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Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by SIRTee15: 9:24pm On Feb 15, 2024
Expanse2020:
then tell me Jesus abolished slavery too
His followers abolished slave trade globally
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Dsimmer: 9:25pm On Feb 15, 2024
Expanse2020:
Just closed your mouth and shame yourself you don't know anything in the bible
“You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”

58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59[b] At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.[/b] NO BE HERE BABA JAPA 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Abeg leave that poor guy only jàre no gram am again
You can't even quote properly. I had to start helping you insert your own comment in your own quoted post.

As for the quoted verse. He was in temple preaching, so how did he slip away? Lol.

Don't forget just before the verse you quoted, verse 20 of the same chapter 8 says "He spoke these words while teaching in the temple courts near the place where the offerings were put. Yet no one seized him, because his hour had not yet come"

So he was in the Temple, no one could seize him despite him being in the Temple with them. It means No one could touch or see him when he wanted to move away. Have you forgotten he walked on the water?

Same person scattered the Jew trade in the temple.
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by SIRTee15: 9:26pm On Feb 15, 2024
Expanse2020:
But did you Jesus cursed people, blind people and also killed people when growing up to
From a kill to adult....Abi you never hear am before
Jesus was poor that why he can't afford a wife
Jesus didn't sleep with a kid but her foster father sleep with her mother at the age of 12 to 13🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 did Joseph fit called saint like that 🫣 eeewww what is that
His forfather consumate marriage with Rebeka at 13 too and also 3years with Rachel aww that bad
Jesus is also a coward he can't defend himself
Jesus also a sinner according to the bible🤣🤣
The God die like a coward and thief on the cross,🤣🤣eeewww what is that

When God die who controls the earth
He created man but men kill him, torture him .. which kind God is weak
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tell me did Isa in the Koran owe slaves, did he marry?
Was ISA very poor he couldn't afford any of the above.
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 9:27pm On Feb 15, 2024
Dsimmer:
You can't even quote properly. I had to start helping you insert your own comment in your own quoted post.

As for the quoted verse. He was in temple preaching, so how did he slip away? Lol.

Don't forget just before the verse you quoted, verse 20 of the same chapter 8 says "He spoke these words while teaching in the temple courts near the place where the offerings were put. Yet no one seized him, because his hour had not yet come"

So he was in the Temple, no one could seize him despite him being in the Temple with them. It means No one could touch or see him when he wanted to move away.

Same person scattered the Jew trade in the temple.
What is the meaning of slipping away please
And did just said Jesus is a black man🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 9:28pm On Feb 15, 2024
SIRTee15:
Tell me did Isa in the Koran owe slaves, did he marry?
Was ISA very poor he couldn't afford any of the above.
Jesus is poor he can't afford 3quare mill talkless of owning a slave
One of your brother said he only had one garment and a robe🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Dsimmer: 9:29pm On Feb 15, 2024
Expanse2020:
What is the meaning of slipping away please
The question is how did he slip away?

Same person walked on water or have you forgotten?
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 9:35pm On Feb 15, 2024
Expanse2020:
But did you Jesus cursed people, blind people and also killed people when growing up to
From a kill to adult....Abi you never hear am before
Jesus was poor that why he can't afford a wife
Jesus didn't sleep with a kid but her foster father sleep with her mother at the age of 12 to 13🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 did Joseph fit called saint like that 🫣 eeewww what is that
His forfather consumate marriage with Rebeka at 13 too and also 3years with Rachel aww that bad
Jesus is also a coward he can't defend himself
Jesus also a sinner according to the bible🤣🤣
The God die like a coward and thief on the cross,🤣🤣eeewww what is that

When God die who controls the earth
He created man but men kill him, torture him .. which kind God is weak
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Is Jesus not one of your prophets!?..

You are so dazed that you are willing to sacrifice him to make a point.

Is there anything I have said here that is untrue either about Jesus or about Mohammed.


Jesus may be poor, but it was His choice. And being poor is not a sin nor a crime.
However, the Truth is that
1. But Jesus is NOT a Murderer like Mohammed
2. Neither is He a Thief Like Mohammed
3. He did not have mental Issues like Mohammed
4. He is not an Adulterer like Mohammed
5. He casts out demons and never subject to demons or black Magic like Mohammed
5. Jesus never urinates like women like Mohammed
6. Jesus is not a pedophile having sex with 8 year old girls like Mohammed
7. Jesus never murdered anyone, he creates life and gives life unlike Mohammed

Jesus is the Way
Jesus is the Truth
Jesus is the Life
Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega
Jesus is the Word of God who became human
Jesus is from Above
Jesus is the Creator of the seen and unseen
Jesus is the Judge of all living beings including Mohammed
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 9:41pm On Feb 15, 2024
TenQ:
Is Jesus not one of your prophets!?..

You are so dazed that you are willing to sacrifice him to make a point.

Is there anything I have said here that is untrue either about Jesus or about Mohammed.


Jesus may be poor, but it was His choice. And being poor is not a sin nor a crime.
However, the Truth is that
1. But Jesus is NOT a Murderer like Mohammed
2. Neither is He a Thief Like Mohammed
3. He did not have mental Issues like Mohammed
4. He is not an Adulterer like Mohammed
5. He casts out demons and never subject to demons or black Magic like Mohammed
5. Jesus never urinates like women like Mohammed
6. Jesus is not a pedophile having sex with 8 year old girls like Mohammed
7. Jesus never murdered anyone, he creates life and gives life unlike Mohammed

Jesus is the Way
Jesus is the Truth
Jesus is the Life
Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega
Jesus is the Word of God who became human
Jesus is from Above
Jesus is the Creator of the seen and unseen
Jesus is the Judge of all living beings including Mohammed
Jesus is not my prophet the one the Paul and Roman invented who brought fake bible of different version
But Issah (PBUH) Yehesua who bring the gospel who the righteous ones in his time follow and the Muslim follow till qiyyaoma
May Allah elevate him once more..

There is different from lie and truth
Sorry my bad
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 9:42pm On Feb 15, 2024
Dsimmer:
The question is how did he slip away?

Same person walked on water or have you forgotten?
so you don't understand English again..check Google to solve the English Wahala for you naw
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 9:44pm On Feb 15, 2024
TenQ:
Is Jesus not one of your prophets!?..

You are so dazed that you are willing to sacrifice him to make a point.

Is there anything I have said here that is untrue either about Jesus or about Mohammed.


Jesus may be poor, but it was His choice. And being poor is not a sin nor a crime.
However, the Truth is that
1. But Jesus is NOT a Murderer like Mohammed
2. Neither is He a Thief Like Mohammed
3. He did not have mental Issues like Mohammed
4. He is not an Adulterer like Mohammed
5. He casts out demons and never subject to demons or black Magic like Mohammed
5. Jesus never urinates like women like Mohammed
6. Jesus is not a pedophile having sex with 8 year old girls like Mohammed
7. Jesus never murdered anyone, he creates life and gives life unlike Mohammed

Jesus is the Way
Jesus is the Truth
Jesus is the Life
Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega
Jesus is the Word of God who became human
Jesus is from Above
Jesus is the Creator of the seen and unseen
Jesus is the Judge of all living beings including Mohammed
And also all those things I posted earlier check the history and the bible I didn't lie about any of it...
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Dsimmer:
Expanse2020:
so you don't understand English again..check Google to solve the English Wahala for you naw
You're the one who's got a problem with comprehension.

The verse of the same chapter said he was in the temple with them but they couldn't seize him, so how was he able to slip away from them when he was in the same temple with them while the scripture stated that he went through the midst of them?

The question you should be asking is how did he slip away? But considering that he walked on water and the fact that the verse of that particular same chapter said no one could seize him should tell you whatzup already if you're using your brain. It means he became invisible to them and walked out.
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by SIRTee15: 10:23pm On Feb 15, 2024
Expanse2020:
Jesus is poor he can't afford 3quare mill talkless of owning a slave
One of your brother said he only had one garment and a robe🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Forget bout Jesus in the bible. Let's talk about ISA in the Koran who is supposedly Jesus.
Did he owe slaves, did he have a wife. If no, why?
Is it because he was poor.
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 11:14pm On Feb 15, 2024
Expanse2020:
And also all those things I posted earlier check the history and the bible I didn't lie about any of it...
I did not argue with you about Jesus being poor did I.

Is any of these wrong about Mohammed


However, the Truth is that
1. But Jesus is NOT a Murderer like Mohammed
2. Neither is He a Thief Like Mohammed
3. He did not have mental Issues like Mohammed
4. He is not an Adulterer like Mohammed
5. He casts out demons and never subject to demons or black Magic like Mohammed
5. Jesus never urinates like women like Mohammed
6. Jesus is not a pedophile having sex with 8 year old girls like Mohammed
7. Jesus never murdered anyone, he creates life and gives life unlike Mohammed
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 11:16pm On Feb 15, 2024
Expanse2020:
Jesus is not my prophet the one the Paul and Roman invented who brought fake bible of different version
But Issah (PBUH) Yehesua who bring the gospel who the righteous ones in his time follow and the Muslim follow till qiyyaoma
May Allah elevate him once more..

There is different from lie and truth
Sorry my bad
So Allah was telling lies about Jesus and we Christians in the Qur'an!?
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by ahmedio2017(m): 11:38pm On Feb 15, 2024
Dsimmer:
What exactly are you saying exactly?

The whole verse was talking about the temptation of Satan who tempted him to turn stone to food, and also asked him to fall because he would be lifted up etc.. Do you even realize that he rebuked Satan not to tempt him because he's Satan's God when he told him that "thou shall not tempt your Lord God".

I said if you understood Yoruba, it wouldn't be difficult for you to understand. IFA states that Eledumare/Olorun is One God Almighty who's got one begotten child called Ela (who's his Word). These are the supreme being who created the world and the Orishas.

The scripture states that in the beginning, there was the word, and the word was with God and the word is God! And the word became flesh...

In Ifa, there are also the Orishas which represents innovative ideas and creativities such as Orisha Oko which represent Agriculture; Orisha Ogun which represent iron, warrior, metallurgy, mechanical engines; Oduduwa represent Creativity, Civilization, commerce and industrialization etc. However these Orishas are also Yoruba ancestors who actually came on earth to display these innovative and creative talents on earth.

So the word of God also came on earth to depict God who's pure, full of wisdom etc.. Ifa calls it Ela, the word of God and only begotten child of Eledumare. It's also known as Jewesun, the Lamb. The Jews knows it as Jesus.
I have told you before that you lack knowledge about Christianity. Jesus told Satan that it has been written that it is ONLY God that he should serve. Jesus Christ PBUH affirm there is only one God, and he only is worthy of serving.
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Dsimmer:
ahmedio2017:
I have told you before that you lack knowledge about Christianity. Jesus told Satan that it has been written that it is ONLY God that he should serve. Jesus Christ PBUH affirm there is only one God, and he only is worthy of serving.
Jesus rebuked him and said he shouldn't tempt him who's his God Lord who should be the one to be worshipped.

You lack wisdom. If you didn't, you would know that the things (cosmos) that created the earth all came as humans on earth. Obatala which is the light that started the earth creation existed as a human. Oduduwa, the black vaccum matter that continued the creation of the earth also existed as a human. Creative & innovative knowledge/ideas such as Ogun which represents iron, mechanical engines etc while Oko represent Agriculture all existed as humans on earth.

However, no one knew how to depict God, thus his word also came as a human to portray God in his purity, wisdom and mercy. IFA knows it as Ela which is the word and only begotten child of Eledumare. It's also known as Jewesun, the Lamb. While the Jews knows it as Jesus, the only begotten child of God.
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by ahmedio2017(m): 6:45am On Feb 16, 2024
Dsimmer:
Jesus rebuked him and said he shouldn't tempt him who's his God Lord who should be the one to be worshipped.

You lack wisdom. If you didn't, you would know that things (cosmos) that created the earth all came as humans on earth. Obatala which is the light that started the earth creation existed as a human. Oduduwa, the black vaccum that continued the creation of the earth also existed as a human. Creative & innovative knowledge/ideas such as Ogun which represents iron, mechanical engines etc while Oko represent Agriculture all existed as humans on earth.

However, no one knew how to depict God, thus his word also came as a human to portray God in his purity, wisdom and mercy. IFA knows it as Ela which is the word and only begotten child of Eledumare. It's also known as Jewesun, the Lamb. While the Jews knows it as Jesus, the only begotten child of God.
You are just twisting scriptures, you have no idea.
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Lawag3: 7:54am On Feb 16, 2024
Expanse2020:
But did you Jesus cursed people, blind people and also killed people when growing up to
From a kill to adult....Abi you never hear am before
Jesus was poor that why he can't afford a wife
Jesus didn't sleep with a kid but her foster father sleep with her mother at the age of 12 to 13🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 did Joseph fit called saint like that 🫣 eeewww what is that
His forfather consumate marriage with Rebeka at 13 too and also 3years with Rachel aww that bad
Jesus is also a coward he can't defend himself
Jesus also a sinner according to the bible🤣🤣
The God die like a coward and thief on the cross,🤣🤣eeewww what is that

When God die who controls the earth
He created man but men kill him, torture him .. which kind God is weak
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Is that what your Quran tells you'd? In the Bible both Rachel and Rebecca are said to be women. The Bible's doesn't call little girls women.

So what happened to Jesus is Muslim that's what your Quran says right? You now insults your second greatest prophet 😁. One who is going to judge the Jews and Christian.

When you throw insults instead of giving answers you know you've lost the argument.

You're not even a devote Muslim. Your islam is lacking but it doesn't matter either way there's is non that won't pass through it right?
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Merry100: 8:05am On Feb 16, 2024
Lawag3:
Is that what your Quran tells you'd? In the Bible both Rachel and Rebecca are said to be women. The Bible's doesn't call little girls women.

So what happened to Jesus is Muslim that's what your Quran says right? You now insults your second greatest prophet 😁. One who is going to judge the Jews and Christian.

When you throw insults instead of giving answers you know you've lost the argument.

You're not even a devote Muslim. Your islam is lacking but it doesn't matter either way there's is non that won't pass through it right?
It is just as if you took words out of my mouth.

He stated that Rebekah was thirteen years and Rachel was three years, I don't see that anywhere in the Bible he was probably trying to create confusion.
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Dsimmer:
ahmedio2017:
You are just twisting scriptures, you have no idea.
You're the one twisting the scripture. The scripture says Jesus is the begotten child of God but you're wailing. Lol. Jesus said it himself that he's the begotten child of God. It was the word of God that became flesh. The scripture says "In the beginning, there was the word and the word was with God and the word is God. And the word became flesh and dwelled among us". One thing you can say is Jesus did portray God's attributes on earth. He was pure, full of wisdom and kind, aside his miraculous powerful nature.
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 5:29pm On Feb 16, 2024
Lawag3:
Is that what your Quran tells you'd? In the Bible both Rachel and Rebecca are said to be women. The Bible's doesn't call little girls women.

So what happened to Jesus is Muslim that's what your Quran says right? You now insults your second greatest prophet 😁. One who is going to judge the Jews and Christian.

When you throw insults instead of giving answers you know you've lost the argument.

You're not even a devote Muslim. Your islam is lacking but it doesn't matter either way there's is non that won't pass through it right?
Awww what is that
Eeewww
Are you pain
Jesus invented by Paul and Roman was different from ISSA (PBUH) YEHESUA from Quran. So don't mixed it up .....

May be you should read your bible very well
If they are not underage kid why bible we use the term girl for them
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 5:36pm On Feb 16, 2024
TenQ:
So Allah was telling lies about Jesus and we Christians in the Qur'an!?
Allah didn't lied your Paul, mark, Luke lied and the Roman invention lied and fabricate lie to you 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Our dear prophet ISSA PBUH didn't die, was not nail...use the merging difference there
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And you are Christianity because Jesus didn't named you Christian the Paul and Roman gave you the name🤣🤣🤣🫣🫣 if I lied you showed me where in the bible Jesus called you Christains
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 5:40pm On Feb 16, 2024
TenQ:
I did not argue with you about Jesus being poor did I.

Is any of these wrong about Mohammed


However, the Truth is that
1. But Jesus is NOT a Murderer like Mohammed
2. Neither is He a Thief Like Mohammed
3. He did not have mental Issues like Mohammed
4. He is not an Adulterer like Mohammed
5. He casts out demons and never subject to demons or black Magic like Mohammed
5. Jesus never urinates like women like Mohammed
6. Jesus is not a pedophile having sex with 8 year old girls like Mohammed
7. Jesus never murdered anyone, he creates life and gives life unlike Mohammed
Did all I wrote about your Jesus did I lied
That he cursed a boy and his family
He cursed his teacher
He blind someone too
Is it a lie
Is your Jesus a saint
So bible said whoever born from a women is a sinner
Is your JESUS a Saint no because he was born from a woman 🫣🫣🫣🫣🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣
Only a person is a saint in the bible who was that did you know him 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 5:43pm On Feb 16, 2024
SIRTee15:
Forget bout Jesus in the bible. Let's talk about ISA in the Koran who is supposedly Jesus.
Did he owe slaves, did he have a wife. If no, why?
Is it because he was poor.
According to QURAN he is not a wealthy person because they didn't qualify him as a wealthy man also in your book point out where he is a reach am but he is a carpenter
Why did we have to forget the peace of a shit book when am referencing to the actor in the comic book🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 5:44pm On Feb 16, 2024
Dsimmer:
You're the one who's got a problem with comprehension.

The verse of the same chapter said he was in the temple with them but they couldn't seize him, so how was he able to slip away from them when he was in the same temple with them while the scripture stated that he went through the midst of them?

The question you should be asking is how did he slip away? But considering that he walked on water and the fact that the verse of that particular same chapter said no one could seize him should tell you whatzup already if you're using your brain. It means he became invisible to them and walked out.
🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He became invisible really
Tell me more
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Dsimmer:
Expanse2020:
🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He became invisible really
Tell me more
Even the same verse said he walked out through the midst of them. Or you can't read and understand again? 😂 So how did he run away exactly, considering he was in the same temple with them? 😂

You can't understand simple things. All you know is filling and destroying your brain with Arab trash! 😂

Only a mental case or someone trying to be funny take serious that useless peadophilic Arab terrorist Mohammed who came several centuries later to fabricate rubbish about the history of the Jews, different from the original. Is that in his place to begin with? Is it in his place to be fabricating gibberish different from the original history of the Jews?

What even annoyed me the most was how the Arabs stole North Africa lands after murdering North Africans!
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by SIRTee15: 7:08pm On Feb 16, 2024
Expanse2020:
According to QURAN he is not a wealthy person because they didn't qualify him as a wealthy man also in your book point out where he is a reach am but he is a carpenter
Why did we have to forget the peace of a shit book when am referencing to the actor in the comic book🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣
As if the Koran makes sense without first reading the bible.
U want me to prove above to U.
Tell me who came first according to the Koran, Abraham or Moses.
Without referencing the bible, tell me who came first btw Abraham or Moses in your Koran.
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 8:25pm On Feb 16, 2024
Expanse2020:
Allah didn't lied your Paul, mark, Luke lied and the Roman invention lied and fabricate lie to you 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Our dear prophet ISSA PBUH didn't die, was not nail...use the merging difference there
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And you are Christianity because Jesus didn't named you Christian the Paul and Roman gave you the name🤣🤣🤣🫣🫣 if I lied you showed me where in the bible Jesus called you Christains
Why do your Muslim scholars translate Nasara as Christian?

Why did Allah say Christians and Jews will enter Paradise?

Why did Allah attest to our scripture (both the Jews and Christians)


It seems you are better in knowledge than Allah and his Mohammed!
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 8:35pm On Feb 16, 2024
Expanse2020:
Did all I wrote about your Jesus did I lied
That he cursed a boy and his family
He cursed his teacher
He blind someone too
Is it a lie
Is your Jesus a saint
Can you give me evidence for these?
Apparently, I haven't read my bible to this facts you are stating.

I guess your prophet made a mistake with the hadith below

Sahih al-Bukhari 3286
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "When any human being is born. Satan touches him at both sides of the body with his two fingers, except Jesus, the son of Mary, whom Satan tried to touch but failed, for he touched the placenta-cover instead."



Expanse2020:
So bible said whoever born from a women is a sinner
Is your JESUS a Saint no because he was born from a woman 🫣🫣🫣🫣🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣
Only a person is a saint in the bible who was that did you know him 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Did Jesus have a human father?
If he did, then you are correct that he is a sinner.

According to Islamic doctrines, did Jesus not exist in heaven before he was born?
Qur'an 4:171
O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.


How can he then be a sinner like Mohammed?

Of course except you know better than Allah! Tell me how a spirit from Allah can be a sinner?
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 9:02pm On Feb 16, 2024
TenQ:
Can you give me evidence for these?
Apparently, I haven't read my bible to this facts you are stating.

I guess your prophet made a mistake with the hadith below

Sahih al-Bukhari 3286
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "When any human being is born. Satan touches him at both sides of the body with his two fingers, except Jesus, the son of Mary, whom Satan tried to touch but failed, for he touched the placenta-cover instead."




Did Jesus have a human father?
If he did, then you are correct that he is a sinner.

According to Islamic doctrines, did Jesus not exist in heaven before he was born?
Qur'an 4:171
O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.


How can he then be a sinner like Mohammed?

Of course except you know better than Allah! Tell me how a spirit from Allah can be a sinner?
The bible said not me
Anybody born from the womb of a woman he is a sinner ,.,did Jesus fall from sky undecided
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ(op): 9:07pm On Feb 16, 2024
Expanse2020:
The bible said not me
Anybody born from the womb of a woman he is a sinner ,.,did Jesus fall from sky undecided
Let's assume that the Bible is wrong and Allah and his prophet are correct,

According to Allah and Mohammed , is Jesus a sinner?

QED!
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 6:51am On Feb 17, 2024
TenQ:
The statement of Bilal makes proper sense only AFTER the death of Mohammed for two reasons
1. Bilal was loaned to Mohammed as he had a strong voice for call to prayers meaning that Abubakr didn't use him for much personal reasons
2. Bilal has a reason to tell Abubakr the statement :
Sahih al-Bukhari 3755
Narrated Qais:
Bilal said to Abu Bakr, " If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake , then leave me for Allah's Work."


Meaning :
If Abubakr claimed he bought Bilal for the sake of Allah, let him leave him alone.
BUT
If Abubakr bought him for himself, he should keep him for himself.


Abubakr must have been telling all who care to listen that he bought Bilal for the sake of Allah.


Unfortunately, there is no record of what happened after this statement of Bilal in ANY Islamic literatures.




The statement of the the people who called Bilal master of a truth must have taken place several years after his emancipation from Umayyah ibn Khalaf. This is the way it makes any sense.
How myopic and unsound your postulates, arguments and conclusion. Are you not aware that Umayyah on an occasion called Bilal and ordered him to whip another slave as the slave says there is only one God and that every person is important. Umayyah was sure a good whipping will surely teach him a lesson.

The sight of the whip did not frighten the slave. The man's courage brought Bilal to believe in the oneness of God. Bilal refused to whip the man.

Umayyah got angry as Bilal had not only disobeyed him, but other slaves could also revolt if they saw and heard of this.

Bilal had heard the message of Muhammad, that God is One, the Almighty, All Merciful but he also heard the words of his owner. Umayya ibn Khalaf, a wealthy Meccan, who was worried that his livelihood based around idol worship would be disrupted by Muhammad’s message. He spoke to others also concerned about the changes to the political and religious landscape of Mecca saying, "Muhammad was never a liar, magician, or mad, but we have to describe him this way until we turn away from him those who rush to his religion.To quite some extent this practice is still common with the likes of truth twister Tenq.

For daring to disobey and embracing another faith, Bilal had to be taught a lesson which commenced in a most dehumanizing brutal way. News of this got to Muhammad pbuh who then sent Abu Bakr, his close friend and a wealthy trader, to investigate Bilal's plight.
came upon the open field where Bilal was being tortured for amusement. Abu Bakr did not lose his temper, for that was not his way, but he remonstrated with the torturers. He said to Umayya, "Have you no fear of God that you treat this poor man like this?" He replied saying: "You are the one who corrupted him, so you save him from his plight!" Abu Bakr replied: "Then sell him to me, name your price." Umayya, was a businessman and could not give up making a profit, so he sold Bilal for a good price. To humiliate Bilal, he added: "I would have sold him to you even if you had offered me only an ounce of gold." Abu Bakr answered: "I would have bought him even if you had asked for one hundred ounces." You know all these.

Do you forget Abu Bakr was first buying Bilal and the bequest of prophet Muhammad to save him from agony? Why will he buy him to re-enslave him?

The clan of Umayyah ibn Khalaf challenged Muhammad because of their allegiance to the religion of their ancestors.

Their fear over the loss of the glory of the Quraish. This religious status was bestowed upon them because they were a center of idol worship and the caretakers of the pilgrimage in the whole of the Arabian Peninsula; and their envy of the tribe of Bani Hashim; that anyone from among them would claim to be a prophet or messenger.

In the hadith of Riyadh Saliheen you made mention of a saying regarding Abu Bakr and a slave; was this before or after Bilal's manumision from Umayyah and subsequently Abu Bakr who disguised to be buying a slave? In any case we have establish that this was before the migration.

Bilal migrated and returned as a free man when he gave the first call to prayer. Some have pointed specifically to 622 and 624 CE as the time when Bilal was freed. More So in 624 during the battle of Badr Umayyah died.

After buying Bilal of Umayyah he (Bilal) was cared for and nursed back to health. Upon his recovery he was taken to Prophet Muhammad and he[b] stood by his side giving support and calling others to Islam[/b]. Is the ending statement not Jihad?

Abu Bakr manumitted Bilal before the Hijrah to Medina. Bilal was an Ethiopian slave who was freed by Abu Bakr due to his dedication to Islam and his suffering for the sake of his belief in the religion of Islam.
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