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honesttalk21:
How myopic and unsound your postulates, arguments and conclusion. Are you not aware that Umayyah on an occasion called Bilal and ordered him to whip another slave as the slave says there is only one God and that every person is important. Umayyah was sure a good whipping will surely teach him a lesson.

The sight of the whip did not frighten the slave. The man's courage brought Bilal to believe in the oneness of God. Bilal refused to whip the man.

Umayyah got angry as Bilal had not only disobeyed him, but other slaves could also revolt if they saw and heard of this.

Bilal had heard the message of Muhammad, that God is One, the Almighty, All Merciful but he also heard the words of his owner. Umayya ibn Khalaf, a wealthy Meccan, who was worried that his livelihood based around idol worship would be disrupted by Muhammad’s message. He spoke to others also concerned about the changes to the political and religious landscape of Mecca saying, "Muhammad was never a liar, magician, or mad, but we have to describe him this way until we turn away from him those who rush to his religion.To quite some extent this practice is still common with the likes of truth twister Tenq.

For daring to disobey and embracing another faith, Bilal had to be taught a lesson which commenced in a most dehumanizing brutal way. News of this got to Muhammad pbuh who then sent Abu Bakr, his close friend and a wealthy trader, to investigate Bilal's plight.
came upon the open field where Bilal was being tortured for amusement. Abu Bakr did not lose his temper, for that was not his way, but he remonstrated with the torturers. He said to Umayya, "Have you no fear of God that you treat this poor man like this?" He replied saying: "You are the one who corrupted him, so you save him from his plight!" Abu Bakr replied: "Then sell him to me, name your price." Umayya, was a businessman and could not give up making a profit, so he sold Bilal for a good price. To humiliate Bilal, he added: "I would have sold him to you even if you had offered me only an ounce of gold." Abu Bakr answered: "I would have bought him even if you had asked for one hundred ounces." You know all these.

Do you forget Abu Bakr was first buying Bilal and the bequest of prophet Muhammad to save him from agony? Why will he buy him to re-enslave him?

The clan of Umayyah ibn Khalaf challenged Muhammad because of their allegiance to the religion of their ancestors.

Their fear over the loss of the glory of the Quraish. This religious status was bestowed upon them because they were a center of idol worship and the caretakers of the pilgrimage in the whole of the Arabian Peninsula; and their envy of the tribe of Bani Hashim; that anyone from among them would claim to be a prophet or messenger.

In the hadith of Riyadh Saliheen you made mention of a saying regarding Abu Bakr and a slave; was this before or after Bilal's manumision from Umayyah and subsequently Abu Bakr who disguised to be buying a slave? In any case we have establish that this was before the migration.

Bilal migrated and returned as a free man when he gave the first call to prayer. Some have pointed specifically to 622 and 624 CE as the time when Bilal was freed. More So in 624 during the battle of Badr Umayyah died.

After buying Bilal of Umayyah he (Bilal) was cared for and nursed back to health. Upon his recovery he was taken to Prophet Muhammad and he[b] stood by his side giving support and calling others to Islam[/b]. Is the ending statement not Jihad?

Abu Bakr manumitted Bilal before the Hijrah to Medina. Bilal was an Ethiopian slave who was freed by Abu Bakr due to his dedication to Islam and his suffering for the sake of his belief in the religion of Islam.

I am not denying that Bilal was punished by his former master and neither am I saying that he didn't stand his ground.

You will note that All you know about Bilal apart from when he was bought by Abubakr has ZERO time line

Unfortunately, without a credible time line, the best you can do is to speculate.

Now, none of your speculation explain logically the words of Bilal
Sahih al-Bukhari 3755
Narrated Qais:
Bilal said to Abu Bakr, " If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake , then leave me for Allah's Work."

nor

Sahih al-Bukhari 3754
Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah:
`Umar used to say, "Abu Bakr is our chief, and he manumitted our chief," meaning Bilal.


Repeating your preferred Narrative changes nothing as it doesn't convert it to the truth!

Expanse2020:
Awww what is that
Eeewww
Are you pain
Jesus invented by Paul and Roman was different from ISSA (PBUH) YEHESUA from Quran. So don't mixed it up .....

May be you should read your bible very well
If they are not underage kid why bible we use the term girl for them

Omo if you can show me where Mohammed said that in the Quran or hadith. Then you've won a new Covent to Islam. Because Mohammed knew about Jesus from what book the Bible or the Quran that hasn't even been written.

TenQ:
I am not denying that Bilal was punished by his former master and neither am I saying that he didn't stand his ground.

You will note that All you know about Bilal apart from when he was bought by Abubakr has ZERO time line

Unfortunately, without a credible time line, the best you can do is to speculate.

Now, none of your speculation explain logically the words of Bilal
Sahih al-Bukhari 3755
Narrated Qais:
Bilal said to Abu Bakr, " If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake , then leave me for Allah's Work."

nor

Sahih al-Bukhari 3754
Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah:
`Umar used to say, "Abu Bakr is our chief, and he manumitted our chief," meaning Bilal.


Repeating your preferred Narrative changes nothing as it doesn't convert it to the truth!

You really think what you wrote?

The timeline of events surrounding Bilal’s torture, Abu Bakr’s intervention, and eventual emancipation is a significant part of early Islamic history. Bilal ibn Rabah was an Ethiopian slave who later became one of the most prominent companions of the Prophet Muhammad.

Rabah was born on March 5, 580, in Mecca to slave parents, Hamamah, who was once a princess of Abyssinia (Ethiopia) but was subsequently captured and enslaved, and Rabah, an Arab slave from the Banu Humah Clan in Mecca, Arabia (now Saudi Arabia).

Rabah converted to Islam sometime around 615 after he heard the message of the Prophet Muhammad and five years after the Prophet began to gather followers.

Muslims faced ridicule and harassment from non-Muslims once their decision to embrace Islam became known. Rabah’s owner Khalf, who was anti-Islam, discovered Rabah’s conversion and immediately subjected him to torture as punishment for converting to Islam.

Abu Bakr came to an open field where after witnessing Rabah’s torture, decided to negotiate with Khalf for his freedom. Abu Bakr bought Bilal then hom he cared for him and nursed him back to health.

In 622, the Prophet Muhammad, Rabah, and rest of the small Muslim community migrated from Mecca to the city of Medina, Arabia. There Muhammad would establish the Islamic religion in that city. The Prophet appointed Rabah minister of the Bayt al-Mal (Treasury). In that position, Rabah distributed funds to people in need, including widows and orphans. Muhammad also appointed Rabah as the first mu’azzin or prayer caller.

Rabah fought in the Battle of Badr in 624, during which he killed his former master, Khalaf. Rabah also participated in the Battle of Uhud in 625 and the Battle of the Trench in 627, all of which helped rapidly spread the Islamic faith across the Arabian Peninsula.c

honesttalk21:
You really think what you wrote?

The timeline of events surrounding Bilal’s torture, Abu Bakr’s intervention, and eventual emancipation is a significant part of early Islamic history. Bilal ibn Rabah was an Ethiopian slave who later became one of the most prominent companions of the Prophet Muhammad.

Rabah was born on March 5, 580, in Mecca to slave parents, Hamamah, who was once a princess of Abyssinia (Ethiopia) but was subsequently captured and enslaved, and Rabah, an Arab slave from the Banu Humah Clan in Mecca, Arabia (now Saudi Arabia).

Rabah converted to Islam sometime around 615 after he heard the message of the Prophet Muhammad and five years after the Prophet began to gather followers.

Muslims faced ridicule and harassment from non-Muslims once their decision to embrace Islam became known. Rabah’s owner Khalf, who was anti-Islam, discovered Rabah’s conversion and immediately subjected him to torture as punishment for converting to Islam.

Abu Bakr came to an open field where after witnessing Rabah’s torture, decided to negotiate with Khalf for his freedom. Abu Bakr bought Bilal then hom he cared for him and nursed him back to health.

In 622, the Prophet Muhammad, Rabah, and rest of the small Muslim community migrated from Mecca to the city of Medina, Arabia. There Muhammad would establish the Islamic religion in that city. The Prophet appointed Rabah minister of the Bayt al-Mal (Treasury). In that position, Rabah distributed funds to people in need, including widows and orphans. Muhammad also appointed Rabah as the first mu’azzin or prayer caller.

Rabah fought in the Battle of Badr in 624, during which he killed his former master, Khalaf. Rabah also participated in the Battle of Uhud in 625 and the Battle of the Trench in 627, all of which helped rapidly spread the Islamic faith across the Arabian Peninsula.c

You keep repeating yourself as if I have denied the basic history we know of Bilal. I agree with you on the history you presented except that Bilad was brought by Abubakr and loaned to Mohammed because if his loud strong voice. He did call to prayer for Mohammed all through his life time till he died.

My arguments are:
1. You will note that All you know about Bilal apart from when he was bought by Abubakr has ZERO time line with respect to the two hadiths in question

Unfortunately, without a credible time line, the best you can do is to speculate.

2. Now, none of your speculation explain logically the words of Bilal
Sahih al-Bukhari 3755
Narrated Qais:
Bilal said to Abu Bakr, " If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake , then leave me for Allah's Work."

nor

Sahih al-Bukhari 3754
Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah:
`Umar used to say, "Abu Bakr is our chief, and he manumitted our chief," meaning Bilal.


3. Repeating your preferred Narrative changes nothing as it doesn't convert it to the truth!


Conclusion :
So, unless the two hadiths above can be backed up with reference to WHEN and HOW or WHY it happened, you have no case sir.

Otherwise, They showed that even though Bilal was important, he remained a slave until Mohammed died and thus the reason for his request for total freedom if Indeed Abubakr bought him for the sake of Allah!

TenQ:
You keep repeating yourself as if I have denied the basic history we know of Bilal. I agree with you on the history you presented except that Bilad was brought by Abubakr and loaned to Mohammed because if his loud strong voice. He did call to prayer for Mohammed all through his life time till he died.

My arguments are:
1. You will note that All you know about Bilal apart from when he was bought by Abubakr has ZERO time line with respect to the two hadiths in question

Unfortunately, without a credible time line, the best you can do is to speculate.

2. Now, none of your speculation explain logically the words of Bilal
Sahih al-Bukhari 3755
Narrated Qais:
Bilal said to Abu Bakr, " If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake , then leave me for Allah's Work."

nor

Sahih al-Bukhari 3754
Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah:
`Umar used to say, "Abu Bakr is our chief, and he manumitted our chief," meaning Bilal.


3. Repeating your preferred Narrative changes nothing as it doesn't convert it to the truth!


Conclusion :
So, unless the two hadiths above can be backed up with reference to WHEN and HOW or WHY it happened, you have no case sir.

Otherwise, They showed that even though Bilal was important, he remained a slave until Mohammed died and thus the reason for his request for total freedom if Indeed Abubakr bought him for the sake of Allah!

Kudos brother for continuing with this good work.

I’ve been busy with an assignment that is why I’ve not been posting here. But I’ve been following your posts. You’ve been doing great. Continue exposing those workers of darkness and shine the gospel of the light of Christ to them! 👍🏻

TenQ:
You keep repeating yourself as if I have denied the basic history we know of Bilal. I agree with you on the history you presented except that Bilad was brought by Abubakr and loaned to Mohammed because if his loud strong voice. He did call to prayer for Mohammed all through his life time till he died.

My arguments are:
1. You will note that All you know about Bilal apart from when he was bought by Abubakr has ZERO time line with respect to the two hadiths in question

Unfortunately, without a credible time line, the best you can do is to speculate.

2. Now, none of your speculation explain logically the words of Bilal
Sahih al-Bukhari 3755
Narrated Qais:
Bilal said to Abu Bakr, " If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake , then leave me for Allah's Work."

nor

Sahih al-Bukhari 3754
Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah:
`Umar used to say, "Abu Bakr is our chief, and he manumitted our chief," meaning Bilal.


3. Repeating your preferred Narrative changes nothing as it doesn't convert it to the truth!


Conclusion :
So, unless the two hadiths above can be backed up with reference to WHEN and HOW or WHY it happened, you have no case sir.

Otherwise, They showed that even though Bilal was important, he remained a slave until Mohammed died and thus the reason for his request for total freedom if Indeed Abubakr bought him for the sake of Allah!

Perhaps when you can show evidence that he was loaned to the prophet pbuh.

You misunderstand the act of buying him which really isn't a case of buying a slave but a means to manumitting him.

Sunan Ibn Majah 2522
It was narrated that Shurahbil bin Simt said:
I said to Ka'b bin Murrah, tell us a Hadith from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), but be careful. He said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say: “Whoever frees a Muslim man, he will be his ransom from the Fire; each of his bones will suffice (as a ransom) for each of his bones. Whoever frees two Muslim women, they will be his ransom from the Fire; each of their two bones will suffice (as a ransom) for each of his bones.”

Ibn Umar reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Whoever strikes his slave-boy sharply without right, or punches him, the expiation for the sin is to emancipate him.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1657

Sahih al-Bukhari 2517
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Whoever frees a Muslim slave, Allah will save all the parts of his body from the (Hell) Fire as he has freed the body-parts of the slave." Sa`id bin Marjana said that he narrated that Hadith to `Ali bin Al-Husain and he freed his slave for whom `Abdullah bin Ja`far had offered him ten thousand Dirhams or one-thousand Dinars.

honesttalk21:
Perhaps when you can show evidence that he was loaned to the prophet pbuh.

You misunderstand the act of buying him which really isn't a case of buying a slave but a means to manumitting him.

Sunan Ibn Majah 2522
It was narrated that Shurahbil bin Simt said:
I said to Ka'b bin Murrah, tell us a Hadith from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), but be careful. He said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say: “Whoever frees a Muslim man, he will be his ransom from the Fire; each of his bones will suffice (as a ransom) for each of his bones. Whoever frees two Muslim women, they will be his ransom from the Fire; each of their two bones will suffice (as a ransom) for each of his bones.”

Ibn Umar reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Whoever strikes his slave-boy sharply without right, or punches him, the expiation for the sin is to emancipate him.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1657

Sahih al-Bukhari 2517
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Whoever frees a Muslim slave, Allah will save all the parts of his body from the (Hell) Fire as he has freed the body-parts of the slave." Sa`id bin Marjana said that he narrated that Hadith to `Ali bin Al-Husain and he freed his slave for whom `Abdullah bin Ja`far had offered him ten thousand Dirhams or one-thousand Dinars.

Just to prove you wrong with the hadiths you posted.

Did Mohammed himself have slaves?
Were the slaves Muslims or do you know a single slave in Mohammed's household that is mushrik?


Secondly , have you read this hadith before

Mishkat al-Masabih 3350
Jarir reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When a slave runs away his prayer is not accepted.” In a version on his authority he said, “If any slave runs away protection does not apply to him.” In another version on his authority he said, “If any slave runs away from his masters he has become an infidel till he returns to them.”

Sahih Muslim 1666 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying:
When a slave fulfils obligation of Allah and obligation of his master, he has two rewards for him. I narrated this to Ka'b, and Ka'b said: (Such a slave) has no accountability, nor has a poor believer.


Is this not enough evidence that you have Muslim slaves?

advocatejare:
Kudos brother for continuing with this good work.

I’ve been busy with an assignment that is why I’ve not been posting here. But I’ve been following your posts. You’ve been doing great. Continue exposing those workers of darkness and shine the gospel of the light of Christ to them! 👍🏻

Amen and thanks for the encouragement


A Muslim will rather defend falsehood and illogical point of view rather than admit the truth.

TenQ:
Amen and thanks for the encouragement


A Muslim will rather defend falsehood and illogical point of view rather than admit the truth.

It’s not their fault, Satan/Baal/Allah has blinded their hearts, many of them have chosen to go to hell rather than to accept Christ into their lives

Lawag3:
Omo if you can show me where Mohammed said that in the Quran or hadith. Then you've won a new Covent to Islam. Because Mohammed knew about Jesus from what book the Bible or the Quran that hasn't even been written.

You forgot that Quran said they didn't nail Jesus but your bible said the nail and killed your God is that not clear to you.....that there is difference

TenQ:
Let's assume that the Bible is wrong and Allah and his prophet are correct,

According to Allah and Mohammed , is Jesus a sinner?

QED!

You don't need to forgot the filthy book because it's the one that called him a sinner not the Allah SWT, Muhammad SAW and the Quran

TenQ:
Why do your Muslim scholars translate Nasara as Christian?

Why did Allah say Christians and Jews will enter Paradise?

Why did Allah attest to our scripture (both the Jews and Christians)


It seems you are better in knowledge than Allah and his Mohammed!

Because those who didn't follow what the prophets brought as a guidance in Jew and Nassara which make them kafir and there is no other place for them in heaven except hell 🔥 so what it's the argument all about.. no doubt hell is there home😂😂😂😂

SIRTee15:
As if the Koran makes sense without first reading the bible.
U want me to prove above to U.
Tell me who came first according to the Koran, Abraham or Moses.
Without referencing the bible, tell me who came first btw Abraham or Moses in your Koran.

Ehen so tell me every Muslim always read bible before reading Quran 😂🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
I will like you to proof it to me óò
Who came first óò you may enlightening me if it is Moses OOO😂🤣🤣🤣
Abraham came first Abi you see another verse that said Moses was the first man in your own Quran too, 🤣🤣🤣🤣
We hear every Xtians are now getting There own copy of the Quran t😂😂😂😂

Dsimmer:
Even the same verse said he walked out through the midst of them. Or you can't read and understand again? 😂 So how did he run away exactly, considering he was in the same temple with them? 😂

You can't understand simple things. All you know is filling and destroying your brain with Arab trash! 😂

Only a mental case or someone trying to be funny take serious that useless peadophilic Arab terrorist Mohammed who came several centuries later to fabricate rubbish about the history of the Jews, different from the original. Is that in his place to begin with? Is it in his place to be fabricating gibberish different from the original history of the Jews?

What even annoyed me the most was how the Arabs stole North Africa lands after murdering North Africans!

So is that any other verses that can proof Jesus is invisible in some occasion unless you lied

Expanse2020:
Because those who didn't follow what the prophets brought as a guidance in Jew and Nassara which make them kafir and there is no other place for them in heaven except hell 🔥 so what it's the argument all about.. no doubt hell is there home😂😂😂😂

Then who are the people of the Book?

Expanse2020:
You don't need to forgot the filthy book because it's the one that called him a sinner not the Allah SWT, Muhammad SAW and the Quran

in other words, Jesus is not a sinner as you have been insinuating!
SMH!

advocatejare:
It’s not their fault, Satan/Baal/Allah has blinded their hearts, many of them have chosen to go to hell rather than to accept Christ into their lives

I agree with you.
If Indeed Allah is the best deceiver, then woe betide anyone who he misleads

Expanse2020:
Ehen so tell me every Muslim always read bible before reading Quran 😂🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
I will like you to proof it to me óò
Who came first óò you may enlightening me if it is Moses OOO😂🤣🤣🤣
Abraham came first Abi you see another verse that said Moses was the first man in your own Quran too, 🤣🤣🤣🤣
We hear every Xtians are now getting There own copy of the Quran t😂😂😂😂

How did U know Abraham came first b4 Moses. Show me the verse in the Koran that gave u that knowledge/insight that Abraham existed b4 Moses.
That's my question, not all these meaningless rant.

I want to prove to U that without the bible your Koran makes no sense.

Expanse2020:
You forgot that Quran said they didn't nail Jesus but your bible said the nail and killed your God is that not clear to you.....that there is difference

Then you forget in the Quran Allah said he was the one who made it look as if Jesus was nailed. Where in the Quran did it say Jesus of the Bible is different from Jesus of the Quran. Where did Mohammed say that where is it written in the hadith.

And also where In the Bible Rachel and Rebecca were referred to as girls.

Expanse2020:
So is that any other verses that can proof Jesus is invisible in some occasion unless you lied

Can't you read and comprehend? That particular verse says he walked out through the midst of them! So how did he run away? Go brush up your brain joor instead of filling it with Arab jargons. He walked out through the midst of them. They simply couldn't do anything. Either their hands became stuck & immobile thus couldn't throw stones or he became invisible to them, considering he once walked on water. However, one thing made known was he walked out through the midst of them.

TenQ:
Just to prove you wrong with the hadiths you posted.

Did Mohammed himself have slaves?
Were the slaves Muslims or do you know a single slave in Mohammed's household that is mushrik?


Secondly , have you read this hadith before

Mishkat al-Masabih 3350
Jarir reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When a slave runs away his prayer is not accepted.” In a version on his authority he said, “If any slave runs away protection does not apply to him.” In another version on his authority he said, “If any slave runs away from his masters he has become an infidel till he returns to them.”

Sahih Muslim 1666 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying:
When a slave fulfils obligation of Allah and obligation of his master, he has two rewards for him. I narrated this to Ka'b, and Ka'b said: (Such a slave) has no accountability, nor has a poor believer.


Is this not enough evidence that you have Muslim slaves?

More talk and no reflection to the simple question.

honesttalk21:
Perhaps when you can show evidence that he was loaned to the prophet pbuh.

Do you imply I miss the answer to what is asked above? Do point it to me

Dsimmer:
Can't you read and comprehend? That particular verse says he walked out through the midst of them! So how did he run away? Go brush up your brain joor instead of filling it with Arab jargons. He walked out through the midst of them. They simply couldn't do anything. Either their hands became stuck & immobile thus couldn't throw stones or he became invisible to them, considering he once walked on water. However, one thing made known was he walked out through the midst of them.

But the bible said they stone him
Then if he actually invincible is there any other verses which can actually prove Jesus is invincible apart from this only verse...

honesttalk21:
More talk and no reflection to the simple question.



Do you imply I miss the answer to what is asked above? Do point it to me

TenQ:
Just to prove you wrong with the hadiths you posted.

Did Mohammed himself have slaves?
Were the slaves Muslims or do you know a single slave in Mohammed's household that is mushrik?


Secondly , have you read this hadith before

Mishkat al-Masabih 3350
Jarir reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When a slave runs away his prayer is not accepted.” In a version on his authority he said, “If any slave runs away protection does not apply to him.” In another version on his authority he said, “If any slave runs away from his masters he has become an infidel till he returns to them.”

Sahih Muslim 1666 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying:
When a slave fulfils obligation of Allah and obligation of his master, he has two rewards for him. I narrated this to Ka'b, and Ka'b said: (Such a slave) has no accountability, nor has a poor believer.


Is this not enough evidence that you have Muslim slaves?

Before you go about your proof answer the question asked. Where is the proof Prophet Muhammad pbuh loaned Bilal from Abu Bakr?

Lawag3:
Then you forget in the Quran Allah said he was the one who made it look as if Jesus was nailed. Where in the Quran did it say Jesus of the Bible is different from Jesus of the Quran. Where did Mohammed say that where is it written in the hadith.

And also where In the Bible Rachel and Rebecca were referred to as girls.

Bible > Genesis > Chapter 24 > Verse 14

Berean Standard Bible
Now may it happen that the girl to whom I say, ‘Please let down your jar that I may drink,’ and who responds, ‘Drink, and I will water your camels as well’—let her be the one You have appointed for Your servant Isaac. By this I will know that You have shown kindness to my master.”

NASB 1995
now may it be that the girl to whom I say, ‘Please let down your jar so that I may drink,’ and who answers, ‘Drink, and I will water your camels also ‘— may she be the one whom You have appointed for Your servant Isaac; and by this I will know that You have shown lovingkindness to my master.”

NASB 1977
now may it be that the girl to whom I say, ‘Please let down your jar so that I may drink,’ and who answers, ‘Drink, and I will water your camels also’;—may she be the one whom Thou hast appointed for Thy servant Isaac; and by this I shall know that Thou hast shown lovingkindness to my master.”


Amplified Bible
now let it be that the girl to whom I say, ‘Please, let down your jar so that I may [have a] drink,’ and she replies, ‘Drink, and I will also give your camels water to drink’—may she be the one whom You have selected [as a wife] for Your servant Isaac; and by this I will know that You have shown lovingkindness (faithfulness) to my master.”

Christian Standard Bible
Let the girl to whom I say, ‘Please lower your water jug so that I may drink,’ and who responds, ‘Drink, and I’ll water your camels also’—let her be the one you have appointed for your servant Isaac. By this I will know that you have shown kindness to my master.”

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Let the girl to whom I say, ‘Please lower your water jug so that I may drink,’ and who responds, ‘Drink, and I’ll water your camels also—let her be the one You have appointed for Your servant Isaac. By this I will know that You have shown kindness to my master.”

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And the young girl to whom I shall say, “Let down for me your cruse; I shall drink and she will say to me, ‘give drink to your camels also’, this is whom you have prepared for your Servant, Isaaq, and by this I shall know that you work favor and truth with my Master.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
I will ask a girl, 'May I please have a drink from your jar?' If she answers, 'Have a drink, and I'll also water your camels,' let her be the one you have chosen for your servant Isaac. This way I'll know that you've shown your kindness to my master."

Majority Standard Bible
Now may it happen that the girl to whom I say, ‘Please let down your jar that I may drink,’ and who responds, ‘Drink, and I will water your camels as well’—let her be the one You have appointed for Your servant Isaac. By this I will know that You have shown kindness to my master.”
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[quote author=TenQ post=128503363]in other words, Jesus is not a sinner as you have been insinuating!
SMH! [/quote)
According to the bible
Everybody born from a woman or from the womb of a woman is a sinner🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There for your lord is a sinner maybe that why the others Jews use him as a sacrifice to the Romans🤣🤣😂🤣🤣🤣
One person shall be the scape goat

SIRTee15:
How did U know Abraham came first b4 Moses. Show me the verse in the Koran that gave u that knowledge/insight that Abraham existed b4 Moses.
That's my question, not all these meaningless rant.

I want to prove to U that without the bible your Koran makes no sense.

Read the Quran it's there for you

SIRTee15:
How did U know Abraham came first b4 Moses. Show me the verse in the Koran that gave u that knowledge/insight that Abraham existed b4 Moses.
That's my question, not all these meaningless rant.

I want to prove to U that without the bible your Koran makes no sense.

Read the Quran it's there for you and check it from that Christian bible you are using too🤣🤣😂

TenQ:
Then who are the people of the Book?

The yahudis and Nasaraniyaas
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Among them those who are submitters like us Muslim and those that are arrogant, and mislead like you back then 😂😂😂😂😂

Lawag3:
Omo if you can show me where Mohammed said that in the Quran or hadith. Then you've won a new Covent to Islam. Because Mohammed knew about Jesus from what book the Bible or the Quran that hasn't even been written.

Eee hen tell me more you were there🤣🤣👌🤣

Expanse2020:
The yahudis and Nasaraniyaas
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Among them those who are submitters like us Muslim and those that are arrogant, and mislead like you back then 😂😂😂😂😂

Muslims can lie for satan!

Who are the Yahudis?
Who are the Nasaraniyaas?

We are speaking English and not Arabic to each other!
These two don't have English names?


The Jews!?

[quote author=Expanse2020 post=128512098][/quote]1. Can you show me the verse that said so?
2. Can you show by any Christian doctrine that Jesus is a sinner?
3. As long as Allah or Mohammed did not say that Jesus is a sinner, it is okay by me.

This makes you the liar!

honesttalk21:
Before you go about your proof answer the question asked. Where is the proof Prophet Muhammad pbuh loaned Bilal from Abu Bakr?

Who does Mohammed always send to do call for prayers for Him (five times in a day)?

Do you need hadiths to answer this question?