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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by manwomanok: 10:22pm On Jan 22, 2024
Akerewe:
It's here
pls explain reason for the different rate when all are on 10 years period
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by freeman67: 7:34am On Jan 23, 2024
manwomanok:
pls explain reason for the different rate when all are on 10 years period
3 were originally 10 years and 1 15 years. The 3 of the 10 years were issued at different times and different auctions. The outcome/rates arrived at for those 3 auctions are different.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by emmanuelewumi(m): 8:44am On Jan 23, 2024
Akerewe:
It's here
This is not savings bond
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Akerewe(m): 10:38am On Jan 23, 2024
manwomanok:
pls explain reason for the different rate when all are on 10 years period
I think they are re-opening bond they are of different years.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Akerewe(m): 10:39am On Jan 23, 2024
emmanuelewumi:
This is not savings bond
Yes it's FGN BOND.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by manwomanok: 12:39pm On Jan 23, 2024
freeman67:
3 were originally 10 years and 1 15 years. The 3 of the 10 years were issued at different times and different auctions. The outcome/rates arrived at for those 3 auctions are different.
Thank you for your reply, for clarity shake, are those three 10 years going to expire in 10 years or different years as stated

since it re-issues, are we going to get the stated yield (rate) as a new buyer

Thank you
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by freeman67: 2:17pm On Jan 23, 2024
manwomanok:
Thank you for your reply, for clarity shake, are those three 10 years going to expire in 10 years or different years as stated

since it re-issues, are we going to get the stated yield (rate) as a new buyer

Thank you
Those 10 years will expire as stated all of them have already started counting since the first auction. The 1 for 2027 is already remaining just 3 years.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nakedman: 6:46pm On Jan 24, 2024
Dollar is now 1400. Naira investment keep getting doomed. lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by AngelicBeing: 9:35pm On Jan 24, 2024
Nakedman:
Dollar is now 1400. Naira investment keep getting doomed. lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed
Hian shocked

Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Mrvictorwrite(m): 1:15am On Jan 25, 2024
If so i think this will help a lot
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ogawisdom(m): 2:46pm On Jan 25, 2024
Any investment in Naira now is a waste of time.

USD currently at 1425

If you can work in Nigeria and earn at least 1000 USD monthly, you will almost live like a king as USD moves to 2000 with speed.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Tranquility2345:
ogawisdom:
Any investment in Naira now is a waste of time.

USD currently at 1425

If you can work in Nigeria and earn at least 1000 USD monthly, you will almost live like a king as USD moves to 2000 with speed.
Live like a king because costs will stay the same as Naira falls to 2000? I feel like giving you serious hot konk on that your bald head angry
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ogawisdom(m): 12:33am On Jan 26, 2024
Tranquility2345:
Live like a king because costs will stay the same as Naira falls to 2000? I feel like giving you serious hot konk on that your bald head angry
Actually you deserve the knock on your oblong empty skull since you cant understand that the man earning in USD can easily stay afloat inflation. Inflation will not affect him and even a nursery 3 pupil understands why. USD will not stay same too.

All our politicians have their loots in USD and are not bothered about ever rising cost of USD. Infact they are getting richer as a result cool
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Tranquility2345:
ogawisdom:
Actually you deserve the knock on your oblong empty skull since you cant understand that the man earning in USD can easily stay afloat inflation. Inflation will not affect him and even a nursery 3 pupil understands why. USD will not stay same too.

All our politicians have their loots in USD and are not bothered about ever rising cost of USD. Infact they are getting richer as a result cool
You are too dull. The only reason people change to dollars is to keep up with rising costs. Not to live like kings. As the Naira dey fall, costs dey go up. Mugu!

You must be an idiot if you think politicians keep their loot in USD because of inflation. Wetin concern corrupt politician with inflation? Politician own na how e go dey easy to store and transport the loot. Yamayama fall on that your dull bald head there! Lazy youth angry
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ogawisdom(m): 9:16am On Jan 26, 2024
Tranquility2345:
You are too dull. The only reason people change to dollars is to keep up with rising costs. Not to live like kings. As the Naira dey fall, costs dey go up. Mugu!

You must be an idiot if you think politicians keep their loot in USD because of inflation. Wetin concern corrupt politician with inflation? Politician own na how e go dey easy to store and transport the loot. Yamayama fall on that your dull bald head there! Lazy youth angry
Live like a king was figurative but how can you ever understand that when you are a pathological I'd.iot. Anyway I may just be engaging a kid.

No matter the size of hammer 🔨 I use i won't hammer common sense into an idiot comes to mind.

Go and read your incoherent submission and hide your face in shame. Mugu
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by RayRay06677(m): 2:48pm On Jan 26, 2024
FG bond bidding is 29th, fund your account today
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by skydiver01:
My account was funded on 22 Jan, 2024 by the coupon payments of my FGN 2026 & 2034 bonds (compounding) wink
RayRay06677:
FG bond bidding is 29th, fund your account today
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by hustla(m): 8:00pm On Jan 26, 2024
Is there any indication that the forex rates will come down anytime soon?

Been seeing stuff about Dangote's refinery helping but not much else has been said

Is the grass going to be green in a few years or its all doom and gloom?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by TotoNaRubber: 8:41pm On Jan 26, 2024
Nice coupon but do you know that the capital of this investment has been devalued by over 383% from 2020 when dollar was at N365.

If you had bought dollar with the capital and held till now, you would have been a lot better.

Your N50m @ N365/$ in 2020 = $136,900, It is now worth N50m /N1400 in 2024 = $35,714.

You lost over $100,000 in 4 years and counting cry



skydiver01:
My account was funded on 22 Jan, 2024 by the coupon payments of my FGN 2026 & 2034 bonds (compounding) wink
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by RayRay06677(m): 10:39pm On Jan 26, 2024
TotoNaRubber:
Nice coupon but do you know that the capital of this investment has been devalued by over 383% from 2020 when dollar was at N365.

If you had bought dollar with the capital and held till now, you would have been a lot better.

Your N50m @ N365/$ in 2020 = $136,900, It is now worth N50m /N1400 in 2024 = $35,714.

So we should convert all our monies to dollars?

Same reason the dollar is feeling fly.

You lost over $100,000 in 4 years and counting cry

Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by RayRay06677(m): 10:40pm On Jan 26, 2024
TotoNaRubber:
Nice coupon but do you know that the capital of this investment has been devalued by over 383% from 2020 when dollar was at N365.

If you had bought dollar with the capital and held till now, you would have been a lot better.

Your N50m @ N365/$ in 2020 = $136,900, It is now worth N50m /N1400 in 2024 = $35,714.


You lost over $100,000 in 4 years and counting cry

So we should convert all our monies to dollars?

Same reason the dollar is feeling fly.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by RayRay06677(m): 10:41pm On Jan 26, 2024
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Tranquility2345: 12:38am On Jan 27, 2024
RayRay06677:
So we should convert all our monies to dollars?

Same reason the dollar is feeling fly.
Na fact the guy talk. But at the end of the day, make all man do as him mind tell am…
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by skydiver01:
I am quite aware of the Naira's devaluation over 4 years. I am unaffected by it because of my dollar investments as far back as 15 years ago. The FGN bond coupons more than meets my annual expenses in Nigeria and that is super fine with me. Its called diversification. I have a well balanced diversified portfolio that includes FX investments that also pays both coupons and dividends in FX. Don't bother yourself about my FGN bond holdings. My FX investments has covered many times over the devaluation of my FGN Naira bonds you refer to. I am fine because of the benefits of having a diversified portfolio wink grin
TotoNaRubber:
Nice coupon but do you know that the capital of this investment has been devalued by over 383% from 2020 when dollar was at N365.

If you had bought dollar with the capital and held till now, you would have been a lot better.

Your N50m @ N365/$ in 2020 = $136,900, It is now worth N50m /N1400 in 2024 = $35,714.

You lost over $100,000 in 4 years and counting cry

Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Zagee: 11:00am On Jan 27, 2024
TotoNaRubber:
Nice coupon but do you know that the capital of this investment has been devalued by over 383% from 2020 when dollar was at N365.

If you had bought dollar with the capital and held till now, you would have been a lot better.

Your N50m @ N365/$ in 2020 = $136,900, It is now worth N50m /N1400 in 2024 = $35,714.

You lost over $100,000 in 4 years and counting cry

"My hypothetical 50m" is worth minimum 500m today since 2020. I gained N450m today and counting.
grin
End this dollar/naira battle
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Tranquility2345: 1:09pm On Jan 27, 2024
skydiver01:
I am quite aware of the Naira's devaluation over 4 years. I am unaffected by it because of my dollar investments as far back as 15 years ago. The FGN bond coupons more than meets my annual expenses in Nigeria and that is super fine with me. Its called diversification. I have a well balanced diversified portfolio that includes FX investments that also pays both coupons and dividends in FX. Don't bother yourself about my FGN bond holdings. My FX investments has covered many times over the devaluation of my FGN Naira bonds you refer to. I am fine because of the benefits of having a diversified portfolio wink grin
I understand how you feel. It happens to all of us (including me). Nobody ever wants to admit he or she made a stupid investment decision, especially relating to Naira. There is no way one is better off holding naira long term. No way at all.

The key problem is that it’s never easy to bite the bullet because we always think it’s not a good time to change. Optimists say Naira can rise anytime, can’t you see Dangote refinery is finished?. Then we keep waiting and waiting and waiting while the naira keeps falling and falling and falling until it got to 1400 😔😢
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by seyisanya(m):
RayRay06677:
So we should convert all our monies to dollars?

Same reason the dollar is feeling fly.
Here comes the classic! Another one is all my expenses are in naira so I have no business with dollars.

Well, fast forward to 2024, most people that I know on/from this platform now have some sort of dollar-denominated investments after lambasting those who took a similar route when USD was between N250 - N450.

Last-last, everyone should do what works for them. However, in all diversifications, consider your current age and circumstance!
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by skydiver01: 2:02pm On Jan 27, 2024
I am unperturbed. I made the FGN Naira bond investments with the sole objective of the coupons meeting my expenses in Nigeria which continues to hold true today even while the Naira has continued to fall. This is the reason I also made majority of my portfolio in FX investments. My two kids are out of university and in gainful employment. I have no rent to pay in Nigeria because my properties are fully paid for and I am paid rent on one of them. I will give you a simple example (though I have many) of why I am unperturbed. I live a simple life though I do enjoy myself with friends. However, in the last 10 years I have been unable to spend more than N6m a year on expenses. So, even if the Naira falls to N5,000 to the US Dollar, it simply cannot bother me in the least. This is why it is important to have a diversified portfolio. It is meant to balance out risks and continue to grow. I assure you I made a good investment in the FGN Naira bonds because it met and continues to meet my needs and objectives. My Naira investments were never based on an expectation of the Naira appreciating and I am not also interested in converting any of my FX investment's coupons and dividends into Naira - those are for my expenses when I am not in the country holidaying. I hope the above helps put into perspective your assumption of how I feel wink

Tranquility2345:
I understand how you feel. It happens to all of us (including me). Nobody ever wants to admit he or she made a stupid investment decision, especially relating to Naira. There is no way one is better off holding naira long term. No way at all.

The key problem is that it’s never easy to bite the bullet because we always think it’s not a good time to change. Optimists say Naira can rise anytime, can’t you see Dangote refinery is finished?. Then we keep waiting and waiting and waiting while the naira keeps falling and falling and falling until it got to 1400 😔😢
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Tranquility2345: 2:17pm On Jan 27, 2024
skydiver01:
I am unperturbed. I made the FGN Naira bond investments with the sole objective of the coupons meeting my expenses in Nigeria which continues to hold true today even while the Naira has continued to fall. This is the reason I also made majority of my portfolio in FX investments. My two kids are out of university and in gainful employment. I have no rent to pay in Nigeria because my properties are fully paid for and I am paid rent on one of them. I will give you a simple example (though I have many) of why I am unperturbed. I live a simple life though I do enjoy myself with friends. However, in the last 10 years I have been unable to spend more than N6m a year on expenses. So, even if the Naira falls to N5,000 to the US Dollar, it simply cannot bother me in the least. This is why it is important to have a diversified portfolio. It is meant to balance out risks and continue to grow. I assure you I made a good investment in the FGN Naira bonds because it met and continues to meet my needs and objectives. My Naira investments were never based on an expectation of the Naira appreciating and I am not also interested in converting any of my FX investment's coupons and dividends into Naira - those are for my expenses when I am not in the country holidaying. I hope the above helps put into perspective your assumption of how I feel wink
Your kids are out of school and employed? 😳
Never knew you were that old o. Abeg if you don’t mind me asking? Please are you bald? 😁
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Zagee: 3:47pm On Jan 27, 2024
TotoNaRubber:
Nice coupon but do you know that the capital of this investment has been devalued by over 383% from 2020 when dollar was at N365.

If you had bought dollar with the capital and held till now, you would have been a lot better.

Your N50m @ N365/$ in 2020 = $136,900, It is now worth N50m /N1400 in 2024 = $35,714.

You lost over $100,000 in 4 years and counting cry

Zagee:
"My hypothetical 50m" is worth minimum 500m today since 2020. I gained N450m today and counting.
grin
End this dollar/naira battle
My argument was for "holding the naira oh!!"
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by skydiver01: 4:23pm On Jan 27, 2024
Yes, I am. No I am not bald but have some grey hairs on my head. wink
Tranquility2345:
Your kids are out of school and employed? 😳
Never knew you were that old o. Abeg if you don’t mind me asking? Please are you bald? 😁
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by TotoNaRubber: 5:29pm On Jan 27, 2024
Well as you can't win it all. With knowledge on your side, you were able to diversify.

Now, imagine how over 200 million Nigerians without this knowledge and spare cash to buy dollar have been thrown into extreme misfortune.

Most of the rich knew about this and they multiplied their worth easily. So long as you live in Nigeria whether you earn in Pounds or Malaysian ringgit the devaluation affects you but then the worst set of people are thecones who have only Naira as currency.


skydiver01:
I am quite aware of the Naira's devaluation over 4 years. I am unaffected by it because of my dollar investments as far back as 15 years ago. The FGN bond coupons more than meets my annual expenses in Nigeria and that is super fine with me. Its called diversification. I have a well balanced diversified portfolio that includes FX investments that also pays both coupons and dividends in FX. Don't bother yourself about my FGN bond holdings. My FX investments has covered many times over the devaluation of my FGN Naira bonds you refer to. I am fine because of the benefits of having a diversified portfolio wink grin
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