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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 3:04am On Apr 01
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by monerozi5590: 4:32am On Apr 01
Theflint1:
Na so IGR take dey dry up ni, all within 9 months? The IGR came about from businesses and machinery that were put in place and these things are not what would just up and vanish within 9 months, so it's either those IGR numbers were being manipulated somehow, or whatever IGR is being generated is being swallowed by the debt El-Rufai left behind.

That said I don't think complaints are the way to go, Uba Sani is APC just like El-Rufai, and I believe would have been in the know of things if he wasn't even part of the government on some level, no be im suppose dey complain.


Who tell you sai IGR dry up. Even before the coming of El Rufai, Kaduna State is up there in terms of revenue generated per state.

There's a reason why El Rufai is called a digital governor. El Rufai digitised some things in Kaduna State like collection of tax and all. El Rufai reform tax collection in Kaduna State. The E- payment platform helps to block leakages in revenue collection. This even boost Kaduna IGR to a new level.

El Rufai met debt too, both external and domestic debt when he came in as governor. He left with debt too and some savings in the state treasury.

No one can deny the work of El Rufai in Kaduna State, not even his enemies.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 4:37am On Apr 01
monerozi5590:



Who tell you sai IGR dry up. Even before the coming of El Rufai, Kaduna State is up there in terms of revenue generated per state.

There's a reason why El Rufai is called a digital governor. El Rufai digitised some things in Kaduna State like collection of tax and all. El Rufai reform tax collection in Kaduna State. The E- payment platform helps to block leakages in revenue collection. This even boost Kaduna IGR to a new level.

El Rufai met debt too, both external and domestic debt when he came in as governor. He left with debt too and some savings in the state treasury.

No one can deny the work of El Rufai in Kaduna State, not even his enemies.


U are missing his point. He's not claiming IGR dried up; instead he's asking what happened that Uba Sani suddenly cannot pay salaries with increased FAAC allocation and the same level of IGR El-Rufai left behind 9-10 months ago?

Yes El-Rufai was also servicing debt and all; but how come Uba Sani is saying Debt servicing alone has swallowed all the state's potential income? What was El-Rufai doing?
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by monerozi5590: 4:39am On Apr 01
GloriousGbola:


of course they will be - it is the civil service of kaduna who may find themselves on 'afusa ' [half salary] that will not be fine about this


Not possible sir. Not Kaduna. Kaduna State can even pay salary without FAAC.

The states with robust internal revenue are Lagos, Kano, Anambra, Edo, Enugu, Imo, Kaduna, Kwara, Osun, Ogun and Zamfara.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by monerozi5590: 4:44am On Apr 01
BlueRayDick:


U are missing his point. He's not claiming IGR dried up; instead he's asking what happened that Uba Sani suddenly cannot pay salaries with increased FAAC allocation and the same level of IGR El-Rufai left behind 9-10 months ago?

Yes El-Rufai was also servicing debt and all; but how come Uba Sani is saying Debt servicing alone has swallowed all the state's potential income? What was El-Rufai doing?


Uba Sani is complaining about the exchange rate in paying debt.

If you check what he said yesterday, they deducted his FAAC to service debt. He only received the net allocation.

Kaduna State is paying salary. Kaduna State is not owing her workers one kobo.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Ibime(m): 4:49am On Apr 01
monerozi5590:



Uba Sani is complaining about the exchange rate in paying debt.

If you check what he said yesterday, they deducted his FAAC to service debt. He only received the net allocation.

Kaduna State is paying salary. Kaduna State is not owing her workers one kobo.

You are right. Kaduna IGR is about N80bln per year, more than enough to cover salaries etc.


Why the mudslinging between Sani and ElRufai?

Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 4:49am On Apr 01
monerozi5590:



Not possible sir. Not Kaduna. Kaduna State can even pay salary without FAAC.

The states with robust internal revenue are Lagos, Kano, Anambra, Edo, Enugu, Imo, Kaduna, Kwara, Osun, Ogun and Zamfara.




https://dailytrust.com/why-kaduna-cant-pay-salaries-gov-sani/

The Kaduna State governor, Uba Sani, says his administration is unable to pay workers’ salaries because of the huge debts inherited from the government of his predecessor, Nasir El-Rufai.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 4:50am On Apr 01
monerozi5590:



Uba Sani is complaining about the exchange rate in paying debt.

If you check what he said yesterday, they deducted his FAAC to service debt. He only received the net allocation.

Kaduna State is paying salary. Kaduna State is not owing her workers one kobo.

Nobody arguing what Uba Sani said cos it's out in the open. Below is what he said

Kaduna State governor, Uba Sani, has raised the alarm that his administration inherited a huge debt burden of $587 million, N85 billion, and 115 contractual liabilities from the previous administration, making it difficult for him to pay workers’ salaries now.

He, however, said that despite the humongous debt burden on the State government, he was yet to borrow a single kobo in the last nine months of his administration.

The governor, who stated this in Kaduna on Saturday while addressing a Town Hall Meeting, added that the huge debt burden was eating deep into the State’s monthly Federal Allocation of fund, hence the state was finding it difficult to pay monthly salaries.

Governor Sani lamented that due to the rise in the exchange rate, Kaduna State is now paying back almost triple of what was borrowed by the previous administration of former governor Nasir El-Rufai.

He explained that N7billion out of the N10billion Federal Allocation due to the State in the month of March was deducted to service the debt.

The governor further lamented that the state was left with N3billion, an amount which is not enough to pay salaries, as the state’s monthly salary bill stands at N5.2billion.



What Theflint1 and other people like myself are concerned about is what the governor didn't say. He didn't talk about the IGR. Yes we undertand there's exchnage fluctuatuons which is affecting the amount they are using to service the debt from FAAC allocation.

But what happened to the IGR generated locally ? Like the IGR they generate in real time at the current value of the naira ? He kept mum about that but boldly telling who cares to listen that anytime soon salary might stop for civil servants .

The fact that u got March salary as a civil servant does not mean u will get April's. The way the governor came out to announce this unprovoked shows there's shege ahead. Except he just feels like spreading panic to u guys sha
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 4:52am On Apr 01
Ibime:


You are right. Kaduna IGR is about N80bln per year, more than enough to cover salaries etc.


Why the mudslinging between Sani and ElRufai?

This is the million dollar question.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Ibime(m): 4:54am On Apr 01
BlueRayDick:


Nobody arguing what Uba Sani said cos it's out in the open. Below is what he said



What Theflint1 and other people like myself are concerned about is what the governor didn't say. He didn't talk about the IGR. Yes we undertand there's exchnage fluctuatuons which is affecting the amount they are using to service the debt from FAAC allocation.

But what happened to the IGR generated locally ? Like the IGR they generate in real time at the current value of the naira ? He kept mum about that but boldly telling who cares to listen that anytime soon salary might stop for civil servants .

The fact that u got March salary as a civil servant does not mean u will get April's. The way the governor came out to announce this unprovoked shows there's shege ahead. Except he just feels like spreading panic to u guys sha

Maybe he is creating space to chop for future.

That said, El-Rufai excuse of borrowing for the Kaduna economy to spend its way out of COVID is lame. Stimulating consumption through Keynesian initiatives is not really in the hands of State Governors, and is more of a National initiative. A state can't really spend its way out of a morose National situation.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 4:56am On Apr 01
Ibime:


You are right. Kaduna IGR is about N80bln per year, more than enough to cover salaries etc.


Why the mudslinging between Sani and ElRufai?

in the end there will always be fight between predecessor and successor
el rufai probbaly has his own contractors or consultants on the govt payroll, and under the current circumstances, this may no longer be sustainable

maybe that is why el rufais useless son who appears to have no job outside of twitter troll is wailing more than the bereaved

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by monerozi5590: 4:59am On Apr 01
GloriousGbola:



https://dailytrust.com/why-kaduna-cant-pay-salaries-gov-sani/





Just headline sir. If you read it in details you will get the point sir.

Like saying only FAAC can't pay salary but there's IGR to cover for that. He can also borrow to do other things aside salaries if change no remain.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 5:01am On Apr 01
Ibime:


Maybe he is creating space to chop for future.

That said, El-Rufai excuse of borrowing for the Kaduna economy to spend its way out of COVID is lame. Stimulating consumption through Keynesian initiatives is not really in the hands of State Governors, and is more of a National initiative. A state can't really spend its way out of a morose National situation.

So he has responded ? I'm yet to see his response , please share link
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by monerozi5590: 5:04am On Apr 01
BlueRayDick:


Nobody arguing what Uba Sani said cos it's out in the open. Below is what he said



What Theflint1 and other people like myself are concerned about is what the governor didn't say. He didn't talk about the IGR. Yes we undertand there's exchnage fluctuatuons which is affecting the amount they are using to service the debt from FAAC allocation.

But what happened to the IGR generated locally ? Like the IGR they generate in real time at the current value of the naira ? He kept mum about that but boldly telling who cares to listen that anytime soon salary might stop for civil servants .

The fact that u got March salary as a civil servant does not mean u will get April's. The way the governor came out to announce this unprovoked shows there's shege ahead. Except he just feels like spreading panic to u guys sha


He talked about FAAC alone for reasons best known to him but IGR is there to cover for any fall.

Kaduna State cannot owe salaries. Is not just possible at all.

If you read everything, he said despite this challenges, look at what I have done and about to do bla bla bla. Where en get money to do all those things?
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Ibime(m): 5:04am On Apr 01
BlueRayDick:


This is the million dollar question.

Fight seems to be between Sani and Rufais son.

Rufai confirmed all the numbers Sani put forward before he left, so there is no argument about what he left.

He has restricted Sani to follow his precommitments and service his loans. There is enough for that, but not enough for Sani to drive his own agenda without harming salaries and pensions. Sani wants his own projects to chop from I guess

Anyone interested about KD commitments and debt to revenue ratios can download their report. Kaduna does not run secretive Government

https://finance.kdsg.gov.ng/kaduna-state-debt-sustainability-analysis-dsa-and-debt-management-strategydms-report-november-2023/

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Ibime(m): 5:09am On Apr 01
BlueRayDick:


So he has responded ? I'm yet to see his response , please share link

El-Rufai stated the debt he was leaving in his final speech and gave watery excuse of needing to spend his way out of COVID economic slump, which isn't so much his prerogative as that of FG

https://punchng.com/my-successor-inherits-n80bn-577m-debt-el-rufai/

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by monerozi5590: 5:14am On Apr 01
Ibime:


You are right. Kaduna IGR is about N80bln per year, more than enough to cover salaries etc.


Why the mudslinging between Sani and ElRufai?

I really don't know but I am guessing it has something to do with the ministerial slot or something.

I didn't even know they are having problems not until yesterday when one of his sons blasted Uba Sani. Bashir El Rufai is very stubborn sha. En no d hear word. Bello is wiser, calculated and calm
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 5:18am On Apr 01
monerozi5590:



He talked about FAAC alone for reasons best known to him but IGR is there to cover for any fall.

Kaduna State cannot owe salaries. Is not just possible at all.

If you read everything, he said despite this challenges, look at what I have done and about to do bla bla bla. Where en get money to do all those things?

If that's the case , why didn't El-Rufai's son just state it in his response to Uba Sani that his father has already increased the state's IGR and that's what the governor should be grateful for instead of whining about FAAC allocation not being enough to sort salaries ?

I thought that boy claim to be educated . Why does he choose the path of insult when there's actually fact on ground to counter the governor's claims ?

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by afrodoc2: 5:23am On Apr 01
BlueRayDick:


U are missing his point. He's not claiming IGR dried up; instead he's asking what happened that Uba Sani suddenly cannot pay salaries with increased FAAC allocation and the same level of IGR El-Rufai left behind 9-10 months ago?

Yes El-Rufai was also servicing debt and all; but how come Uba Sani is saying Debt servicing alone has swallowed all the state's potential income? What was El-Rufai doing?

This might be what happens when most of the debt is in dollars and most of the IGR is in naira. Exhange rate will suck it dry.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by monerozi5590: 5:23am On Apr 01
BlueRayDick:


If that's the case , why didn't El-Rufai's son just state it in his response to Uba Sani that his father has already increased the state's IGR and that's what the governor should be grateful for instead of whining about FAAC allocation not being enough to sort salaries ?

I thought thought that boy claim to be educated . Why does he choose the path of insult when there's actually fact on ground to counter the governor's claims ?


Bashir El Rufai likes fight. He likes fighting his father's enemies. En d buy en father fight.

Person wei en and Shehu Sani don insults themselves.

Na Bello, the one wei d House of Representatives na d calm.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 5:24am On Apr 01
Ibime:


Fight seems to be between Sani and Rufais son.

Rufai confirmed all the numbers Sani put forward before he left, so there is no argument about what he left.

He has restricted Sani to follow his precommitments and service his loans. There is enough for that, but not enough for Sani to drive his own agenda without harming salaries and pensions. Sani wants his own projects to chop from I guess

Anyone interested about KD commitments and debt to revenue ratios can download their report. Kaduna does not run secretive Government

https://finance.kdsg.gov.ng/kaduna-state-debt-sustainability-analysis-dsa-and-debt-management-strategydms-report-november-2023/

I guess this is the major issue . Everybody want to run their own show , most people who become governor in Nigeria always do this.

They want to bring in their own contractors , want to grease the palms of their allies and want to make as much illegal kickbacks from contracts for their pension all from the state's treasury .

It's not like El-Rufai didn't do the same cos if we go by the yeye COVID-19 story he sold for those loans, we all know he also helped himself from the state purse

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 5:27am On Apr 01
afrodoc2:


This might be what happens when most of the debt is in dollars and most of the IGR is in naira. Exhange rate will suck it dry.

Yeah I get, but going by what the governor read out on Saturday he's saying they have deducted the loan repayment from the FAAC allocation from source . Which should mean whatever remains from the FAAC allocation and the IGR should be able to cater for the state's need in naira if indeed the increased IGR being peddled by El-Rufai's administration is real.

Somehow it feels one of the two parties is giving half information for political reasons best know to them
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 5:29am On Apr 01
monerozi5590:



Bashir El Rufai likes fight. He likes fighting his father's enemies. En d buy en father fight.

Person wei en and Shehu Sani don insults themselves.

Na Bello, the one wei d House of Representatives na d calm.

He obviously picked after his father sha
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by afrodoc2: 5:38am On Apr 01
BlueRayDick:


Yeah I get, but going by what the governor read out on Saturday he's saying they have deducted the loan repayment from the FAAC allocation from source . Which should mean whatever remains from the FAAC allocation and the IGR should be able to cater for the state's need in naira if indeed the increased IGR being peddled by El-Rufai's administration is real.

Somehow it feels one of the two parties is giving half information for political reasons best know to them

Oh ok. It is either he is trying to tarnish El Rufai's image for some ulterior political motive OR he is unhappy with the reduction in his disposable income grin i.e after paying salaries with the IGR and rest of the FAAC allocation he might not have enough for his own lambastic projects.

All these people deserve to be locked up. Each side just gives us different shades of lies.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Spy360(m): 5:41am On Apr 01
raumdeuter:


Moslem fasting will end in a few days. How do you wish Moslems for the celebration that follows?
I'll use a language they will understand. For example I cannot say Unu Islam happy oriri. Because it will not make sense to those it is directed to. Id rather say Special Greetings to my Muslim friends on your holidays. They won't have to spend a brain cell deciding the message.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 5:44am On Apr 01
afrodoc2:


Oh ok. It is either he is trying to tarnish El Rufai's image for some ulterior political motive OR he is unhappy with the reduction in his disposable income grin i.e after paying salaries with the IGR and rest of the FAAC allocation he might not have enough for his own lambastic projects.

All these people deserve to be locked up. Each side just gives us different shades of lies.

This is what it is looking like at this point until further evidences surfaces because if he collect handover note on May 29; he saw those debt figures and didn't complain one can ask why is he now organizing town hall meeting to announce same thing at this point in time ?

And that Elrufai's scallywag son wey supposed just respond with fact dey talk about sleeping in Abuja hotels and the governor appointing gazillion aides as if his own father was a saint in that regard .
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Eunoiaa(f): 6:41am On Apr 01
A40:
Lol but with all the girl power talk it's just surprising that Nigeria female musicians have a very very poor collaboration record.

Even Niniola and Teni wey be sisters no dey do collabo. I never see that kin thing before.

This una Feminist beef with Odumodu very funny because in real life wetin I dey see dey very different. I go to one or two grooves and see girls shouting his infamous lyrics.

Matter of fact didn't one of the feminazi leaders get casted (pun intended) dancing and chanting his lyrics at a friend's wedding

Lol.

Your two points can easily be explained with a single answer: feminists in Nigeria are in the minute of minorities in Nigeria. Even when you see some women-tailored programs and schemes, they are hardly phrased as a feminist action. Nigeria is not a woke society; patriarchal cultures and beliefs still reign supreme. Twice today (more like yesterday when i was writing this) has my fam made a reference to how I'll behave in an husband's house and I need to bla bla bla.

Yes, there are online discourses. And there is real life. I agree. So don't think conversations that happen online sometimes translate into real life. But don't take that as a evidence of feminist hypocrisy but rather as a function of number and institutionalisation. About five or so years ago, Alakija, one the richest women in the country was talking about how she still washes her husband's briefs. Whether it's true or not, doesn't matter, but she did it for the optics and to still show that she's not the stereotypical rich wife. We saw what happened to Mummy Zee too. Nigerian women are killing it entrepreneurship-wise, but that's not because of no feminist illumination. It's simply necessitated by the economy of the country.

So they are not getting into business to be "girl bosses", which was an American-centric and -popularized phrase. Even the #MeToo era was barely replicated here. American feminist trends do not drive the feminist consciousness in different cultures.

So as I was saying, even when you see Nigerian babes that are workaholics and business heavyweights and whatnot, socially, they still present themselves as traditional. They still try to emphasise the quality of their wife material and homeliness. It's the society they find themselves in. We have seen women wearing wedding gowns to churches in faith. We saw some singing "carry me dey go my husband house." Interestingly, when feminists criticise these acts, people come for them and call them all sorts of name. But then they'll want to turn around again to use those acts as a dunk on feminism? Like which one? You (not you personally) cannot say feminists aren't doing shit in Nigeria when you'll still be the same one to hound them for making everything a feminist issue.

Teni is also 'one of the boys' coded. So why Nigerian female artists don't feature each other might be a discussion on it own with different possible reasons, it's no fault of feminism.

In the words of someone whose name I cannot remember, "feminists are few in Nigeria; feminists who stands on business are fewer." Again hypocrisy is not exclusively a feminist issue, but a human one. Yeah, I know that being a feminist should inform a person in being less prone to such type of behavior. Yes, some things are utterly indefensible and I saw feminists call Kiki Mordi out. I did not see ONE feminist defend that. She has such big a platform and voice to be caught endorsing Odumodu's lyrics. She's not a private figure that can get away with any kind of acts anymore.

Even outside of feminism, there are some songs I will not be caught dead singing. I don't fw Odumodu is I don't fw Odumodu. Even one Zulezoo song, I think, ever since I discovered it's about rape, I've stopped listening to it.

Saying online talks doesn't translate to real life is just like me saying a lot of people in Nigeria still practice Christianity/Islam as a way to own atheism. Of course, the Nigerian society isn't atheistic. Or me saying that because I've never seen any Chemistry textbook written in Yoruba, then that means all your effort at doing that doesn't translate into real life?
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Amigoss: 7:33am On Apr 01
monerozi5590:



Bashir El Rufai likes fight. He likes fighting his father's enemies. En d buy en father fight.

Person wei en and Shehu Sani don insults themselves.

Na Bello, the one wei d House of Representatives na d calm.

Bello no calm anything,person wey dey reply trolls and critics with harsh words despite now being a politician,he was the same person who said he will rape somebody's mum....He seem to be understably neutral in this(uba vs his father) because he was mentored,appointed as an aide when uba was a senator..
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by larride(m): 7:55am On Apr 01
Happy new month fellas.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by larride(m): 7:57am On Apr 01
BlueRayDick:


U are missing his point. He's not claiming IGR dried up; instead he's asking what happened that Uba Sani suddenly cannot pay salaries with increased FAAC allocation and the same level of IGR El-Rufai left behind 9-10 months ago?

Yes El-Rufai was also servicing debt and all; but how come Uba Sani is saying Debt servicing alone has swallowed all the state's potential income? What was El-Rufai doing?

Uba Sani dey craze ni.

He said after removing debt obligation from the FAAC shared, the rest is not enough to pay salary.

You are left to wonder where the IGR of the state is.

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