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Ohyoudidnt:
Didn't I show you before?



Show me the arabic equivalent for Bible and stop trying to force falsehood about the Quran

From fry pan to fire should we now turn this class to Arabic lecture abi

This is the second time I'm asking you this don't tell me allah has blindfolded you to be able to see the question

The Arabic translation you typed above, if at all you understand Arabic which scripture is it talking about?

How old was Mary when she gave birth to Jesus Christ (Quran or Hadith reference is allowed)

Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus Christ, why did Muhammad had sex with his 9yr old grand daughter? Is that not craziness

Ohyoudidnt:
Obviously a wannabe Christian apologists or apolegetic says things he doesn't know.
Do you not see this in Quran 10:94?

فَاِنۡ كُنۡتَ فِىۡ شَكٍّ مِّمَّاۤ اَنۡزَلۡنَاۤ اِلَيۡكَ فَسۡــَٔلِ الَّذِيۡ يَقۡرَءُوۡنَ الۡكِتٰبَمِنۡ قَبۡلِكَ‌ۚ لَقَدۡ جَآءَكَ الۡحَقُّ مِنۡ رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُوۡنَنَّ مِنَ الۡمُمۡتَرِيۡنَۙ‏




Highlighted at least you can appreciate similar letters. Someone who doesn't know following and copying. Mr follow open eye and open sense please.



You now deny the tales you are hopelessly trying to tell on what you don't know. Show the exact arabic for Bible in Quran 10:94 you hopelessly cannot and your brethren who I called on your behalf can't either.



Too elementary. Didn't I even give you a word for word translation earlier on?



Confidently spewing baseless and fraudulent statements. I guess this is how you went about corrupting your books.

Breaking news! It won't work here.

Shey na me be the author of your hoely Quran because I yamu not understand

As I don turn the class to the language (arabic) allah understood, which scripture is the verse talking about?

Or you no no Arabic word for Scripture make I help you out??

Ohyoudidnt:
Ok.

1. In regards to the concept of father is this different from the position of a fatherly creator and protector not biological?

Is this not but the concept of God as Father in a symbolic, national way? The term “father” is used to describe God’s role as the creator and protector of Israel.

Deuteronomy 32:6, where Moses sings to the Israelites: “Is not He your Father who bought you? He made you and established you.” Here, God is depicted as the one who purchased and created the Israelites, signifying His role as their divine father.

Is there not an attempt to exaggerate the position of the father? A reason why the priests and elders were pertubed with the Biblical claim of Jesus calling God his father in a way that was outside their understanding?

Do you not understand the soothing God gave David in 2 Samuel 7
12 When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom.
13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.

14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands.
(Is God being a father to Solomon as David is/was to him?)

15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you

You emphasise the differences such as the people of old were one and united until some knowledge came to some and they started to compete and grow arrogant to one another.

In anycase does Islam and Muhammad not proclaim a singular omnipotent omnipresent creator supreme being?
One who created and sustains the world with all in and about it. The plants, animals, the land, rocks etc as well as weather alterations.

Is there no similitude in reports of the prophets and people of old such as Adam, Noah, Moses, Joseph, David, John the Baptist, the virgin birth of Jesus?

The existence of hell and heaven?

The indisputable coming of a judgement

The rewards and rebukes for disobedience and immorality in negation to divine guidance

The bottom line is, there is a CONTRADICTION ! God of the Christians and Jews call us His children (of course by adoption) and this is different for Allah

Qur'an 5:18
And (both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are the children of Allah and His loved ones." Say: "Why then does He punish you for your sins?" Nay, you are but human beings, of those He has created, He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and to Him is the return (of all).

And the argument betrays that the writer is not God.
Do even earthly father's discipline their children who they love dearly?

Do you concur that fathers don't discipline their children if truly they are the father?

Compare with
Prov 3:11-12:
"My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction: For whom the LORD loves he corrects; even as a father the son in whom he delights."

God chastizes or punishes whom he loves here on earth for correction

Ohyoudidnt:
2. You limit and insult your God by calling him just a spirit? Isn't God far beyond that or you prefer this spirit living and carried about in tents

2 Samuel 7:
6 I have not dwelt in a house from the day I brought the Israelites up out of Egypt to this day. I have been moving from place to place with a tent as my dwelling.

Your god dwells in a carry about tent like a wandering homeless?


Yes a point of irrefutable dispute that also divides you Christians from the religious practices and tradition of the Jews which Jesus asked you to obey?
A historically unverifiable claim of a resurrection despite the scripture clearly stating it's appointed for man to die once? Inconsistent biblical accounts or the death of the anointed in order to promote him to a god partner in a weird move to polytheist belief?

If only you or your prophet or Allah know what a Spirit is you will not present this terrible argument.

A Spirit is a non-physical Living Being whose influence can be felt. The Hebrew word is Ruach (Ruh in Arabic) from the root Wind.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is an infinite Spirit. The whole of the Universe (seen and unseen) are inside Him.
Acts 17:28:
"For in him we live, and move, and have our being;...
This is why God is Omnipresent (He is EVERYWHERE in Heaven and in Universe at the same time)

Unfortunately, Allah is not a spirit: thus he has to decend to the lowest heavens and his throne is located above the highest heavens.

Ohyoudidnt:
4. What really does it mean to be Born again? Kindly explain so I can respond.

To be Born again is to Depend upon God's prescribed solution for the Solution of the infection of Sin, Becoming Gods own child and entering Paradise.

This is how Jesus defined being Born Again :
John 3:14-18:
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up : That whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

To understand this, you need to go to the Torah to see what happen that Moses had to hang a bronze snake in the wilderness
Numbers 21:6-9
1. The children of Israel sinned against God
2. It led to the consequence of the Judgement of snake bites leading to death
3. The elders of Israel recognised that this snakes were judgement from God thus the asked Moses to go intercede for them with God
4. Moses pleaded the case of the Elders of Israel with God BUT God decides NOT to remove the snakes even though He forgives them.
5. God now instructs Moses:
a. Make a Bronze Snake
b. Hang it on a wooden Pole in the middle of the camp of Israel
c. The one who is bitten by the snake should come out and LOOK at the bronze snake
d. Because such a person Believes in the SOLUTION provided by God, such a person would not perish but LIVE!

Jesus said:
Just as Moses hung a serpent in the wilderness, so also He would be hung on the tree. If ANYONE believes in God's solution and instruction, such would enter Paradise.
This is the person who is Born Again.
Eternal separation from God has passed over him because such is given a new Life.

The consequence is that such a person is SEALED with God's Spirit (thus making him a child of God)
John 1:12-13:
"But as many as received him, to them He gave power to become the sons of God , even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

A person who is Born Again is required to produce the fruit of a changed Life in
1. Love for God and Love for his neighbour
2. Living a life of Purity and Service to God

If these fruit is lacking in the life of any Christian, one should doubt his claim of being Born Again

Because Jesus said:
Mat 7:15-18,20-21:
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. … Why by their fruits you shall know them. Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven."


Unfortunately,
1. Islam says Jesus did not die on the cross
2. Islam does not know the purpose of the Messiah
3. Islam created another means of salvation which lacks any guarantee
4. Islam says ALL Muslims will enter Hell fire but later they will be removed
5. Islam rejects God's solution for salvation from the Fire of Hell.

Ohyoudidnt:
What doctrine did Jesus preach that is at variance with Muhammad's pbuh?

1. Jesus called Himself the Son of God which Islam contradicts
2. Jesus gave us the power to becomes God's children, which Islam contradicts
3. Jesus says in Heaven (paradise) , we shall not marry wives as we shall all be like Angels, but Islam says we will marry Houri and even women from the inmates of Hell
4. Jesus said that He is the WAY, the Truth and the LIFE and NO ONE can enter Paradise without Him.
John 14:6:
"Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."

Ohyoudidnt:
Did he not say hear o Israel your God is one;Mark 12:29, and go on to state that no laws of God in the Torah will be abolished?

Even though, you Muslims know fully well that no Christian ever claim two or three God's but you definitely need the Strawman to keep up the rhetorics.

According to Islam
Is Jesus the Word of Allah?
Is Jesus a Spirit from Allah?
Is Jesus a Messanger of Allah?
Do we have three Jesus in Islam?

If you don't Understand Trinity or it looks illogical to you, I will gladly oblige you.

1. God as the Father is in the Spiritual Realm called Heaven
2. God as the Holy Spirit is Everywhere in space and time both in the Physical and Spiritual Realm
3. God as the Word is Sent to Anywhere in space and time both in the Physical and Spiritual Realm where God's will has to be established

As Muslims, you claim that God is unlike anything yet you are the first to box Allah into the limitation of Satan.

*Is it untrue that Satan is One?
*Satan is NOT Omnipresent (how can God descend from his throne to the lowest heaven) and still be on his throne in heaven?

Ohyoudidnt:
When a pure substance is adulterated does it mean nothing of the original substance remains?

A tiny Poison in the richest food make the food Poisonous
A tiny excrement in a Gold cup make the cup unfit for drinking!

Only if this little poison is expunged before the food can be safely eaten.

Only if the tiniest trace of the excrement is removed and the vessel disinfected can the gold cup be fit for use.







I still ask you the question :
Did Allah make a mistake in sending Jesus to the earth as a prophet?
1. Jesus creates life like Allah
2. Jesus healed the sick
3. Jesus gave eyes to the Blind
4. Jesus was born of a virgin :why?
5. Jesus is not dead but in heaven: why?
6. Jesus even know the thought of men (what you hide in your room)

However, the followers of Jesus (2.4 billions) are almost half the population of the world : and all believe that Jesus DIED on the cross, RESURRECTED from the dead, ASSENDED physically to HEAVEN and is COMING BACK to Judge the Earth.
All these was caused by Allah according to the Qur'an

Did Allah make a mistake in sending Jesus to the earth as a prophet?

ahmedio2017:
Answer my question first oga




Once you can't answer the question stop quoting unnecessarily.....


It's surprising the Book have no name. I can see the word Bible only on the cover pages. Who name it Paul or Who??

The Word Quran is mentioned 70 times in the Holy Quran.

I do read Bible but am yet to see the Word Bible. Maybe I have not come across it, help me with it.

But if the word is not there, I don't need further theories and hypotheses that the Bible is Hebrew from then this and that bla bla bla... For all I need is the verse of the Bible.


The Holy Qur'an is also translated to English and that doesn't erase the word Qur'an.


Just answer simple question. Calm down and learn.

You must provide answer or keep shut forever


God/Allah is one. And that's all. Your own god is three in one no one disputing that with u guys.

You guys should stay on ur lane.....

You are simply a noise maker.

Allah has over 124,000 prophets with books and you cannot find just one example other than the Qur'an where Allah gave a name to the book!?

For your information Iblis is ONE too o!
Explain what is special with that?

ANTlISLAM:
Servant is different from slave. You're allah's slave and not servant




HERE IS THE ANSWER AGAIN, SHEY YOU ALWAYS LOST YOUR SIGHT ORGAN WHILE FASTING


Bible is a sacred or Holy book that comprises Torah, Injeel, Psalms, etc but asking who named it Bible is like asking who named Torah and Injeel


You're a disgrace to humanity and Islam at large. You're free to ask me another suitable question now that you are clueless

You are a disgrace to ur entire generation. Honestly you don't know what you are saying. Torah and injeel is 2 different books given to respective prophets. Bible is another book on it own comprises of Genesis, songs bla bla bla


Who revealed Bible, who compiled Bible? Why is the name Bible not found in the bible. You must get sense by fire by force. Omo ale Omo.


What is servant and what is slave ?

RightChannel:
What is Torah and what is Injeel?

They are both word of God given to respect prophets. God has nothing to do with Bible, Paul is the author of Bible.

And equally the founder of Christianity....

ahmedio2017:
They are both word of God given to respect prophets. God has nothing to do with Bible, Paul is the author of Bible.

And equally the founder of Christianity....

Is this your statement a Fabrication or
1. It is a statement from Allah
2. It is a statement of Mohammed
3. It is a statement from the early Islamic scholars like Ibn Kathir, Al-Maududi, Al-Qurtubi, Aisha your mother, Uthman, Al-Tabari, Ibn Abbas etc

What is your source?

TenQ:
The bottom line is, there is a CONTRADICTION ! God of the Christians and Jews call us His children (of course by adoption) and this is different for Allah

Qur'an 5:18
And (both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are the children of Allah and His loved ones." Say: "Why then does He punish you for your sins?" Nay, you are but human beings, of those He has created, He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and to Him is the return (of all).

And the argument betrays that the writer is not God.
Do even earthly father's discipline their children who they love dearly?

Do you concur that fathers don't discipline their children if truly they are the father?

Compare with
Prov 3:11-12:
"My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction: For whom the LORD loves he corrects; even as a father the son in whom he delights."

God chastizes or punishes whom he loves here on earth for correction

Tenq is indeed making great attempts to remake the Christian doctrine.
Does the Bible you follow not record Jesus saying:

Matthew 15:9: “But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
In context from verse 7: Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8[b]This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me[/b].
This verse implies that religious leaders sometimes prioritize their own teachings over divine revelation.

Is Tenq lying that the Biblical God created hell in vain and people will not be punished for eternity there?

Do you feign to forget or actually are unaware that in Matthew 25:41, Jesus says, “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.? This verse indicates that hell is a real place of punishment for those who do not follow God’s ways.

Furthermore, in the Gospel of Mark 9:43-48, Jesus speaks about hell as a place where “the fire never goes out” and where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth.” This imagery emphasizes the eternal nature of hell and the suffering that awaits those who are condemned to it.

Elsewhere in Matthew 23:2-3, Jesus tells his followers: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.” This passage suggests that religious leaders may not always practice what they preach.

In John 5:39-40, Jesus directly addresses the issue of scriptural interpretation by saying: “Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.”

This verse suggests that some religious leaders misinterpret or misunderstand scripture because they fail to recognize its ultimate purpose and message.

Do you say God's chastisement in only on earth for correction why then is it there that Jesus says in
Matthew 25:46: Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life?

The Bible emphasizes correction and discipline on earth as a form of chastisement from God, it also alludes to the idea that there are eternal consequences and judgments that extend beyond earthly life.

Do you claim that Earthly father's don't discipline their erring children in a loving correcting manner?

That is to say Proverbs 13:24 is the devil printer's error
Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.

TenQ please don't for the sake of debate peddle falsehood.

You see how your arguments are wrong with respect to the Quran verse you use.
A loving father will lovingly guide but diligently discipline a child to keep on the appropriate part.

TenQ:
If only you or your prophet or Allah know what a Spirit is you will not present this terrible argument.

A Spirit is a non-physical Living Being whose influence can be felt. The Hebrew word is Ruach (Ruh in Arabic) from the root Wind.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is an infinite Spirit. The whole of the Universe (seen and unseen) are inside Him.
Acts 17:28:
"For in him we live, and move, and have our being;...
This is why God is Omnipresent (He is EVERYWHERE in Heaven and in Universe at the same time)

Unfortunately, Allah is not a spirit: thus he has to decend to the lowest heavens and his throne is located above the highest heavens.

Throughout the Bible, God is described as omnipotent (all-powerful), omniscient (all-knowing), omnipresent (present everywhere), eternal (without beginning or end), loving, just, merciful, and many other attributes. These characteristics go beyond just being a spirit and demonstrate the complexity and depth of God’s nature.

Was it a spirit that wrestled with Jacob? Appeared to Abraham as 3. instances of God interacting with humanity in personal ways. From walking with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden to speaking to prophets like Moses and Elijah, God’s interactions with people show a relational aspect that goes beyond just being a spirit.

The theologian Matthew Fox emphasizes that God is not merely a spirit but rather a dynamic energy that permeates and animates all of creation.

TenQ:
To be Born again is to Depend upon God's prescribed solution for the Solution of the infection of Sin, Becoming Gods own child and entering Paradise.

This is how Jesus defined being Born Again :
John 3:14-18:
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up : That whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

To understand this, you need to go to the Torah to see what happen that Moses had to hang a bronze snake in the wilderness
Numbers 21:6-9
1. The children of Israel sinned against God
2. It led to the consequence of the Judgement of snake bites leading to death
3. The elders of Israel recognised that this snakes were judgement from God thus the asked Moses to go intercede for them with God
4. Moses pleaded the case of the Elders of Israel with God BUT God decides NOT to remove the snakes even though He forgives them.
5. God now instructs Moses:
a. Make a Bronze Snake
b. Hang it on a wooden Pole in the middle of the camp of Israel
c. The one who is bitten by the snake should come out and LOOK at the bronze snake
d. Because such a person Believes in the SOLUTION provided by God, such a person would not perish but LIVE!

Jesus said:
Just as Moses hung a serpent in the wilderness, so also He would be hung on the tree. If ANYONE believes in God's solution and instruction, such would enter Paradise.
This is the person who is Born Again.
Eternal separation from God has passed over him because such is given a new Life.

The consequence is that such a person is SEALED with God's Spirit (thus making him a child of God)
John 1:12-13:
"But as many as received him, to them He gave power to become the sons of God , even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

A person who is Born Again is required to produce the fruit of a changed Life in
1. Love for God and Love for his neighbour
2. Living a life of Purity and Service to God

If these fruit is lacking in the life of any Christian, one should doubt his claim of being Born Again

Because Jesus said:
Mat 7:15-18,20-21:
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. … Why by their fruits you shall know them. Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven."
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So much literature yet you didn't give an absolute definition of Born again. 🤔😓😥

In John 3:3-7 Jesus says to Nicodemus: “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” Nicodemus is confused by this statement, thinking it means being physically born a second time. Jesus clarifies that he is talking about a spiritual rebirth, saying, “Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.”

The idea of being born again is central to Christian belief and is associated with [b]conversion, repentance, and a new life in Christ. [/b]It signifies a transformation of the individual’s heart and soul through faith in Jesus Christ. This spiritual rebirth is seen as essential for salvation and eternal life according to Christian doctrine.

Note conversion stated first here. Conversion from polytheism, disobedience, immorality etc. Then repentance in the sense of acknowledging wrong doing and keeping away from such. The new life Christians stems from having faith in Jesus and following his teachings to be righteous.

Seems I conceptualized this better than you or didn't I?

Will need to answer the rest in a follow up. So many attachments to each point.

ANTlISLAM:
Shey na me be the author of your hoely Quran because I yamu not understand

As I don turn the class to the language (arabic) allah understood, which scripture is the verse talking about?

Or you no no Arabic word for Scripture make I help you out??

Your lies are catching up with you? Why say what you don't know? Why state falsehood?

John 8:31-32:
If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

Matthew 12:36-37:
I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.

Matthew 15:18-20:
But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person.


[size=14pt]T. B. Irving, The Qur'an: The First
American Version; Translated and
Commentary (1985[/size])

110 Jonah XI, 10:94 (x)

* If you are in any doubt concerning what We have sent down to you,
then question those who have read the Book before you: Truth has come
to you from your Lord, so do not be a waverer;

** do not be someone
who rejects God's signs, so you [turn out to] be a loser.

* Those against whom your Lord's word has been confirmed will never believe until they see painful torment, even though every sign should be brought them.

*If only there had been a town which believed and whose faith had benefited it besides Jonah’s people. Once they believed, We lifted the torment of
shame from them during worldly life and let them enjoy things for a
while.

* If your Lord had so wished, everyone on earth would have believed, all of them together!
So will you force mankind to become believers?

*** It is not up to any soul to believe unless it [happens] with God's permission; He places a blight
on those who do not use their reason.

* sav: “Look at whatever [exists] in
Heaven and Earth, Signs and warning do not benefit any people who do
not believe.

* Do they expect anything except days like the ones which happened to
those who passed away before them? sav: “So wait; I am one of those
waiting alongside you.”

* Then We will save Our messengers and those who believe; it is thus right for Us to save believers!

(x1) * sax: “Mankind, if you are in any doubt concerning my religion,
well, I do not serve those whom you serve instead of God but rather I
worship God [Alone], Who will gather you (all) in.

I am commanded to be a believer: **

*Keep your face set towards religion, seeking [God] righteously and do not be an associator

* nor appeal to something that will neither benefit nor harm you, instead of to God [Alone]. If you
should do so you would then be a wrongdoer.”

* If God should afflict you with any trouble, there is no one to remove it except Him, while if He wants some good for you, there is no one who can spurn His bounty, He strikes any of His servants He wants to with it. He is the ever living, the Merciful!

© “Mankind, Truth has come to you from your Lord! Anyone who accepts guidance is guided only for his own sake while anyone who strays away, will only become lost at his own risk. I am no custodian set up over you

* Follow whatever has been inspired in you and be patient until God
judges, for He is the best Judge.

TenQ:
You are simply a noise maker.

Allah has over 124,000 prophets with books and you cannot find just one example other than the Qur'an where Allah gave a name to the book!?

For your information Iblis is ONE too o!
Explain what is special with that?

Iblis is one just as you too are. Neither of you created or sustains anything nor has any power to do anything except what Allah grant you.

Were the Torah, Injil and Zabur not names given?

Ohyoudidnt:
Your lies are catching up with you? Why say what you don't know? Why state falsehood?

John 8:31-32:
If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

Matthew 12:36-37:
I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.

Matthew 15:18-20:
But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person.


[size=14pt]T. B. Irving, The Qur'an: The First
American Version; Translated and
Commentary (1985[/size])

110 Jonah XI, 10:94 (x)

* If you are in any doubt concerning what We have sent down to you,
then question those who have read the Book before you: Truth has come
to you from your Lord, so do not be a waverer;

** do not be someone
who rejects God's signs, so you [turn out to] be a loser.

* Those against whom your Lord's word has been confirmed will never believe until they see painful torment, even though every sign should be brought them.

*If only there had been a town which believed and whose faith had benefited it besides Jonah’s people. Once they believed, We lifted the torment of
shame from them during worldly life and let them enjoy things for a
while.

* If your Lord had so wished, everyone on earth would have believed, all of them together!
So will you force mankind to become believers?

*** It is not up to any soul to believe unless it [happens] with God's permission; He places a blight
on those who do not use their reason.

* sav: “Look at whatever [exists] in
Heaven and Earth, Signs and warning do not benefit any people who do
not believe.

* Do they expect anything except days like the ones which happened to
those who passed away before them? sav: “So wait; I am one of those
waiting alongside you.”

* Then We will save Our messengers and those who believe; it is thus right for Us to save believers!

(x1) * sax: “Mankind, if you are in any doubt concerning my religion,
well, I do not serve those whom you serve instead of God but rather I
worship God [Alone], Who will gather you (all) in.

I am commanded to be a believer: **

*Keep your face set towards religion, seeking [God] righteously and do not be an associator

* nor appeal to something that will neither benefit nor harm you, instead of to God [Alone]. If you
should do so you would then be a wrongdoer.”

* If God should afflict you with any trouble, there is no one to remove it except Him, while if He wants some good for you, there is no one who can spurn His bounty, He strikes any of His servants He wants to with it. He is the ever living, the Merciful!

© “Mankind, Truth has come to you from your Lord! Anyone who accepts guidance is guided only for his own sake while anyone who strays away, will only become lost at his own risk. I am no custodian set up over you

* Follow whatever has been inspired in you and be patient until God
judges, for He is the best Judge.

I won't allow you to shift the goal post. You must tell us the scripture in the Arabic words you copied and pasted. This is not the time to go blind

Ohyoudidnt:
Obviously a wannabe Christian apologists or apolegetic says things he doesn't know.
Do you not see this in Quran 10:94?

فَاِنۡ كُنۡتَ فِىۡ شَكٍّ مِّمَّاۤ اَنۡزَلۡنَاۤ اِلَيۡكَ فَسۡــَٔلِ الَّذِيۡ يَقۡرَءُوۡنَ الۡكِتٰبَمِنۡ قَبۡلِكَ‌ۚ لَقَدۡ جَآءَكَ الۡحَقُّ مِنۡ رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُوۡنَنَّ مِنَ الۡمُمۡتَرِيۡنَۙ‏




Highlighted at least you can appreciate similar letters. Someone who doesn't know following and copying. Mr follow open eye and open sense please.

Thank God you pasted that Arabic translation here, to tell this house the scripture what you pasted here is talking about is the problem. I don't think you attended Arabic class and I wish to introduce one Arabic school to you at Ilorin where alfa will beat hell out of your brain but you dey form boss

ahmedio2017:
You are a disgrace to ur entire generation. Honestly you don't know what you are saying. Torah and injeel is 2 different books given to respective prophets. Bible is another book on it own comprises of Genesis, songs bla bla bla

I hate having discussion with someone that's so confused like you slave. But relax, I will make sure you regain your senses back. Shey na your Alfa, Chief imam or Emir tell you say Bible is another book that doesn't comprises of Torah and Injeel after you told us that Bible comprises of Torah and Injeel?

Slave, don't you think you need camel urine? This your own confusion is second to none

ahmedio2017:
Werey omo, where did you see Bible? Do you think is that your useless Bible they are talking about? The books is injeel and Torah and not ur useless Bible that had been edited and full of errors.

ahmedio2017:
Why are you this dumb and daft? Bible comprises of injeel and Torah together with fallacies and fables is it hard for you to comprehend? Bible comprises of a lot of defects and errors so we cannot follow that book that has been compromised....

ahmedio2017:
Who revealed Bible, who compiled Bible? Why is the name Bible not found in the bible. You must get sense by fire by force. Omo ale Omo.

Go back and ask your chief imam, who reveal Torah and Injeel, who compiled Torah and Injeel, come back and tell us your answer. Your brain must be formatted by fire by force you this confused and hopeless slave

ahmedio2017:
What is servant and what is slave ?

Are you fighting with google.com? Must I be telling you everything at this your age?

You're a hopeless and useless SLAVE and NOT a servant but if you don't love been called a slave, why not abandoned that useless religion of allah that made you a STINKY SLAVE

TenQ:
Is this your statement a Fabrication or
1. It is a statement from Allah
2. It is a statement of Mohammed
3. It is a statement from the early Islamic scholars like Ibn Kathir, Al-Maududi, Al-Qurtubi, Aisha your mother, Uthman, Al-Tabari, Ibn Abbas etc

What is your source?

That is just the honest truth, I challenge you to prove me wrong,

Who wrote Bible?
What is the source of Bible?
What does Jesus have to do Bible?
Does Jesus Christ PBUH recognizes Bible?


Just straight answer n not gibrish as usual

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ANTlISLAM:
I hate having discussion with someone that's so confused like you slave. But relax, I will make sure you regain your senses back. Shey na your Alfa, Chief imam or Emir tell you say Bible is another book that doesn't comprises of Torah and Injeel after you told us that Bible comprises of Torah and Injeel?


You will just be saying rubbish honestly, it has been argued before that Bible comprises of Torah and injeel and others have u lost ur senses? I still stand on my point tell us where the word Bible is mentioned in the bible?[/color]

Imagine in that your useless Bible, it says that God make a mistakes does that make sense to you, it says God RESTED and REGRETTED that's is rubbish if you don't know, is it Torah and injeel that says God RESTED? Use ur senses na Bible was compiled by Paul that's the honest truth I challenge you to prove me wrong?[color=#990000]



Slave, don't you think you need camel urine? This your own confusion is second to none



You are loosing it, tell us your challenges o before you enter market
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Go back and ask your chief imam, who reveal Torah and Injeel, who compiled Torah and Injeel, come back and tell us your answer. Your brain must be formatted by fire by force you this confused and hopeless slave


Torah and injeel was revealed by God Almighty to the respective prophets is this one too difficult for you to understand? TORAH and injeel was not revealed to Paul na [color=#770077]

Are you fighting with google.com? Must I be telling you everything at this your age?

You're a hopeless and useless SLAVE and NOT a servant but if you don't love been called a slave, why not abandoned that useless religion of allah that made you a STINKY SLAVE

You are a dullard, even Jesus Christ PBUH was proud to be a servant of God

So proud to be a servant of God
But you are a servant of Government and Paul. It shows how stupid you are. You can be a civil servant but you cannot be a servant of God oponu [color=#006600][/color]

ahmedio2017:
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Are we now done with the Torah and Injeel? It is not clear after I exposed the stupidity radiating in your life that Bible comprises of injeel, Torah, Psalms, etc

In case of next time if this topic was raised, don't ever in your life, I repeat, don't ever in your life argue blindly and again, never in your life asked who revealed Bible once you can't tell who revealed Torah and Injeel

ahmedio2017:
Bible comprises of injeel and Torah together with fallacies and fables is it hard for you to comprehend? Bible comprises of a lot of defects and errors so we cannot follow that book that has been compromised

For Future references, keep the above statements as said by you

ahmedio2017:
You are a dullard, even Jesus Christ PBUH was proud to be a servant of God

So proud to be a servant of God
But you are a servant of Government and Paul. It shows how stupid you are. You can be a civil servant but you cannot be a servant of God oponu [color=#006600][/color].

Let's shift the goal post to SLAVE and SERVANT..

You are a slave because you are been forced to pray five times a day to allah which can qualify you as a muslim. allah the master of slaves has enslaved you Muslims to worship him, to obey Muhammad despite his sins and atrocities, to fight and kill Christians for allah and Islam, to make islam the only religion on earth, etc. ALL THESE AND MANY MORE ARE THE REASONS WHY YOU'RE allah's slaves

A Servant according to the Bible is to be a devoted and helpful follower, to be humble before God, to be ready to act as God nudges and inspires us, to help meet the needs of other people, etc

Slave, I notice that you're not proud to be a slave despite that you're allah's slave, why?

Ohyoudidnt:
Iblis is one just as you too are. Neither of you created or sustains anything nor has any power to do anything except what Allah grant you.

Yes Iblis is one just as Allah is one.
Is it possible that Iblis will be in the lowest heaven and on earth at the same time?
No!

Iblis has to descend from the lowest heaven to the earth's surface if he needed to exactly like Allah.

Did Mohammed say that Allah descends Everyday to the lowest heaven to hear the prayer of you Muslims?

Not difference sir: it's the same limitation

Ohyoudidnt:
Were the Torah, Injil and Zabur not names given?

Do you disagree with Allah again?

Allah says that his books are with us! Do you dispute this verses below?

Qur'an 2:89
And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession - though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved - and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.

Qur'an 2:101
And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not,

Are you reiterating that Allah and his prophet made some serious mistakes in these verses?

ahmedio2017:
They are both word of God given to respect prophets. God has nothing to do with Bible, Paul is the author of Bible.

And equally the founder of Christianity....

Name those prophets and books giving to them?

Where is it written that Paul is the author of Bible and founded Christianity?

Your kindagarten questions
Who wrote Bible?
The Bible was written by several prophets of whom are Moses, David, Solomon, Ezra, etc. Moses wrote the first 5 books called the Torah. Solomon wrote 2 books, David wrote 1 book etc

What is the source of Bible?
The Bible is a compilation of All the Scriptures of the Jews from the Torah, Zabur, Injeel etc. The Torah itself is five books
What does Jesus have to do Bible?
The Bible wrote about the Messiah who is Jesus Christ

Does Jesus Christ PBUH recognizes Bible?
The old Testament (the Scripture of the Jews) was completely written by the time of Jesus. The New Testament was written about Jesus. Jesus read from the Old Testament during His time.

ahmedio2017:
That is just the honest truth, I challenge you to prove me wrong,

Who wrote Bible?
What is the source of Bible?
What does Jesus have to do Bible?
Does Jesus Christ PBUH recognizes Bible?


Just straight answer n not gibrish as usual

You made a claim, please prove it

You said: With respect to the question What is the Torah and what is the Injeel?

ahmedio2017:
They are both word of God given to respect prophets.
1. God has nothing to do with Bible, Paul is the author of Bible.
2. And equally the founder of Christianity....

Is this your statement a Fabrication or
1. It is a statement from Allah
2. It is a statement of Mohammed
3. It is a statement from the early Islamic scholars like Ibn Kathir, Al-Maududi, Al-Qurtubi, Aisha your mother, Uthman, Al-Tabari, Ibn Abbas etc

What is your source and evidence?
Do you concur that this is a Fabrication by you?

TenQ:
Your kindagarten questions
Who wrote Bible?
The Bible was written by several prophets of whom are Moses, David, Solomon, Ezra, etc. Moses wrote the first 5 books called the Torah. Solomon wrote 2 books, David wrote 1 book etc

What is the source of Bible?
The Bible is a compilation of All the Scriptures of the Jews from the Torah, Zabur, Injeel etc. The Torah itself is five books
What does Jesus have to do Bible?
The Bible wrote about the Messiah who is Jesus Christ

Does Jesus Christ PBUH recognizes Bible?
The old Testament (the Scripture of the Jews) was completely written by the time of Jesus. The New Testament was written about Jesus. Jesus read from the Old Testament during His time.






You made a claim, please prove it

You said: With respect to the question What is the Torah and what is the Injeel?


Is this your statement a Fabrication or
1. It is a statement from Allah
2. It is a statement of Mohammed
3. It is a statement from the early Islamic scholars like Ibn Kathir, Al-Maududi, Al-Qurtubi, Aisha your mother, Uthman, Al-Tabari, Ibn Abbas etc

What is your source and evidence?
Do you concur that this is a Fabrication by you?

Lolz I said you will explain tire without any tangible evidence. I asked a simple and straight forward question see the gibrish you are just splitting. Answer the question if you know it, if you don't have answer keep quiet


It's surprising the Book have no name. I can see the word Bible only on the cover pages. Who name it Paul or Who??

The Word Quran is mentioned 70 times in the Holy Quran.

I do read Bible but am yet to see the Word Bible. Maybe I have not come across it, help me with it.

But if the word is not there, I don't need further theories and hypotheses that the Bible is Hebrew from then this and that bla bla bla... For all I need is the verse of the Bible.


The Holy Qur'an is also translated to English and that doesn't erase the word Qur'an.


Just answer simple question. Calm down and learn.

You must provide answer or keep shut forever

ANTlISLAM:
Are we now done with the Torah and Injeel? It is not clear after I exposed the stupidity radiating in your life that Bible comprises of injeel, Torah, Psalms, etc

In case of next time if this topic was raised, don't ever in your life, I repeat, don't ever in your life argue blindly and again, never in your life asked who revealed Bible once you can't tell who revealed Torah and Injeel




For Future references, keep the above statements as said by you




Let's shift the goal post to SLAVE and SERVANT..

You are a slave because you are been forced to pray five times a day to allah which can qualify you as a muslim. allah the master of slaves has enslaved you Muslims to worship him, to obey Muhammad despite his sins and atrocities, to fight and kill Christians for allah and Islam, to make islam the only religion on earth, etc. ALL THESE AND MANY MORE ARE THE REASONS WHY YOU'RE allah's slaves

A Servant according to the Bible is to be a devoted and helpful follower, to be humble before God, to be ready to act as God nudges and inspires us, to help meet the needs of other people, etc

Slave, I notice that you're not proud to be a slave despite that you're allah's slave, why?

Lolz I said you will explain tire without any tangible evidence. I asked a simple and straight forward question see the gibrish you are just splitting. Answer the question if you know it, if you don't have answer keep quiet


It's surprising the Book have no name. I can see the word Bible only on the cover pages. Who name it Paul or Who??

The Word Quran is mentioned 70 times in the Holy Quran.

I do read Bible but am yet to see the Word Bible. Maybe I have not come across it, help me with it.

But if the word is not there, I don't need further theories and hypotheses that the Bible is Hebrew from then this and that bla bla bla... For all I need is the verse of the Bible.


The Holy Qur'an is also translated to English and that doesn't erase the word Qur'an.


Just answer simple question. Calm down and learn.

You must provide answer or keep shut forever

Ohyoudidnt:
Tenq is indeed making great attempts to remake the Christian doctrine.
Does the Bible you follow not record Jesus saying:

Matthew 15:9: “But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
In context from verse 7: Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8[b]This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me[/b].
This verse implies that religious leaders sometimes prioritize their own teachings over divine revelation.

Is Tenq lying that the Biblical God created hell in vain and people will not be punished for eternity there?

Do you feign to forget or actually are unaware that in Matthew 25:41, Jesus says, “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.? This verse indicates that hell is a real place of punishment for those who do not follow God’s ways.

Furthermore, in the Gospel of Mark 9:43-48, Jesus speaks about hell as a place where “the fire never goes out” and where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth.” This imagery emphasizes the eternal nature of hell and the suffering that awaits those who are condemned to it.

Elsewhere in Matthew 23:2-3, Jesus tells his followers: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.” This passage suggests that religious leaders may not always practice what they preach.

In John 5:39-40, Jesus directly addresses the issue of scriptural interpretation by saying: “Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.”

This verse suggests that some religious leaders misinterpret or misunderstand scripture because they fail to recognize its ultimate purpose and message.

Do you say God's chastisement in only on earth for correction why then is it there that Jesus says in
Matthew 25:46: Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life?

The Bible emphasizes correction and discipline on earth as a form of chastisement from God, it also alludes to the idea that there are eternal consequences and judgments that extend beyond earthly life.

Do you claim that Earthly father's don't discipline their erring children in a loving correcting manner?

That is to say Proverbs 13:24 is the devil printer's error
Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.

TenQ please don't for the sake of debate peddle falsehood.

You see how your arguments are wrong with respect to the Quran verse you use.
A loving father will lovingly guide but diligently discipline a child to keep on the appropriate part.

This is what one gets when comprehension of simple English is terribly low.
1. Paragraph 1: There is contradiction between the two Gods of Allah and Yahweh as God calls us His children
2. Paragraph 2: I quoted Quran 5:18 where Allah denied having Children
3. Paragraph 3: I faulted the argument of Allah (or is it Mohammed) who says : If we are God's children, "Why then does He punish you for your sins?"
4. Paragraph 4: I asked you if this was a valid argument
5. Paragraph 5: I showed you Proversb 3:11-12 where the God of Israel explained why He chastises (disciplines or punishes) His children

Now, check your responses
1. What is the christian doctrine I have attempted to remake?
2. Did what I wrote contradict Matt 15:9?
3. Did I claim that hell is in vain and that people will not be punished there? Did I even mention hell in the post you replied to?
4. Did what I wrote contradict Matt 25:41
5. Did I write anything contradicting Mark 9:43-48?
6. Did I write anything contradicting Matt 23:2-3?
What did my post write about hell?
7. You went to the issue of John 5:39-40 : was there any where I posted about interpretation of scriptures to warant your response?

Do you say God's chastisement in only on earth for correction why then is it there that Jesus says in
Matthew 25:46: Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life?

I see that your problem is comprehension of English Language. Tell me, will Allah punish you muslims in paradise or he will punish the evildoers?

You siad:

Do you claim that Earthly father's don't discipline their erring children in a loving correcting manner?

Unfortunately, it is Allah who claims that not me!
Then you went in tangent against Allah because you didnt read to understand Qur'an 5:18
Qur'an 5:18
And (both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are the children of Allah and His loved ones." Say: "Why then does He punish you for your sins?" Nay, you are but human beings, of those He has created, He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and to Him is the return (of all).

Allah's argument is that he doesn't punish his children (if he had one), he punishes whoever he wills and forgives whoever he wills

I challenge you to [b]quote exactly my falsehood in the post above that you claim is filled with falsehood[/b]

Ohyoudidnt:
Throughout the Bible, God is described as omnipotent (all-powerful), omniscient (all-knowing), omnipresent (present everywhere), eternal (without beginning or end), loving, just, merciful, and many other attributes. These characteristics go beyond just being a spirit and demonstrate the complexity and depth of God’s nature.

Was it a spirit that wrestled with Jacob? Appeared to Abraham as 3. instances of God interacting with humanity in personal ways. From walking with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden to speaking to prophets like Moses and Elijah, God’s interactions with people show a relational aspect that goes beyond just being a spirit.

The theologian Matthew Fox emphasizes that God is not merely a spirit but rather a dynamic energy that permeates and animates all of creation.

1. Paragraph 2: I defined what a spirit is
2. I stated that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is an INFINITE Spirit who occupy the whole Universe (visible and invisible)
3. Paragraph 3; I quoted Acts 17:28 to prove my point that God as a spirit is Omnopresent
4. paragraph 4: I stated that Allah is NOT a spirit hence he has to descend to the lowest heaven from his high up throne to the lowest heaven. Is this an untrue statement about Allah?

You started with an obvious falsehood
1. Can you read Gen 32:24 and justify how you claim that a spirit wrestled with Jacob or God appearing as a Man?
2. Can you justify that Abraham spoke with a spirit Gen 18:2 or God appearing as a Man?
3. Same with Adam and Eve

You now have the effrontery to quote your theologian as if Christian doctrine is defined by what theologians say.

If you don't understand the Trinity of God, I have told you ask and I will explain.

Allah is presently not on his throne in heaven because he is running round the earths lowest atmosphere looking for muslims who will be praying to him.

Allah is certainly NOT a spirit: thus he can only be in one place at a time

Ohyoudidnt:
So much literature yet you didn't give an absolute definition of Born again. 🤔😓😥

In John 3:3-7 Jesus says to Nicodemus: “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” Nicodemus is confused by this statement, thinking it means being physically born a second time. Jesus clarifies that he is talking about a spiritual rebirth, saying, “Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.”

The idea of being born again is central to Christian belief and is associated with conversion, repentance, and a new life in Christ. [/b]It signifies a transformation of the individual’s heart and soul through faith in Jesus Christ. This spiritual rebirth is seen as essential for salvation and eternal life according to Christian doctrine.

Note conversion stated first here. Conversion from polytheism, disobedience, immorality etc. Then repentance in the sense of acknowledging wrong doing and keeping away from such. The new life Christians stems from having faith in Jesus and following his teachings to be righteous.

Seems I conceptualized this better than you or didn't I?

Will need to answer the rest in a follow up. So many attachments to each point.

Unfortunately for you and this is justifying why I said that your comprehension of simple english language is very low.

My first paragraph highlighted in BLUE stated thedifinition of Born Again in simple terms
[b]Did you read this?
To be Born again is to Depend upon God's prescribed solution for the Solution of the infection of Sin, Becoming Gods own child and entering Paradise.

Did you read this highlighted in yellow?
A person who is Born Again is required to produce the fruit of a changed Life in
1. Love for God and Love for his neighbour
2. Living a life of Purity and Service to God
Can one be PURE from Sin and not be Converted and Repented from from the old life to the New?
Is a new Life not a life lived in LOVE for God and LOVE for Man?








Let me help you again to understand what it means to be Born Again:

Ohyoudidnt:
4. What really does it mean to be Born again? Kindly explain so I can respond.

To be Born again is to Depend upon God's prescribed solution for the Solution of the infection of Sin, Becoming Gods own child and entering Paradise.

This is how Jesus defined being Born Again :
John 3:14-18:
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up : That whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

To understand this, you need to go to the Torah to see what happen that Moses had to hang a bronze snake in the wilderness
Numbers 21:6-9
1. The children of Israel sinned against God
2. It led to the consequence of the Judgement of snake bites leading to death
3. The elders of Israel recognised that this snakes were judgement from God thus the asked Moses to go intercede for them with God
4. Moses pleaded the case of the Elders of Israel with God BUT God decides NOT to remove the snakes even though He forgives them.
5. God now instructs Moses:
a. Make a Bronze Snake
b. Hang it on a wooden Pole in the middle of the camp of Israel
c. The one who is bitten by the snake should come out and LOOK at the bronze snake
d. Because such a person Believes in the SOLUTION provided by God, such a person would not perish but LIVE!

Jesus said:
Just as Moses hung a serpent in the wilderness, so also He would be hung on the tree. If ANYONE believes in God's solution and instruction, such would enter Paradise.
This is the person who is Born Again.
Eternal separation from God has passed over him because such is given a new Life.

The consequence is that such a person is SEALED with God's Spirit (thus making him a child of God)
John 1:12-13:
"But as many as received him, to them He gave power to become the sons of God , even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

A person who is Born Again is required to produce the fruit of a changed Life in
1. Love for God and Love for his neighbour
2. Living a life of Purity and Service to God

If these fruit is lacking in the life of any Christian, one should doubt his claim of being Born Again

Because Jesus said:
Mat 7:15-18,20-21:
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. … Why by their fruits you shall know them. Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven."


Unfortunately,
1. Islam says Jesus did not die on the cross
2. Islam does not know the purpose of the Messiah
3. Islam created another means of salvation which lacks any guarantee
4. Islam says ALL Muslims will enter Hell fire but later they will be removed
5. Islam rejects God's solution for salvation from the Fire of Hell.

Ohyoudidnt:
Tenq is indeed making great attempts to remake the Christian doctrine.
Does the Bible you follow not record Jesus saying:

Matthew 15:9: “But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
In context from verse 7: Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8[b]This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me[/b].
This verse implies that religious leaders sometimes prioritize their own teachings over divine revelation.

Is Tenq lying that the Biblical God created hell in vain and people will not be punished for eternity there?

Do you feign to forget or actually are unaware that in Matthew 25:41, Jesus says, “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.? This verse indicates that hell is a real place of punishment for those who do not follow God’s ways.

Furthermore, in the Gospel of Mark 9:43-48, Jesus speaks about hell as a place where “the fire never goes out” and where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth.” This imagery emphasizes the eternal nature of hell and the suffering that awaits those who are condemned to it.

Elsewhere in Matthew 23:2-3, Jesus tells his followers: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.” This passage suggests that religious leaders may not always practice what they preach.

In John 5:39-40, Jesus directly addresses the issue of scriptural interpretation by saying: “Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.”

This verse suggests that some religious leaders misinterpret or misunderstand scripture because they fail to recognize its ultimate purpose and message.

Do you say God's chastisement in only on earth for correction why then is it there that Jesus says in
Matthew 25:46: Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life?

The Bible emphasizes correction and discipline on earth as a form of chastisement from God, it also alludes to the idea that there are eternal consequences and judgments that extend beyond earthly life.

Do you claim that Earthly father's don't discipline their erring children in a loving correcting manner?

That is to say Proverbs 13:24 is the devil printer's error
Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.

TenQ please don't for the sake of debate peddle falsehood.

You see how your arguments are wrong with respect to the Quran verse you use.
A loving father will lovingly guide but diligently discipline a child to keep on the appropriate part.

This is what one gets when comprehension of simple English is terribly low.
1. Paragraph 1: There is contradiction between the two Gods of Allah and Yahweh as God calls us His children
2. Paragraph 2: I quoted Quran 5:18 where Allah denied having Children
3. Paragraph 3: I faulted the argument of Allah (or is it Mohammed) who says : If we are God's children, "Why then does He punish you for your sins?"
4. Paragraph 4: I asked you if this was a valid argument
5. Paragraph 5: I showed you Proversb 3:11-12 where the God of Israel explained why He chastises (disciplines or punishes) His children

Now, check your responses
1. What is the christian doctrine I have attempted to remake?
2. Did what I wrote contradict Matt 15:9?
3. Did I claim that hell is in vain and that people will not be punished there? Did I even mention hell in the post you replied to?
4. Did what I wrote contradict Matt 25:41
5. Did I write anything contradicting Mark 9:43-48?
6. Did I write anything contradicting Matt 23:2-3?
What did my post write about hell?
7. You went to the issue of John 5:39-40 : was there any where I posted about interpretation of scriptures to warant your response?

Do you say God's chastisement in only on earth for correction why then is it there that Jesus says in
Matthew 25:46: Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life?

I see that your problem is comprehension of English Language. Tell me, will Allah punish you muslims in paradise or he will punish the evildoers?

You siad:

Do you claim that Earthly father's don't discipline their erring children in a loving correcting manner?

Unfortunately, it is Allah who claims that not me!
Then you went in tangent against Allah because you didnt read to understand Qur'an 5:18
Qur'an 5:18
And (both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are the children of Allah and His loved ones." Say: "Why then does He punish you for your sins?" Nay, you are but human beings, of those He has created, He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and to Him is the return (of all).

Allah's argument is that he doesn't punish his children (if he had one), he punishes whoever he wills and forgives whoever he wills

I challenge you to [b]quote exactly my falsehood in the post above that you claim is filled with falsehood[/b]

Ohyoudidnt:
Throughout the Bible, God is described as omnipotent (all-powerful), omniscient (all-knowing), omnipresent (present everywhere), eternal (without beginning or end), loving, just, merciful, and many other attributes. These characteristics go beyond just being a spirit and demonstrate the complexity and depth of God’s nature.

Was it a spirit that wrestled with Jacob? Appeared to Abraham as 3. instances of God interacting with humanity in personal ways. From walking with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden to speaking to prophets like Moses and Elijah, God’s interactions with people show a relational aspect that goes beyond just being a spirit.

The theologian Matthew Fox emphasizes that God is not merely a spirit but rather a dynamic energy that permeates and animates all of creation.

1. Paragraph 2: I defined what a spirit is
2. I stated that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is an INFINITE Spirit who occupy the whole Universe (visible and invisible)
3. Paragraph 3; I quoted Acts 17:28 to prove my point that God as a spirit is Omnopresent
4. paragraph 4: I stated that Allah is NOT a spirit hence he has to descend to the lowest heaven from his high up throne to the lowest heaven. Is this an untrue statement about Allah?

You started with an obvious falsehood
1. Can you read Gen 32:24 and justify how you claim that a spirit wrestled with Jacob or God appearing as a Man?
2. Can you justify that Abraham spoke with a spirit Gen 18:2 or God appearing as a Man?
3. Same with Adam and Eve

You now have the effrontery to quote your theologian as if Christian doctrine is defined by what theologians say.

If you don't understand the Trinity of God, I have told you ask and I will explain.

Allah is presently not on his throne in heaven because he is running round the earths lowest atmosphere looking for muslims who will be praying to him.

Allah is certainly NOT a spirit: thus he can only be in one place at a time

Ohyoudidnt:
So much literature yet you didn't give an absolute definition of Born again. 🤔😓😥

In John 3:3-7 Jesus says to Nicodemus: “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” Nicodemus is confused by this statement, thinking it means being physically born a second time. Jesus clarifies that he is talking about a spiritual rebirth, saying, “Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.”

The idea of being born again is central to Christian belief and is associated with conversion, repentance, and a new life in Christ. [/b]It signifies a transformation of the individual’s heart and soul through faith in Jesus Christ. This spiritual rebirth is seen as essential for salvation and eternal life according to Christian doctrine.

Note conversion stated first here. Conversion from polytheism, disobedience, immorality etc. Then repentance in the sense of acknowledging wrong doing and keeping away from such. The new life Christians stems from having faith in Jesus and following his teachings to be righteous.

Seems I conceptualized this better than you or didn't I?

Will need to answer the rest in a follow up. So many attachments to each point.

Unfortunately for you and this is justifying why I said that your comprehension of simple english language is very low.

My first paragraph highlighted in BLUE stated thedifinition of Born Again in simple terms
[b]Did you read this?
To be Born again is to Depend upon God's prescribed solution for the Solution of the infection of Sin, Becoming Gods own child and entering Paradise.

Did you read this highlighted in yellow?
A person who is Born Again is required to produce the fruit of a changed Life in
1. Love for God and Love for his neighbour
2. Living a life of Purity and Service to God
Can one be PURE from Sin and not be Converted and Repented from from the old life to the New?
Is a new Life not a life lived in LOVE for God and LOVE for Man?

Let me help you again to understand what it means to be Born Again:

Ohyoudidnt:
4. What really does it mean to be Born again? Kindly explain so I can respond.

To be Born again is to Depend upon God's prescribed solution for the Solution of the infection of Sin, Becoming Gods own child and entering Paradise.

This is how Jesus defined being Born Again :
John 3:14-18:
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up : That whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

To understand this, you need to go to the Torah to see what happen that Moses had to hang a bronze snake in the wilderness
Numbers 21:6-9
1. The children of Israel sinned against God
2. It led to the consequence of the Judgement of snake bites leading to death
3. The elders of Israel recognised that this snakes were judgement from God thus the asked Moses to go intercede for them with God
4. Moses pleaded the case of the Elders of Israel with God BUT God decides NOT to remove the snakes even though He forgives them.
5. God now instructs Moses:
a. Make a Bronze Snake
b. Hang it on a wooden Pole in the middle of the camp of Israel
c. The one who is bitten by the snake should come out and LOOK at the bronze snake
d. Because such a person Believes in the SOLUTION provided by God, such a person would not perish but LIVE!

Jesus said:
Just as Moses hung a serpent in the wilderness, so also He would be hung on the tree. If ANYONE believes in God's solution and instruction, such would enter Paradise.
This is the person who is Born Again.
Eternal separation from God has passed over him because such is given a new Life.

The consequence is that such a person is SEALED with God's Spirit (thus making him a child of God)
John 1:12-13:
"But as many as received him, to them He gave power to become the sons of God , even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

A person who is Born Again is required to produce the fruit of a changed Life in
1. Love for God and Love for his neighbour
2. Living a life of Purity and Service to God

If these fruit is lacking in the life of any Christian, one should doubt his claim of being Born Again

Because Jesus said:
Mat 7:15-18,20-21:
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. … Why by their fruits you shall know them. Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven."


Unfortunately,
1. Islam says Jesus did not die on the cross
2. Islam does not know the purpose of the Messiah
3. Islam created another means of salvation which lacks any guarantee
4. Islam says ALL Muslims will enter Hell fire but later they will be removed
5. Islam rejects God's solution for salvation from the Fire of Hell.

ahmedio2017:
Lolz I said you will explain tire without any tangible evidence. I asked a simple and straight forward question see the gibrish you are just splitting. Answer the question if you know it, if you don't have answer keep quiet


It's surprising the Book have no name. I can see the word Bible only on the cover pages. Who name it Paul or Who??

The Word Quran is mentioned 70 times in the Holy Quran.

I do read Bible but am yet to see the Word Bible. Maybe I have not come across it, help me with it.

But if the word is not there, I don't need further theories and hypotheses that the Bible is Hebrew from then this and that bla bla bla... For all I need is the verse of the Bible.


The Holy Qur'an is also translated to English and that doesn't erase the word Qur'an.


Just answer simple question. Calm down and learn.

You must provide answer or keep shut forever

Can you see how I answered your kindergarten Questions: Unfortunately, you have no response to mine.

Let me oblige you again with the questions:
You made a claim, please prove it

You said: With respect to the question What is the Torah and what is the Injeel?
Is this your statement a Fabrication or
1. It is a statement from Allah
2. It is a statement of Mohammed
3. It is a statement from the early Islamic scholars like Ibn Kathir, Al-Maududi, Al-Qurtubi, Aisha your mother, Uthman, Al-Tabari, Ibn Abbas etc

What is your source and evidence?
Do you concur that this is a Fabrication by you?

RightChannel:
Name those prophets and books giving to them?

Where is it written that Paul is the author of Bible and founded Christianity?

Firstly, the New Testament is known as a collection of writings by Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, PAUL, James, and Jude.


Where did the term Christian originally come from?
The first recorded use of the term (or its cognates in other languages) is in the New Testament, in Acts 11 after Barnabas brought Saul (Paul) to Antioch where they taught the disciples for about a year, the text says that "the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch" (Acts 11:26).


How long after Jesus died was the Bible written?
Written over the course of almost a century after Jesus' death, the four gospels of the New Testament, though they tell the same story, reflect very different ideas and concerns. A period of forty years separates the death of Jesus from the writing of the first gospel.


My brother it is a pity to tell you that you are guys are followers of PAUL Jesus Christ PBUH had nothing to do with Christianity.



My brother repent before it is too late




On the emergence of the Trinity

Christians had a dilemma as soon as they declared that Christ was God. If Christ is God and God the Father is God, doesn't that make two gods? And when you throw the Holy Spirit into the mix, doesn't that make three gods? So aren't Christians polytheists? Christians wanted to insist, no, they're monotheists. Well, if they're monotheists, how can all three be God?

What religion did Jesus follow?
Of course, Jesus was a Jew. He was born of a Jewish mother, in Galilee, a Jewish part of the world. All of his friends, associates, colleagues, disciples, all of them were Jews. He regularly worshipped in Jewish communal worship, what we call synagogues.

He believed in ONENESS of God.

ahmedio2017:
Lolz I said you will explain tire without any tangible evidence. I asked a simple and straight forward question see the gibrish you are just splitting. Answer the question if you know it, if you don't have answer keep quiet


It's surprising the Book have no name. I can see the word Bible only on the cover pages. Who name it Paul or Who??

The Word Quran is mentioned 70 times in the Holy Quran.

I do read Bible but am yet to see the Word Bible. Maybe I have not come across it, help me with it.

But if the word is not there, I don't need further theories and hypotheses that the Bible is Hebrew from then this and that bla bla bla... For all I need is the verse of the Bible.


The Holy Qur'an is also translated to English and that doesn't erase the word Qur'an.


Just answer simple question. Calm down and learn.

You must provide answer or keep shut forever

SLAVE, but I asked who name your book to be called Quran you didn't answer

I also asked who name Torah and Injeel you refused to answer likewise but you continue asking kindergarten question

Bobo, ask your chief imam where it is written that your islamic book was named Quran and come back here to reinstall your rotted brain



Did you still have any question on slave and the reason why you are allah's slaves?

ahmedio2017:
Firstly, the New Testament is known as a collection of writings by Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, PAUL, James, and Jude.


Where did the term Christian originally come from?
The first recorded use of the term (or its cognates in other languages) is in the New Testament, in Acts 11 after Barnabas brought Saul (Paul) to Antioch where they taught the disciples for about a year, the text says that "the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch" (Acts 11:26).


How long after Jesus died was the Bible written?
Written over the course of almost a century after Jesus' death, the four gospels of the New Testament, though they tell the same story, reflect very different ideas and concerns. A period of forty years separates the death of Jesus from the writing of the first gospel.


My brother it is a pity to tell you that you are guys are followers of PAUL Jesus Christ PBUH had nothing to do with Christianity.



My brother repent before it is too late




On the emergence of the Trinity

Christians had a dilemma as soon as they declared that Christ was God. If Christ is God and God the Father is God, doesn't that make two gods? And when you throw the Holy Spirit into the mix, doesn't that make three gods? So aren't Christians polytheists? Christians wanted to insist, no, they're monotheists. Well, if they're monotheists, how can all three be God?

What religion did Jesus follow?
Of course, Jesus was a Jew. He was born of a Jewish mother, in Galilee, a Jewish part of the world. All of his friends, associates, colleagues, disciples, all of them were Jews. He regularly worshipped in Jewish communal worship, what we call synagogues.

He believed in ONENESS of God.

Whenever question is too difficult for you to answer, you always vomit rubbish

Is your reading and comprehensive ability faulty?

RightChannel:
Name those prophets and books giving to them?

Where is it written that Paul is the author of Bible and founded Christianity?

RightChannel:
Whenever question is too difficult for you to answer, you always vomit rubbish

Is your reading and comprehensive ability faulty?

You are just disturbing yourself with this simple simple questions it is what u know already

What are the 4 holy books of Islam and prophets names?
Belief in the Books of God: Muslims believe that God revealed holy books or scriptures to a number of God's messengers. These include the Quran (given to Muhammad), the Torah (given to Moses), the Gospel injeel (given to Jesus), the Psalms (given to David), and the Scrolls (given to Abraham).


Injil (Gospel)
Injil (Gospel)
The Injil was the holy book revealed to Jesus (Isa), according to the Quran. Most scholars and Muslims believe that it refers not to the New Testament but to an original Gospel given to Jesus as the word of Allah.


2) the term Christian was used 80 years after the departure of Jesus Christ PBUH by Paul and apostles, Jesus knew nothing about Christianity.

His religion

What Religion Was Jesus?
The simple answer is: Judaism. Jesus was a rabbi, a teacher of Judaism.


Pls go and make further research and stop disturbing my peace if you don't have answers to my questions and not ready to learn.....

ahmedio2017:
You are just disturbing yourself with this simple simple questions it is what u know already

What are the 4 holy books of Islam and prophets names?
Belief in the Books of God: Muslims believe that God revealed holy books or scriptures to a number of God's messengers. These include the Quran (given to Muhammad), the Torah (given to Moses), the Gospel injeel (given to Jesus), the Psalms (given to David), and the Scrolls (given to Abraham).


Injil (Gospel)
Injil (Gospel)
The Injil was the holy book revealed to Jesus (Isa), according to the Quran. Most scholars and Muslims believe that it refers not to the New Testament but to an original Gospel given to Jesus as the word of Allah.


2) the term Christian was used 80 years after the departure of Jesus Christ PBUH by Paul and apostles, Jesus knew nothing about Christianity.

His religion

What Religion Was Jesus?
The simple answer is: Judaism. Jesus was a rabbi, a teacher of Judaism.


Pls go and make further research and stop disturbing my peace if you don't have answers to my questions and not ready to learn.....

What of Torah? Since Injeel is the book given to Jesus

ahmedio2017:
Stop this ur rub.bish, I have corrected you several times... Don't compare Allah with your god, Allah is more powerful than your god, don't you get?

Your god can make a mistakes, Allah cannot make a mistakes

Your god regretted and RESTED Allah does not sleep and slumber.....

Your own god is not powerful.

No be lie, that's the reason why he ( allah ) revealed some quranic verses and he changed his mind later and abrogated them huh ?

RightChannel:
What of Torah? Since Injeel is the book given to Jesus

Torah is for Moses?

Samunique:
No be lie, that's the reason why he ( allah ) revealed some quranic verses and he changed his mind later and abrogated them huh ?

The problem with u guys is that you lack knowledge and you are not willing and ready to learn...

Now what is abrogated?

Abrogation is the act of canceling, nullifying, or repealing something, almost always in an official or legal context. To abrogate something is to repeal or cancel it, so abrogation is the act of repealing or canceling. This is mainly a legal term.

In order word amendment.

Abrogation in the Qur'an refers to the phenomenon of a later verse changing or
altering a ruling established by a verse revealed earlier, either in whole or in part.


The truth is that abrogation is further evidence of the divine origin of the Qur'an
because it has delivered appropriate rules to be applied in different situations,
reflecting the Wisdom of the Creator who intended Islam to be applicable to all
times, places, and people. If the text had a rigid set of rules, it would have been too
inflexible for modern people, let alone the early Muslims, to follow its guidance in their life


Abrogation occurs by the Will and Wisdom of Allah, Who knows what teachings
people need in the precise moment that they need it. It can occur between verses of
different divine books or within the same divine book.
Allah said:
We do not abrogate a verse and allow it to be forgotten but that We
bring what is better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has
power over all things?

1. Some specific rules in the previous revelations contained in the Torah, Psalms, and Gospel were abrogated by rules laid down in Islam, although the spirit of all the
divine books is the same. For example, Jews celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday,
Christians celebrate their holy day on Sunday, and Muslims perform al-Jumu’ah
prayers on Friday. We believe that Allah guided us to single out Friday for the
weekly sermon instead of other days. Should Muslims, then, impose their religious
law on all others by force?

Allah said:
To each among you We have made a law and a way. If Allah had willed, He would have made you into a single nation, but He tests you
in what you have been given. Thus, race towards what is good. Unto Allah will all of you return and He will tell you about that in which
you differed.

2.The religion of the Prophets is the same single religion, while the laws they
followed changed over time and place. As Qatadah said, “The religion is one, but
the laws are different.” And he also said, “The Torah has a law, the Gospel has a
law, and the Qur'an has a law. Allah permits in them what He wills and forbids
what He wills as a trial, that it may be known who obeys Him and who disobeys
Him. Rather, the religion is one, besides which none is accepted: monotheism and
sincerity to Allah, which was brought by the Messengers.