IronGalaxy:
loud and arrogant.

Lionessza6:


LMFAO. When did I say that didn't happen? .

Hate that the other Africans seem to think it's better than what they had back home ,they mostly own no property and are dirt poor but they say they never want to go back to the hell holes they came from. Which speaks volumes about the level of hatred that they have experienced from their own people. My friend, no one runs towards a lion when they have a choice to run to safety.

What businesses are those ? Salons , spare-parts businesses? . Why not take their families to safety in Nigeria? . Maybe the wives and children are scared of you people . If they all feel so unsafe they would go to loving Nigeria, that's what real men do. They take a wife and build their fatherland with her not the other way round....behaving life homeless in-laws . Parasites

Lionessza6:


And this is what your own consulate and our government said :

Lionessza6:


Ofcourse there are South Africans like him, we don't distance ourselves from that like you wicked lying souls do . He is part of our story just like Mandela is . We cannot lie and say we are one way when we are a diverse society with different upbringing and aspirations . That would be lying to ourselves my nigger....
.so learn

Lawag3:


Loud yes. arrogant ? What you see as arrogance is confidence. In Nigeria you got to be loud of not people don't take you seriously. Of you not loud you'll miss opportunities. My dad told me this story of two men who got injured but needed a doctor one of them was crying loudly and screaming in pain the other was just casually calling out to the doctor. Who do you think will receive treatment first.

So what are the good things you've observed about us. There are always two sides to a coin.

Lawag3:


Nigerian leaders are not Nigerians. They are isolated group of people from Pluto. Please do show me how I tried to portray our leaders as some isolated community. Even when I blamed us the masses for voting them in, I guess you didn't see that. Yeah SA is the most visited country in sub Saharan Africa it's has world class infrastructure all these are facts. But the crimes in SA doesn't happen in your tourist resorts or your beaches. It happens in your slums ( wasn't meant as an insult) when your common people have to struggle. Population doesn't equal crime. Nigeria's population is triple that of SA but you crime rates doubles ours. Nigeria population stands at over 230million our census was supposed to hold last year it was moved to this year. And yes Nigeria is a magnet for foreign investors Ask MTN and multi choice were a huge bulk maybe even majority of their profits comes from. With all our migrations which isn't a bad thing the percentage of Nigerians in diaspora is up to ten percent they are not up to 20 million.

Foreigners treated like Demi god's ? We are hospitable sister, as long as you're not from here you be treated special until you Bleep up a certain Chinese woman had a restaurant in Lagos that only sells food to Chinese. People went there and occupied every chairs of she doesn't sell to Nigerians she won't sell to anybody else. Her shop was later locked up. West Africans in Nigeria are up to 5 million because west African countries policy of open borders we are just friendly to work with and live with.

Last year Nigeria banned the use of foreign models on any product or ads as long as you want to sell it to Nigerians. people called us racist until it was clearified that a white Nigerian while be preferred over a black Kenya.

55 % of South Africans live in poverty so your poverty stats are comparable to ours same as your national debts. You guys only survive because of your government grants and sometimes pays you for doing nothing. One reason Nigerians see you people as lazy because they don't understand what it means to be payed for doing nothing.

Crossing the Sahara into Europe? Girl this the 2010s people still do that but it's a very small not even up to 500.

And yes you'll see the improvements when we begin to vote our leaders who are from Pluto right ( since according to you I said Nigerian leaders are not Nigerian). We had stability during the time of Obasanjo and Yar adua Buhari was wasn't corrupt but he was clueless Tinubu on the other hand is corrupt but seems like he knows how to govern for now.

IronGalaxy:
Lol, I'm old enough not to know the difference between arrogance and confidence. Nigerians are Hella arrogant, it's your defining trait

Lawag3:


Wow you contradict yourself this is what you said about Nigerians (Those leaders are the average Nigerian; they were birthed by Nigerians, grew up among Nigerians, learnt their ways from other Nigerians grin. Those people are a reflection of who you are as a society grin. Those people are doing what your japaring youth would do as well if they had the opportunity; be pompous, greedy , selfish and incompetent.....that's what you are as a collective.) such double standards. From we defend our criminals to now we distance ourselves from them ? Speak straight don't say something and say another thing. There are no good Nigerians according to you we are all bad and terrible people. Don't you think it's your hate speaking? Mandela some of you love admired Nigerians. We Nigerians love South Africans a South African in Nigeria are more safe than Nigerians in Nigeria. I have a South African relative who might just be my best aunt. The hate is coming from your side of the continent why?

Lawag3:


Your consulate speaks the truth no Nigerian killed in latest attacks. Not no Nigerian has ever been killed in xenophobic attacks on Nigerians

Lawag3:

So according to some of you Nigerians are the most hated foreigners in SA and then some of your people started killing foreigners and no Nigerian life was lost? Make it make sense.
Salons and spare part business are not undignified business in Nigeria the Igbos have almost complete monopoly over spare parts business. And they are know to do business even in the middle of war zones.

It's difficult to leave a place where you've achieved some form of economic stability carrying your family along while keeping in mind that that family is from the place you intend to leave and starting all over in another country. Nigerians are risk takers.

Lawag3:


What are they arrogant about? their country?

It means their patriotic

Their wealth ? Yeah it theirs they earned it

Their families?

Nigerians can be very prideful and boastful but it's mostly about those three apart from that what else.

Have you not noticed anything good about Nigerians.

Lionessza6:


My friend you said "if it weren't for the Nigerian leaders ,Nigeria would be ok". So yes, you blamed them as an isolated group.

Slums have high crime rates everywhere , this isn't a South African problem , it's a global one. And no our tourists and expatriates don't move around in well known tourists attractions alone, they move freely everywhere WITHOUT ARMED GUARDS . In your country, foreign visitors have to be escorted because the lazy and hungry locals might harm them .

Mr, Nigeria doesn't have a coordinated and advanced population database like ours.....ours is computerised and links everything from your Id to your University degree....from criminal record to the bank accounts you control . Every detail of your life is there .You don't have such in Nigeria, so don't lie to save face . Your police database is more primitive than anything else to the point that a Nigerian who escaped prison in Enugu can go to Lagos to start a new life with a new Id....theres no system that links the different states and regions . For instance how would you know how many people were killed in the North yesterday when Muslims bury their dead the same day and you have no laws to govern that? In SA you cannot have a burial of anyone without a death certificate and the department of home affairs in coordination with the Police and department of health must issue that death certificate after ascertaining the cause of death.

You have porous borders and haven't had any population census in God knows how long,but you know both your population and that of the West Africans ? You're a joke. Mr SADC is visa free to the citizens of the region, and we don't know the number of illegals from these countries, but an incompetent government like has such information ? Lol.


You're rambling now, ofcourse you'd have foreigners arrested when they invite attention to themselves, but the reality is that they mostly have guards around them and they hardly interact with your communities unless you work for them .This is a fact .and they can all the police and soldiers to come and beat you up and you can never try such with them ....that's what I meant by demi-Gods , they're protected by their passports from the degradation that the average Nigerian has to face in the hands of local criminals and police .

There's a difference between poverty and multi-dimensional poverty Sir. Your people's poverty is the worst kind in the Universe. Poor SA get those funds so that we won't have children who are professional beggars like you. South African government is humane, they understand the struggles of their own people and feel for them , which is the opposite with yours . That's why you would never see a child beggar in South Africa,while such scenes are a norm all over Nigeria while the lazy parents keep on making babies they and their government won't care for. The government and the people are connected,.when people struggle the government must step up and help. Look at the first world countries and...they have the most developed welfare packages for their people instead of leaving them to suffer. By the way, the government gets that money from the same SA through tax...so it's a cycle.

Mr , you have Libyan returnees every three months , most crossed the Sahara by road through Agadez in Niger. Italy is littered with Nigerian prostitutes and gangsters, most of which got there by those inflatable boats. This is not 2010 news , it's happening today lol. I can post videos and and recent articles and stories depicting the dangers that Nigerians go through to escape poverty and cruelty in Nigeria.

IronGalaxy:
You do know the meaning of arrogance right? Crass arrogance?

Lawag3:


So what are they arrogant about? How do they behave that shows this arrogance.

Lionessza6:


Smart one, Nigerians are the most hated foreigners in South Africa, that's a fact .But the attacks happened in slums and Nigerians don't live there. So it doesn't make sense how they would be affected when this didn't happen in the communities they reside in....such desperate victims .

Petty business isn't exactly regarded highly over here, and such people aren't tied to anything like property of longterm investment. So if they feel unsafe they can pick up and leave once they sell off their stock. But in this case ...they continue to reside in dangerous SA and inviting their people here for vacations ...what a dangerous country .

A man takes his family to his father's place, that's what real man do. They don't cry over another man's house . Nigerians need to go and build Nigeria for their kids , South Africa is not their home and never will be. They need a safer Nigeria not South Africa . The wives and children need real identity, and it's the man who is responsible for that: giving identity not the other way round . Parasites and cowards forming victims

IronGalaxy:
The same way an arrogant person acts

Lawag3:


Guy , you can't say what they're arrogant about you can't say how they behave to show their arrogance? If I told you someone is a thief and you ask me how do I know? Won't you be expecting I tell you what he stole? Than me telling you he behaves or acts like a thief. Because I now take it that you don't know what you're saying.

IronGalaxy:
Is it the first time hearing someone complaining about the arrogance of your people? Yes/no?

I won't waste my time explaining examples of how an arrogant person acts like because that's common knowledge

Lawag3:


When did I say that screen shot it and post I only said Nigerian leaders are ambitious for their own pockets an answer to this unintelligent question on if Nigerians are ambitious why haven't they changed the country. Let me trown your own question at you why haven't South Africans change their country zero loadsheding low crime rate low HIV infestation low rape case low teenage pregnancy low unemployment rates low foreigners infestation is it that they are not ambitious ? Why haven't they changed it despite all their cries. Answer this question.

South Africa as a country have the highest crime rate in the Africa one of the highest in the world your slums seemed to be working overtime. Many people who come to Nigeria talks about how the locals are friendly. And they only move about with guards in the extreme north east because of bandits the southern Central and north western parts are safe.

Advanced and coordinated like ours you sit in South African and assume others don't have what you have Nigeria last did census in 2010 we has NIN and BVN any sims not registered with NIN gets Deativated and any criminal with an NIN can be traced within Nigeria BVN is more financial as banks used this to trace transaction from where ever you are in Nigeria you can't just get a new id because you have and can only get one NIN so a criminal who escapes from prison will have to refrain from using a phone with sim card link to him and a credit card or debit card. So don't say nonsense in ignorance. As for how Muslim bury how is that a problem the family members can bury the dead and the notify the local government of the death then the certificate is issued to the family of the dead . That doesn't mean a thing. Muslims do not believe in autopsy so it doesn't mean the Nigerian government can't do it it just means that the religion of the north prevents them from doing it. So what's your point again?

Nigerian borders are porous just as much as South Africa

Lawag3:


Oh wow xenophobic killings did not happen in the cities only in our slums you know this is a lie. Xenophobic killings did not happen in Joburg, in Soweto, in Hillsborough. It didn't happen in Cape town.

Good now you see why they do those businesses because there is no competition who will braid your hair when parts of you electronic stuff or cars get spoilt we will replace them? That's why they are successful. That's an untapped market.

Coming from a South African whose men are know for abandoning their wife and kids.

Lawag3:


I never denied Nigerians being arrogant. I just want to know what type of arrogance because arrogance isn't all bad. Plus this is a friendly conversation we've gone past arguments

Lionessza6:



LMFAO. You missed the point again Mr. You said Nigierians are ambitious ( and ofcourse that should include the leaders as they are Nigerians as well) . Get the logic? .

I never declared South Africans as ambitious people ,did I?. I told the truth that we are diverse in thinking and aspirations and that our various leaders are a reflection of that ( both the good and bad) . You're getting desperate .

The difference is clear here , you badly want to portray Nigerians as some sort of victims or competent people , but Nigeria shows us who Nigerians are from all walks of life, the same can be said about SA.


Ofcourse we have a higher crime rate than all of Africa, that's because we have the proper systems to capture all of that information, infrastructure that is lacking in most African countries like Nigeria . Were you able to publish the names of the prisoners who broke who were broken out by protesters in Benin, do you have their records ? .

No they have guards in Lagos as well . Most expatriates living in Lagos do not even drive the themselves in Lagos because they fear your people . This goes for those in Niger delta as well , no sane foreigner can risk that kind of danger.

Yes , SA has porous border and that's why I said we can't possibly know how many illegals we have. But you lied and said you have about 5 million migrants from West Africa even though you can't even differentiate a Fulani from Niger with that from Nigeria . Lier.

The NIN system is new and still developing Mr stop lying . I'm talking about a system here that covers all South Africans and legal migrants , yours only covers some millions not all Nigerians. So those criminals without NIN cannot be traced. And your police stations aren't well equipped to capture and reliable data as their systems are not digitalised. Stop lying.

Check out information from your most developed state , we haven't even checked the poorest and under-developed

IronGalaxy:
So what is this back and forth all about then?

internationalman:
This referee doesn’t know how to make VAR hand gestures. His gesture signified penalty but his decision was free kick

Lionessza6:


There were never any xenophobic attacks in city centres in South Africa, stop being desperate to be a victim . Why hasn't your government brought up the names for compensation , surely they have the victim's details . Desperate liars.

That's funny because they got to SA and didn't invet those businesses as they were already there with South Africans and other foreigners operating them. The point here is that those businesses are done by poor people and are regarded as petty businesses , so they are easy to close down if the owner feels unsafe. It's not like MTN or anything like that.

Mr, Nigerian men must build a Nigeria thatd safe for their women and children so that they won't be crying and begging to be accommodated by their in-laws . Men build their fatherland not run away from it to be brides . South African men should be a problem to SA and Nigerian men should be a problem to Nigeria. Full stop.

Lawag3:


I want to know the type of arrogance Nigerians exhibit.

Lawag3:


That's what the government is supposed to do but as you saw all they did was call out the number of Nigerians killed. Even your consulate doesn't even deny it why are you denying what clearly happened.

Nigerians are risk takers. You do know that big Nigerian businesses are in South African right?


Like I said coming from a South African whose men are known for abandoning their wives and kids

IronGalaxy:
The type of arrogance that made all African countries rejoice after your Afcon loss

IronGalaxy:
Except you don't know that, you can't possibly, you've never met an actual SA man, never been to SA, don't know relationship dynamics of South African people. This is speculation at best

Lawag3:


You're calling online banter arrogance? Do the Ghanaians hate us nope do the Cameroonians hate us nope Angola no . It was what it was online cruise. So that's not arrogance.

Lawag3:


I agree although your stats shows they is some level of absentee father's in SA .

IronGalaxy:
Except you don't know that, you can't possibly, you've never met an actual SA man, never been to SA, don't know relationship dynamics of South African people. This is speculation at best