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Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 12:23pm On Mar 20, 2024
ahmedio2017:
On the emergence of the Trinity
Christians had a dilemma as soon as they declared that Christ was God. If Christ is God and God the Father is God, doesn't that make two gods? And when you throw the Holy Spirit into the mix, doesn't that make three gods? So aren't Christians polytheists? Christians wanted to insist, no, they're monotheists. Well, if they're monotheists, how can all three be God?
I don't blame you. If Allah or Mohammed understood what Trinity is, you will not enter into this quagmire of confusion.

I will show you from Islam what you don't understand as long as you answer my questions truthfully

Firstly,
Do you Muslims believe in three Jesus
1. Jesus is a Human MESSENGER of Allah
2. Jesus is the WORD of Allah
3. Jesus is a SPIRIT from Allah


Is this a contradiction?


Secondly,
1 Is it true that the Prophets in their graves are praying to Allah?
2. Is it true that your prophet literally rode on Al-Burak to paradise?



Thirdly,
1. Is it true that when a person dies, two angels will come to his grave and ask him three questions?
2. Is it true that if he answers the questions correctly, his grave would be made comfortable for him otherwise, his grave would be made uncomfortable to him?
3. Can a human being escape the questioning of these two angels?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by RightChannel: 12:36pm On Mar 20, 2024
ahmedio2017:
Torah is for Moses?
What are the books of Moses?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Samunique(m): 12:39pm On Mar 20, 2024
ahmedio2017:
The problem with u guys is that you lack knowledge and you are not willing and ready to learn...

Now what is abrogated?

Abrogation is the act of canceling, nullifying, or repealing something, almost always in an official or legal context. To abrogate something is to repeal or cancel it, so abrogation is the act of repealing or canceling. This is mainly a legal term.

In order word amendment.

Abrogation in the Qur'an refers to the phenomenon of a later verse changing or
altering a ruling established by a verse revealed earlier, either in whole or in part.


The truth is that abrogation is further evidence of the divine origin of the Qur'an
because it has delivered appropriate rules to be applied in different situations,
reflecting the Wisdom of the Creator who intended Islam to be applicable to all
times, places, and people. If the text had a rigid set of rules, it would have been too
inflexible for modern people, let alone the early Muslims, to follow its guidance in their life


Abrogation occurs by the Will and Wisdom of Allah, Who knows what teachings
people need in the precise moment that they need it. It can occur between verses of
different divine books or within the same divine book.
Allah said:
A. We do not abrogate a verse and allow it to be forgotten but that We
bring what is better than it or like it.
Do you not know that Allah has
power over all things?

1. Some specific rules in the previous revelations contained in the Torah, Psalms, and Gospel were abrogated by rules laid down in Islam although the spirit of all the
divine books is the same. For example, Jews celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday,
Christians celebrate their holy day on Sunday, and Muslims perform al-Jumu’ah
prayers on Friday. We believe that Allah guided us to single out Friday for the
weekly sermon instead of other days. Should Muslims, then, impose their religious
law on all others by force?

Allah said:
To each among you We have made a law and a way. If Allah had willed, He would have made you into a single nation, but He tests you
in what you have been given. Thus, race towards what is good. Unto Allah will all of you return and He will tell you about that in which
you differed.

2.The religion of the Prophets is the same single religion, while the laws they
followed changed over time and place. As Qatadah said, “The religion is one, but
the laws are different.” And he also said, “The Torah has a law, the Gospel has a
law, and the Qur'an has a law. Allah permits in them what He wills and forbids
what He wills as a trial, that it may be known who obeys Him and who disobeys
Him. Rather, the religion is one, besides which none is accepted: monotheism and
sincerity to Allah, which was brought by the Messengers.
@bolded, A. So you're telling the world plainly that almighty allah cannot tell the end from the beginning, that he has to replace some verses with better ones ?

Do know the implications of what you're saying huh What you're saying in essence is that your god is experimenting? Should that be a God ? Pls think about it and seek for the knowledge of the true God with an open mind. Bcs this your experimenting god can't be God.......


@bolded, 1. You say your god abrogated some things in Torah, Zabur and Injil by some laid down rules in Islam ? Now if we say you Muslims are confused with your prophet you will say that we're blasphemous ! undecided

Isn't it the same book that allah asks the Christians to judge according to what's there is what you're saying has been abrogated with some verses in your quran ? Tell me if this your claim doesn't contradict the quranic verses at the very bottom end of this post huh

Moreover, abrogation only exists in the quran verses bcs your god was indecisive and unable to see the future clearly unlike the God of the Bible!!!!

Isaiah 46:9-10 KJV
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10. Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

[Quran Chapter 5]

46. In their footsteps, We sent Jesus son of Mary, fulfilling the Torah that preceded him; and We gave him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, and confirming the Torah that preceded him, and guidance and counsel to the righteous.

47. So let the people of the Gospel rule according to what God revealed in it. Those who do not rule according to what God revealed are the sinners.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 12:52pm On Mar 20, 2024
Samunique:
@bolded, A. So you're telling the world plainly that almighty allah cannot tell the end from the beginning, that he has to replace some verses with better ones ?

Do know the implications of what you're saying huh What you're saying in essence is that your god is experimenting? Should that be a God ? Pls think about it and seek for the knowledge of the true God with an open mind. Bcs this your experimenting god can't be God.......


@bolded, 1. You say your god abrogated some things in Torah, Zabur and Injil by some laid down rules in Islam ? Now if we say you Muslims are confused with your prophet you will say that we're blasphemous ! undecided

Isn't it the same book that allah asks the Christians to judge according to what's there is what you're saying has been abrogated with some verses in your quran ? Tell me if this your claim doesn't contradict the quranic verses at the very bottom end of this post huh

Moreover, abrogation only exists in the quran verses bcs your god was indecisive and unable to see the future clearly unlike the God of the Bible!!!!

Isaiah 46:9-10 KJV
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10. Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

[Quran Chapter 5]

46. In their footsteps, We sent Jesus son of Mary, fulfilling the Torah that preceded him; and We gave him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, and confirming the Torah that preceded him, and guidance and counsel to the righteous.

47. So let the people of the Gospel rule according to what God revealed in it. Those who do not rule according to what God revealed are the sinners.
Oga all Muslims believed in Jesus Christ PBUH he is one of our prophets, what exactly is you guys problem jumping from one point to another.


What about your own Bible that says God RESTED and REGRETTED that created you.

Does that make sense to you?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 12:57pm On Mar 20, 2024
RightChannel:
What are the books of Moses?
Lolz Tenq u guys should come n rescue this one o, because it seems you are loosing it.


Which are the books of Moses?
"The five books of Moses are referred to as the Pentateuch, and encompasses the first five books of the Old Testament: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. These books give the foundation for Jewish law and religion, and outlined the covenants given to Jewish people by their God.


Still no where they wrote the word Bible oga
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by RightChannel: 1:15pm On Mar 20, 2024
ahmedio2017:
Lolz Tenq u guys should come n rescue this one o, because it seems you are loosing it.


Which are the books of Moses?
"The five books of Moses are referred to as the Pentateuch, and encompasses the first five books of the Old Testament: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. These books give the foundation for Jewish law and religion, and outlined the covenants given to Jewish people by their God.


Still no where they wrote the word Bible oga
Is the five books of Moses found in Quran or Bible?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 1:19pm On Mar 20, 2024
TenQ:
I don't blame you. If Allah or Mohammed understood what Trinity is, you will not enter into this quagmire of confusion.

I will show you from Islam what you don't understand as long as you answer my questions truthfully

Darkness Christianity can never overcome light Islam [color=#006600][/color]

Firstly,
Do you Muslims believe in three Jesus
1. Jesus is a Human MESSENGER of Allah
2. Jesus is the WORD of Allah
3. Jesus is a SPIRIT from Allah

Is this a contradiction?

No contradictions here
1. Jesus Christ PBUH is a messenger of Allah which he confirmed even in your so called Bible. Jesus said I have not come to fulfill my own will if not he that sent me.

2. What is a word of God? A word of God literally means be and it shall be. Word of God belong to God, God uses his word to create heaven and the earth and everything inside the earth and everything inside the heaven. You and your entire generations are word of God.

3. Who created a spirit? "spirit", but in the Quran itself, it means "a special angel messenger and a special divine quality".

Calling him a spirit does not disqualify him as a messenger of God.

The angels are spirit and they still serve as a messenger of God i.e angel Gabriel.


Secondly,
1 Is it true that the Prophets in their graves are praying to Allah?


Allah Most High says:

“And say not of those who are slain (martyred) in the way of Allah, “they are dead”, nay, they are living, though you perceive it not” (Surah al-Baqarah, 154).

Regarding this verse, the great Hadith expert (hafidh), Imam Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (Allah have mercy on him) states in his monumental commentary of Sahih al-Bukhari, ‘Fath al-Bari’:

“When the living of the martyrs is proven from the text of the Qur’an, then this is also proven from a analogical point of view. And the Prophets are superior then the martyrs” (Fath al-Bari, 6/379).

2. Is it true that your prophet literally rode on Al-Burak to paradise?

Of course yes



Thirdly,
1. Is it true that when a person dies, two angels will come to his grave and ask him three questions?


Of course yes

2. Is it true that if he answers the questions correctly, his grave would be made comfortable for him otherwise, his grave would be made uncomfortable to him?

Of course

3. Can a human being escape the questioning of these two angels?
You can't escape the questioning
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 1:26pm On Mar 20, 2024
RightChannel:
Is the five books of Moses found in Quran or Bible?
Found in the old testament and

The Scrolls of Moses (Arabic: صُحُفِ مُوسَىٰ, Ṣuḥuf Mūsā) are an ancient body of scripture mentioned twice in the Quran. They are part of the religious scriptures of Islam.

the "Scrolls of Moses" are identical to the Torah of Moses. Others have stated that they could possibly refer to the Book of the Wars of the Lord, a lost text spoken of in the Old Testament or Tanakh in the Book of Numbers.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by RightChannel: 1:28pm On Mar 20, 2024
ahmedio2017:
Found in the old testament and

The Scrolls of Moses (Arabic: صُحُفِ مُوسَىٰ, Ṣuḥuf Mūsā) are an ancient body of scripture mentioned twice in the Quran. They are part of the religious scriptures of Islam.

the "Scrolls of Moses" are identical to the Torah of Moses.[23] Others have stated that they could possibly refer to the Book of the Wars of the Lord,[21] a lost text spoken of in the Old Testament or Tanakh in the Book of Numbers.
Since you know all these, why arguing stupidly?

Is the Bible not Torah and Injeel?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Samunique(m): 1:32pm On Mar 20, 2024
ahmedio2017:
That is just the honest truth, I challenge you to prove me wrong,

Who wrote Bible?
What is the source of Bible?
What does Jesus have to do Bible?
Does Jesus Christ PBUH recognizes Bible?


Just straight answer n not gibrish as usual tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue
And did Muhammad live to see a copy of quran huh grin


Don't make a mockery of someone's dresses while your own is torn from up to the bottom!!!

Meanwhile Jesus saw the scriptures, handle them, read them and preached them.
Maybe not in the completion form bcs He was still around then to fulfill and seal the rest of the scriptures that were completed in first century AD after the last book which is the book of revelation, Apocalypse.

Luke 4:16-21 KJV
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
[17] And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
[18] The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
[19] To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. [20] And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
[21] And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.


Revelation 22:18-19 KJV
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Samunique(m): 1:38pm On Mar 20, 2024
ahmedio2017:
Oga all Muslims believed in Jesus Christ PBUH he is one of our prophets, what exactly is you guys problem jumping from one point to another.


What about your own Bible that says God RESTED and REGRETTED that created you.

Does that make sense to you?
grin

No answers

No objections

The truth has finally prevailed grin

Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 1:51pm On Mar 20, 2024
RightChannel:
Since you know all these, why arguing stupidly?

Is the Bible not Torah and Injeel?
Are you ok ?

Have I ever mention Bible? Is Torah and injeel Bible?

Why are you confused like this? Torah is a book injeel is a book Bible is also a book
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 1:53pm On Mar 20, 2024
Samunique:
grin

No answers

No objections

The truth has finally prevailed grin
Are you okay?

Even Jesus Christ PBUH is a MUSLIM
He believed in oneness of God
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by RightChannel: 1:59pm On Mar 20, 2024
ahmedio2017:
Are you ok ?

Have I ever mention Bible? Is Torah and injeel Bible?

Why are you confused like this? Torah is a book injeel is a book Bible is also a book
When things fall apart for you, the end result is to start insulting your family at home

I read one of the post where you uttered this, are you silly and crazy when typing it or your memory lost when dropping it here?


ahmedio2017:
Bible comprises of injeel and Torah together with fallacies and fables is it hard for you to comprehend? Bible comprises of a lot of defects and errors so we cannot follow that book that has been compromised
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Dsimmer: 2:16pm On Mar 20, 2024
ahmedio2017:
Are you okay?

Even Jesus Christ PBUH is a MUSLIM
He believed in oneness of God
Jesus ain't a Muslim. Sink that into your brain. Jesus predates Islam and the terrorist Mohammed. Jesus didn't recite any shahadah. Meanwhile, Mohammed got his Islam idea from the cousin of his first wife who preached Christianity to Mohammed.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 2:30pm On Mar 20, 2024
Dsimmer:
Jesus ain't a Muslim. Sink that into your brain. Jesus predates Islam and the terrorist Mohammed. Jesus didn't recite any shahadah. Meanwhile, Mohammed got his Islam idea from the cousin of his first wife who preached Christianity to Mohammed.
MUMU, Jesus believed in oneness of God
Jesus submitted to the will of God those are the qualities of ISLAM.

Christianity is a polytheistic religion
There is no similarities between Jesus Christ PBUH religion and that of Christianity use your head oga.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 2:34pm On Mar 20, 2024
RightChannel:
When things fall apart for you, the end result is to start insulting your family at home

I read one of the post where you uttered this, are you silly and crazy when typing it or your memory lost when dropping it here?
I didn't dispute it either.......

They are separate books oga. Bible is corrupted and altered you are just disturbing yourself. Torah and injeel can also be found in the bible doesn't connote that Torah and injeel is Bible. At least u go school na....
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Dsimmer:
ahmedio2017:
MUMU, Jesus believed in oneness of God
Jesus submitted to the will of God those are the qualities of ISLAM.

Christianity is a polytheistic religion
There is no similarities between Jesus Christ PBUH religion and that of Christianity use your head oga.
Ode, Jesus didn't recite any shahadah nor worship a stone idol in mecca. Jesus predates Islam and its terrorist founder, Mohammed! Jesus isn't an Arab to begin with.

Christianity isn't polytheistic. It's God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit. God the father who's a spirit was the old testament. God the son was the time God's full spirit without measure descended into Jesus who was the only one to fulfill all the righteousness of God while also asking mercy for people. God the holy spirit is the request of the spirit of God.

Yoruba religion (IFA) is quite similar. There's one supreme God called Olorun Oluwa Olodumare whose spirit descended into several Yoruba ancestors (known as the Orishas) who did great things, even as their cosmos talents dictated, however Ela who's stated to be the word of God was the only one with the full spirit without measure.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by RightChannel: 2:52pm On Mar 20, 2024
ahmedio2017:
I didn't dispute it either.......

They are separate books oga. Bible is corrupted and altered you are just disturbing yourself. Torah and injeel can also be found in the bible doesn't connote that Torah and injeel is Bible. At least u go school na....
Which Bible are you talking about again that comprises of Torah and Injeel the one that is not corrupt?


ahmedio2017:
Bible comprises of injeel and Torah together with fallacies and fables is it hard for you to comprehend? Bible comprises of a lot of defects and errors so we cannot follow that book that has been compromised
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Samunique(m): 2:59pm On Mar 20, 2024
ahmedio2017:
Are you okay?

Even Jesus Christ PBUH is a MUSLIM
He believed in oneness of God
You no well.

Jesus is a Muslim in your imagination.

You're are talking about the Oneness of God up and down, if this is only thing you Muslims know about God, then you know nothing.
Because, the concepts, attributes, almightiness, dynamics and the essence of God is far bigger, greater and of more importance than that elementary knowledge of the concept of His Oneness is clearly inscribed in our hearts.

For your information:

Satan also is one
Ogun is one
You're one
I am one
Buhari is one
Tinubu is one grin

So the Oneness continues......

Infact you Muslims in your ignorance claim to be the only monotheists in the world, even Ogun worshippers who worship none other than Ogun are also monotheists. Don't think so?

Being a monotheist doesn't guarantee, and is not a proof that one is serving the true God

Now, do know that this One true God, the Creator of heaven and earth does not have a limit to what he can do and become ?
He can become whatever He wishes to, to achieve a purpose! In fact He can make himself being One and the same God many in other to achieve a purpose, He's not called Almighty for a joke!

That's why God revealed Himself to Moses as as "I AM THAT I AM! "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh!

וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים אֶל מֹש אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה וַיֹּאמֶר כֹּה תֹאמַר לִבְנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל אֶהְיֶה שְׁלָחַנִי אֲלֵיכֶם:

Simply means I can become what I want to, and bring to come whatever I want.

Rather than shouting one God upandan, why not investigate with an open mind wether your own type of one god is the true God.

I guess there's nothing in Islam to talk bout honestly, except capitalizing on the Christians theology of the Trinity to sell Islam to the ignorants and, if that doesn't work they resort to violence, intimidations through Jihads and various political manipulations, dominations to strengthen Islam, most especially the death penalty for the apostates.

Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 3:01pm On Mar 20, 2024
Okay, let's start from here.
The Questions:

Thirdly,
1. Is it true that when a person dies, two angels will come to his grave and ask him three questions?
2. Is it true that if he answers the questions correctly, his grave would be made comfortable for him otherwise, his grave would be made uncomfortable to him?
3. Can a human being escape the questioning of these two angels?
Your response was:
ahmedio2017:
1.Of course yes
2.Of course yes
3.You can't escape the questioning
What of if someone tells his family not to bury him after his death by
1. Burning his body to NOTHING in a hot furnace or
2. Feeding his Body to 10 Hyenas, 20 Lions and 1000 Pirana fish


Now that there is nothing left of the man, Can he escape the questioning of these two angels?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 3:11pm On Mar 20, 2024
ahmedio2017:
Lolz Tenq u guys should come n rescue this one o, because it seems you are loosing it.


Which are the books of Moses?
"The five books of Moses are referred to as the Pentateuch, and encompasses the first five books of the Old Testament: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. These books give the foundation for Jewish law and religion, and outlined the covenants given to Jewish people by their God.


Still no where they wrote the word Bible oga
I gave a challenge to you for which you ran away.

The questions you ran away from
Prove that of the 124,000 prophets of Allah (according to your muslim scholars) siting وَإِن مِّنْ أُمَّةٍ إِلَّا خَلَا فِيهَا نَذِيرٌ , at least one of them have the names of their book written in their book (apart from the book of Mohammed).

Hence, I challenge you to provide just ONE evidence that from the several thousand books of Allah (apart from the Quran), where Allah gave a name to just one of his books

It seems that of the 124,000 books of Allah, only the Qur'an was named by Allah: is this untrue?

This could mean only that the Qur'an is a FRAUD!
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ(op): 3:16pm On Mar 20, 2024
ahmedio2017:
MUMU, Jesus believed in oneness of God
Jesus submitted to the will of God those are the qualities of ISLAM.

Christianity is a polytheistic religion
There is no similarities between Jesus Christ PBUH religion and that of Christianity use your head oga.
So why did Allah say Christians will enter Paradise?
Was he confused?

Why then did Allah say the you Muslims will enter the fire of Hell?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 3:44pm On Mar 20, 2024
TenQ:
Unfortunately,
1. Islam says Jesus did not die on the cross
2. Islam does not know the purpose of the Messiah
3. Islam created another means of salvation which lacks any guarantee
4. Islam says ALL Muslims will enter Hell fire but later they will be removed
5. Islam rejects God's solution for salvation from the Fire of Hell.

1. Jesus called Himself the Son of God which Islam contradicts
2. Jesus gave us the power to becomes God's children, which Islam contradicts
3. Jesus says in Heaven (paradise) , we shall not marry wives as we shall all be like Angels, but Islam says we will marry Houri and even women from the inmates of Hell
4. Jesus said that He is the WAY, the Truth and the LIFE and NO ONE can enter Paradise without Him.
John 14:6:
"Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."
1. Was Jesus really crucified?

The Gospel of John portrays Jesus’ crucifixion occurring on the day of preparation for Passover, while the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) suggest it happened after Passover. Which really was it?

The Synoptic Gospels mention Simon of Cyrene helping Jesus carry his cross, while John’s Gospel does not include this detail.

The Gospel of John presents a different sequence of events during the crucifixion compared to the Synoptic Gospels.

In John, Jesus’ trial before Pontius Pilate occurs before the trial before Annas, whereas in the Synoptics, it happens after.

In John’s Gospel, Nicodemus assists Joseph of Arimathea in preparing Jesus’ body for burial, whereas in the Synoptics, Joseph of Arimathea alone takes initiative to bury Jesus.

In John, the inscription on the cross reads “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews” in Hebrew, Latin, and Greek. In the Synoptic Gospels, it simply states “This is Jesus, the King of the Jews” in Latin and Greek.

In John, Jesus is said to have spoken to the women present at the crucifixion, specifically his mother Mary and the disciple’s mother, while in the Synoptics, there is no mention of this interaction.

In John’s Gospel, Jesus willingly gives up his spirit and declares “It is finished,” whereas in the Synoptics, he cries out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”) before he dies.

In John, it is the Roman soldier who pierces Jesus’ side with a spear, while in the Synoptics, it is a soldier from the Jewish authorities.

The Gospels offer varying accounts regarding who discovered the empty tomb first and what they saw there.

The timing and circumstances surrounding Jesus’ appearances after his resurrection differ among the Gospel narratives.

The Gospels were written decades after the events they describe, raising questions about their accuracy and reliability as historical sources.

The lack of contemporary non-Christian sources documenting Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection has led some to question the veracity of these events.

The Gospel of Matthew describes Judas Iscariot’s remorse after betraying Jesus and returning the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests before hanging himself.

In contrast, the Book of Acts narrates Judas falling headlong and bursting open in a field. So what truly happened to Judas Iscariot? Or did he buy land with the proceeds of his betrayal?

Could theological motivations have influenced how the Gospel writers shaped their narratives, potentially leading to embellishments or alterations for doctrinal purposes?

Differences in emphasis or theological themes across the Gospels have raised questions about whether they present a completely objective historical record.

According to the Gospel of Mark, Jesus was crucified at the third hour (Mark 15:25), which is usually interpreted as 9 AM. It is mentioned that he died before sunset, as the Sabbath was approaching (Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54). This would suggest a timespan of approximately six to nine hours from the time of crucifixion to death.


Mark 15:44 mentioned that Pilate marveled at the news of Jesus’ swift death and summoned the centurion to confirm if Jesus was indeed dead before granting permission for his body to be given to Joseph of Arimathea for burial. This account suggests that Pilate had doubts about the rapidity of Jesus’ death and wanted to ensure that he was truly deceased before allowing his body to be taken down from the cross.


2. In the Book of Genesis, Adam is described as a son of God (Genesis 5:1-2). In the Book of Exodus, Moses is instructed by God to tell Pharaoh that Israel is His firstborn son (Exodus 4:22-23). These instances suggest that the concept of being a child of God existed before the time of Jesus.

Now in absolute terms does your designing and building a house or car make it your child?

3. What do you mean by Islam creating another means of salvation? Please be specific or detailed so I understand you.

4. It seems you have a misconception and gross misunderstanding of the verse you may refer to but it's wrong I pre-empt you so please explain this.

5. By God's solution do you refer to this being through Jesus? How come a same God of yesterday, today and forever change the course at some point in the journey. The rules and laws of God are said not to change.


The following questions tend towards some repetition of the former except

3. Matthew 22:30, “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. The question is why should mankind change to angels? These are separate entities or aren't they?

Revelation 21:1-4 describes that there will be a new heaven and a new earth where God will live with his people. “He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” This suggests that there will be a sense of community and companionship in Heaven.

The marriages in Islam you refer to are in what sense? Are these relations same as earthly ones. That you will continue enjoying companionship of your earthly wives in paradise doesn't mean it will be like that on earth.

The relationship between righteous men and houris in Jannah is one of companionship, beauty, and pleasure.The nature of this relationship between righteous men and houris in Jannah will be that the relationship is purely spiritual and symbolic, representing the ultimate fulfillment and joy that believers will experience in Paradise.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 3:55pm On Mar 20, 2024
TenQ:
Even though, you Muslims know fully well that no Christian ever claim two or three God's but you definitely need the Strawman to keep up the rhetorics.

According to Islam
Is Jesus the Word of Allah?
Is Jesus a Spirit from Allah?
Is Jesus a Messanger of Allah?

Do we have three Jesus in Islam?

If you don't Understand Trinity or it looks illogical to you, I will gladly oblige you.

1. God as the Father is in the Spiritual Realm called Heaven
2. God as the Holy Spirit is Everywhere in space and time both in the Physical and Spiritual Realm
3. God as the Word is Sent to Anywhere in space and time both in the Physical and Spiritual Realm where God's will has to be established


As Muslims, you claim that God is unlike anything yet you are the first to box Allah into the limitation of Satan.

*Is it untrue that Satan is One?
*Satan is NOT Omnipresent (how can God descend from his throne to the lowest heaven) and still be on his throne in heaven?


A tiny Poison in the richest food make the food Poisonous
A tiny excrement in a Gold cup make the cup unfit for drinking!

Only if this little poison is expunged before the food can be safely eaten.

Only if the tiniest trace of the excrement is removed and the vessel disinfected can the gold cup be fit for use.
Wonderful assertions. Is it not contradictory? You say your God is of 3 equal God's in Father, son and holy spirit that are not equal to one another yet are all God? Is this not confusing? When of the three equal one is most supreme or isn't this? Jesus did say the father God is greater than him and knows what he doesn't know. This same father sends the holy spirit and son Jesus but the latter 2 don't send the father or do they?

Is it like water a molecule of 2 hydrogen atoms that can be separated into it's constituents or Ozone that may be different Isotopes of Oxygen?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 3:58pm On Mar 20, 2024
The presence of whatever quantity of poison in a food doesn't prevent it from being eaten. Once eaten the poisonous effects start to reflect.

This is the effect of the modification in the previous scripture on the believers of this
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 4:49pm On Mar 20, 2024
TenQ:
So why did Allah say Christians will enter Paradise?
Was he confused?

Why then did Allah say the you Muslims will enter the fire of Hell?
Quote the ayat and read it well, Christian who do good and BELIEVE.

NOW the question is do you belief in Allah and prophet Muhammad s.a.w?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 4:51pm On Mar 20, 2024
TenQ:
I gave a challenge to you for which you ran away.

The questions you ran away from
Prove that of the 124,000 prophets of Allah (according to your muslim scholars) siting وَإِن مِّنْ أُمَّةٍ إِلَّا خَلَا فِيهَا نَذِيرٌ , at least one of them have the names of their book written in their book (apart from the book of Mohammed).

Hence, I challenge you to provide just ONE evidence that from the several thousand books of Allah (apart from the Quran), where Allah gave a name to just one of his books

It seems that of the 124,000 books of Allah, only the Qur'an was named by Allah: is this untrue?

This could mean only that the Qur'an is a FRAUD!
Maybe you should list out the 124,000 prophets....
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 4:56pm On Mar 20, 2024
TenQ:
Okay, let's start from here.
The Questions:



Your response was:


What of if someone tells his family not to bury him after his death by
1. Burning his body to NOTHING in a hot furnace or


Once you die you become a spirit, it is ur spirit and soul that will be questioned. Allah is more powerful than your god so upgrade your faculty of reasoning

2. Feeding his Body to 10 Hyenas, 20 Lions and 1000 Pirana fish

The above answered this as well

Now that there is nothing left of the man, Can he escape the questioning of these two angels?
It is your spirit and soul that will be questioned because once you die you become a spirit.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 5:00pm On Mar 20, 2024
Samunique:
You no well.

Jesus is a Muslim in your imagination.

You're are talking about the Oneness of God up and down, if this is only thing you Muslims know about God, then you know nothing.
Because, the concepts, attributes, almightiness, dynamics and the essence of God is far bigger, greater and of more importance than that elementary knowledge of the concept of His Oneness is clearly inscribed in our hearts.

For your information:

Satan also is one
Ogun is one
You're one
I am one
Buhari is one
Tinubu is one grin

So the Oneness continues......

Infact you Muslims in your ignorance claim to be the only monotheists in the world, even Ogun worshippers who worship none other than Ogun are also monotheists. Don't think so?

Being a monotheist doesn't guarantee, and is not a proof that one is serving the true God

Now, do know that this One true God, the Creator of heaven and earth does not have a limit to what he can do and become ?
He can become whatever He wishes to, to achieve a purpose! In fact He can make himself being One and the same God many in other to achieve a purpose, He's not called Almighty for a joke!

That's why God revealed Himself to Moses as as "I AM THAT I AM! "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh!

וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים אֶל מֹש אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה וַיֹּאמֶר כֹּה תֹאמַר לִבְנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל אֶהְיֶה שְׁלָחַנִי אֲלֵיכֶם:

Simply means I can become what I want to, and bring to come whatever I want.

Rather than shouting one God upandan, why not investigate with an open mind wether your own type of one god is the true God.

I guess there's nothing in Islam to talk bout honestly, except capitalizing on the Christians theology of the Trinity to sell Islam to the ignorants and, if that doesn't work they resort to violence, intimidations through Jihads and various political manipulations, dominations to strengthen Islam, most especially the death penalty for the apostates.
That's why I said you are not a Jesus follower, it is beyond ur knowledge and understanding as a result of what you are being told by ur pastors eeya sorry...

Now ask your pastors the following questions

1, what is Jesus Christ religion because he believed in monotheistic and Christianity beliefs in polytheistic why the differences?

2. How does Jesus Christ PBUH worshiped his God.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ahmedio2017(m): 5:08pm On Mar 20, 2024
RightChannel:
Which Bible are you talking about again that comprises of Torah and Injeel the one that is not corrupt?
Don't be confused Mr man, I have told you those who wrote Bible which was championed by Paul most especially new testament....


Torah is a book given to Moses pbup and not Bible
Injeel is a book given to Jesus Christ PBUH and not Bible

Bible most especially the new testament is a book written and compiled by Paul.....


There is no verse in Torah and injeel that says God RESTED and make a mistakes

There is no verse in injeel that says God REGRETTED

But you will find everything inside the bible it shows how corrupt the Bible is....

In your own reasoning, can Almighty God REGRET ?

It sound so foolish and ridiculous....


Can you now call that one a book of God?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by RightChannel: 6:21pm On Mar 20, 2024
ahmedio2017:
Don't be confused Mr man, I have told you those who wrote Bible which was championed by Paul most especially new testament....


Torah is a book given to Moses pbup and not Bible
Injeel is a book given to Jesus Christ PBUH and not Bible

Bible most especially the new testament is a book written and compiled by Paul.....


There is no verse in Torah and injeel that says God RESTED and make a mistakes

There is no verse in injeel that says God REGRETTED

But you will find everything inside the bible it shows how corrupt the Bible is....

In your own reasoning, can Almighty God REGRET ?

It sound so foolish and ridiculous....


Can you now call that one a book of God?
Even Torah the book of Moses found in the Bible was written by Paul right?


RightChannel:
Which Bible are you talking about again that comprises of Torah and Injeel the one that is not corrupt?
Will you explain this your statement? Which Bible are you saying that comprises of Torah and Injeel, the one that is not corrupt??

ahmedio2017:
Bible comprises of injeel and Torah together with fallacies and fables is it hard for you to comprehend? Bible comprises of a lot of defects and errors so we cannot follow that book that has been compromised
I've been interacting with many slaves here on nairaland but I've never seen anyone so gullible like you among them
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