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Ohyoudidnt:
Of course Nairaland is full of the Macabre dance of Tenq around issues without directly addressing them.
Is the Quran 10:94 talking about origins of the word Bible or there is the claim by ANTIISLAM and supported or promulgated by you that Bible is distinctly mentioned in the Quran?

Why should I answer a question unrelated to the actual question? Did I claim to speak Greek? Oh I forget the Bible is a translation of a Greek written Bible to which it was translated from Hebrew, Aramaic or which ever Israelite language.

Is the Bible the only scripture used by the people before and more likely by some during the prophethood of Muhammad pbuh? Your friend SIRTEE15 clearly states Jesus reading a variant from the scrolls of Isaiah or are these scrolls too not scripture as the Book of Giants I mentioned earlier.

Too bad you and your lot failed to show Bible particularly written in the Quran.
Kindly stop your false claims.

Just tell me that the answers are embarrassing for you to say. How can you say the answer and still be correct?

Unfortunately for you, the Bible gives s the compilation of ALL the Scriptures of the Jews and ALL the scriptures of the Christians.

Can you give me the name of any Book of Allah not in our Bible?

Just two simple questions
Is it untrue that the word "Bible" comes from the Greek word "biblia," which means "book"?

According to you, what is the name of the scripture of the Christians?

SIRTee15:
I'm not going to be distracted by your ad hominem fallacy. Let's stick to the point.

The old testament which is the Hebrew bible is also referred to as the Torah

Anyway for the sake of argument let's call Torah the Pentateuch- the book of Moses.
So my question remain the Torah in the synagogue during the time of Jesus Christ which he must have studied and read, is it the true Torah or the corrupt Torah.
That's my question.


Your other question on Isaiah 61 quote will be answered separately.
It's irrelevant to the topic here.

ad hominem fallacy?

How?

My seeking clarification becomes an attack on your personality?

SIRTee15:
I can't believe this level of ignorance can come from U.

Luke 4.
Jesus went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:

18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”[f]

20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

The Scroll of the Prophet Isaiah is a part of the Nevi’im, or the Prophets, in the Hebrew Bible. It is not a part of the Torah. The Nevi’im is the second section of the Hebrew Bible, following the Torah and preceding the Ketuvim (Writings).

Is this implying you don't know what you have as a Bible? 🤔

Selah

TenQ:
Just tell me that the answers are embarrassing for you to say. How can you say the answer and still be correct?

Unfortunately for you, the Bible gives s the compilation of ALL the Scriptures of the Jews and ALL the scriptures of the Christians.

Can you give me the name of any Book of Allah not in our Bible?

Just two simple questions
Is it untrue that the word "Bible" comes from the Greek word "biblia," which means "book"?

According to you, what is the name of the scripture of the Christians?

Oga examiner do find your class and test scripts to evaluate elsewhere please.

I have rendered literature on what Biblia from Greek means.

Which group of Christians? Do you turn around to imply people of the book as stated in the Quran refers to only Christians? That is not tenable nor acceptable.

In conclusion show otherwise that throughout history, there have been various books excluded from the final canon of the Bible. These books are often referred to as apocryphal or deuterocanonical books.

The reasons for excluding these texts varied, but some common factors include concerns about their authorship, content, theological consistency, and widespread acceptance among the early Christian communities.

So the early Christians chose what to accept and reject isn't It? If it doesn't go well with us remove it

ahmedio2017:
You are a mumu honestly, the term Torah and injeel can be found in both Quran and Bible......



It's surprising the Book have no name. I can see the word Bible only on the cover pages. Who name it Paul or Who??

The Word Quran is mentioned 70 times in the Holy Quran.

I do read Bible but am yet to see the Word Bible. Maybe I have not come across it, help me with it.

But if the word is not there, I don't need further theories and hypotheses that the Bible is Hebrew from then this and that bla bla bla... For all I need is the verse of the Bible.


The Holy Qur'an is also translated to English and that doesn't erase the word Qur'an.


Just answer simple question. Calm down and learn.

You must provide answer or keep shut forever

Let me come down to the level of your ignorance so as to make the question easiest for you to answer.

Who name the books to be called Torah and Injeel?

Ohyoudidnt:
ad hominem fallacy?

How?

My seeking clarification becomes an attack on your personality?



The Scroll of the Prophet Isaiah is a part of the Nevi’im, or the Prophets, in the Hebrew Bible. It is not a part of the Torah. The Nevi’im is the second section of the Hebrew Bible, following the Torah and preceding the Ketuvim (Writings).

Is this implying you don't know what you have as a Bible? 🤔

Selah

Argue with Wikipedia regarding what is Torah.

Just answer my question, the torah in the synagogue during the time of Jesus Christ- which he read because he quoted it regularly; is it the corrupt Torah or the true Torah.

Pls answer the question.

Cc Ohyoudidn't

Ohyoudidnt:
Kindly clarify so you are well understood. Did Jesus read or have the Torah between his hands or the Scrolls of Isaiah? Are the Scrolls of Isaiah the same thing as the Torah?

Assuming I get you right. What Jesus is said to have read in Luke 4:18 -19 is a rendition of Isaiah 61:1-2?

Tell then why the discrepancies as Luke 4:18-19 reads:

18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,o

because he has anointed me

to proclaim good newsp to the poor.

He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners

and recovery of sight for the blind,

to set the oppressed free,

19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”

While Isaiah 61 reads

1. The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.

4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.

Concerns are emboldened.

Which captives or prisoners did Jesus free?

Which old wastes were raised and or repaired?

Does this not show confirmation with Quran 2:79 So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned?

Or a distortion of Isaiah 61 in what is related in Lukec4:18 isn't obvious?

Have U heard of the Septuagint?

ANTlISLAM:
Let me come down to the level of your ignorance so as to make the question easiest for you to answer.

Who name the books to be called Torah and Injeel?

God.......

He gave them to respective prophets
But he never gave any prophet BIBLE
Do you get it now??




It's surprising the Book have no name. I can see the word Bible only on the cover pages. Who name it Paul or Who??

The Word Quran is mentioned 70 times in the Holy Quran.

I do read Bible but am yet to see the Word Bible. Maybe I have not come across it, help me with it.

But if the word is not there, I don't need further theories and hypotheses that the Bible is Hebrew from then this and that bla bla bla... For all I need is the verse of the Bible.


The Holy Qur'an is also translated to English and that doesn't erase the word Qur'an.


Just answer simple question. Calm down and learn.

You must provide answer or keep shut forever

Ohyoudidnt:
Oga examiner do find your class and test scripts to evaluate elsewhere please.

I have rendered literature on what Biblia from Greek means.

Which group of Christians? Do you turn around to imply people of the book as stated in the Quran refers to only Christians? That is not tenable nor acceptable.

In conclusion show otherwise that throughout history, there have been various books excluded from the final canon of the Bible. These books are often referred to as apocryphal or deuterocanonical books.

The reasons for excluding these texts varied, but some common factors include concerns about their authorship, content, theological consistency, and widespread acceptance among the early Christian communities.

So the early Christians chose what to accept and reject isn't It? If it doesn't go well with us remove it

Unfortunately, you seem more knowledgeable than both Allah and Mohammed combined as they seem to have a different opinion from you.

Qur'an 2:41
And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

Qur'an 2:89
And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession - though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved - and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.

Qur'an 2:101
And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not,

Are you reiterating that Allah and his prophet made some serious mistakes in these verses?

ahmedio2017:
God.......

He gave them to respective prophets
But he never gave any prophet BIBLE
Do you get it now??




It's surprising the Book have no name. I can see the word Bible only on the cover pages. Who name it Paul or Who??

The Word Quran is mentioned 70 times in the Holy Quran.

I do read Bible but am yet to see the Word Bible. Maybe I have not come across it, help me with it.

But if the word is not there, I don't need further theories and hypotheses that the Bible is Hebrew from then this and that bla bla bla... For all I need is the verse of the Bible.


The Holy Qur'an is also translated to English and that doesn't erase the word Qur'an.


Just answer simple question. Calm down and learn.

You must provide answer or keep shut forever

We are getting there gradually, you must learn by force by fire

Where is it written in Quran that allah name the books to be called Injeel and Torah?

ANTlISLAM:
We are getting there gradually, you must learn by force by fire

Where is it written in Quran that allah name the books to be called Injeel and Torah?

Oga stop this your baseless argument jawe if you don't have answers to my questions keep shut forever.......


The Quran mentions the word Tawrah (Torah) eighteen times, and confirms that it was the word of God.



It's surprising the Book have no name. I can see the word Bible only on the cover pages. Who name it Paul or Who??

The Word Quran is mentioned 70 times in the Holy Quran.

I do read Bible but am yet to see the Word Bible. Maybe I have not come across it, help me with it.

But if the word is not there, I don't need further theories and hypotheses that the Bible is Hebrew from then this and that bla bla bla... For all I need is the verse of the Bible.


The Holy Qur'an is also translated to English and that doesn't erase the word Qur'an.


Just answer simple question. Calm down and learn.

You must provide answer or keep shut forever

ahmedio2017:
Oga stop this your baseless argument jawe if you don't have answers to my questions keep shut forever.......


The Quran mentions the word Tawrah (Torah) eighteen times, and confirms that it was the word of God.



It's surprising the Book have no name. I can see the word Bible only on the cover pages. Who name it Paul or Who??

The Word Quran is mentioned 70 times in the Holy Quran.

I do read Bible but am yet to see the Word Bible. Maybe I have not come across it, help me with it.

But if the word is not there, I don't need further theories and hypotheses that the Bible is Hebrew from then this and that bla bla bla... For all I need is the verse of the Bible.


The Holy Qur'an is also translated to English and that doesn't erase the word Qur'an.


Just answer simple question. Calm down and learn.

You must provide answer or keep shut forever

Quran only mentioned but no where it is written that it was named by anyone. Now let's get back to the matter since you're gradually gaining your senses back

Bible is a sacred or Holy book that comprises both Torah and Injeel but asking who named it Bible is like asking who named Torah and Injeel

The author of quran with the league of your alfas and imams are only brainwashing you that Torah and Injeel are not the same Bible, but ask your chief imam that where is Injeel and Torah he will tell you that the Book is lost but to tell you how it get lost is to brainwashed you with another stupidity claims to make you happy

I think we are done with this, ask me another questions

SIRTee15:
Argue with Wikipedia regarding what is Torah.

Just answer my question, the torah in the synagogue during the time of Jesus Christ- which he read because he quoted it regularly; is it the original Torah or the true Torah.

Pls answer the question.

Wikipedia says The Torah is the compilation of the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, namely the books of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. You related:

SIRTee15:
[s]I can't believe this level of ignorance can come from U.[/s]

Luke 4.
Jesus went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:

18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”[f]

20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

Is the Book of Isaiah amongst the first five books of the Hebrew Bible that make up the Torah? Do you not marvel at what you initially addressed me with in your statement quoted above in yourself? It is your primary scripture you are talking about and I should not point out this slip of yours to you. The scrolls of Isaiah are not a part of the Torah.

SIRTee15:
Have U heard of the Septuagint?

The Septuagint is a collection of Jewish scriptures that includes both canonical and non-canonical texts.

The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Septuagint contain different parts of the Scrolls of Isaiah

One of the most significant variations between the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Septuagint occurs in Isaiah 7:14, which is a well-known prophetic passage that is traditionally understood to foretell the birth of Jesus Christ. In the Hebrew text of the Dead Sea Scrolls, this verse reads, "Behold, the young woman is with child and shall bring forth a son," while the Septuagint version of the same verse translates it as, "Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son.

Your reference in Luke about reading from scrolls of Isaiah is not the same as reading from the Torah. Perharps you should have referred to

Matthew 4:4: When tempted by Satan in the wilderness, Jesus quotes Deuteronomy 8:3, saying, “Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.”
Matthew 19:18-19: In response to a rich young ruler asking what he must do to inherit eternal life, Jesus references Exodus 20:12-17 and Leviticus 19:18, stating, “You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not bear false witness, honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself.”
Mark 12:29-30: When asked which commandment is the most important, Jesus responds by quoting Deuteronomy 6:4-5, stating, “The most important one is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’”

These are clearly of the Torah but the knowledge Jesus has of this doesn't translate to him reading from the Torah as having scrolls in which it was written between his hands.

Jesus’ knowledge of the Torah is evident throughout the New Testament. He was born into a Jewish family and raised in a community that deeply valued and studied the Torah. As a result, Jesus was likely well-versed in its teachings from a young age. This familiarity is reflected in his discussions and debates with other religious leaders during his ministry.

Ohyoudidnt:
Of course Nairaland is full of the Macabre dance of Tenq around issues without directly addressing them.
Is the Quran 10:94 talking about origins of the word Bible or there is the claim by ANTIISLAM and supported or promulgated by you that Bible is distinctly mentioned in the Quran?

Why should I answer a question unrelated to the actual question? Did I claim to speak Greek? Oh I forget the Bible is a translation of a Greek written Bible to which it was translated from Hebrew, Aramaic or which ever Israelite language.

Is the Bible the only scripture used by the people before and more likely by some during the prophethood of Muhammad pbuh? Your friend SIRTEE15 clearly states Jesus reading a variant from the scrolls of Isaiah or are these scrolls too not scripture as the Book of Giants I mentioned earlier.

Too bad you and your lot failed to show Bible particularly written in the Quran.
Kindly stop your false claims.

Quran is telling you to make Bible that comprises Torah, Injeel, Psalms, etc as point of references when you're hopeless, clueless and moribund

Bible is the only Scripture used before and after the dead of Muhammad. It was after the demise of Muhammad your Quran was compiled

Ohyoudidnt:
Wikipedia says The Torah is the compilation of the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, namely the books of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. You related:



Is the Book of Isaiah amongst the first five books of the Hebrew Bible that make up the Torah? Do you not marvel at what you initially addressed me with in your statement quoted above in yourself? It is your primary scripture you are talking about and I should not point out this slip of yours to you. The scrolls of Isaiah are not a part of the Torah.

Says the Alfa of nairaland claiming authority over what he knows little or nothing about.
I will blind and embarrass you with facts.

I doubt you ve written any reviewed literature including lslamic ones yet had the effontry to say Wikipedia is wrong.

More from Britannica encyclopedia and even Jewish sources.

Ohyoudidnt:
Wikipedia says The Torah is the compilation of the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, namely the books of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. You related:



Is the Book of Isaiah amongst the first five books of the Hebrew Bible that make up the Torah? Do you not marvel at what you initially addressed me with in your statement quoted above in yourself? It is your primary scripture you are talking about and I should not point out this slip of yours to you. The scrolls of Isaiah are not a part of the Torah.



The Septuagint is a collection of Jewish scriptures that includes both canonical and non-canonical texts.

The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Septuagint contain different parts of the Scrolls of Isaiah

One of the most significant variations between the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Septuagint occurs in Isaiah 7:14, which is a well-known prophetic passage that is traditionally understood to foretell the birth of Jesus Christ. In the Hebrew text of the Dead Sea Scrolls, this verse reads, "Behold, the young woman is with child and shall bring forth a son," while the Septuagint version of the same verse translates it as, "Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son.

Ok seem U have some knowledge of Septuagint. The Septuagint is the greek translation of the Hebrew bible written by the Hellenistic Jews around 300bc.

Now if someone is writing the gospel in greek and wants to quota the scriptures, will he quote the greek bible or the Hebrew bible.
If he quotes the Hebrew bible, will the non Jew audience understand the verse he quoted?

It's like someone writing an islamic literature in English and wants to quote the Qur'an, will he quote the Arabic Qur'an or the English translation of the Arabic.

The gospel writers quoted the Septuagint bible because the gospel was written in Greek. Jesus wasn't misquoted by the gospel writers, they simply quoted the greek translation of the bible verse Jesus quoted.

The argument about textual variants in Septuagint and Masoretic or dead sea scrolls is beyond the cope of discussion here.
It takes a lot of discussion around evolution of linguistic etymology and transliteration of the ancient languages to other ones. U need to have sound scholastic knowledge to delve into that area.

The commonest example is the variants in English translation of the Qur'an that we have with each of using different vocabularies for same quranic verse which sometimes changes the meaning of the Qur'an verse altogether.

I don't have a problem discussing bible textual variants with U but U need to be well knowledge in the area or I will simply switch off.
I don't have a problem discussing textual variants

Ohyoudidnt:
These are clearly of the Torah but the knowledge Jesus has of this doesn't translate to him reading from the Torah as having scrolls in which it was written between his hands.

Stop lying, the Qur'an says Jesus held the Torah between his hands.

The question remain is the torah in the hand of Jesus a corrupt Torah or the true Torah.
That's the question U avoid and refused to answer.

Qur'an 5.47

And We sent on their footsteps Isa, son (of) Maryam, confirming what (was) between his hands of the Taurat, and We gave him the Injeel, in it (was) Guidance and light and confirming what (was) between his hands of the Taurat and a Guidance and an admonition for the God conscious.

Quran5.110
The Day] when Allāh will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit [i.e., the angel Gabriel] and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel;

Ohyoudidnt:
Matthew 4:4: When tempted by Satan in the wilderness, Jesus quotes Deuteronomy 8:3, saying, “Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.”
Matthew 19:18-19: In response to a rich young ruler asking what he must do to inherit eternal life, Jesus references Exodus 20:12-17 and Leviticus 19:18, stating, “You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not bear false witness, honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself.”
Mark 12:29-30: When asked which commandment is the most important, Jesus responds by quoting Deuteronomy 6:4-5, stating, “The most important one is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’”

These are clearly of the Torah but the knowledge Jesus has of this doesn't translate to him reading from the Torah as having scrolls in which it was written between his hands.

Jesus’ knowledge of the Torah is evident throughout the New Testament. He was born into a Jewish family and raised in a community that deeply valued and studied the Torah. As a result, Jesus was likely well-versed in its teachings from a young age. This familiarity is reflected in his discussions and debates with other religious leaders during his ministry.

Who asked U all these now🤷🤷🤷
Did I ever tell U I didn't know Jesus quote the Torah.

My question is the Torah known to Jesus Christ the true Torah or the corrupted Torah.

That's my question that Ohyoudidn't has refused to answer. A simple question of Yes or No has become problematic for Ohyoudidn't.

If U don't know the answer, call your muslims friends to help U.

THE TORAH KNOWN TO JESUS WHEN HE WAS PREACHING, IS IT THE TRUE TORAH OR THE CORRUPTED TORAH.

It's a simple question, don't fall my hand.

SIRTee15:
Who asked U all these now🤷🤷🤷
Did I ever tell U I didn't know Jesus quote the Torah.

My question is the Torah known to Jesus Christ the true Torah or the corrupted Torah.

That's my question that Ohyoudidn't has refused to answer. A simple question of Yes or No has become problematic for Ohyoudidn't.

If U don't know the answer, call your muslims friends to help U.

THE TORAH KNOWN TO JESUS WHEN HE WAS PREACHING, IS THE TRUE TORAH OR THE CORRUPTED TORAH.

It's a simple question, don't fall my hand.

The Torah known to Jesus or the Torah Jesus held between his hands? Which is It?

When you include a book that isn't part of the Torah in your statement that isn't it's no problem reminding you.

As it is it's best you ask Jesus as the selective Biblical canon is not free of human manipulation to determine what should and shouldn't be there.

The call on you was to help antiislam show the arabic that translates to Bible in Quran 10:94 but this wasn't seen. Thanks for your time and contributions.

Ohyoudidnt:
The Torah known to Jesus or the Torah Jesus held between his hands? Which is It?

When you include a book that isn't part of the Torah in your statement that isn't it's no problem reminding you.

As it is it's best you ask Jesus as the selective Biblical canon is not free of human manipulation to determine what should and shouldn't be there.

The call on you was to help antiislam show the arabic that translates to Bible in Quran 10:94 but this wasn't seen. Thanks for your time and contributions.

I already said for the sake of argument the Torah is the Pentateuch- the five book of Moses.
The Torah given to Moses by Allah. That's the one I'm asking about.

Why are U dribbling backwards. We passed that stage hours ago.

Now that U know the books I'm asking, can U PLEASE answer the question.

The Torah Jesus read and learnt when he was preaching. Is it the true Torah or the corrupted Torah?

Answer the question.

Regarding to your question
1 yes, Allah use to come down to the first heaven to listen to the cries of his servants.
2 yes Allah throne is above water in the seventh heaven.
3 Allah means,the only one true God worthy of worship.
I hope you are satisfied now.or are you the one to tell Allah how to run his affairs?

TenQ:
1. All my hadiths are quoted from translations as provided by your scholars in www.sunnah.com
2. All my Qur'an are quoted from your major translators except when the fraud of mistranslation is to be exposed.

Can you please help me with the proper translations of both the Qur'an and Hadiths that I quoted in page two of my writeup?


I wish salvation is deliverance from the pain of the cross but it isn't. Salvation is deliverance from the Judgement of Hell and that was what Jesus came from.



I hereby ask you some elementarily simple questions which you cannot answer truthfully :
1. Is it true or false that Allah comes down everyday at the third part of the night to listen to the prayers of you Muslims?
2. Is it true or false that the throne of Allah is over the waters above the seven heavens?
3. The God of the Jews and Christians is a Spirit and His name is Yahweh : Is the name of Allah Yahweh and is Allah a spirit?



Thank you

Lol.i know that it doesn't really matter what I have to say because u will still choose to disbelieve .Go and read the tafsir by in kathir if you care about the answers.pained unbelievers

ANTlISLAM:
I am pained for exposing your religion abi? These below Quran verses and hadith are self explanatory, if you have anything contrary to them you can explain to this honourable house

1.
The below hadith shows how allah disappointed the companions of Muhammad as allah couldn't raised him up. If you have anything contrary to this, explain to us

Sahih Bukhari 3667

Narrated ‘Aisha: (the wife of the Prophet) Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) died while Abu Bakr was at a place called As-Sunah (Al-‘Aliya) ‘Umar stood up and said, “By Allah! Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) is not dead!” ‘Umar (later on) said, “By Allah! Nothing occurred to my mind except that.” He said, “Verily! Allah will resurrect him and he will cut the hands and legs of some men.” Then Abu Bakr came and uncovered the face of Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ), kissed him and said, “Let my mother and father be sacrificed for you, (O Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ)), you are good in life and in death.

2.
The aorta of pedophile messenger of your majesty allah cut off while his allah is watching him dying a disgraceful death. If you know the life of Muhammad more than Sahih Bukhari just tell us



Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."
Sahih Bukhari 5:59:713


3.
Qran says Jesus Christ is alive but anything against this, tender your own assertion lobatan


4.
Your allah is misleading the general slaves (Muslims) astray. If you have anything against this, tell us

Quran 7:186

"Whoever Allah sends astray - there is no guide for him. And He leaves them in their transgression, wandering blindly."



Quran 4:88

What is [the matter] with you [that you are] two groups concerning the hypocrites, while Allāh has made them fall back [into error and disbelief] for what they earned. Do you wish to guide those whom Allāh has sent astray? And he whom Allāh sends astray - never will you find for him a way [of guidance].

ANTlISLAM:
Quran only mentioned but no where it is written that it was named by anyone. Now let's get back to the matter since you're gradually gaining your senses back

Bible is a sacred or Holy book that comprises both Torah and Injeel but asking who named it Bible is like asking who named Torah and Injeel

The author of quran with the league of your alfas and imams are only brainwashing you that Torah and Injeel are not the same Bible, but ask your chief imam that where is Injeel and Torah he will tell you that the Book is lost but to tell you how it get lost is to brainwashed you with another stupidity claims to make you happy

I think we are done with this, ask me another questions

SEe mumu you think I'm daft like you? How does this your gibrish answered my question now?

You should rather admit I don't know it than going left and right


It's surprising the Book have no name. I can see the word Bible only on the cover pages. Who name it Paul or Who??

The Word Quran is mentioned 70 times in the Holy Quran.

I do read Bible but am yet to see the Word Bible. Maybe I have not come across it, help me with it.

But if the word is not there, I don't need further theories and hypotheses that the Bible is Hebrew from then this and that bla bla bla... For all I need is the verse of the Bible.


The Holy Qur'an is also translated to English and that doesn't erase the word Qur'an.


Just answer simple question. Calm down and learn.

You must provide answer or keep shut forever

ANTlISLAM:
Quran is telling you to make Bible that comprises Torah, Injeel, Psalms, etc as point of references when you're hopeless, clueless and moribund

Bible is the only Scripture used before and after the dead of Muhammad. It was after the demise of Muhammad your Quran was compiled

Not as you put it Mr/Mrs or Ms. The verse doesn't explicitly say Bible or does It?

Your translation of the meaning reads If you are in any doubt concerning what We have sent down to you, then question those who have read the Book (Bible) before you: Truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be a waverer;but did you see other translations?

Samy Mahdy
So, if you were in suspicion about what We sent down to you. So, ask those who are reading the Book before you. Already the right has come to you from your Lord, so do not be among the skeptic ones.

Sayyid Qutb
If you are in doubt concerning what We have bestowed on you from on high, ask those who read the Scriptures [revealed] before you. It is surely the truth that has come to you from your Lord. Do not, then, be among the doubters.

Ahmed Hulusi
If you are in doubt about what We have revealed to you (o man) ask those who READ Our signs in the worlds before you! Indeed the Truth has come to you from your Rabb... So do not be of those who doubt!

Do any of them say Bible? NO as that word is not directly in that verse. Do all the former people believe in the Bible? I doubt the Jews then accepted much outside the Torah and Talmud.

Irving & Mohamed Hegab’s translation of these verses is: “If you (O Muhammad) are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you, then question those who read the Scripture (before you), verily, the Truth has come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt.”

This ttranslation is a faithful representation of the original Arabic text and conveys the same meaning as other translations. They translate “those who have read the scripture before you” as “those who read the Scripture (before you),” which is a valid translation of the Arabic phrase “alladhina atluna al-kitaba min qablika.”

The verse outwardly addresses the Prophet (SAW) but it implicitly addresses people in general. As Ibn Kathir says, this verse is to strengthen the faith of the Ummah by telling them that the qualities of the Prophet were in the previous revelations.

Ibn Kathir also narrates from the Prophet (SAW) that he said (in response to this verse):

Meaning, neither does the Prophet doubt in his revelation. And nor does he ask the People of the Book because he didn't doubt in the first place. Thus, this verse is for other people through the Prophet (SAW).

The meaning of "ask those who read the book before you" is to ask the Jews who believed about the qualities of the Prophet mentioned in their scriptures. Most tafasir give the example of Abdullah ibn Salam (RA).

Other people also give the meaning that we are told to ask them about the story of Musa and Pharaoh. This is because the Surah just before had mentioned that story.


Islam did not begin with Prophet Muhammad (SAW), rather, it is the final reinstatement of God’s universal message of mercy and guidance to humanity which has been sent down through many messengers to various peoples throughout the ages of the earth...

In Prophet Jesus’s revelations... •“I cannot do anything of myself. I judge as I hear and my judgement is honest because I am not seeking my own will but the will of the one who sent me” -John 5:30 •

“It is written, worship the Lord, your God, and serve him only” -Luke 4:8

•“None of those who call me Lord will enter the kingdom of God, but only the one who does the will of my father in Heaven” -Matthew 7:21
•“None knows about that day or the hour, not even those angels in heaven, not the son, only the father” -Mark 13:32

•“Our father in heaven, hallowed be your name, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven” -Matthew 6:9-10

Proof of Islam in Prophet David’s revelation.

”I will bow down toward your holy temple and praise your name for your unfailing love and for your faithfulness. For you have so exalted your solemn decree that it surpasses your fame. When I called, you answered me. You so greatly emboldened me.” -Psalm 138:2


Why do you say of Allah what he is not or didn't say?

Q2:75:Do you ˹believers still˺ expect them to be true to you, though a group of them would hear the word of Allah then knowingly corrupt it after understanding it?

Q2:174:Indeed, those who hide Allah’s revelations, trading them for a fleeting gain consume nothing but fire into their bellies. Allah will neither speak to them on the Day of Judgment, nor will He purify them. And they will suffer a painful punishment

Q3:78:There are some among them who distort the Book with their tongues to make you think this ˹distortion˺ is from the Book—but it is not what the Book says. They say, “It is from Allah”—but it is not from Allah. And ˹so˺ they attribute lies to Allah knowingly

On another note why do you persistently refuse to define teenage? Amused are you?😊

Then plainly refuse to research the age of Mary when she bore Jesus.

In art, Mother Mary is often portrayed as a fully grown woman. But how old was Mary when she had Jesus, really? Mary was actually a young teen when she gave birth to Jesus, historians believe. Just how young? Historians agree that Mary was most likely between 12 and 14 years old when Jesus was born.

It is not appropriate for someone who Allah has blessed with the Scripture, wisdom, and prophethood to say to people, “Worship me instead of Allah.” Rather, he would say, “Be devoted to the worship of your Lord ˹alone˺—by virtue of what you read in the Scripture and what you teach.”Q3:79

Emboldened is Tauhid or Monotheism.

SIRTee15:
I already said for the sake of argument the Torah is the Pentateuch- the five book of Moses.
The Torah given to Moses by Allah. That's the one I'm asking about.

Why are U dribbling backwards. We passed that stage hours ago.

Now that U know the books I'm asking, can U PLEASE answer the question.

The Torah Jesus read and learnt when he was preaching. Is it the true Torah or the corrupted Torah?

Answer the question.

I don't know what he learned and read from the priests and elders whom he challenged but he knew the truth by divine endowment. Recall Quran 19:30

Qaala innee ‘abdullaahi aataaniyal Kitaaba wa ja’alanee Nabiyyaa

He (Jesus) said, “I am the servant of God. He has given me the Scripture, and made me a prophet.

SIRTee15:
Stop lying, the Qur'an says Jesus held the Torah between his hands.

The question remain is the torah in the hand of Jesus a corrupt Torah or the true Torah.
That's the question U avoid and refused to answer.

Qur'an 5.47

And We sent on their footsteps Isa, son (of) Maryam, confirming what (was) between his hands of the Taurat, and We gave him the Injeel, in it (was) Guidance and light and confirming what (was) between his hands of the Taurat and a Guidance and an admonition for the God conscious.

Quran5.110
The Day] when Allāh will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit [i.e., the angel Gabriel] and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel;

The limits or is it dangers of strictly relying on translations.

The Arabic phrase “بَيۡنَ يَدَيۡهِ” Bayna yadayhi is used in the Quran to refer to something that was revealed or given beforehand. In this context, it signifies the previous revelations or scriptures that were sent down by Allah before the Quran. Therefore, a more accurate translation of this phrase in Quran 5:46 would be “what was revealed before.”

This translation emphasizes the continuity and interconnectedness of the divine messages throughout history, highlighting the belief in the unity of all prophets and scriptures. It underscores the idea that the Quran does not negate the teachings of previous revelations but rather confirms and completes them.

By using the phrase “بَيۡنَ يَدَيۡهِ,” the Quran acknowledges the existence of earlier scriptures such as the Torah and the Gospel, recognizing them as legitimate sources of guidance from Allah. This inclusive approach reinforces the concept of a universal message that transcends time and space, uniting believers across different faith traditions.

in the verse 5:46, the phrase "بَيۡنَ يَدَيۡهِ" occurs, which can be translated as "what is between your hands" or "what was revealed before". This phrase is used in reference to the previous scriptures revealed by Allah before the Quran. It serves as a reminder to believers that the message of the Quran is not something new or different, but a continuation of the divine guidance that has been sent down to mankind throughout history.

The Quran acknowledges the existence of previous scriptures, such as the Torah, the Psalms and the Gospel, which were revealed to earlier prophets like Moses, David and Jesus. These scriptures contained valuable guidance and teachings for their respective communities, but over time they were either lost, corrupted, or misunderstood by people. This is why Allah sent the Quran as a final and complete revelation, to correct any errors and provide a clear and unadulterated message for all of humanity.

By using the phrase "بَيۡنَ يَدَيۡهِ", the Quran emphasizes the continuity and interconnectedness of the divine revelations. It tells believers that the Quran is not a standalone scripture, but a confirmation and a culmination of the previous scriptures. It is a reminder that the fundamental message of all the prophets, from Adam to Muhammad, has always been the same: to worship Allah alone and to live a righteous and just life.

SIRTee15:
Quran5.110
The Day] when Allāh will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit [i.e., the angel Gabriel] and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel;

إِذۡ قَالَ ٱللَّهُ يَٰعِيسَى ٱبۡنَ مَرۡيَمَ ٱذۡكُرۡ نِعۡمَتِي عَلَيۡكَ وَعَلَىٰ وَٰلِدَتِكَ إِذۡ أَيَّدتُّكَ بِرُوحِ ٱلۡقُدُسِ تُكَلِّمُ ٱلنَّاسَ فِي ٱلۡمَهۡدِ وَكَهۡلًا ۖ وَإِذۡ عَلَّمۡتُكَ ٱلۡكِتَٰبَ وَٱلۡحِكۡمَةَ وَٱلتَّوۡرَىٰةَ وَٱلۡإِنجِيلَ ۖ وَإِذۡ تَخۡلُقُ مِنَ ٱلطِّينِ كَهَيۡئَةِ ٱلطَّيۡرِ بِإِذۡنِي فَتَنفُخُ فِيهَا فَتَكُونُ طَيۡرَۢا بِإِذۡنِي ۖ وَتُبۡرِئُ ٱلۡأَكۡمَهَ وَٱلۡأَبۡرَصَ بِإِذۡنِي ۖ وَإِذۡ تُخۡرِجُ ٱلۡمَوۡتَىٰ بِإِذۡنِي ۖ وَإِذۡ كَفَفۡتُ بَنِيٓ إِسۡرَٰٓءِيلَ عَنكَ إِذۡ جِئۡتَهُم بِٱلۡبَيِّنَٰتِ فَقَالَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِنۡهُمۡ إِنۡ هَٰذَآ إِلَّا سِحۡرٞ مُّبِينٞ
"Mention, when God said, ‘O Jesus, son of Mary, remember My favour to you and to your mother, be thankful for it; when I strengthened you with the Holy Spirit, Gabriel, to speak to people (tukallimu’l-nāsa is a circumstantial qualifier referring to the [suffixed pronoun] kāf in ayyadtu-ka) in the cradle, that is, as a child, and in maturity — this implies that he will descend before the Hour, since he was raised up [to God] before middle age, as has already been mentioned in [sūrat] Āl ‘Imrān [Q. 3:55], and when I taught you the Scripture, and wisdom, and the Torah, and the Gospel; and how you create out of clay the likeness (ka-hay’at: the kāf here functions like a noun and is a direct object), the image, of a bird by My permission, and you breathe into it and it becomes a bird by My permission, by My will, and you heal the blind and the leper by My permission, and you raise the dead, from their graves back to life, by My permission; and how I restrained the Children of Israel from you, when they intended to kill you, when you brought them clear proofs, miracles, and the disbelievers among them said, “This, what you have done, is nothing but manifest sorcery” (a variant reading [for sihrun, ‘sorcery’] has sāhirun, ‘sorcerer’, in other words, [he] Jesus [is nothing but a manifest sorcerer])."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 110)
Qur'an English https://quran-en.com

Note:
كتابة
kitaba
Noun​writing,lettering,inscription,script,handwriting

Ohyoudidnt:
I don't know what he learned and read from the priests and elders whom he challenged but he knew the truth by divine endowment. Recall Quran 19:30

So are U saying the Torah in the hands of the priest and elders in the synagogues during the time of jesus was corrupted. Is that your answer.

Ohyoudidnt:
Qaala innee ‘abdullaahi aataaniyal Kitaaba wa ja’alanee Nabiyyaa

He (Jesus) said, “I am the servant of God. He has given me the Scripture, and made me a prophet.

Are U saying Allah give Jesus another new Torah, is that what U saying here.
As far I'm aware the scripture Allah gave Jesus of the Koran was the injeel. Qur'an never said said Jesus of the Koran was given the Torah.

Good for your honest answers :

My first Question :
1. Is it true or false that Allah comes down everyday at the third part of the night to listen to the prayers of you Muslims?

Ahmadusmanu:
Regarding to your question
1 yes, Allah use to come down to the first heaven to listen to the cries of his servants.

If this is true:
It means that Allah is permanently trapped in the first heaven as the earth is spherical and thus there is always a place on the earth at the third part of the night.
Is this untrue?


My second Question :
2. Is it true or false that the throne of Allah is over the waters above the seven heavens?

Ahmadusmanu:
2 yes Allah throne is above water in the seventh heaven.

If this is true:
It means that Allah CANNOT come down or descend to the lowest heaven and still be up on his throne above the waters at the same time. The implication is that Allah is not omnipresent
What is the meaning of descent?


My third Question :
3. The God of the Jews and Christians is a Spirit and His name is Yahweh : Is the name of Allah Yahweh and is Allah a spirit?

Ahmadusmanu:
3 Allah means,the only one true God worthy of worship.
I hope you are satisfied now.or are you the one to tell Allah how to run his affairs?

This was not the question: the question is, Is Allah a RUH (Spirit). The God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses is a Spirit.

Allah does not mean the only true God, Allah is the NAME of the God of the Muslims. Is the name of the God of the Jews or Christians Allah?


Some weakness in the doctrine of Taoheed presented above for you

SIRTee15:
So are U saying the Torah in the hands of the priest and elders in the synagogues during the time of jesus was corrupted. Is that your answer.

Are U saying Allah give Jesus another new Torah, is that what U saying here.
As far I'm aware the scripture Allah gave Jesus of the Koran was the injeel. Qur'an never said said Jesus of the Koran was given the Torah.

I clearly say I don't know. The Bible says Jesus had debates and rebuking with them. As to what extent I cannot be sure if it was just them saying what they don't do or a case of also changing content

Ohyoudidnt:
The limits or is it dangers of strictly relying on translations.

The Arabic phrase “بَيۡنَ يَدَيۡهِ” Bayna yadayhi is used in the Quran to refer to something that was revealed or given beforehand. In this context, it signifies the previous revelations or scriptures that were sent down by Allah before the Quran. Therefore, a more accurate translation of this phrase in Quran 5:46 would be “what was revealed before.”

This translation emphasizes the continuity and interconnectedness of the divine messages throughout history, highlighting the belief in the unity of all prophets and scriptures. It underscores the idea that the Quran does not negate the teachings of previous revelations but rather confirms and completes them.

By using the phrase “بَيۡنَ يَدَيۡهِ,” the Quran acknowledges the existence of earlier scriptures such as the Torah and the Gospel, recognizing them as legitimate sources of guidance from Allah. This inclusive approach reinforces the concept of a universal message that transcends time and space, uniting believers across different faith traditions.

in the verse 5:46, the phrase "بَيۡنَ يَدَيۡهِ" occurs, which can be translated as "what is between your hands" or "what was revealed before". This phrase is used in reference to the previous scriptures revealed by Allah before the Quran. It serves as a reminder to believers that the message of the Quran is not something new or different, but a continuation of the divine guidance that has been sent down to mankind throughout history.

The Quran acknowledges the existence of previous scriptures, such as the Torah, the Psalms and the Gospel, which were revealed to earlier prophets like Moses, David and Jesus. These scriptures contained valuable guidance and teachings for their respective communities, but over time they were either lost, corrupted, or misunderstood by people. This is why Allah sent the Quran as a final and complete revelation, to correct any errors and provide a clear and unadulterated message for all of humanity.

By using the phrase "بَيۡنَ يَدَيۡهِ", the Quran emphasizes the continuity and interconnectedness of the divine revelations. It tells believers that the Quran is not a standalone scripture, but a confirmation and a culmination of the previous scriptures. It is a reminder that the fundamental message of all the prophets, from Adam to Muhammad, has always been the same: to worship Allah alone and to live a righteous and just life.

So U already acknowledged the translation wasnt wrong. And that the Arabic phrase in 5.46 could mean that which is held between the hand.
So what's the danger of translation U talking about?
Sam shamoun already dealt with these verse with islamic scholars and clearly proved it meant 'that which is placed between the hand'.
FYI Sam is a native Arabic speaker so U can't bobo him.

Jesus of the Koran held the Torah in his hand...pure and simple.

The question is did Jesus hold a corrupted Torah or the true torah. U are yet to answer that question.

SIRTee15:
So U already acknowledged the translation wasnt wrong. And that the Arabic phrase in 5.46 could mean that which is held between the hand.
So what's the danger of translation U talking about?
Sam shamoun already dealt with these verse with islamic scholars and clearly proved it meant 'that which is placed between the hand'.
FYI Sam is a native Arabic speaker so U can't bobo him.

Jesus of the Koran held the Torah in his hand...pure and simple.

The question is did Jesus hold a corrupted Torah or the true torah. U are yet to answer that question.

As you mentioned in your earlier post regarding the Torah there individual copies of scripture were not prominent in Israel and though over 600 years after why will you expect copies to be common in Mecca when parts of the recitation were scribbled on tree backs, animal skin, rocks etc?

You see the challenge with accepting a book between hands and not revelation?


I don't follow Sam Shamoun but you may want to drop notes about his points or arguments.

Ohyoudidnt:
I clearly say I don't know. The Bible says Jesus had debates and rebuking with them. As to what extent I cannot be sure if it was just them saying what they don't do or a case of also changing content

The answer is clearly in the bible.

Matthew 23

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4

Here Jesus made it clear that the priests and scribe preach from the Torah, thus people must listen to them. This indicate the Torah with the Pharisee is the true Torah!!!
Jesus only accused the Pharisee of not doing what is the torah itself.

I know u Muslims claim the bible is corrupt. That's why I'm now asking U if the Torah Jesus preached from is the true one or the corrupted one.

That answer is very important because the integrity of the Qur'an depends on your response.