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SharingIsLife:
One thing I admire about most atheists like Botragelad is their absolute sincerity and open-mindedness. They are willing to listen to reason, and even God is quoted in the Bible as saying, "come let's reason together" (Isaiah 1:18). So, I urge religious people like Jesusjnr2020 not to become defensive against their offensive. Instead, depending on the Holy Spirit, take time out of Christian love to explain to them.

I see that sincerity in him and so here I am to reason with him. So, this is my response to you Botragelad...

When you cite snippets of history featuring the likes of Galileo, you are actually referring to the fallibility of religion. There is a clear difference between religion and God.

If you had said you don't believe in religion, I would have had little issues with you. But to say you don't believe in God because of those reasons you gave up there

When I read the following from you, I was forced to ask you what you understand by the word "God":



By the word "God", I simply understand the Creator of this Universe you and I are a part of - just like Zuckerberg is the creator of Facebook (though in a far lesser sense). So, how can you say there is no convincing evidence for the existence of God when everything actually proves his existence, including yourself and your brain that you're using to write this up there? Otherwise, tell me how your brain and yourself could have been a product of chance event.

Yes, I agree with your assertion that our beliefs should not be based on fear like many people who claim to be Christians do. Even the Bible itself says it again and again, "fear not" and that "the just shall live by faith" - not by fear. So, just like you, I don't agree with Christians who try to appeal to death as our reasons to believe in God because that actually contradicts the viewpoint of the Bible.

What I preach is that you look at the world and know that the world, beyond all doubts, is a product of a Real Conscious (or Superconscious) Being. This is absolutely undeniable. I don't see how you can deny this without being foolish.

As the Bible itself says, "the fool says in his heart that there is no God" (Psalm 53:1). Another scripture says, "you fools, why do you think that He who made the ear cannot hear or that He who made the eye cannot see?" (Psalm 94:8-9).

In line with that scripture above, I can equally ask you, "how can you have this powerful brain and you think that there's no Being who is responsible for its existence? And if you agree that there is such a Being, why would you think that such a Being would be incapable of thinking or reasoning or consciousness?"

If you have any objection to the existence of such a Being as I just described above, you let me know. But if you don't have any objection to it, it means that you have agreed that there is God because God is no other than the Creator of the world. I just described God in absolute existence and YOU are one undeniable evidence of His existence.

In your presentation there is a place where you said that atheists are "open to changing their minds if new (convincing) evidence or arguments are presented". So I ask, has my evidence or argument convinced you? If not, let me know how or why. Thank you.

Cc: Erad

There are so many possibilities as to how the universe came about. And presently, in the scientific community, nobody knows for sure how it happened and presently, all science have are possible explanations because science is being honest. You need to understand the difference between empirical evidence and hypothesis.

Your claim that an intelligent designer created the universe due to it's complexities is a valid claim, but it is a mere hypothesis (a possible explanation) not an empirical evidence (proof that can be reproduced, repeated and verified by whoever desires).

You believe with certainty that God exist and he created the universe not because of any empirical evidence but because you have been spoon fed and indoctrinated from birth to believe so.

LordReed:
Why would that be the case? Why can't living people have the same certainty?

*Politeness*
Because what you think is death could be hallucination induced by extreme trauma. Scientists have been able to replicate some of these conditions by tampering with the brain. People also do have out-of-body experiences while no where near death. Bottom line: the ONLY proof that someone was really dead is that they never came back!

SharingIsLife:
One thing I admire about most atheists like Botragelad is their absolute sincerity and open-mindedness. They are willing to listen to reason, and even God is quoted in the Bible as saying, "come let's reason together" (Isaiah 1:18). So, I urge religious people like Jesusjnr2020 not to become defensive against their offensive. Instead, depending on the Holy Spirit, take time out of Christian love to explain to them.

Trying to patronise the atheists by flattery and condemnation of my approach is not going to achieve any tangible result. Trust me, you're speaking of someone with a proven track record of being able to convince or dumbfound atheists here by the Power of God's Spirit, so please it's better you just share whatever you have without having to thrash the efforts of those who know and have achieved much better in this area.

Elemosho478:
The same bullshits argument as usual.

*Politeness*
Pertaining your quote, the universe is within creation, wuthin our limited knowledge (within what we can comprehend). And we know it can't exist without a creator. God on the other hand, is outside creation, outside what we can comprehend.

osmosis101:
People love to learn in hard ways

Learn what exactly? That Christians in fact see the God of Israel and His Son Jesus Christ as mere liars and jokes?.

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
Pertaining your quote, the universe is within creation, wuthin our limited knowledge (within what we can comprehend). And we know it can't exist without a creator. God on the other hand, is outside creation, outside what we can comprehend.

Where is the evidence that the universe was created by someone ?

If you say it can not just exist because of a process that was triggered then you must provide sufficient evidence to back up your claim that someone created it.

It is just like a human, we know a human can't exist without certain processes like a woman getting pregnant, giving birth after 9 months etc that's the best evidence and processes we have of a human creation but it is like some people ignoring all those processes and saying the human was created from scratch by a supreme being somewhere without any evidence but just some books written by some delusional people and concocted somewhere.

We can't take your delusions and hallucinations over what we witnessed, observed and experienced you must provide logical evidence of that supreme existence creating human from nothing,
why is he so afraid of showing himself if he really is so powerful ?

Elemosho478:
Where is the evidence that the universe was created by someone ?

If you say it can not just exist because of a process that was triggered then you must provide sufficient evidence to back up your claim that someone created it.

It is just like a human, we know a human can't exist without certain processes like a woman getting pregnant, giving birth after 9 months etc that's the best evidence and processes we have of a human creation but it is like some people ignoring all those processes and saying the human was created from scratch by a supreme being somewhere without any evidence but just some books written by some delusional people and concocted somewhere.

We can't take your delusions and hallucinations over what we witnessed, observed and experienced you must provide logical evidence of that supreme existence creating human from nothing,
why is he so afraid of showing himself if he really is so powerful ?

The evidence is everywhere. Do you know there is a speed limit in the uninverse? Nothing can go faster than the speed of light no matter how much force you apply - exactly what you'd expect in a computer simulation - nothing can go faster than the speed of the processor. Do you also know that mathematics mirrors the laws of the universe? That mathematical equations have been used to predict what's going on in the universe, and it was later observed to be exactly so in real-life. Then look around you - can't you see that all this couldn't have been happenstance, that it was deliberately set up this way. Cut out fat, sugar, salt, and you’ll have a long, healthy life. Yet those are the things that make things taste good. Anything that really tastes good or enjoyable is either bad for you or it is addictive! There is punishment for every enjoyment, and reward for every suffering. Then fractals. Google it. Even the atom is a replica of the universe. And so forth.
As for showing "himself", it's like twins in the womb, one asking the other "if mother exists why can't she show herself?". Something beyond your comprehension!

PoliteActivist:
The evidence is everywhere. Do you know there is a speed limit in the uninverse? Nothing can go faster than the speed of light no matter how much force you apply - exactly what you'd expect in a computer simulation - nothing can go faster than the speed of the processor. Do you also know that mathematics mirrors the laws of the universe? That mathematical equations have been used to predict what's going on in the universe, and it was later observed to be exactly so in real-life. Then look around you - can't you see that all this couldn't have been happenstance, that it was deliberately set up this way. Cut out fat, sugar, salt, and you’ll have a long, healthy life. Yet those are the things that make things taste good. Anything that really tastes good or enjoyable is either bad for you or it is addictive! There is punishment for every enjoyment, and reward for every suffering. Then fractals. Google it. Even the atom is a replica of the universe. And so forth.
As for showing "himself", it's like twins in the womb, one asking the other "if mother exists why can't she show herself?". Something beyond your comprehension!

What a load of bollock lol

no baby can talk or think in the womb, babies are not conscious if you really think otherwise then i doubt if you are even intelligent or can think critically.

Who told you there's a speed limit in the universe ? Just because we haven't discover a way to be faster than light yet doesn't mean there's a speed limit in the universe and have you been to other places in the universe to be so sure and that we are the only one in the universe ? there was a time when human couldn't move faster than a horse now we have aircrafts, super cars and can even exceed the speed of sound and so many technologies.

Look at you speaking so enthusiastically about the universe, there was a time we thought there wasn't a thing like that. There was a time when we thought there was nothing beyond the sky and the sky was the limit until we discovered space and the solar system and then the universe.

If you can't comprehend it then it must be because a supreme existence make it that away jumping to conclusion typically like someone that can't think critically, if everyone in the world think like you we would still be living in caves and shits without any advancement in all aspects of life.

There's nothing logical in your write up, all hogwash, make up beliefs and self masturbation.

Science requires proof, religious belief requires faith. Scientists don't try to prove or disprove God's existence because they know there isn't an experiment that can ever detect God.

SharingIsLife:
One thing I admire about most atheists like Botragelad is their absolute sincerity and open-mindedness. They are willing to listen to reason, and even God is quoted in the Bible as saying, "come let's reason together" (Isaiah 1:18). So, I urge religious people like Jesusjnr2020 not to become defensive against their offensive. Instead, depending on the Holy Spirit, take time out of Christian love to explain to them.

I see that sincerity in him and so here I am to reason with him. So, this is my response to you Botragelad...

When you cite snippets of history featuring the likes of Galileo, you are actually referring to the fallibility of religion. There is a clear difference between religion and God.

If you had said you don't believe in religion, I would have had little issues with you. But to say you don't believe in God because of those reasons you gave up there

When I read the following from you, I was forced to ask you what you understand by the word "God":



By the word "God", I simply understand the Creator of this Universe you and I are a part of - just like Zuckerberg is the creator of Facebook (though in a far lesser sense). So, how can you say there is no convincing evidence for the existence of God when everything actually proves his existence, including yourself and your brain that you're using to write this up there? Otherwise, tell me how your brain and yourself could have been a product of chance event.

Yes, I agree with your assertion that our beliefs should not be based on fear like many people who claim to be Christians do. Even the Bible itself says it again and again, "fear not" and that "the just shall live by faith" - not by fear. So, just like you, I don't agree with Christians who try to appeal to death as our reasons to believe in God because that actually contradicts the viewpoint of the Bible.

What I preach is that you look at the world and know that the world, beyond all doubts, is a product of a Real Conscious (or Superconscious) Being. This is absolutely undeniable. I don't see how you can deny this without being foolish.

As the Bible itself says, "the fool says in his heart that there is no God" (Psalm 53:1). Another scripture says, "you fools, why do you think that He who made the ear cannot hear or that He who made the eye cannot see?" (Psalm 94:8-9).

In line with that scripture above, I can equally ask you, "how can you have this powerful brain and you think that there's no Being who is responsible for its existence? And if you agree that there is such a Being, why would you think that such a Being would be incapable of thinking or reasoning or consciousness?"

If you have any objection to the existence of such a Being as I just described above, you let me know. But if you don't have any objection to it, it means that you have agreed that there is God because God is no other than the Creator of the world. I just described God in absolute existence and YOU are one undeniable evidence of His existence.

In your presentation there is a place where you said that atheists are "open to changing their minds if new (convincing) evidence or arguments are presented". So I ask, has my evidence or argument convinced you? If not, let me know how or why. Thank you.

Cc: Erad

My responses

You started out by saying as follows:

So, I was reading hoping to see your refutation but, honestly, I hardly found any. But in case you presume you refuted me successfully, let me respond to you point by point below:

1. You wrote the following...



"There is no evidence that God exists outside of human thought, and there is no reason to think that he does" you wrote. Now, this reminds me of the question I posed up there that you are yet to answer: What does the word "God" mean to you? In line with that, I also ask, what constitutes a valid evidence to you? You know, because "God" and "evidence" are the two words you seem to be using most frequently. So, to have a meaningful discussion, we must explain these two words together.

I have defined God as the Creator of everything in the universe, with YOU, including your brain, eyes, ears, hands, etc as empirical here-and-now samples of His Creation. Yet you said that "there is no evidence that God exists outside of human thought, and there is no reason to think that he does", when I presented YOU chatting with me as a concrete evidence outside human thoughts, a real creature created by this God we are talking about.

So, what is your own definition of God? Note that when you said that God is "a product of human imagination and culture, not a reality that exists independently of human minds" up there, that is not a definition yet. Or, is it?

2. About My Bible Citation

You wrote:



Honestly, it is very laughable that you who want us to take the path of science is making so many unfounded allegations here. For example, when did I mention to you that I'm quoting the Bible because it is an authority? Rather, I only quoted it as you would quote any other source to support what you already said.

For instance, it is logic when I quoted the scripture that who or whatever made your eye also has an ability akin to seeing or he couldn't be able to make your eye (Psalm 94:8,9). As a Latin adage said, "you can't give what you don't have".

So, try refuting the point rather than just castigating the Bible probably because you've heard someone else do the same. I could have quoted you or Plato, or anyone else or, as I've just done above👆, a Latin adage. But that doesn't mean I am claiming these sources are absolute authorities. Rather, I'm only saying that they support what I'm already saying. Or, are you saying we shouldn't be quoting sources anymore? In any case, from now, as much as possible, I'm not going to quote Bible sources to you.

3. Everything Proves The Existence Of God

You wrote:



Here, I think it would have been fairer for you to take a cue from the example I used myself instead of using painting and a painter. Saying that you are a proof that God exists is like saying that Facebook is a proof that someone (Zuckerberg) created it. And saying that God does not exist when you yourself exist, is as stupid as saying that Facebook could have created itself or created by chance. Just like what you went ahead to write...



I am saying that "God" is the name I give to whoever or whatever caused them to exist. What do you have to say to this?

4. Your Frequent Use Of The Slang 'Lol'

You concluded your response by writing has follows...



I have chosen to respond to you only because I believe you're sincere. Otherwise, my time is too precious to be wasted on charlatans who are just out to trash-talk. Your frequent use of the word 'lol' seems to suggest that you might belong among such charlatans. First, it indicates that you presume you are right and no one else can be right other than you. Again, it shows that you are not serious about what you are saying.

So, if you are serious, respond to me point by point as I have responded to you, addressing the issues I've raised one after the other especially if you don't agree with them. But if you keep showing that you are not serious then, don't expect any further response from me.

There are other things you said up there. But my responses to them will depend on the responses you give to the points I've raised now. Thank you.

Kindly respond to me in a proper manner. I don't get your mention. Why's that?

I always need to revisit this thread. Is there a way you could quote me in a proper manner without those green stuff you put in there. Lol
My bad. Maybe I'm too old for this app! Haha

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
Because what you think is death could be hallucination induced by extreme trauma. Scientists have been able to replicate some of these conditions by tampering with the brain. People also do have out-of-body experiences while no where near death. Bottom line: the ONLY proof that someone was really dead is that they never came back!

So? Why then conclude there is a god, what is the correlation between death and a god?

PoliteActivist:
The evidence is everywhere. Do you know there is a speed limit in the uninverse? Nothing can go faster than the speed of light no matter how much force you apply - exactly what you'd expect in a computer simulation - nothing can go faster than the speed of the processor. Do you also know that mathematics mirrors the laws of the universe? That mathematical equations have been used to predict what's going on in the universe, and it was later observed to be exactly so in real-life. Then look around you - can't you see that all this couldn't have been happenstance, that it was deliberately set up this way. Cut out fat, sugar, salt, and you’ll have a long, healthy life. Yet those are the things that make things taste good. Anything that really tastes good or enjoyable is either bad for you or it is addictive! There is punishment for every enjoyment, and reward for every suffering. Then fractals. Google it. Even the atom is a replica of the universe. And so forth.
As for showing "himself", it's like twins in the womb, one asking the other "if mother exists why can't she show herself?". Something beyond your comprehension!

Can you explain how if there were no god there'd be no speed limit in the universe.

SharingIsLife:
One thing I admire about most atheists like Botragelad is their absolute sincerity and open-mindedness. They are willing to listen to reason, and even God is quoted in the Bible as saying, "come let's reason together" (Isaiah 1:18). So, I urge religious people like Jesusjnr2020 not to become defensive against their offensive. Instead, depending on the Holy Spirit, take time out of Christian love to explain to them.


4. Your Frequent Use Of The Slang 'Lol'

You concluded your response by writing has follows...



I have chosen to respond to you only because I believe you're sincere. Otherwise, my time is too precious to be wasted on charlatans who are just out to trash-talk. Your frequent use of the word 'lol' seems to suggest that you might belong among such charlatans. First, it indicates that you presume you are right and no one else can be right other than you. Again, it shows that you are not serious about what you are saying.

So, if you are serious, respond to me point by point as I have responded to you, addressing the issues I've raised one after the other especially if you don't agree with them. But if you keep showing that you are not serious then, don't expect any further response from me.

There are other things you said up there. But my responses to them will depend on the responses you give to the points I've raised now. Thank you.

See the religious hypocrite thinking he could use bringing me down as a leverage to gain some advantage in his convo with atheists. Now you've started calling them charlatans out of love and inspiration of the "Holy Spirit", right? You guys are so shameless. Thank God for exposing your hypocrisy though. Next time you won't try using me to chase clout but focus on your own argument to see if you really had anything better to offer.

Una dey find evidence to believe God truly exist, as per una mate or una fellow mortal being? Humans will always be foolish in their foolishness. That's why they are foolishly exploring other planets to look for their foolishness. Wereys that cant look at the sun na God wey bright pass sun una wan see omo ! any atheist that dies he will beg for 2seconds to correct many things on earth but he go don late. And the funniest part is that even if we die we cant see God except you're a saint without sin, yes.

jesusjnr2020:
Wait for them to come and claim that all of these weren't real atheists as the poster above.

Can you name the 'great scientist' that was a Christian?
Also are you aware Buddhists, Muslims etc have NDEs like the 'atheist' you mentioned? So who do we believe since they talked about different gods(based on their location and religion). So which god is real and others fake?

libertyfather:
God dey ooooo, I can't proof it but I knw it

We don't work with gut feelings. Science does not operate based on 'i feel it in my spirit'. Its facts

jesusjnr2020:
That makes sense.

By the way, I don't have to like my own posts as some atheists often do to fake the impression of superior argument. So do not be deceived by the many likes their post often receive. It doesn't mean what they say is more sensible, logical or the truth, but their desperation to give that impression. Check the screenshot below to understand better, because the post in it belongs to a popular and active atheist whose three other monikers are also in view, and suddenly his post had received 3 likes. I'm not that desperate to give the false impression of superior argument.

You just don't make sense. Christians like their own posts. Same as atheists. So what's your point?

Botragelad:
Dude make sense. I was expecting you to quote me and counter my point with something reasonable. Lol

Lol. You go wait tire. Jesusjnr is a known troll. He isn't smart

jaephoenix:
You just don't make sense. Christians like their own posts. Same as atheists. So what's your point?

You must have been blind to the provided screenshot which exposed the height of desperation from atheists to suggest superior argument, so here is it again. Now look at it carefully so you could make sense the next time you quote me.

jaephoenix:
Lol. You go wait tire. Jesusjnr is a known troll. He isn't smart

No surprises coming from the same one blindly arguing about heterosexuals being more prone to HIV and consequent death than homosexuals. It takes smartness to be able to do that.

jaephoenix:
Lol. You go wait tire. Jesusjnr is a known troll. He isn't smart

That's shows NL atheists are even worse, because they're having phobia because of someone who is not smart, they opened a thread about him, gloating about what he said in 2019. He's not smart, yet atheism in NL has been on a free fall since he became active in this section. Yet he's not smart at all that's why it worries them so much.

Elemosho478:
What a load of bollock lol

no baby can talk or think in the womb, babies are not conscious if you really think otherwise then i doubt if you are even intelligent or can think critically.

Who told you there's a speed limit in the universe ? Just because we haven't discover a way to be faster than light yet doesn't mean there's a speed limit in the universe and have you been to other places in the universe to be so sure and that we are the only one in the universe ? there was a time when human couldn't move faster than a horse now we have aircrafts, super cars and can even exceed the speed of sound and so many technologies.

Look at you speaking so enthusiastically about the universe, there was a time we thought there wasn't a thing like that. There was a time when we thought there was nothing beyond the sky and the sky was the limit until we discovered space and the solar system and then the universe.

If you can't comprehend it then it must be because a supreme existence make it that away jumping to conclusion typically like someone that can't think critically, if everyone in the world think like you we would still be living in caves and shits without any advancement in all aspects of life.

There's nothing logical in your write up, all hogwash, make up beliefs and self masturbation.

Science requires proof, religious belief requires faith. Scientists don't try to prove or disprove God's existence because they know there isn't an experiment that can ever detect God.

*Politeness*
Kindly, I think this type of discussion is a bit above you. If you don't even know what an anology is how can we have a discussion? Twins inside a womb is an analogy. God's nature is outside our compression! Another anology - someone inside a a computer game saying "if there really is a programmer why can't he show himself?"
About speed of light, according to logic of our universe, as long as you keep applying force/energy something will keep speeding up indefinitely - it should not be impossible to exceed any speed - that only happens in things like computer programs because the processor has a speed limit and nothing in the program can exceed that speed. It is sign of a controlling existence outside the construct!
But really, how can you look around you and think all this is by happenstance??!!
As to proof, there is no final proof of anything in our existence including if we exist at all as we perceive! Besides, I'm the one who said you can only say you don't know, not that God definitely does not exist!
As to your meme, as I said this discussion is probably a bit above your head - maybe you are very young or something. So you can't see air. Does it mean air does not exist??!

LordReed:
Can you explain how if there were no god there'd be no speed limit in the universe.

*Politeness*
Well, according to logic of our universe, as long as you keep applying force/energy something will keep speeding up indefinitely - it should not be impossible to exceed any speed - that only happens in constructs like computer programs and such, because the processor has a speed limit and nothing in the program can exceed that speed. It is a sign that something was made, that there is something going on, that there is a controlling existence outside the construct!

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
Well, according to logic of our universe, as long as you keep applying force/energy something will keep speeding up indefinitely - it should not be impossible to exceed any speed - that only happens in constructs like computer programs and such, because the processor has a speed limit and nothing in the program can exceed that speed. It is a sign that something was made, that there is something going on, that there is a controlling existence outside the construct!

You didn't answer my question. Let me rephrase: Why do you think it there needs to be a god for this limit to exit? Can you show that without a god the limit would not exist?

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
Kindly, I think this type of discussion is a bit above you. If you don't even know what an anology is how can we have a discussion? Twins inside a womb is an analogy. God's nature is outside our compression! Another anology - someone inside a a computer game saying "if there really is a programmer why can't he show himself?"
About speed of light, according to logic of our universe, as long as you keep applying force/energy something will keep speeding up indefinitely - it should not be impossible to exceed any speed - that only happens in things like computer programs because the processor has a speed limit and nothing in the program can exceed that speed. It is sign of a controlling existence outside the construct!
But really, how can you look around you and think all this is by happenstance??!!
As to proof, there is no final proof of anything in our existence including if we exist at all as we perceive! Besides, I'm the one who said you can only say you don't know, not that God definitely does not exist!
As to your meme, as I said this discussion is probably a bit above your head - maybe you are very young or something. So you can't see air. Does it mean air does not exist??!

The irony is you are the one that the discussion is above his head, all your analogies is fallacious without any logic and you are just forcing it.

You know a thing or two about science and you think you are a science professor or something that know it all.

It is currently impossible to achieve the speed of light because it will require a lot of energy that we currently can't provide and even if we can provide the energy, we currently don't have anything that can withstand the energy without crumbling and vanishing out of existence.

Your baby in the womb analogy is also fallacious because a baby in the womb have no conscious or know what is going on in the womb to the extent of thinking and asking questions, if the world is like a womb then we shouldn't be conscious, thinking or asking questions just like a baby until we get outside, you can't just pick part of the process that suit you and expect people to agree with your bullshits without any logic. The mother is not the creator or God of the baby, how the baby develops till birth is outside the mother's control, the mother just triggered some process that created the baby and have no control or power over the process, the mother is totally different from the description of your God that is all powerful and supreme that have control over everything. Your analogy is fallacious, the logic doesn't fit and you are just forcing it.

Your second analogy of computer program is also another bollock, no computer program is capable of awareness or self consciousness, computer program only follow what the programmer programmed it to do and so using that analogy means humans and the world are like computer programs and all our thoughts and actions is not in our control and everything that happen on earth is exactly how God the Programmer programmed it to happen, all the sufferings on earth is because God programmed it that way and there shouldn't be something like sin against or even offending God because we are not in control of our thoughts and actions and everything is exactly how God Programmed us to be.

Your analogy of computer program also mean humans are also not self conscious or capable of really thinking on our own all our thoughts and actions is exactly what the God the programmer programmed even our argument on Nairaland is also part of the program, you can't just pick a part that suit you, you must apply the logic to everything.

We can't see Oxygen or air but there is so many evidence Oxygen exist because we can't breathe or even survive without oxygen, we can't see it but we can feel it and even use it and control it. Can we feel your God? breathe your God? or where is the evidence that your God exist just like air or Oxygen ?

As to my meme there was nothing insulting in the meme, you are the kid here for having problems with an harmless meme if you think what the meme says is not sensible then counter it with your own fact and argument whining about it make you the kid here.

LordReed:
You didn't answer my question. Let me rephrase: Why do you think it there needs to be a god for this limit to exit? Can you show that without a god the limit would not exist?

There is so many reasons why it is currently impossible to achieve the speed of light.

Number 1 we can't provide the energy, Number 2 there is nothing on earth that can withstand the force or energy without crumbling and vanishing out of existence.


He know a thing or two about science and think he is Albert Einstein, look at him saying it with confidence that it shouldn't be impossible as if he is already experimented with it lol

Elemosho478:
There is so many reasons why it is currently impossible to achieve the speed of light.

Number 1 we can't provide the energy, Number 2 there is nothing on earth that can withstand the force or energy without crumbling and vanishing out of existence.


He know a thing or two about science and think he is Albert Einstein, look at him saying it with confidence that it shouldn't be impossible as if he is already experimented with it lol

May be he can explain why his god needed to institute this limit, I mean the god is susposedly almighty so why limit it why not showcase the god powers by allowing unlimited acceleration.

It just occurred to me PoliteActivist, is this limit an indication of your god's power limit or is this another jealousy type thing a la tower of babel, let them not reach the sky deal?

Edybleketara:
There are so many possibilities as to how the universe came about. And presently, in the scientific community, nobody knows for sure how it happened and presently, all science have are possible explanations because science is being honest. You need to understand the difference between empirical evidence and hypothesis.

Your claim that an intelligent designer created the universe due to it's complexities is a valid claim, but it is a mere hypothesis (a possible explanation) not an empirical evidence (proof that can be reproduced, repeated and verified by whoever desires).

You believe with certainty that God exist and he created the universe not because of any empirical evidence but because you have been spoon fed and indoctrinated from birth to believe so.

If they claimed the world is like a computer program, can a computer program be capable of self awareness and consciousness and do something the programmer didn't program it or allowed it to do. According to their own logic it mean God is responsible for all suffering and tragedy on earth because the world is his program and design and there shouldn't be something like sins against God because there's no way we can act in a way that God don't like if God the programmer didn't program us that way, even denying God existence is part of the program and we shouldn't be capable of doing something like that unless God programmed us that way. So what are they mad about atheists for or what is all the noise about committing sins against God is exactly ? the world is like a computer program nothing should be possible in it unless God the programmer programmed us that way according to that logic.

Elemosho478:
The irony is you are the one that the discussion is above his head, all your analogies is fallacious without any logic and you are just forcing it.

You know a thing or two about science and you think you are a science professor or something that know it all.

It is currently impossible to achieve the speed of light because it will require a lot of energy that we currently can't provide and even if we can provide the energy, we currently don't have anything that can withstand the energy without crumbling and vanishing out of existence.

Your baby in the womb analogy is also fallacious because a baby in the womb have no conscious or know what is going on in the womb to the extent of thinking and asking questions, if the world is like a womb then we shouldn't be conscious, thinking or asking questions just like a baby until we get outside, you can't just pick part of the process that suit you and expect people to agree with your bullshits without any logic. The mother is not the creator or God of the baby, how the baby develops till birth is outside the mother's control, the mother just triggered some process that created the baby and have no control or power over the process, the mother is totally different from the description of your God that is all powerful and supreme that have control over everything. Your analogy is fallacious, the logic doesn't fit and you are just forcing it.

Your second analogy of computer program is also another bollock, no computer program is capable of awareness or self consciousness, computer program only follow what the programmer programmed it to do and so using that analogy means humans and the world are like computer programs and all our thoughts and actions is not in our control and everything that happen on earth is exactly how God the Programmer programmed it to happen, all the sufferings on earth is because God programmed it that way and there shouldn't be something like sin against or even offending God because we are not in control of our thoughts and actions and everything is exactly how God Programmed us to be.

Your analogy of computer program also mean humans are also not self conscious or capable of really thinking on our own all our thoughts and actions is exactly what the God the programmer programmed even our argument on Nairaland is also part of the program, you can't just pick a part that suit you, you must apply the logic to everything.

We can't see Oxygen or air but there is so many evidence Oxygen exist because we can't breathe or even survive without oxygen, we can't see it but we can feel it and even use it and control it. Can we feel your God? breathe your God? or where is the evidence that your God exist just like air or Oxygen ?

As to my meme there was nothing insulting in the meme, you are the kid here for having problems with an harmless meme if you think what the meme says is not sensible then counter it with your own fact and argument whining about it make you the kid here.

*Politeness*
Kindly, I honestly don't have time for childish discussion. Once again, the twin is just an ANOLOGY! We all know babies in the womb can't talk. Geez! It is like someone says a fish saying he doesn't believe water exists. And your response is "fish can't talk". So childish!
Those and the computer anology simply demonstrate why it would be impossible for God to appear as you requested - his nature could be any of those or many others - simply beyond our purview.
About the speed of light thing, you don’t understand: light on a speeding train has exactly same speed as light on the ground, when logically light on a train should have speed of light plus speed of the train!
Just as oxygen, there is so much evidence that this our reality was set up.
Like I said I don't have time, watch some of these videos below. These people are far beyond the rest of humanity in AI and quantum computing. Elon Musk, a genius who owns xAI and is the richest in the world, is in the vanguard of this topic. Learn from their insights

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
Kindly, I honestly don't have time for childish discussion. Once again, the twin is just an ANOLOGY! We all know babies in the womb can't talk. Geez! It is like someone says a fish saying he doesn't believe water exists. And your response is "fish can't talk". So childish!
Those and the computer anology simply demonstrate why it would be impossible for God to appear as you requested - his nature could be any of those or many others - simply beyond our purview.
The speed of light thing, you don’t understand: light on a speeding train has exactly same speed as light on the ground, when logically light on a train should have speed of light plus speed of the train!
Just as oxygen, there is so much evidence that this was set up.
Like I said I don't have time, watch some of these videos below. These people are far beyond the rest of humanity in AI and quantum computing. Elon Musk, a genius who owns xAI and is the richest in the world, is in the vanguard of this topic. Learn from their insights

So you don't see the "Likely" in those video? which mean it is just his belief without any evidence to back it up but you were saying the world is like a computer program as if you have tangible evidence.

You are the kid here, can't put up a decent argument so you started throwing tantrums.

So how are your wrong analogies that doesn't fit suppose to proof the evidence of God existence ?

You keep saying it is just an analogy, if you want to use an analogy you must use the right analogy and the logic and rules must match to really make a convincing argument.

You really expect people to take your illogical and fallacious analogy as proof of God existence? you are all empty lol

LordReed:
You didn't answer my question. Let me rephrase: Why do you think it there needs to be a god for this limit to exit? Can you show that without a god the limit would not exist?

*Politeness*
To save time please read my post above. It is unnatural and illogical that light maintains same speed regardless of how fast the source is traveling.
That and many others point to a system that was set up, and not spontaneous. See my videos above.
Even Einstein came to the conclusion that "there is someone or something in the distance controlling everything"

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
To save time please read my post above. It is unnatural and illogical that light maintains same speed regardless of how fast the source is traveling.
That and many others point to a system that was set up, and not spontaneous. See my videos above.
Even Einstein came to the conclusion that "there is someone or something in the distance controlling everything"

It doesn't matter what light is doing or how it defeats your incredulity, you need to demonstrate that a god is responsible for the phenomenon. Yes I read your post and it still doesn't add up at all. Light has a characteristic therefore god, huh??!!

Stop misquoting people to prove a point, that is not what Einstein said. The quote is:

“I cannot seriously believe [in quantum mechanics] because the theory is incompatible with the requirement that physics should represent reality in space and time without spooky action at a distance...”

Where in that quote does someone or control occur?

Elemosho478:
So you don't see the "Likely" in those video? which mean it is just his belief without any evidence to back it up but you were saying the world is like a computer program as if you have tangible evidence.

You are the kid here, can't put up a decent argument so you started throwing tantrums.

So how are your wrong analogies that doesn't fit suppose to proof the evidence of God existence ?

You keep saying it is just an analogy, if you want to use an analogy you must use the right analogy and the logic and rules must match to really make a convincing argument.

You really expect people to take your illogical and fallacious analogy as proof of God existence? you are all empty lol

*Politeness*
Kindly, this is what I mean by childish. How can you expect anyone to say definitely we're in a simulation?!
I've already told you that everything we know
(including scientists) is on a "likely" basis. We don’t know anything definitively, including the true nature of our very existence!