifically talked about the meaning of GRACE and it's ridiculousness in the palace of justice...

MaxInDHouse:



As for possessions who told you anyone possessed anything when they will eventually die and leave everything behind them?

Roycemadeit:

Why did God lead Israelites to possessing a land that's not theirs?