Karlifate:
These people will create drama out of nothing...

...including what they claim to "love"

@ bolded:
A woman's love is fickle.

Don't get attached to that [love] illusion. 👌

Karlifate why don't you get involve in the discussion by rizzputin and pukkalolo? I would like to get more views.

Rizzputin:



As I read through, I felt a sense of pity. Not for you, but for her. You've sent a through a rollercoaster of emotions, made her like you. Yet, you don't want to pull the trigger.

Lord knows how disappointed and frustrated she is. Right now, she wants to either be your friend with benefits(fùck buddy) or your girlfriend. If you don't want that, no point calling her or reading further. Because at this point from the way things went down, she's in her feelings so she can't be your friend.

However, if you want either of the two then read on further.

As you've rightly diagnosed, you have oneitis. But not just that. Your ego probably made you believe that since she's head over heels for you... she'll be obsessed she'll do anything (wait for you, buy you stuff, send you money)

Well, if you look at the foodstuffs in your house... you'll notice an expiry date. Likewise, lust, passion, attraction and obsession ALL have an expiry date. And if you fail to act when things are on... she'll get to resent you. And feel disappointed. Like you don't take her serious.

In your case, it's not clear if her feelings for you have expired. So you'll have to call to find out. Further down, I'll tell you how to go about it. But before then, I'd like to correct three notions.

First, Stoicism doesn't mean you shouldn't feel emotions. You're human so it's impossible not to feel. Even psychopaths feel. Only an idiòt will assume being stoic means not feeling anything. This is among the many reasons I see the redpill is a doctrine of half-truths.

Feel but don't overreact or let your emotions control you.

Secondly, with the way you seduced her along with the fact that you haven't had pre-intimacy with her... you can't be sure she's a virgin. I will not be surprised if you eventually find out she's not.

And lastly, if someone asked who ghosted who, she'll say you did. Girls are emotional blamers. And will blame you for virtually almost everything both good and bad.

Sweet seduction that leads to sex? He was just different. Bad date where she doesn't contribute to the convo? He was boring. Even if the fault or reason is from her... in her mind, she'll make you responsible.

In many ways, this can work in your favour. Right now, she's going through guilt and disappointment. Here's what what guys dont know: If a girl likes you or is just a bit interested and she delays in getting back to you... she starts to feel guilty. She'll wonder if you're angry. Or if you'll lash out at her. Or if you'll return the energy and not reply as well. So most just sit there feeling disappointed and annoyed at the situation till time passes.

That's why the right move at this moment is to call. How? Let's find out


>>>>>>>Your next Moves>>>>>>>>

Like I told you we're not sure if her feelings for you have expired.

But if they have, you can bring it back 95% of the time.

So how do we know?

● When you call her (not more than twice) just check up on her and see how she's doing.... if she says anything like "oh you now remember me" OR "like you even care" Just ask how she's doing... in a warm, caring way. Don't logically reply to those her comments. Just ignore and warmly ask how she's doing. This reaction means her feelings are almost expired completely. Probably just a few left

Now if she's cold with bad or negative energy, her feelings have expired completely. She's officially in the resentment spot. But don't take it seriously. Don't act angry or sad or feel bad. Warmly address how she's feeling and the situation without blaming yourself course. By blaming yourself, I mean don't say anything like "I wanted to call you" or "I should have called it's my fault. Basically don't say anything that blames you.

Just address the situation between you two... express how you don't like it because you actually fúck with her. At this point, she'll soften up or warm up a bit to a point where you can continue and steer the conversation towards you meeting her again.

Now, all of this is for if you still want her in your life as a FWB or girlfriend. Because she'll not accept to be just your friend. It's too late for that.

Thanks bro, I really appreciate your input, I've called her already and we are good.

olamoses75:


Sorry bro...
You see, doing the right thing at the right time can be so important that it overweight merit. You should have hit the iron while it's red. It always have to be sex before emotion or feelings. By bedding her when she was still over you, she would have been in your position right now, thinking about you all the time and how she could have been more nice to you.

Nevertheless, all hope aren't lost. She's just playing on your intelligence since there's nothing intimate between you two already. I would rather you call her, but just as friend, and not sound needy or desperate. Ask how she's fairing and don't let the call be more than 1mins. See what happens afterwards. If she calls or text back, then do the needful this time around, by defining your relationship with her. Women are good at games.

And as for the "virgin" part; you believed her because you're partially emotionally attached to her. Women are guilty until proven innocent. That's the mentality you should always have. If she says something, consider her guilty of it until she proves to be innocent.

Thanks for your input bro.

Fiscus105:



I pity you and pity indoctrination that is putting you into mental slavery, from time immemorial, wen man sees lady that he likes, he goes for her, if she agrees fine and if she turns you down, u re not the first and you won't be the last........for people to be telling you acadabra of reverse nature,......only you would suffer for it in closet.

The lady in question, you are 'now' emotionally attached to her, (which is normal in human anatomy but some people would be playing the role of God that you err) having tried to open her heart for you. If you don't retrace ur step and quickly go for her, another sharp guy will hijack her and I pray the guy would be in ur vicinity in which you would be seeing them like Tommy & Jerry walking up and down the neighborhood, while you, would be turturing endlessly emotionally within.

hahaha, I don't think I'm indoctrinated or whatsoever, what made you say that?

Retrace my steps? What if I don't want a relationship currently?

Nice read between pukka and Rizz,
both are valid..

But I think doing all these to get p*ssy as the reward aint worthit..

Girls show me greenlight and after some time,they start resenting me... Still I dont always care,I'm not always moved by their greenlight,etc... I give this IDGAF energy towards ladies,and they tend to notice it also and also hate me for it, man just lacks the energy in making things move forward with girls......
I'm more of MGTOW, and my philosophy is thus 'Nothing really matter, chasing the girl and getting to fvk her still has no worth or sense of value and fulfillment..
Everything is nothing and nothing is everything.. My love is for Philosophy etc..

Rizzputin:

Seduction is a dance between two people. She seduces you with her charm, feminine energy AND you seduce her with your masculine presence, leadership and charm as well.

You are both seducing each other because you are both interested. The reason why the focus is on the man as the seducer is because he has to lead. He has to lead the conversation, the vibe, the energy, the progress.

If he doesn't lead, nothing will happen. That is why the ball is on the man's court to make it happen.

Seduction is like a game. You are both dancers and players in that game.

You both have to seduce each other. She looks at you and makes eye contact, the game starts. That's her attempt to seduce you. You walk up to her and talk to her ... you've subtly declared interested and you start seducing her. This dance will continue subtly under YOUR leadership as a man till you fùck her


Seduction is truly complete when you fùck her.

I'm sorry, I had to cut out some parts.

But I read it and I get your point: in summary, you are still make the argument that guys should be focused on the pussy.

Again, I'm not surprised. I expect you to disagree. Back in the days I'd also counter back to anybody telling me not to focus on the pussy. So I understand


Ok, let's begin again...

So you're advising guys to think with their dicks and focus on the pussy.

If you've dealt with different guys pertaining their dating life, you will realize that most guys are already thinking with their dicks and always focus on the pussy. But despite that they are still not enjoying the romantic success they want.


To be frank, this is not the only online space I teach game with women... I've gotten countless messages, PM, DM, email from guys telling me their issues with women and asking for my advice. I often see similar pattern. It's the still some how related to the same problem: focusing on the pussy.


Even offline, guys have met me, asking for my advice on some woman frustrating them... It's still almost the same pattern: focusing on the pussy, and not being attention focused.

You said something I like tho, you said,
"Seduction is like a game. You are both dancers and players in that game. The goal of seduction is to fùck her."

And you said


"Seduction is a dance between two people. You are both seducing each other because you are both interested. "


But that's the problem...

Because the truth is,

If a girl has zero interest in you, then no amount of seduction moves in the world can help suddenly make her interested; you are going to only waste your time, effort and money trying to seduce or woo her.

See, Rizzputin, I've seen this numbers of time where a guy will tell me about a girl who's not cooperating despite all his game, tactics and seductions..... Then after asking for more details about their own whole interaction, I'll observe that the girl was never even interested in him to begin with, she was just busy toying with his emotions and wasting his time.

And that's my problem with many guys: they don't want to accept that some girls will not be interested. And since they don't want to accept that, they buy into the false hope that if they have the right seduction tactics, then they can be able to get any girl they want.


But that's bullshit. That's total scam.


I think this why most guys I've worked with on one a one on improving their game with women always comeback telling me:

"Chris, you are the real deal"

"Pukka, you too legit die"

"Wow, you've solve the missing piece in my game"


Here's why:


#1. First, I tell them to stop worrying about trying get laid and to stop being focused on the pussy, because that's what causing them to experience fear and that's what's causing their game to be weak.

#2. Second, I teach them how to quickly find out within minutes in the very first conversation if the woman will be interested and not a timewaster. And if the girl is somewhat interested, I show him how to make her sexually comfortable with him and get her craving for his attention.




This why first and foremost, I teach men how quickly find out if the woman is really interested and not a timewaster. That's should be your first focused and concern.





Again, this reason why most guys who I've worked with trust me, because I'm very realistic:

I straightforwardly tell them that "As a guy, not every girl will be interested in you regardless of anything you do. You also have to understand that there are lots of girls out there who are times wasters and who are just looking to manipulate and exploit you.

So the GOAL is not to try to seduce every girl in to fucking you. But rather the GOAL is to find out if she'll be down or interested in you, so you can save yourself unnecessary headache, and only pull the trigger with a girl who's somewhat interested."

Again,

if a girl isn't interested in you, then no amount of game, redpill and seduction move in the world can help the situation, you are going to only waste your time, effort and money.

But, if you are conversing with a girl who has interest in you, then you don't really need seduction or any other pua/game crap, you just need to make her feel sexually comfortable/safe and move the interaction forward.



I love comparing sales and romance because I'm in both world. And because they both involved getting people to accept deal you are offering.

On the island where I do my run-around, I've top sales guys as friends who close big deals. When I ask them about their secret, they tell me that the goal isn't to really close the sales, but rather the goal is to find out if they talking to RIGHT PROSPECT who can afford what they are offering and who had some interest in it.


According, to one of them, he told me, "there's nothing more foolish than trying to sell to a person who has no interest in what you're offering."

But,

If you're selling the products/service to the prospect that want it and you make them feel assured that your product will truly solve their problem, then the customer will close the sales for you and he/she will practically throw the money at you."


Same with dating and women.


There's nothing more foolish than trying to seduce a girl who has no interest in what you are offering.

Your romantic success has nothing do with having the goal to fuvk to a woman. Having the goal of fucking the girl doesn't help you get the girl. Many guys already have the goal of fucking the girl, but still, they are not fucking her, they are instead jerking off to porn.



Just like those top sales guys, The goal ISN'T to really Bleep the girl or even make her your girlfriend, but rather THE GOAL is to find out if you're conversing with a woman who has real interest in you and who has the potential to be down with what you are offering.


Because if you're conversing with a girl that has interest in you and you make feel sexualy safe/comfortable with you, she'll practically throw the pussy you.

Pukkalolo:



I'm sorry, I had to cut out some parts.

But I read it and I get your point: in summary, you are still make the argument that guys should be focused on the pussy.

Again, I'm not surprised. I expect you to disagree. Back in the days I'd also counter back to anybody telling me not to focus on the pussy. So I understand


Ok, let's begin again...

So you're advising guys to think with their dicks and focus on the pussy.

If you've dealt with different guys pertaining their dating life, you will realize that most guys are already thinking with their dicks and always focus on the pussy. But despite that they are still not enjoying the romantic success they want.


To be frank, this is not the only online space I teach game with women... I've gotten countless messages, PM, DM, email from guys telling me their issues with women and asking for my advice. I often see similar pattern. It's the still some how related to the same problem: focusing on the pussy.


Even offline, guys have met me, asking for my advice on some woman frustrating them... It's still almost the same pattern: focusing on the pussy, and not being attention focused.

You said something I like tho, you said,
"Seduction is like a game. You are both dancers and players in that game. The goal of seduction is to fùck her."

And you said


"Seduction is a dance between two people. You are both seducing each other because you are both interested. "


But that's the problem...

Because the truth is,

If a girl has zero interest in you, then no amount of seduction moves in the world can help suddenly make her interested; you are going to only waste your time, effort and money trying to seduce or woo her.

See, Rizzputin, I've seen this numbers of time where a guy will tell me about a girl who's not cooperating despite all his game, tactics and seductions..... Then after asking for more details about their own whole interaction, I'll observe that the girl was never even interested in him to begin with, she was just busy toying with his emotions and wasting his time.

And that's my problem with many guys: they don't want to accept that some girls will not be interested. And since they don't want to accept that, they buy into the false hope that if they have the right seduction tactics, then they can be able to get any girl they want.


But that's bullshit. That's total scam.


I think this why most guys I've worked with on one a one on improving their game with women always comeback telling me:

"Chris, you are the real deal"

"Pukka, you too legit die"

"Wow, you've solve the missing piece in my game"


Here's why:


#1. First, I tell them to stop worrying about trying get laid and to stop being focused on the pussy, because that's what causing them to experience fear and that's what's causing their game to be weak.

#2. Second, I teach them how to quickly find out within minutes in the very first conversation if the woman will be interested and not a timewaster. And if the girl is somewhat interested, I show him how to make her sexually comfortable with him and get her craving for his attention.




This why first and foremost, I teach men how quickly find out if the woman is really interested and not a timewaster. That's should be your first focused and concern.





Again, this reason why most guys who I've worked with trust me, because I'm very realistic:

I straightforwardly tell them that "As a guy, not every girl will be interested in you regardless of anything you do. You also have to understand that there are lots of girls out there who are times wasters and who are just looking to manipulate and exploit you.

So the GOAL is not to try to seduce every girl in to fucking you. But rather the GOAL is to find out if she'll be down or interested in you, so you can save yourself unnecessary headache, and only pull the trigger with a girl who's somewhat interested."

Again,

if a girl isn't interested in you, then no amount of game, redpill and seduction move in the world can help the situation, you are going to only waste your time, effort and money.

But, if you are conversing with a girl who has interest in you, then you don't really need seduction or any other pua/game crap, you just need to make her feel sexually comfortable/safe and move the interaction forward.



I love comparing sales and romance because I'm in both world. And because they both involved getting people to accept deal you are offering.

On the island where I do my run-around, I've top sales guys as friends who close big deals. When I ask them about their secret, they tell me that the goal isn't to really close the sales, but rather the goal is to find out if they talking to RIGHT PROSPECT who can afford what they are offering and who had some interest in it.


According, to one of them, he told me, "there's nothing more foolish than trying to sell to a person who has no interest in what you're offering."

But,

If you're selling the products/service to the prospect that want it and you make them feel assured that your product will truly solve their problem, then the customer will close the sales for you and he/she will practically throw the money at you."


Same with dating and women.


There's nothing more foolish than trying to seduce a girl who has no interest in what you are offering.

Your romantic success has nothing do with having the goal to fuvk to a woman. Having the goal of fucking the girl doesn't help you get the girl. Many guys already have the goal of fucking the girl, but still, they are not fucking her, they are instead jerking off to porn.



Just like those top sales guys, The goal ISN'T to really Bleep the girl or even make her your girlfriend, but rather THE GOAL is to find out if you're conversing with a woman who has real interest in you and who has the potential to be down with what you are offering.


Because if you're conversing with a girl that has interest in you and you make feel sexualy safe/comfortable with you, she'll practically throw the pussy you.

Once again you're misunderstanding the whole point of seduction.

Thinking with your dìck or pussy focus is simply allowing yourself to feel that raw sexual desire. Not hiding behind "attention focus" or "being a powerful guy"

Sexual desire is an energy. And energy can be transferred. Seduction is transferring these sexual desire in a smooth way to the point she feels the same way for you.

Now, let's address your opinions because you still have some wrong views of female nature and seduction.


● Firstly, most guys definitely think with their dìck and get no success because most guys are average or below.

Thinking with your díck is about desire. NOT desperation. Now, because most guys are average and beginners, they find it difficult to contain this energy and control it.

So they act desperate. They chase and chase and chase. They show their cards either too soon or in a poor way. Then the girl runs away.

This is not a problem with the principle. This is a problem with guy trying to practice the principle. The principle of thinking about fùcking her works brilliantly. But only if you know what you're doing.




● Secondly, you just mentioned another red pill/alpha male myth: "If a girl has zero interest in you, no seduction will work her"

This is an oversimplistic and shallow version of what female interest looks like.

You should probably know that a girl can be interested in a guy. Only for the guy to do or say something that makes that interest disappear.

The popular meme proves this: "Some people look so interesting until they open their mouth or you get to know them"

This is how female interest works. A girl can be absolutely uninterested in you but then discovers something about you and all of a sudden she's interested. Maybe she discovered something cool about you. Maybe she saw you with cute girls. Maybe she was in a bad mood

Most of the time, girls don't necessarily reject the guy per se. They reject the situation or the way the guy approached.


●Thirdly... The last line brings me to my next point. Most guys have little understanding of game and seduction.

It's an error to prove the validity of a weapon or a tactic in the hands of amateurs.

Could it be the tactic was bad or the person using it doesn't know how to apply it? In majority of cases, it's the latter. Most guys have little understanding on what to do or say.

They fumble repeatedly without knowing that they've fumbled then they come out and say "game & seduction tactics don't work"


Some subtle examples:

- Girl sends green light to a guy. Guy sees this and thinks he can approach any how Thinking she'll agree because she is already interested. He approaches in an average or bad way, gets attitude or rejected = Fumble

- Girl flakes on guy. Guy sends a text telling her how rude she is for wasting his time. Girl ignores him = Fumble

- Guy tries to force similarities with a girl = Fumble

- Guy sends hey... how are you doing or ask stupìd questions like "what do you bring to the table" because he saw it on red pill tik tok = Fumble

Many ways in which guys Fumble without realising they've fumbled. I see it ALL the time.

In fact, sometimes a girl is somewhat interested only for the guy to act desperate and make her interest drop. Most times the guy does this early without realising Thinking he has got away with it...

Only for the problem to surface later. The guy will have no clue that the issue started much much earlier.


● Fourthly, you can NOT seduce every girl to fùck you. Neither should you be trying to because once you have standards man... you automatically filter out some people.

Also, some girls won't be interested in you for whatever reason beyond your control. But for majority of guys, they're game or seduction skills plays the biggest role in a girl's interest level

● Fifthly, I will repeat again. The GOAL of seduction is to fùck her.

Seeing if she's interested in you or she meets your standards is a FILTER PROCESS or SCREENING process to achieve that goal.

What you're referring to as the goal is more like a mini-goal (filtering, screening) to achieve the Main GOAL which is fùcking her

Don't confuse the two.


● Sixthly, you're contradicting yourself when you say "if a girl is interested in you, you don't need seduction or game. You need to make her feel sexually comfortable/safe and move the interaction forward"


What you just described is seduction and game. Making a girl feel sexually comfortable is part of seduction. Moving the interaction forward is part of game.

● Having a goal of fùcking a woman not only let's you focus on what's important in seduction... it makes fùcking her happen faster.


Again, for the 100th time at this point... guys that think of fùcking a girl but fail are beginners or act desperate.

Desire is NOT desperation. Thinking of fùcking a girl doesn't mean you should be thirsty.


● In sales, finding the right prospect is also a filtering process.

It's a process that helps them closing the sale easier.

Closing the sale is the goal but to achieve that, they'll need to screen out people that are not the right fit.


Seduction and sales is to figure what you want: Fùcking her & closing. Then working your way backwards to filter out people that meet up.

If you're not clear on what you want, you will have a hard time filtering for people that fit into your life.

In sales, there's something called "The closers mindset"

The ability to find loop holes to make the sale(think seduction) happen as fast and as smooth as humanly possible.

It requires wit, quick thinking, an eye for golden opportunity, creativity, strategy, efficient screening and forward process... all of these help you achieve the goal of closing & fùcking

wahaladondey:
Gentlemen of the manosphere, I am about to ask one of the most timeless questions ever, I hope you all don’t mind that this question has been asked and answered countlessly and just try to help me in whatever capacity you can. Lately, I have found myself in one of the most socially packed communities, a school, I am aware that this is one of the few places game works efficiently because of the nature of its build and that is why I want to grasp this opportunity to boost my social life and skills but on every normal day I am a very introverted person, almost bordering on low self-esteem.

How do I start and maintain a conversation with a lady I find attractive? I am not the best conversationalist, I get fidgety and fear I might sound or look stupid whenever I engage in a conversation, externally I seem to exude some form of confidence but internally I’m usually just breaking down.

How do I steer the conversations in a more sexual direction? My hurtful degree of self awareness keeps a tight rope around what I feel I should be socially acceptable to say or not, it makes me not want to come across as offensive or perverted.

I want to build up on whatever advices I can get, make them practical and deliver results to this forum, thanks in anticipation.

I would further edit this post if I have more questions.

Karlifate
luminouz
Rizzputin
Martinez39s
Pukkalolo
Ubunja
and other real gees on this thread in no particular order.

Hey, also check out books like:
3% Man by Corey Wayne
Models by Mark Manson
Book of Pook
They give some excellent advice and suggestions

Sad but true...

😀😀😀


Like a wise man once said “If you want to know the actual body counts, multiply the said number by 3”

MetalJigsaw:
Sad but true...

.
Despite this real truth, how do men still get to love vvomen..
MGTOW~ the most honest truth

This idiot deserves nothing short of mass beating 🤣🤣🤣


"Hello guys I need your advice I met a girl ask her out so she told me she have a boyfriend but her boyfriend doesn't take the relationship serious reason because he tell lies and womanize alot.... she don't want to continue the relationship with him anymore...

so, I convince her that my own time with her will be different from her boyfriend and she accepted me and we started the relationship the relationship was going well smooth and nice along the line she requested for some money and also she asked me to get her a new phone because the phone was bad so for the sake of love and care I have for her I provided her the money she requested and also provide her a better phone....

recently, she begin to act up somehow whenever I called her on phone telling her that I would like to see her she will say she's busy, she's always busy so I begin to suspect her that was happening so during the weekend she told me that her ex-boyfriend is back again and both of them were together when she was telling me she's busy because she doesn't want her ex to know what is happening that was the reason so she told me was was busy with work....

so she pleaded that we should end the relationship we just started, since we have been dating I have spent money on her and I have also get her a better phone
my question now the phone I bought for her should I collect it back or I should leave the phone with her let her go with it and continue her relationship with her former guy."

Taking back a cheating woman is a disrespect to yourself & your bloodline.

Don't be a fool.

Feminine women are attracted to men who are dominant.

Masculine men are attracted to women who are submissive.

This is deeply embedded in our biology.


No amount of feminist propaganda will ever change that. 👌 💯

Dear [young] men,

A man should be a mystery to a woman...

...a mystery she cannot solve.


The masculine aura is in its unpredictability.

You should have different things going on in your life.

You should have a different life that your woman doesn't need to be part of simply by being your woman. She must qualify, and she should know it. 👌


Lay down rules and stick to them.
Don't bend them or make exceptions. 💯


You should not be easily profiled or solved.
If you're solvable, you're controllable & therefore susceptible.


A man should be closed up, not open.

If you act like an open book, she will read the summary & discard you.

Dear [young] men,

It takes courage to be a man.


You'll be hated for no reason, despised, rejected, abandoned, neglected, shunned, and ostracized.

You will be scorned without cause, reviled, spurned...

...but you must not give up on yourself.


Fight for yourself, for your legacy, champion yourself.


You're a man; nobody is coming to save you. 👌


Nobody gives a damn about your existence except you. 💯

Karlifate:
Feminine women are attracted to men who are dominant.

Masculine men are attracted to women who are submissive.

This is deeply embedded in our biology.

No amount of feminist propaganda will ever change that. 👌 💯

Truth.

She’ll fukk men she hates quicker, than men she’s comfortable with.

Karlifate:
Dear [young] men,

A man should be a mystery to a woman...

...a mystery she cannot solve.


The masculine aura is in its unpredictability.

You should have different things going on in your life.

You should have a different life that your woman doesn't need to be part of simply by being your woman. She must qualify, and she should know it. 👌


Lay down rules and stick to them.
Don't bend them or make exceptions. 💯


You should not be easily profiled or solved.
If you're solvable, you're controllable & therefore susceptible.


A man should be closed up, not open.

If you act like an open book, she will read the summary & discard you.

If you don't give a woman drama, she'll give you drama, a chaotic one at that.

I'll still emphasize:

1. Stay away from YOUR EX; don't take her back.
Let the bygones be bygones.


2. Stay away from DIVORCED WOMEN.
They're walking evidences of red flags.


3. Stay away from MARRIED WOMEN.
You'll get killed or crippled when caught climbing another man's wife.
Nobody will mourn you or help you.


4. Stay away from OLDER WOMEN.
Don't sleep, date, or marry them.

She's different, she's exceptional, she's mature, she's not like that – these are frequently occurring excuses in the dictionary of SIMPs.


If you'd like to cry with one eye closed, you're free to experiment.

You can share your experience(s) thereafter.

wahaladondey:
Gentlemen of the manosphere, I am about to ask one of the most timeless questions ever, I hope you all don’t mind that this question has been asked and answered countlessly and just try to help me in whatever capacity you can. Lately, I have found myself in one of the most socially packed communities, a school, I am aware that this is one of the few places game works efficiently because of the nature of its build and that is why I want to grasp this opportunity to boost my social life and skills but on every normal day I am a very introverted person, almost bordering on low self-esteem.

How do I start and maintain a conversation with a lady I find attractive? I am not the best conversationalist, I get fidgety and fear I might sound or look stupid whenever I engage in a conversation, externally I seem to exude some form of confidence but internally I’m usually just breaking down.

How do I steer the conversations in a more sexual direction? My hurtful degree of self awareness keeps a tight rope around what I feel I should be socially acceptable to say or not, it makes me not want to come across as offensive or perverted.

I want to build up on whatever advices I can get, make them practical and deliver results to this forum, thanks in anticipation.

I would further edit this post if I have more questions.

Karlifate
luminouz
Rizzputin
Martinez39s
Pukkalolo
Ubunja
and other real gees on this thread in no particular order.

Blessed is the man who understands the fundamentals of human interaction.

It is not all girls you're attracted to you'll get down with.

Attract don't chase.

1)If a woman is doing the chasing,bro sexual talk would be the least of your worries cuz women by default are sexual and earthly above everything else.

2)The burden of performance will be on her. She'll be the one trying to impress you. You're the IDGAF guy, you care less which gives you more power in the interaction/relationship.

You're fidgety because in your end you already have that woman. A very bad way to go about getting women. Depends on your level(status)
Most won't give a shit as they're are mostly caught up with the shiny and monetary aspect of life.

Very few Nigerian girls seek actual connections.

It's even worse now in this present climate.

All the long talk I'll conclude by saying Send who send you

It's gut wrenching putting max effort in a girl that don't give a shit about you and trust me women are the masters of IDGAF . So when they see guys with an IDGAF aura they respect them openly or secretly.

Nyascobar1414:
Nice read between pukka and Rizz,
both are valid..

But I think doing all these to get p*ssy as the reward aint worthit..

Girls show me greenlight and after some time,they start resenting me... Still I dont always care,I'm not always moved by their greenlight,etc... I give this IDGAF energy towards ladies,and they tend to notice it also and also hate me for it, man just lacks the energy in making things move forward with girls......
I'm more of MGTOW, and my philosophy is thus 'Nothing really matter, chasing the girl and getting to fvk her still has no worth or sense of value and fulfillment..
Everything is nothing and nothing is everything.. My love is for Philosophy etc..

Speaking of mgtow,

Last two months, on a Facebook redpill kinda group I wrote a post concerning the benefits of NOT being pussy focused.

Some fellas in their own different words said, "this is the best mgtow post they have read so far."

And I noticed that in other online space, any time I write about the importance of not focusing on the pussy and treating the pussy like it's worthless to you, most of the mgtow fellas often seemed to approve my post and give me positive response.

I wonder why tho

I found it funny because, my principle of NOT being pussy focused and being attention focused isn't intended for mgtow purpose. But rather it's intended to put me in a DOMINANT & POWERFUL state in my interactions and relationships with women.

Karlifate:
She’ll fukk men she hates quicker, than men she’s comfortable with.

Senior man abeg throw more candles 🕯️ on this

Simps will learn the hard way

olamoses75:
Simps will learn the hard way

Summary:

1. She was fucking while she made him wait.

2. She was fucking while she allowed him to fūck

3. She enjoyed fucking the fuckboy and tormented him with the information

4. She will NEVER stop fucking because she never respected the guy. Only a simp would wait for 4 years to touch a woman who gave all away in a week.

5. Any man your gf keeps complaining about and seemed worked up about, is prolly the one fucking her.

Unconfirmed reports
But seems Roger Federer (im sure we all know him... He's considered to be the greatest ever tennis player) just found out that his two daughters aren't his


Make do with whatever you want with this info

dhiqson:

Unconfirmed reports
But seems Roger Federer (im sure we all know him... He's considered to be the greatest ever tennis player) just found out that his two daughters aren't his


Make do with whatever you want with this info

..

I'm liking this,lol

Disembark:


Senior man abeg throw more candles 🕯️ on this

Well, there's this saying that: "nobody cheat pass woman wey dey secured relationship"

This reason why I believe this is 100% true is cos the "secured" / perfect / great relationship is against their chaotic nature. Hence the need to stir up drama out of nowhere.

If a woman keeps badmouthing a certain dude, and still find it difficult to detach herself from the dude and/or the dude's environment, best believe they're fukking or will soon fukk.

The dude elicit the "hatred" emotion within her


They want to feel different range of emotions at (ir)regular intervals, be it happiness, sadness, hatred, anger, love etc.

The worst situation you can find yourself with a woman is to be boring / not evoking series of emotions within her.


She'll make you go crazy with her chaotic drama.

Karlifate:
She’ll fukk men she hates quicker, than men she’s comfortable with.

In sequel:

Women who hate you the most want to get fukked by you the hardest. 👌

Every other man gives her free attention, but you remain unfazed even amidst all her outpouring of drama.

Her hate is just her sexual frustration mixed with obsession for you. 💯

dhiqson:

Unconfirmed reports
But seems Roger Federer (im sure we all know him... He's considered to be the greatest ever tennis player) just found out that his two daughters aren't his


Make do with whatever you want with this info

Haaaaaaaaaaaa!!

I adore Roger Federer oh...I pray make this story no be true oh... E go pain me for am oh...

Make I go check well!!

N.B: I just checked YouTube and it seems to be true. Make I wait and observe if popular blogs go pick am. I still no believe sha.

If a woman can cheat on Roger Federer, Who are you to survive such, without the redpill. Redpill is the only thing that can save y'all