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Re: $2.3bn Siemens Power Project Transformers, Substations Arrive Nigeria by ebufa: 11:29pm On Apr 08
FreeStuffsNG:
God bless the family of the late Chief of Staff to the President, Malam Abba Kyari, the foremost champion of the project.
God bless President Muhammadu Buhari for personally leading the project at the highest offices of both nations.

God bless President Bola Ahmed Tinubu for continuing with this great legacy of President Buhari.

Thank you German Chancellor Angela Merkel for making this partnership a reality during your tenure.

May God bless Nigeria for ever! Check my signature for free stuffs!



The whole design of the power transmission system is too top heavy, it is as unwieldy as Nigeria's unitary federal system.....how can you generate power in egbin in Lagos and then spend humongous amounts of cable to transmit it to Maiduguri......makes no sense at all!
They should design a transmission system made up of sub systems analogous to our 6 regions! With serious redundancies built in the system....so that all the sub regional systems can buy and sell from each other! what we have now is a domino effect transmission system that pulls itself down once a failure occurs along the system
Re: $2.3bn Siemens Power Project Transformers, Substations Arrive Nigeria by FreeStuffsNG: 12:43am On Apr 09
ebufa:




The whole design of the power transmission system is too top heavy, it is as unwieldy as Nigeria's unitary federal system.....how can you generate power in egbin in Lagos and then spend humongous amounts of cable to transmit it to Maiduguri......makes no sense at all!
They should design a transmission system made up of sub systems analogous to our 6 regions! With serious redundancies built in the system....so that all the sub regional systems can buy and sell from each other! what we have now is a domino effect transmission system that pulls itself down once a failure occurs along the system
This concern has been addressed significantly in the Electricity Act 2023 and electricity is no longer in the exclusive list in our constitution so your concerns are no longer real problems per se.

The remaining knot is pricing and recovery of funds invested so that the sector can attract fresh investments and funds. What we have now is running on subsidies which crowds out private sector investment. If the subsidy had not been taken away from Band A users, subsidy on electricity this year would have been around a whopping N3.3 Trillion! It's not sustainable at all.

By the time the pricing is sorted, private sector investments will flow in and electricity companies will now be able to sell electricity at cost reflective tariffs.

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Re: $2.3bn Siemens Power Project Transformers, Substations Arrive Nigeria by LordAdam16: 1:00am On Apr 09
jedisco:
Nobody is talking about 'German' loan trap now like they would if it was China. Is this not a direct copy of what the Chinese are doing in Africa? - Something western nations including Germany have criticised them for.
$2.3 loan from Germany to be given to a German company. This is over half of all we've borrowed from China since 2007 bring taken out at once


In addition, what are the nitty-gritties of this loan
What's the loan interest rate and how competitive is it?
How much would a similar project have have cost if the bidding process was open?
What are the restrictive covenants in place e.g if Nigeria can't pay back.

You make valid points.
But there are reasons to treat this differently.

First off, Germany's reputation in the sector is unmatched.
We've not revamped our transmission infrastructure since they were installed in the nation's infancy.
This is not a project where you'll generally want to go cheap.
You want the most efficient player to come in and deliver a quality job that'd last the next 30, 50 years with firm guarantees.
The Germans check that box. The only other folks I'll call for this are the Americans, Japanese, or South Koreans.

We actually approached the Germans because Siemens did a remarkable job in Egypt.
https://www.siemens.com/eg/en/company/topic-areas/egypt-megaproject.html
Yes, that same Egypt that has the same running concerns from corruption to debt burden.

As to the details of the loan.
The loan is provided by the world's largest national developmental bank.
Rates are typically single-digit. The EU has some of the lowest rates on the planet.
As regards a default, the Europeans have a long history of being open to debt reconstruction and relief.

Will we have gotten a better deal from China. Absolutely.
That does not make this a bad deal.
Some could argue diversifying our loan base is the smart thing to do.
Plus, we're using it for viable infrastructure instead of pointless intra-city monorails.

Many watchers have correctly lampooned the West for not doing enough to match China's infrastructure drive in Africa.
This is a welcome attempt to fix that and should be encouraged.
In 2022, Siemens signed a new deal worth $8.7B in Egypt, which I expect to be north of $10B due to predictable cost overruns, for a nationwide high speed rail system.

If we were a serious country, the EU, Japan, South Korea, and China would industrialize this country many times over and we would barely have to lift a finger. Norway, Qatar, UAE, and the multinational developmental funds will serve as cosigners.
There are trillions in funds looking for a home.

-Lord

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Re: $2.3bn Siemens Power Project Transformers, Substations Arrive Nigeria by MrBONE2(m): 5:02am On Apr 09
Ejiakusmith:
I just lose seven thousand naira now on a virtual bet .... Money I just withdraw for food stuffs purposes.......... Feeling like going to comma now 😭😭😭😭😭

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Re: $2.3bn Siemens Power Project Transformers, Substations Arrive Nigeria by garfield1: 5:17am On Apr 09
Bonaventura:
We've been hearing of this Siemens project for years now. This is one of the redherring to distract us from the fact that Tinubu and his ministers have been failures.

Best hands in the mud.

Their reactionary approach to development wants to make one cry.

By the time the foreign reserve is completely depleted because they are pretending to be defending the naira we'll know what else they'd say.

Adelabu is one of the worst performing minister out of the bunch of mediocre ministers of Tinubu. He's the worst of the worst.

He increased electricity tariffs in the dead of the night just like his mandate thief principal was illegitimately announced in the dead of the night and now he wants to distract us with Siemens behemoth project.

Ọkụ gbakwaa all of them.

Ndị ara!

Why are you guys from the se so hateful

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Re: $2.3bn Siemens Power Project Transformers, Substations Arrive Nigeria by Johnjustice: 5:50am On Apr 09
Pascal9:
nobody subsidies anything, it breeds curruption work hard and pay your bills.
Go sleep, not talking about me or you, the poor are supported in every society via one form of subsidy/welfare or the other...if government doesn't support the citizens, so what is government there for?

Is the revenue of a nation for politicians alone?

Unless you are a greedy politician or political sycophant or jobber, then I must say you are really naive and ignorant.
Re: $2.3bn Siemens Power Project Transformers, Substations Arrive Nigeria by Bonaventura(m): 7:50am On Apr 09
garfield1:


Why are you guys from the se so hateful

So you're very okay with the governance situation in your area? The light, food, and security?
Re: $2.3bn Siemens Power Project Transformers, Substations Arrive Nigeria by commoditiesnig: 7:52am On Apr 09
Good news

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Re: $2.3bn Siemens Power Project Transformers, Substations Arrive Nigeria by AskNgige2: 8:56am On Apr 09
dNortherner:
Let's have hope at least for once in our lives pal, we might get there. I no blame you tho'
y

My bro, u can never trust APC again..

I so much trusted Buhari when he 1st came in..
Re: $2.3bn Siemens Power Project Transformers, Substations Arrive Nigeria by Coolgent(m): 10:23am On Apr 09
Paid advert!
Re: $2.3bn Siemens Power Project Transformers, Substations Arrive Nigeria by Jeezuzpick(m): 10:57am On Apr 09
Paraman:
They will also work on the transmission line and install thousands of transformers.

Thousands?

On the transmission level or distribution level?

Both levels need beefing up.
Re: $2.3bn Siemens Power Project Transformers, Substations Arrive Nigeria by Pascal9: 1:07pm On Apr 09
Johnjustice:

Go sleep, not talking about me or you, the poor are supported in every society via one form of subsidy/welfare or the other...if government doesn't support the citizens, so what is government there for?

Is the revenue of a nation for politicians alone?

Unless you are a greedy politician or political sycophant or jobber, then I must say you are really naive and ignorant.
we are not rich as a country for such freebies, in a jungle society like Nigeria, any hardworking citizen is capable of sustainable existence, onless you are incapable of using your brain to plan your life, i repeat no subsidy, a citizen who knows that he can sustain a family of three but went and born 10 children, or a man that knows that he can maintain 1 wife but went and marry 2 to 4 wife and born 1 village should not look subsidy cause he is the creator of his condition, let me tell , when all this freebies are gone a saner society will emerge from nigeria and everybody will be ok.
Re: $2.3bn Siemens Power Project Transformers, Substations Arrive Nigeria by AcrylicProperty(f): 9:13pm On Apr 09
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Re: $2.3bn Siemens Power Project Transformers, Substations Arrive Nigeria by jedisco(m): 11:27am On Apr 10
LordAdam16:


You make valid points.
But there are reasons to treat this differently.

.....
The Germans check that box. The only other folks I'll call for this are the Americans, Japanese, or South Koreans.

....
As to the details of the loan.
The loan is provided by the world's largest national developmental bank.
Rates are typically single-digit. The EU has some of the lowest rates on the planet.
As regards a default, the Europeans have a long history of being open to debt reconstruction and relief.

Will we have gotten a better deal from China. Absolutely.
That does not make this a bad deal.
Some could argue diversifying our loan base is the smart thing to do.


I see your point many are valid. We should be able to scrutinise this deal in same way Germany has been advising us to scrutinise our loans from china. Afterall, this is over 50% in obe tranche

Few things I'd note are:

1. Stable electricity generation and distribution is no longer the exclusive preserve of a few nations. It's the norm out there. We could leverage the widely held knowledge by a lot ofvnations to build our capacity.

2. Secondly, its one thing to have a technology and another to want to truly help others with it. Britain was a forerunner in rail technology and has very well interconnected cities. Aside tracks built during the colonial era which were for the main purpose of transporting cheap raw materials to the coast for export to UK, how has Britain been of help in boosting rail infrastructure in former colonies?

3. Before we start singing the praise of the Europeans, lets get concrete details of the loan first. We know the Chinese loans were given at circa 3% and have been responsible for most of our federal infrastructure spend over the last decade. No need to hurry.We have over 400 years of interaction with the Europeans. Lets get facts first.

4. With all the excess money flushing around, asides a very few examples, I'm yet to see a concrete example of a nation developing another. We live in an increasingly capitalist society. Everyone is concerned about milking human and capital resources of another for cheap. We need to approach world powers knowing there's little benevolence out there.

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Re: $2.3bn Siemens Power Project Transformers, Substations Arrive Nigeria by Laird(m): 9:03pm On Apr 11
LordAdam16:


You make valid points.
But there are reasons to treat this differently.

First off, Germany's reputation in the sector is unmatched.
We've not revamped our transmission infrastructure since they were installed in the nation's infancy.
This is not a project where you'll generally want to go cheap.
You want the most efficient player to come in and deliver a quality job that'd last the next 30, 50 years with firm guarantees.
The Germans check that box. The only other folks I'll call for this are the Americans, Japanese, or South Koreans.

We actually approached the Germans because Siemens did a remarkable job in Egypt.
https://www.siemens.com/eg/en/company/topic-areas/egypt-megaproject.html
Yes, that same Egypt that has the same running concerns from corruption to debt burden.

As to the details of the loan.
The loan is provided by the world's largest national developmental bank.
Rates are typically single-digit. The EU has some of the lowest rates on the planet.
As regards a default, the Europeans have a long history of being open to debt reconstruction and relief.

Will we have gotten a better deal from China. Absolutely.
That does not make this a bad deal.
Some could argue diversifying our loan base is the smart thing to do.
Plus, we're using it for viable infrastructure instead of pointless intra-city monorails.

Many watchers have correctly lampooned the West for not doing enough to match China's infrastructure drive in Africa.
This is a welcome attempt to fix that and should be encouraged.
In 2022, Siemens signed a new deal worth $8.7B in Egypt, which I expect to be north of $10B due to predictable cost overruns, for a nationwide high speed rail system.

If we were a serious country, the EU, Japan, South Korea, and China would industrialize this country many times over and we would barely have to lift a finger. Norway, Qatar, UAE, and the multinational developmental funds will serve as cosigners.
There are trillions in funds looking for a home.

-Lord


I just had to comment. Very brilliant analysis

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