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| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 12:23pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
ahmedio2017:I don't blame you. If Allah or Mohammed understood what Trinity is, you will not enter into this quagmire of confusion. I will show you from Islam what you don't understand as long as you answer my questions truthfully Firstly, Do you Muslims believe in three Jesus 1. Jesus is a Human MESSENGER of Allah 2. Jesus is the WORD of Allah 3. Jesus is a SPIRIT from Allah Is this a contradiction? Secondly, 1 Is it true that the Prophets in their graves are praying to Allah? 2. Is it true that your prophet literally rode on Al-Burak to paradise? Thirdly, 1. Is it true that when a person dies, two angels will come to his grave and ask him three questions? 2. Is it true that if he answers the questions correctly, his grave would be made comfortable for him otherwise, his grave would be made uncomfortable to him? 3. Can a human being escape the questioning of these two angels? |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by RightChannel: 12:36pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
ahmedio2017:What are the books of Moses? |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Samunique(m): 12:39pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
ahmedio2017:@bolded, A. So you're telling the world plainly that almighty allah cannot tell the end from the beginning, that he has to replace some verses with better ones ? Do know the implications of what you're saying What you're saying in essence is that your god is experimenting? Should that be a God ? Pls think about it and seek for the knowledge of the true God with an open mind. Bcs this your experimenting god can't be God.......@bolded, 1. You say your god abrogated some things in Torah, Zabur and Injil by some laid down rules in Islam ? Now if we say you Muslims are confused with your prophet you will say that we're blasphemous ! Isn't it the same book that allah asks the Christians to judge according to what's there is what you're saying has been abrogated with some verses in your quran ? Tell me if this your claim doesn't contradict the quranic verses at the very bottom end of this post ![]() Moreover, abrogation only exists in the quran verses bcs your god was indecisive and unable to see the future clearly unlike the God of the Bible!!!! Isaiah 46:9-10 KJV Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10. Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: [Quran Chapter 5] 46. In their footsteps, We sent Jesus son of Mary, fulfilling the Torah that preceded him; and We gave him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, and confirming the Torah that preceded him, and guidance and counsel to the righteous. 47. So let the people of the Gospel rule according to what God revealed in it. Those who do not rule according to what God revealed are the sinners. |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 12:52pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
Samunique:Oga all Muslims believed in Jesus Christ PBUH he is one of our prophets, what exactly is you guys problem jumping from one point to another. What about your own Bible that says God RESTED and REGRETTED that created you. Does that make sense to you? |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 12:57pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
RightChannel:Lolz Tenq u guys should come n rescue this one o, because it seems you are loosing it. Which are the books of Moses? "The five books of Moses are referred to as the Pentateuch, and encompasses the first five books of the Old Testament: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. These books give the foundation for Jewish law and religion, and outlined the covenants given to Jewish people by their God. Still no where they wrote the word Bible oga |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by RightChannel: 1:15pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
ahmedio2017:Is the five books of Moses found in Quran or Bible? |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 1:19pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
TenQ:You can't escape the questioning |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 1:26pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
RightChannel:Found in the old testament and The Scrolls of Moses (Arabic: صُحُفِ مُوسَىٰ, Ṣuḥuf Mūsā) are an ancient body of scripture mentioned twice in the Quran. They are part of the religious scriptures of Islam. the "Scrolls of Moses" are identical to the Torah of Moses. Others have stated that they could possibly refer to the Book of the Wars of the Lord, a lost text spoken of in the Old Testament or Tanakh in the Book of Numbers. |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by RightChannel: 1:28pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
ahmedio2017:Since you know all these, why arguing stupidly? Is the Bible not Torah and Injeel? |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Samunique(m): 1:32pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
ahmedio2017:And did Muhammad live to see a copy of quran ![]() Don't make a mockery of someone's dresses while your own is torn from up to the bottom!!! Meanwhile Jesus saw the scriptures, handle them, read them and preached them. Maybe not in the completion form bcs He was still around then to fulfill and seal the rest of the scriptures that were completed in first century AD after the last book which is the book of revelation, Apocalypse. Luke 4:16-21 KJV And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. [17] And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, [18] The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, [19] To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. [20] And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. [21] And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. Revelation 22:18-19 KJV For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Samunique(m): 1:38pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
ahmedio2017: ![]() No answers No objections The truth has finally prevailed ![]()
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| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 1:51pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
RightChannel:Are you ok ? Have I ever mention Bible? Is Torah and injeel Bible? Why are you confused like this? Torah is a book injeel is a book Bible is also a book |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 1:53pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
Samunique:Are you okay? Even Jesus Christ PBUH is a MUSLIM He believed in oneness of God |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by RightChannel: 1:59pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
ahmedio2017:When things fall apart for you, the end result is to start insulting your family at home I read one of the post where you uttered this, are you silly and crazy when typing it or your memory lost when dropping it here? ahmedio2017: |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Dsimmer: 2:16pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
ahmedio2017:Jesus ain't a Muslim. Sink that into your brain. Jesus predates Islam and the terrorist Mohammed. Jesus didn't recite any shahadah. Meanwhile, Mohammed got his Islam idea from the cousin of his first wife who preached Christianity to Mohammed. |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 2:30pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
Dsimmer:MUMU, Jesus believed in oneness of God Jesus submitted to the will of God those are the qualities of ISLAM. Christianity is a polytheistic religion There is no similarities between Jesus Christ PBUH religion and that of Christianity use your head oga. |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 2:34pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
RightChannel:I didn't dispute it either....... They are separate books oga. Bible is corrupted and altered you are just disturbing yourself. Torah and injeel can also be found in the bible doesn't connote that Torah and injeel is Bible. At least u go school na.... |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Dsimmer: 2:41pm On Mar 20, 2024*. Modified: 7:40pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
ahmedio2017:Ode, Jesus didn't recite any shahadah nor worship a stone idol in mecca. Jesus predates Islam and its terrorist founder, Mohammed! Jesus isn't an Arab to begin with. Christianity isn't polytheistic. It's God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit. God the father who's a spirit was the old testament. God the son was the time God's full spirit without measure descended into Jesus who was the only one to fulfill all the righteousness of God while also asking mercy for people. God the holy spirit is the request of the spirit of God. Yoruba religion (IFA) is quite similar. There's one supreme God called Olorun Oluwa Olodumare whose spirit descended into several Yoruba ancestors (known as the Orishas) who did great things, even as their cosmos talents dictated, however Ela who's stated to be the word of God was the only one with the full spirit without measure. |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by RightChannel: 2:52pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
ahmedio2017:Which Bible are you talking about again that comprises of Torah and Injeel the one that is not corrupt? ahmedio2017: |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Samunique(m): 2:59pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
ahmedio2017:You no well. Jesus is a Muslim in your imagination. You're are talking about the Oneness of God up and down, if this is only thing you Muslims know about God, then you know nothing. Because, the concepts, attributes, almightiness, dynamics and the essence of God is far bigger, greater and of more importance than that elementary knowledge of the concept of His Oneness is clearly inscribed in our hearts. For your information: Satan also is one Ogun is one You're one I am one Buhari is one Tinubu is one ![]() So the Oneness continues...... Infact you Muslims in your ignorance claim to be the only monotheists in the world, even Ogun worshippers who worship none other than Ogun are also monotheists. Don't think so? Being a monotheist doesn't guarantee, and is not a proof that one is serving the true God Now, do know that this One true God, the Creator of heaven and earth does not have a limit to what he can do and become ? He can become whatever He wishes to, to achieve a purpose! In fact He can make himself being One and the same God many in other to achieve a purpose, He's not called Almighty for a joke! That's why God revealed Himself to Moses as as "I AM THAT I AM! "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh! וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים אֶל מֹש אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה וַיֹּאמֶר כֹּה תֹאמַר לִבְנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל אֶהְיֶה שְׁלָחַנִי אֲלֵיכֶם: Simply means I can become what I want to, and bring to come whatever I want. Rather than shouting one God upandan, why not investigate with an open mind wether your own type of one god is the true God. I guess there's nothing in Islam to talk bout honestly, except capitalizing on the Christians theology of the Trinity to sell Islam to the ignorants and, if that doesn't work they resort to violence, intimidations through Jihads and various political manipulations, dominations to strengthen Islam, most especially the death penalty for the apostates.
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| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 3:01pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
Okay, let's start from here. The Questions: Thirdly,Your response was: ahmedio2017:What of if someone tells his family not to bury him after his death by 1. Burning his body to NOTHING in a hot furnace or 2. Feeding his Body to 10 Hyenas, 20 Lions and 1000 Pirana fish Now that there is nothing left of the man, Can he escape the questioning of these two angels? |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 3:11pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
ahmedio2017:I gave a challenge to you for which you ran away. The questions you ran away from Prove that of the 124,000 prophets of Allah (according to your muslim scholars) siting وَإِن مِّنْ أُمَّةٍ إِلَّا خَلَا فِيهَا نَذِيرٌ , at least one of them have the names of their book written in their book (apart from the book of Mohammed). Hence, I challenge you to provide just ONE evidence that from the several thousand books of Allah (apart from the Quran), where Allah gave a name to just one of his books It seems that of the 124,000 books of Allah, only the Qur'an was named by Allah: is this untrue? This could mean only that the Qur'an is a FRAUD! |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 3:16pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
ahmedio2017:So why did Allah say Christians will enter Paradise? Was he confused? Why then did Allah say the you Muslims will enter the fire of Hell? |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 3:44pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
TenQ:1. Was Jesus really crucified? The Gospel of John portrays Jesus’ crucifixion occurring on the day of preparation for Passover, while the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) suggest it happened after Passover. Which really was it? The Synoptic Gospels mention Simon of Cyrene helping Jesus carry his cross, while John’s Gospel does not include this detail. The Gospel of John presents a different sequence of events during the crucifixion compared to the Synoptic Gospels. In John, Jesus’ trial before Pontius Pilate occurs before the trial before Annas, whereas in the Synoptics, it happens after. In John’s Gospel, Nicodemus assists Joseph of Arimathea in preparing Jesus’ body for burial, whereas in the Synoptics, Joseph of Arimathea alone takes initiative to bury Jesus. In John, the inscription on the cross reads “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews” in Hebrew, Latin, and Greek. In the Synoptic Gospels, it simply states “This is Jesus, the King of the Jews” in Latin and Greek. In John, Jesus is said to have spoken to the women present at the crucifixion, specifically his mother Mary and the disciple’s mother, while in the Synoptics, there is no mention of this interaction. In John’s Gospel, Jesus willingly gives up his spirit and declares “It is finished,” whereas in the Synoptics, he cries out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”) before he dies. In John, it is the Roman soldier who pierces Jesus’ side with a spear, while in the Synoptics, it is a soldier from the Jewish authorities. The Gospels offer varying accounts regarding who discovered the empty tomb first and what they saw there. The timing and circumstances surrounding Jesus’ appearances after his resurrection differ among the Gospel narratives. The Gospels were written decades after the events they describe, raising questions about their accuracy and reliability as historical sources. The lack of contemporary non-Christian sources documenting Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection has led some to question the veracity of these events. The Gospel of Matthew describes Judas Iscariot’s remorse after betraying Jesus and returning the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests before hanging himself. In contrast, the Book of Acts narrates Judas falling headlong and bursting open in a field. So what truly happened to Judas Iscariot? Or did he buy land with the proceeds of his betrayal? Could theological motivations have influenced how the Gospel writers shaped their narratives, potentially leading to embellishments or alterations for doctrinal purposes? Differences in emphasis or theological themes across the Gospels have raised questions about whether they present a completely objective historical record. According to the Gospel of Mark, Jesus was crucified at the third hour (Mark 15:25), which is usually interpreted as 9 AM. It is mentioned that he died before sunset, as the Sabbath was approaching (Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54). This would suggest a timespan of approximately six to nine hours from the time of crucifixion to death. Mark 15:44 mentioned that Pilate marveled at the news of Jesus’ swift death and summoned the centurion to confirm if Jesus was indeed dead before granting permission for his body to be given to Joseph of Arimathea for burial. This account suggests that Pilate had doubts about the rapidity of Jesus’ death and wanted to ensure that he was truly deceased before allowing his body to be taken down from the cross. 2. In the Book of Genesis, Adam is described as a son of God (Genesis 5:1-2). In the Book of Exodus, Moses is instructed by God to tell Pharaoh that Israel is His firstborn son (Exodus 4:22-23). These instances suggest that the concept of being a child of God existed before the time of Jesus. Now in absolute terms does your designing and building a house or car make it your child? 3. What do you mean by Islam creating another means of salvation? Please be specific or detailed so I understand you. 4. It seems you have a misconception and gross misunderstanding of the verse you may refer to but it's wrong I pre-empt you so please explain this. 5. By God's solution do you refer to this being through Jesus? How come a same God of yesterday, today and forever change the course at some point in the journey. The rules and laws of God are said not to change. The following questions tend towards some repetition of the former except 3. Matthew 22:30, “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. The question is why should mankind change to angels? These are separate entities or aren't they? Revelation 21:1-4 describes that there will be a new heaven and a new earth where God will live with his people. “He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” This suggests that there will be a sense of community and companionship in Heaven. The marriages in Islam you refer to are in what sense? Are these relations same as earthly ones. That you will continue enjoying companionship of your earthly wives in paradise doesn't mean it will be like that on earth. The relationship between righteous men and houris in Jannah is one of companionship, beauty, and pleasure.The nature of this relationship between righteous men and houris in Jannah will be that the relationship is purely spiritual and symbolic, representing the ultimate fulfillment and joy that believers will experience in Paradise. |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 3:55pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
TenQ:Wonderful assertions. Is it not contradictory? You say your God is of 3 equal God's in Father, son and holy spirit that are not equal to one another yet are all God? Is this not confusing? When of the three equal one is most supreme or isn't this? Jesus did say the father God is greater than him and knows what he doesn't know. This same father sends the holy spirit and son Jesus but the latter 2 don't send the father or do they? Is it like water a molecule of 2 hydrogen atoms that can be separated into it's constituents or Ozone that may be different Isotopes of Oxygen? |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 3:58pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
The presence of whatever quantity of poison in a food doesn't prevent it from being eaten. Once eaten the poisonous effects start to reflect. This is the effect of the modification in the previous scripture on the believers of this |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 4:49pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
TenQ:Quote the ayat and read it well, Christian who do good and BELIEVE. NOW the question is do you belief in Allah and prophet Muhammad s.a.w? |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 4:51pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
TenQ:Maybe you should list out the 124,000 prophets.... |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 4:56pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
TenQ:It is your spirit and soul that will be questioned because once you die you become a spirit. |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 5:00pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
Samunique:That's why I said you are not a Jesus follower, it is beyond ur knowledge and understanding as a result of what you are being told by ur pastors eeya sorry... Now ask your pastors the following questions 1, what is Jesus Christ religion because he believed in monotheistic and Christianity beliefs in polytheistic why the differences? 2. How does Jesus Christ PBUH worshiped his God. |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 5:08pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
RightChannel:Don't be confused Mr man, I have told you those who wrote Bible which was championed by Paul most especially new testament.... Torah is a book given to Moses pbup and not Bible Injeel is a book given to Jesus Christ PBUH and not Bible Bible most especially the new testament is a book written and compiled by Paul..... There is no verse in Torah and injeel that says God RESTED and make a mistakes There is no verse in injeel that says God REGRETTED But you will find everything inside the bible it shows how corrupt the Bible is.... In your own reasoning, can Almighty God REGRET ? It sound so foolish and ridiculous.... Can you now call that one a book of God? |
| Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by RightChannel: 6:21pm On Mar 20, 2024 |
ahmedio2017:Even Torah the book of Moses found in the Bible was written by Paul right? RightChannel:Will you explain this your statement? Which Bible are you saying that comprises of Torah and Injeel, the one that is not corrupt?? ahmedio2017:I've been interacting with many slaves here on nairaland but I've never seen anyone so gullible like you among them |
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What you're saying in essence is that your god is experimenting? Should that be a God ? Pls think about it and seek for the knowledge of the true God with an open mind. Bcs this your experimenting god can't be God.......
