I cant wrap my head around this.
I don't believe this is Christianity. How can a Christian think this way?

What do you think?

Few of the replies and the ratio was heartwarming. People just couldn't stand that type of thought idea.

They are sinners because they were born in sin but that does not mean they are going to hell, one can only be judged by his or her actions.

Mathew 19:14

"Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

Jesus already answered the question.

As my brother Steep rightly said, the baby is a sinner because he was born in sin but God does not condemn him to hell because he has done nothing for which he is personally responsible.

God does not hold babies or children accountable, as seen Mathew 19:14. Just as in the wilderness, God did not hold Israelites who were below 20yrs responsible for the rebellion of the nation. Joshua and Caleb with those who were below 20yrs were blameless, but all those who were older than 20 were condemned to die in the wilderness and not enter Canaan.

Numbers 14:29
"In this wilderness your bodies will fall—every one of you twenty years old or more who was counted in the census and who has grumbled against me."

FxMasterz:
Mathew 19:14

"Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

Jesus already answered the question.

As my brother Steep rightly said, the baby is a sinner because he was born in sin but God does not condemn him to hell because he has done nothing for which he is personally responsible.

God does not hold babies or children accountable, as seen Mathew 19:14. Just as in the wilderness, God did not hold Israelites who were below 20yrs responsible for the rebellion of the nation. Joshua and Caleb with those who were below 20yrs were blameless, but all those who were older than 20 were condemned to die in the wilderness and not enter Canaan.

Numbers 14:29
"In this wilderness your bodies will fall—every one of you twenty years old or more who was counted in the census and who has grumbled against me."

You guys are distorting it as usual.

He wrote, paraphrasing that " a 4 month old SINS" not born into sin. He literally said a 4 month infant SINS.

Steep:
They are sinners because they were born in sin but that does not mean they are going to hell, one can only be judged by his or her actions.

As expected, you people have read your own meaning into this. Please read it again and tell me if he meant what you are claiming.

Obrigardo:


You guys are distorting it as usual.

He wrote, paraphrasing that " a 4 month old SINS" not born into sin. He literally said a 4 month infant SINS.

We're only clarifying the position of scripture. No one is validating or invalidating him. We only said what the scriptures say.

Obrigardo:

I cant wrap my head around this.
I don't believe this is Christianity. How can a Christian think this way?
What do you think?

Imagine Elion Musk has a baby boy today has the child inherited wealth or not?

If the child is automatically a billionaire due to being Elion Musk's child then any child born to human has inherited sin {Psalms 51:5} for all humans have sinned {Romans 3:23} through Adam! Romans 5:12

As for a child or baby they can only become God's friend if their parents introduce God's word to them {Deuteronomy 6:4-7} children born to unbelievers are God's enemies for if God orders the extermination of their parents the children will not be spared!

MaxInDHouse:


Imagine Elion Musk has a baby boy today has the child inherited wealth or not?

If the child is automatically a billionaire due to being Elion Musk's child then any child born to human has inherited sin {Psalms 51:5} for all humans have sinned {Romans 3:23} through Adam! Romans 5:12

As for a child or baby they can only become God's friend if their parents introduce God's word to them {Deuteronomy 6:4-7} children born to unbelievers are God's enemies for if God orders the extermination of their parents the children will not be spared!

I don't think you guys understood what that man wrote. He is saying a 4 month old baby CAN SIN! not born in sin. How can a 4 month old baby sin for Christ's sake?

FxMasterz:


We're only clarifying the position of scripture. No one is validating or invalidating him. We only said what the scriptures say.

So you are basically saying nothing to support or argue against his claims that a 4 month old baby CAN SIN.

Obrigardo:

I don't think you guys understood what that man wrote. He is saying a 4 month old baby CAN SIN! not born in sin. How can a 4 month old baby sin for Christ's sake?

NO, regarding such the child is innocent he can't know what sin means nor how to avoid it!

Obrigardo:


So you are basically saying nothing to support or argue against his claims that a 4 month old baby CAN SIN.

The Bible has the final say. We have presented what the Bible says. A child or a baby is innocent. That's the Bible for clarity.

FxMasterz:


The Bible has the final say. We have presented what the Bible says. A child or a baby is innocent. That's the Bible for clarity.

The baby is genetically a sinner but he is also innocent..
You people and your story book are confusing each other

Expanse2020:

The baby is genetically a sinner but he is also innocent..
You people and your story book are confusing each other

God does not input sins to babies and anyone who is not in the right frame of mind to become accountable. We're talking about accountability, not sin nature.

FxMasterz:


God does not input sins to babies and anyone who is not in the right frame of mind to become accountable. We're talking about accountability, not sin nature.

Sin is sin
Where you do it intentionally or not
And if you said he inherited a sin surely he should be punished for it...
Do how come someone who inherited a sin is not a sinner any more but innocent.

Expanse2020:

Sin is sin
Where you do it intentionally or not
And if you said he inherited a sin surely he should be punished for it...
Do how come someone who inherited a sin is not a sinner any more but innocent.

He's a sinner but not yet held accountable. Do you understand what accountability means or you just delight yourself in unnecessary arguments?

FxMasterz:


He's a sinner but not yet held accountable. Do you understand what accountability means or you just delight yourself in unnecessary arguments?

For you now the sin that Adam committed you would be accountable for it too right

Expanse2020:

For you now the sin that Adam committed you would be accountable for it too right

you just like to argue unnecessarily. Sin nature is different from committing sin, no one is talking of intentional or non intentional sin.

Steep:
you just like to argue unnecessarily. Sin nature is different from committing sin, no one is talking of intentional or non intentional sin.

Yeah if you are accountable for the sin you didn't committed don't you see that the God is not fear at all
If Adam committed sin and I, you and others have been accounted for and punish for the God is not fear

FxMasterz:


The Bible has the final say. We have presented what the Bible says. A child or a baby is innocent. That's the Bible for clarity.

So you are not arguing for the claim that a baby can sin. Thanks for the clarification. I got confused for a moment.

MaxInDHouse:


NO, regarding such the child is innocent he can't know what sin means nor how to avoid it!

Good. This is what I wanted from the start.
That man's claim is heretical at best and I put it out here so it can be rejected, and we can also use this to correct the obnoxious claim of inherent sin. Because that's absurd.

Steep:
They are sinners because they were born in sin but that does not mean they are going to hell, one can only be judged by his or her actions.

Baba Steep I dey wait for your reply for the other side oo.....we still dey on top psalm 110:1 matter oo.

Expanse2020:

For you now the sin that Adam committed you would be accountable for it too right

I'm not accountable for Adam's sins. I'm accountable for my sins.

I'm a sinner because I inherited a sin nature from Adam, not because I'm accountable for Adam's sins. A child is not accountable for his/her sin nature until he reaches an age when he could be accountable for his actions. An age when he can either accept or reject God's provision for his spiritual rebirth.

Expanse2020:

Sin is sin
Where you do it intentionally or not
And if you said he inherited a sin surely he should be punished for it...
Do how come someone who inherited a sin is not a sinner any more but innocent.

You don't get it!

We inherited a sinful NATURE from Adam means we have that nature that will always expose us to SIN not that we have committed any sin (i.e brake any God's law)

SIN simply means violating God's Law.

Emusan:


You don't get it!

We inherited a sinful NATURE from Adam means we have that nature that will always expose us to SIN not that we have committed any sin (i.e brake any God's law)

SIN simply means violating God's Law.

Does that mean a 4 month old baby violated God's law? what kind of destructive doctrine is that?

Obrigardo:


Does that mean a 4 month old baby violated God's law? what kind of destructive doctrine is that?

I believe that question of yours has been answered above.

Obrigardo:

Good. This is what I wanted from the start.
That man's claim is heretical at best and I put it out here so it can be rejected, and we can also use this to correct the obnoxious claim of inherent sin. Because that's absurd.

As for inherent sin it's the truth we inherited sin from conception that's why things that aren't supposed to affect our existence do cut it off even right in the womb of our mothers.
Have you sin a mosquito before?
It's inherent sin that makes it suck human blood and of course you know that it used to suck the blood of babies too if not for inherent sin all other creatures should fear humans like demigods!

MaxInDHouse:
NO, regarding such the child is innocent he can't know what sin means nor how to avoid it!

But you agreed with your gods that children are God's enemies.

So, if a Child is INNOCENT and can't know what SIN means.

Is an INNOCENT and someone who doesn't sin an enemy of God?

Obrigardo:


Good. This is what I wanted from the start.
That man's claim is heretical at best and I put it out here so it can be rejected, and we can also use this to correct the obnoxious claim of inherent sin. Because that's absurd.

See now, you have stretched it to inherent sin forgetting that inherent sin also means the ability to sin, which a baby can do after growing up and knowing what things are good or evil.

But till then, he is incapable of sin until he reaches the age of sin liability. Criminal liability

Expanse2020:

Sin is sin
Where you do it intentionally or not
And if you said he inherited a sin surely he should be punished for it...
Do how come someone who inherited a sin is not a sinner any more but innocent.

If you were a Christian and not a Muslim then you would have known that a person always intend to sin, when they sin.

If they did not intend to sin, every just Judge will see it.

Emusan:


But you agreed with your gods that children are God's enemies.

So, if a Child is INNOCENT and can't know what SIN means.

Is an INNOCENT and someone who doesn't sin an enemy of God?

YES!
We are all born sinners {Romans 3:23; 5:12} but the OP is asking if a newly baby committed a sin that's what i explained that regarding commiting sin the baby is INNOCENT.

For more insight on INNOCENT and FAITHFUL read more on the below thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/7848261/difference-he-innocent-faithful

May you have PEACE!

Obrigardo:
I cant wrap my head around this.
I don't believe this is Christianity. How can a Christian think this way?

What do you think?

It's not even top 50 most terrible things I've heard or seen Christians say.