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AbuTwins:
You didn't even mention the councils of nicea and Constantinople? What about Athanasius and Arius?

What about the creed of Nicaea? The Constantinopolitan creed and others?

The gathering where Jesus was fixed to be equal with the father and later holy spirit was joined in!

Tell us the historicity in full as you can't do without the above named!

Search more!

Do you want to hear about what men did or what God did?

Didn't you read where I said Roman Catholicism corrupted Christianity but God salvaged it through some special messengers?

Do you want God or religion?

advocatejare:
Who gave them the order to burn what Muhammad supposedly received?

Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam gave them the order!

Will you shut up if I give you the proof?

AbuTwins:
Where did I say anything was fabricated?

The "Baal is Allah" lies your were spreading the pics have you apologised that you lied against Allah and Islam?

Even the link posted by your brother contains the lies!

A congregation of Christian liars on nairaland!

Please dispute the screenshots I attached. Are the screenshots also lies?

AbuTwins:
Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam gave them the order!

Will you shut up if I give you the proof?

I will shut up if you show me where Muhammad said (from the Quran or authentic Hadith) that they can burn the Quran he received from Jibreel after he dies!

FxMasterz:
Do you want to hear about what men did or what God did?

Didn't you read where I said Roman Catholicism corrupted Christianity but God salvaged it through some special messengers?

Do you want God or religion?

Nothing was salvaged bro!

From historicity wherein the church father adopted trinity, the books of the Bibles,etc. No holy spirit was involved.

Even till the 14th century when Martin Luther started the protestant revolution....

The history is a mess if I open it.

AbuTwins:
Nothing was salvaged bro!

From historicity wherein the church father adopted trinity, the books of the Bibles,etc. No holy spirit was involved.

Even till the 14th century when Martin Luther started the protestant revolution....

The history is a mess if I open it.

Trinity is absolutely biblical. If men lost sound doctrines, God can guide them to find it again in His Words. Christianity is an individual thing. A personal walk with God.

Yes, Martin Luther started the protestant revolution. That doesn't mean that there were no true Christians in the world even in his time.

Would you now talk about Abraham and the ka'aba?

AbuTwins:
There are too many holes in his post!
Make una all feel high for some time.

I never get your time!

You may wish to tell us what the holes are: dont you think so?

FxMasterz:
Please dispute the screenshots I attached. Are the screenshots also lies?

I gave you Qur'an verses and you're asking for screenshots?

Give me the verses that approves the screenshots?

Please I beg you kindly elevate your IQ.

How can any sane mind compare the Qur'an verses that differentiate Allah and Ba'al to screenshots not founded in the Qur'an and authentic Sunnah of Islam?

FxMasterz:
Trinity is absolutely biblical. If men lost sound doctrines, God can guide them to find it again in His Words. Christianity is an individual thing. A personal walk with God.

Yes, Martin Luther started the protestant revolution. That doesn't mean that there were no true Christians in the world even in his time.

Would you now talk about Abraham and the ka'aba?

Okay, we'll start a thread on trinity! How biblical is it!
And another on the historicity of the Bible old testament and then new testament!

What about Abraham and the Kaaba?

advocatejare:
I will shut up if you show me where Muhammad said (from the Quran or authentic Hadith) that they can burn the Quran he received from Jibreel after he dies!

Of course he won't say it like that just as the Jesus you called God didn't ever call himself God anywhere in the Bible! Nor was trinity ever mentioned in any authentic biblical verses!

If you're ready tell me!

Rashduct4luv:
How did you determine the first and second times from the Hadiths?

Easy!

1. Is it true that Zaid Ibn Thabith was commissioned to compile the Quran TWICE: First by Abubakr and Secondly by Uthman?
2. Is it true that the last verse that Zaid found when he was compiling the Quran for Abubakar was in Surat at-Tauba (Repentance) and with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari

Sahih al-Bukhari 4986
Narrated Zaid bin Thabit:
Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musailima). (I went to him) and found `Umar bin Al- Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "`Umar has come to me and said: "Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'an (i.e. those who knew the Qur'an by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yamama, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur'an be collected." I said to `Umar, "How can you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" `Umar said, "By Allah, that is a good project." `Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which `Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur'an and collect it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to shift one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an. Then I said to Abu Bakr, "How will you do something which Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allah, it is a good project." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allah opened my chest for what He had opened the chests of Abu Bakr and `Umar. So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palme stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat at-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The Verse is: 'Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty..(till the end of Surat-Baraa' (at-Tauba) (9.128-129). Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with `Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of `Umar.

3. Is it true that Zaid reported that he missed out a verse while compiling the Quran and he had to look for it and found it with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari.?

Sahih al-Bukhari 4988
Zaid bin Thabit added, "A verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was):
'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)


4. Is the finding od the lost verse in Surat Ahzab during the time of Abubakar or the time of Uthman?

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3104
Narrated Az-Zuhri:
from Anas who said: "Hudhaifah bin Al-Yaman came to 'Uthman, at the time when the people of Ash-Sham and the people of Al-'Iraq were waging war to conquer Arminiyah and Adharbijan. Hudhaifah saw their (the people of Ash-Sham and Al-'Iraq) different forms of recitation of the Qur'an. So he said to 'Uthman: 'O Commander of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book as the Jews and the Christians did before them.' So he ('Uthman) sent a message to Hafsah (saying): 'Send us the manuscripts so that we may copy them in the Musahif (plural of Mushaf: a written copy of the Qur'an) then we shall return it to you.' So Hafsah sent the manuscripts to 'Uthman bin 'Affan. 'Uthman then sent order for Zaid bin Thabit, Sa'eed bin Al-'As, 'Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Harith bin Hisham, and 'Abdullah bin Az-Zubair to copy the manuscripts in the Musahif. 'Uthman said to the three Quraish men: 'In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the (recitation dialect of the) Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish for it was in their tongue.' So when they had copied the manuscripts, 'Uthman sent one Mushaf from those Musahif that they had copied to every province." Az-Zuhri said: "Kharijah bin Zaid [bin Thabit] narrated to me that Zaid bin Thabit said: 'I missed an Ayah of Surat Al-Ahzab that I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) reciting: Among the believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah, of them some have fulfilled their obligations, and some of them are still waiting (33:23) - so I searched for it and found it with Khuzaimah bin Thabit, or Abu Khuzaimah, so I put it in its Surah.'" Az-Zuhri said: "They differed then with At-Tabut and At-Tabuh. The Quraish said: At-Tabut while Zaid said: At-Tabuh. Their disagreement was brought to 'Uthman, so he said: 'Write it as At-Tabut, for it was revealed in the tongue of the Quraish.'" Az-Zuhri said: "'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah bin 'Utbah informed me that 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud disliked Zaid bin Thabit copying the Musahif, and he said: 'O you Muslim people! I am removed from recording the transcription of the Mushaf and it is overseen by a man, by Allah, when I accepted Islam he was but in the loins of a disbelieving man' - meaning Zaid bin Thabit - and it was regarding this that 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud said: 'O people of Al-'Iraq! Keep the Musahif that are with you, and conceal them. For indeed Allah said: And whoever conceals something, he shall come with what he concealed on the Day of Judgement (3:161). So meet Allah with the Musahif.'" Az-Zuhri said: "It was conveyed to me that some men amongst the most virtuous of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) disliked that view of Ibn Mas'ud."



Are you now convinced that Zaid reported two different episodes of missen verses
1. One with Abubakar Quran 9:128-129
2. One with Uthman Quran 33:23

Rashduct4luv:
From my post here in 2019 https://www.nairaland.com/5569177/wrote-quraan-how-it-put

Question
Who wrote the Qur’aan and how was it put together?

Answer
Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:
Allaah has guaranteed to preserve this Qur’aan Himself. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”
[al-Hijr 15:9]

Ibn Jareer al-Tabari said in his Tafseer, 14/8:
Allaah is saying, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (Reminder), i.e. the Qur’aan, and We will guard the Qur’aan against anything false being added to it that is not part of it, or anything that is part of it being taken away, whether that has to do with rulings, hudood punishments or matters having to do with inheritance.

Al-Sa’di said in his Tafseer (p. 696):
It is We Who have sent down the Qur’aan in which there is mention of all issues and clear evidence, and in which We remind those who want to be reminded.

“and surely, We will guard it” means, when it is being revealed and after it has been revealed. When it is revealed, We protect it from the tampering of every accursed devil, and after it has been revealed Allaah instilled it in the heart of His Messenger. Allaah protected the words from being changed and from anything being added or taken away, or from its meanings being distorted. So no one can attempt to distort its meanings but Allaah will guide someone to explain the truth of the Qur’aan. This is one of the greatest signs of Allaah and His blessing to His believing slaves. Another aspect of this protection is that Allaah protects the people of the Qur’aan against their enemies, and no enemy can overpower them and eliminate them.

The Qur’aan was revealed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in stages over a period of twenty-three years. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (it is) a Qur’aan which We have divided (into parts), in order that you might recite it to men at intervals. And We have revealed it by stages”
[al-Isra’ 17:106]

Al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
This means, We have revealed this Qur’aan in stages, to differentiate between guidance and misguidance, between truth and falsehood.

“in order that you might recite it to men at intervals” means, slowly, so that they may ponder and think about its meanings, and understand the different branches of knowledge contained therein.

“And We have revealed it by stages” means, gradually, over a period of twenty-three years.
Tafseer al-Sa’di, p. 760.

Secondly:
Literacy was not widespread among the Arabs. Allaah described them in such terms when He said (interpretation of the meaning):

“He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger (Muhammad) from among themselves”
[al-Jumu’ah 63:2]

They used to memorize the Qur’aan by heart, and a few of them used to write down some verses or soorahs on animal skins, thin white stones and the like.

Thirdly:
At first the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade the writing of anything other than the Qur’aan, and he forbade them to write down his words for a while, so that the Sahaabah would focus on memorizing the Qur’aan and writing it down, and so that the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would not be confused with the words of Allaah, and so the Qur’aan was protected from anything being added or taken away.

Fourthly:
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) appointed a group of his companions who were trustworthy and knowledgeable to write down the revelation. They are known in their biographies as those who wrote down the Revelation, such as the four Caliphs, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas, Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan, Zayd ibn Thaabit and others – may Allaah be pleased with them all.

Fifthly:
The Qur’aan was revealed in seven dialects as was narrated in the saheeh hadeeth of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). This was narrated by al-Bukhaari (2287) and Muslim (818); these were the dialects of the Arabs which were known for their eloquence.

Sixthly:
The Qur’aan continued to be preserved in the hearts of the Sahaabah who had memorized it, and on the skins and other materials until the time of the caliph Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him). During the Riddah wars many of the Sahaabah who had memorized the Qur’aan were killed, and Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) was afraid that the Qur’aan would be lost. So he consulted the senior Sahaabah about compiling the Qur’aan in a single book so that it would remain preserved and would not be lost. He entrusted this mission to the chief of memorizers Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him). Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4986) that Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:

Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq sent for me when the people of al-Yamaamah had been killed [i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against the false prophet Musaylimah]. (I went to him) and found ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), “ ‘Umar has come to me and said: ‘Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'aan (i.e. those who knew the Qur’aan by heart) on the day of the battle of al-Yamaamah, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur’aan may be lost. Therefore I suggest that you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur’aan be collected.” I said to 'Umar, "How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?" 'Umar said, "By Allah, this is something good." 'Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allaah opened my heart to it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). “You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). So search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur’aan and compile it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to move one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to compile the Qur’aan. Then I said (to Abu Bakr), "How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allaah, it is a good thing." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allaah opened my heart to that to which He had opened the hearts of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. So I started looking for the Qur’aan and collecting it from (what it was written on) palm stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, until I found the last Verse of Soorat al-Tawbah with Abu Khuzaymah al-Ansaari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The verse is (interpretation of the meaning):

"Verily, there has come unto you a Messenger (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty...” [al-Tawbah 9:128] until the end of Soorat Baraa’ah (i.e., al-Tawbah).

Then the complete manuscript (copy) of the Qur’aan remained with Abu Bakr until he died, then with 'Umar until the end of his life, and then with Hafsah, the daughter of 'Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him).

The Sahaabi Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) knew the Qur’aan by heart but he was methodical in his confirmation; he would not agree to write down any verse until two of the Sahaabah testified that they had heard it from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

This Mus-haf (written copy of the Qur’aan) remained in the hands of the caliphs until the time of the Rightly-Guided Caliph ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan (may Allaah be pleased with him). The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) had dispersed to different lands, and they used to recite the Qur’aan according to what they had heard of the seven recitations from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and each of their students used to recite according to what he had heard from his shaykh. If a student heard someone reciting in a manner different from what he knew, he would denounce him and accuse him of making a mistake, and this went on until the Sahaabah feared that there would be fitnah (trouble) between the Taabi’een and successive generations. So they thought that they should unite the people in following one recitation, which was in the dialect of Quraysh in which the Qur’aan had first been revealed, so as to dispel any disputes and resolve the matter. ‘Uthmaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) was consulted, and he agreed with this opinion.

Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4988) from Anas ibn Maalik that Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan came to ‘Uthmaan at the time when the people of Shaam (Syria) and the people of Iraq were waging war to conquer Armenia and Azerbaijan. Hudhayfah was alarmed by their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur’aan, so he said to 'Uthmaan, "O Ameer al-Mu’mineen! Save this nation before they dispute about the Book (Qur’aan) as the Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthmaan sent a message to Hafsah saying, "Send us the manuscript of the Qur’aan so that we may make copies of the Mus-haf and we will return the manuscript to you."

Hafsah sent it to 'Uthmaan. Then 'Uthmaan ordered Zayd ibn Thaabit, 'Abdullah ibn al-Zubayr, Sa’eed ibn al-‘Aas and ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Haarith ibn Hishaam to copy out the manuscripts. 'Uthmaan said to the three men who were from Quraysh (the tribe of which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was a member), “In case you disagree with Zayd ibn Thaabit on any point in the Qur’aan, then write it in the dialect of Quraysh, for the Qur’aan was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthmaan returned the original manuscripts to Hafsah.

'Uthmaan sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'aanic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.

Ibn Shihaab said: Khaarijah ibn Zayd ibn Thaabit told me that he heard Zayd ibn Thaabit say: “When we made copies of the Mus-haf I missed a verse of al-Ahzaab that I used to hear the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recite. So we searched for it and we found it with Khuzaymah ibn Thaabit al-Ansaari. (The verse was) ‘Among the believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allaah’ [al-Ahzaab 33:23 – interpretation of the meaning]. So we put it in its place in its soorah in the Mus-haf.”

Thus an end was put to dispute and the Muslims were united. The Qur’aan has remained and will remain narrated from generation to generation and preserved in men's hearts until the Day of Resurrection. This is how Allaah has preserved His Book, in confirmation of the verse in which He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”
[al-Hijr 15:9]

And Allaah knows best.

I am sure you very well know that I did NOT ask you for the History of the Revelation or the Compillation of the Quran. I asked you only three Questions and you addressed NONE of it
Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?

2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?

3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?

AbuTwins:
Rashduct4luv don plug the holes above!

Let's wait for the rantings of your Oga at the top!

You sabi tell lies but you get oga!

What was his response to these three Questions I asked as he did NOT address any of them. Your friend is a historian but he was asked a comprehension question and not a repetition of memorisation question

Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?


You might want to help him if you can!

AbuTwins:
I gave you Qur'an verses and you're asking for screenshots?

Give me the verses that approves the screenshots?

Please I beg you kindly elevate your IQ.

How can any sane mind compare the Qur'an verses that differentiate Allah and Ba'al to screenshots not founded in the Qur'an and authentic Sunnah of Islam?

IAre the moon and star not the same symbols of Allah as they are for Baal?

Please be sincere with yourself.

AbuTwins:
Okay, we'll start a thread on trinity! How biblical is it!
And another on the historicity of the Bible old testament and then new testament!

What about Abraham and the Kaaba?

Should we start a thread on how you'll prove that Abraham founded the ka'aba too?

FxMasterz:
Should we start a thread on how you'll prove that Abraham founded the ka'aba too?

Why not?

Start it personally and mention me!

Don't send your oga o!

FxMasterz:
IAre the moon and star not the same symbols of Allah as they are for Baal?

Please be sincere with yourself.

Show us the verses that states that moon and stars are symbols of Islam ?

Was it ever used during the Prophet's time?

Do show us?

TenQ:
Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?

In the response of Rashduct4luv above, Zaid Ibn Thabit was commissioned to compile the Qur'an by Abu Bakr the first Caliph. He didn't edit it later but copied it with other Sahabahs.

Uthman the third Caliph requested for the compiled Qur'an from Hafsah bnt Umar. And this was copied and sent to Muslim lands.

Where did your edition came from?

2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?

This is a lie from the pit of hell. Recitation is different from memorisers!

We need memorisers to compile the Qur'an not reciters! It was memorisers that died that necessitated compilation of the Qur'an in the first place!

3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?

You might want to help him if you can!

What's the difference?
Show me the difference?
Everything is posted by rashduct4luv up there but you won't read!

Rashduct4luv:
From my post here in 2019 https://www.nairaland.com/5569177/wrote-quraan-how-it-put

Question
Who wrote the Qur’aan and how was it put together?

Answer
Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:
Allaah has guaranteed to preserve this Qur’aan Himself. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”
[al-Hijr 15:9]

Ibn Jareer al-Tabari said in his Tafseer, 14/8:
Allaah is saying, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (Reminder), i.e. the Qur’aan, and We will guard the Qur’aan against anything false being added to it that is not part of it, or anything that is part of it being taken away, whether that has to do with rulings, hudood punishments or matters having to do with inheritance.

Al-Sa’di said in his Tafseer (p. 696):
It is We Who have sent down the Qur’aan in which there is mention of all issues and clear evidence, and in which We remind those who want to be reminded.

“and surely, We will guard it” means, when it is being revealed and after it has been revealed. When it is revealed, We protect it from the tampering of every accursed devil, and after it has been revealed Allaah instilled it in the heart of His Messenger. Allaah protected the words from being changed and from anything being added or taken away, or from its meanings being distorted. So no one can attempt to distort its meanings but Allaah will guide someone to explain the truth of the Qur’aan. This is one of the greatest signs of Allaah and His blessing to His believing slaves. Another aspect of this protection is that Allaah protects the people of the Qur’aan against their enemies, and no enemy can overpower them and eliminate them.

The Qur’aan was revealed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in stages over a period of twenty-three years. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (it is) a Qur’aan which We have divided (into parts), in order that you might recite it to men at intervals. And We have revealed it by stages”
[al-Isra’ 17:106]

Al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
This means, We have revealed this Qur’aan in stages, to differentiate between guidance and misguidance, between truth and falsehood.

“in order that you might recite it to men at intervals” means, slowly, so that they may ponder and think about its meanings, and understand the different branches of knowledge contained therein.

“And We have revealed it by stages” means, gradually, over a period of twenty-three years.
Tafseer al-Sa’di, p. 760.

Secondly:
Literacy was not widespread among the Arabs. Allaah described them in such terms when He said (interpretation of the meaning):

“He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger (Muhammad) from among themselves”
[al-Jumu’ah 63:2]

They used to memorize the Qur’aan by heart, and a few of them used to write down some verses or soorahs on animal skins, thin white stones and the like.

Thirdly:
At first the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade the writing of anything other than the Qur’aan, and he forbade them to write down his words for a while, so that the Sahaabah would focus on memorizing the Qur’aan and writing it down, and so that the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would not be confused with the words of Allaah, and so the Qur’aan was protected from anything being added or taken away.

Fourthly:
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) appointed a group of his companions who were trustworthy and knowledgeable to write down the revelation. They are known in their biographies as those who wrote down the Revelation, such as the four Caliphs, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas, Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan, Zayd ibn Thaabit and others – may Allaah be pleased with them all.

Fifthly:
The Qur’aan was revealed in seven dialects as was narrated in the saheeh hadeeth of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). This was narrated by al-Bukhaari (2287) and Muslim (818); these were the dialects of the Arabs which were known for their eloquence.

Sixthly:
The Qur’aan continued to be preserved in the hearts of the Sahaabah who had memorized it, and on the skins and other materials until the time of the caliph Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him). During the Riddah wars many of the Sahaabah who had memorized the Qur’aan were killed, and Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) was afraid that the Qur’aan would be lost. So he consulted the senior Sahaabah about compiling the Qur’aan in a single book so that it would remain preserved and would not be lost. He entrusted this mission to the chief of memorizers Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him). Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4986) that Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:

Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq sent for me when the people of al-Yamaamah had been killed [i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against the false prophet Musaylimah]. (I went to him) and found ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), “ ‘Umar has come to me and said: ‘Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'aan (i.e. those who knew the Qur’aan by heart) on the day of the battle of al-Yamaamah, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur’aan may be lost. Therefore I suggest that you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur’aan be collected.” I said to 'Umar, "How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?" 'Umar said, "By Allah, this is something good." 'Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allaah opened my heart to it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). “You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). So search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur’aan and compile it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to move one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to compile the Qur’aan. Then I said (to Abu Bakr), "How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allaah, it is a good thing." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allaah opened my heart to that to which He had opened the hearts of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. So I started looking for the Qur’aan and collecting it from (what it was written on) palm stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, until I found the last Verse of Soorat al-Tawbah with Abu Khuzaymah al-Ansaari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The verse is (interpretation of the meaning):

"Verily, there has come unto you a Messenger (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty...” [al-Tawbah 9:128] until the end of Soorat Baraa’ah (i.e., al-Tawbah).

Then the complete manuscript (copy) of the Qur’aan remained with Abu Bakr until he died, then with 'Umar until the end of his life, and then with Hafsah, the daughter of 'Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him).

The Sahaabi Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) knew the Qur’aan by heart but he was methodical in his confirmation; he would not agree to write down any verse until two of the Sahaabah testified that they had heard it from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

This Mus-haf (written copy of the Qur’aan) remained in the hands of the caliphs until the time of the Rightly-Guided Caliph ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan (may Allaah be pleased with him). The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) had dispersed to different lands, and they used to recite the Qur’aan according to what they had heard of the seven recitations from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and each of their students used to recite according to what he had heard from his shaykh. If a student heard someone reciting in a manner different from what he knew, he would denounce him and accuse him of making a mistake, and this went on until the Sahaabah feared that there would be fitnah (trouble) between the Taabi’een and successive generations. So they thought that they should unite the people in following one recitation, which was in the dialect of Quraysh in which the Qur’aan had first been revealed, so as to dispel any disputes and resolve the matter. ‘Uthmaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) was consulted, and he agreed with this opinion.

Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4988) from Anas ibn Maalik that Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan came to ‘Uthmaan at the time when the people of Shaam (Syria) and the people of Iraq were waging war to conquer Armenia and Azerbaijan. Hudhayfah was alarmed by their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur’aan, so he said to 'Uthmaan, "O Ameer al-Mu’mineen! Save this nation before they dispute about the Book (Qur’aan) as the Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthmaan sent a message to Hafsah saying, "Send us the manuscript of the Qur’aan so that we may make copies of the Mus-haf and we will return the manuscript to you."

Hafsah sent it to 'Uthmaan. Then 'Uthmaan ordered Zayd ibn Thaabit, 'Abdullah ibn al-Zubayr, Sa’eed ibn al-‘Aas and ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Haarith ibn Hishaam to copy out the manuscripts. 'Uthmaan said to the three men who were from Quraysh (the tribe of which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was a member), “In case you disagree with Zayd ibn Thaabit on any point in the Qur’aan, then write it in the dialect of Quraysh, for the Qur’aan was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthmaan returned the original manuscripts to Hafsah.

'Uthmaan sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'aanic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.

Ibn Shihaab said: Khaarijah ibn Zayd ibn Thaabit told me that he heard Zayd ibn Thaabit say: “When we made copies of the Mus-haf I missed a verse of al-Ahzaab that I used to hear the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recite. So we searched for it and we found it with Khuzaymah ibn Thaabit al-Ansaari. (The verse was) ‘Among the believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allaah’ [al-Ahzaab 33:23 – interpretation of the meaning]. So we put it in its place in its soorah in the Mus-haf.”

Thus an end was put to dispute and the Muslims were united. The Qur’aan has remained and will remain narrated from generation to generation and preserved in men's hearts until the Day of Resurrection. This is how Allaah has preserved His Book, in confirmation of the verse in which He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”
[al-Hijr 15:9]

And Allaah knows best.

Reading this is meaningful to only those who knew not that you are trying hard to present Islam from FALLACY, FICTION, FALSEHOOD, FABRICATION MISREPRESENTATION and MISINTERPRETATION - the foundation of Christianity.
As I always laughed and said that I pity those who will be wasting their time, reasoning thinking and argument to answer or explain anything to you about the jargon - jargons you are ROBOTICALLY PROGRAMED to display, as NUISANCE to Islam in the religion section of Nairaland.

AbuTwins:
Of course he won't say it like that just as the Jesus you called God didn't ever call himself God anywhere in the Bible! Nor was trinity ever mentioned in any authentic biblical verses!

If you're ready tell me!

Salam 'alaykum.
I don't know whether you are aware that TenQ and Co are monthly paid Nuisance of Islam in religion section of Nairaland?
I have bee with them here more than a year and I have discovered that. My candid advice for is to ignore them with shorted reply, because they are anti Islam ROBOTICAL PROGRAMED, whom it is wasting of time reasoning thinking and argument to answer, not even to convince them. What I mean is that if they are not format, disable and reprogram; discussing Islam issues with them is exercise in futility.
Mas-salam.

gaskiyamagana:
Salam 'alaykum.
I don't know whether you are aware that TenQ and Co are monthly paid Nuisance of Islam in religion section of Nairaland?
I have bee with them here more than a year and I have discovered that. My candid advice for is to ignore them with shorted reply, because they are anti Islam ROBOTICAL PROGRAMED, whom it is wasting of time reasoning thinking and argument to answer, not even to convince them. What I mean is that if they are not format, disable and reprogram; discussing Islam issues with them is exercise in futility.
Mas-salam.

Wa alaikum salam!

I have been seeing that!

Will engage them a little and leave them with there blindness!

Jazaak Allaahu khayran!

AbuTwins:
Show us the verses that states that moon and stars are symbols of Islam ?

Was it ever used during the Prophet's time?

Do show us?

My friend, are you trying to deny the obvious? Have you ever seen a mosque without the symbols?

AbuTwins:
Why not?

Start it personally and mention me!

Don't send your oga o!

Nice one.

Everyone knowledgeable about the topic would contribute. Who are you afraid of?

AbuTwins:
Of course he won't say it like that just as the Jesus you called God didn't ever call himself God anywhere in the Bible! Nor was trinity ever mentioned in any authentic biblical verses!

If you're ready tell me!

No one forced you to make the yeye claim you made before that Muhammad gave them the order to burn the Quran after his death and replace it with their own version. You were the one that made the assertion that “salallahu alayhi wasalam gave them the order!”

-So provide your proof and remain silent forever.
We know your type, you’re always lying the Satan your god, Al-Makireena the best of the deceivers

gaskiyamagana:
Salam 'alaykum.
I don't know whether you are aware that TenQ and Co are monthly paid Nuisance of Islam in religion section of Nairaland?
I have bee with them here more than a year and I have discovered that. My candid advice for is to ignore them with shorted reply, because they are anti Islam ROBOTICAL PROGRAMED, whom it is wasting of time reasoning thinking and argument to answer, not even to convince them. What I mean is that if they are not format, disable and reprogram; discussing Islam issues with them is exercise in futility.
Mas-salam.

And if you are lying against us that we are being paid for what we do in exposing your false religion may God punish you!

You think that we are like some of your Muslim people that go to Mecca to beg for money from the Arabs in order to be building mosques and spread Islam in Africa?

We are motivated by exposing falsehoods and showing truth to those whose minds you have bounded with lies!

AbuTwins:
Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam gave them the order!

Will you shut up if I give you the proof?

Not Allah himself but Mohammed gave order to burn the book of Allah!?

Meaning that Mohammed is the author of the Qur'an

TenQ:
Not Allah himself but Mohammed gave order to burn the book of Allah!?

Meaning that Mohammed is the author of the Qur'an

Allah says in Qur'an 53:3-4 what means "Nor does he (Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam) speak of (his own) desire. It is only an Inspiration that is inspired.

So whatever he says regarding Islam is inspired!

Just as you believe that Jesus can do nothing of his own as he hear so he judges....

So stop the nonsense diversion tactics!

AbuTwins:
In the response of Rashduct4luv above, Zaid Ibn Thabit was commissioned to compile the Qur'an by Abu Bakr the first Caliph. He didn't edit it later but copied it with other Sahabahs.

Uthman the third Caliph requested for the compiled Qur'an from Hafsah bnt Umar. And this was copied and sent to Muslim lands.

Where did your edition came from?

1. The Qur'an of Abubakr was missing at least with evidence A verse from Surat Ahzab

Sahih al-Bukhari 4988
Zaid bin Thabit added, "A verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was):
'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)

2. Is it untrue that Zaid did not just copy the Qur'an of Hafsa (Abubakr) but rewrote a NEW Qur'an both from the Qur'an of Hafsa AND from the collection and memory of other Muslims?

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3104
Narrated Az-Zuhri:
... So Hafsah sent the manuscripts to 'Uthman bin 'Affan. 'Uthman then sent order for Zaid bin Thabit, Sa'eed bin Al-'As, 'Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Harith bin Hisham, and 'Abdullah bin Az-Zubair to copy the manuscripts in the Musahif. 'Uthman said to the three Quraish men: 'In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the (recitation dialect of the) Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish for it was in their tongue.' So when they had copied the manuscripts, 'Uthman sent one Mushaf from those Musahif that they had copied to every province." Az-Zuhri said: "Kharijah bin Zaid [bin Thabit] narrated to me that Zaid bin Thabit said: 'I missed an Ayah of Surat Al-Ahzab that I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) reciting: Among the believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah, of them some have fulfilled their obligations, and some of them are still waiting (33:23) - so I searched for it and found it with Khuzaimah bin Thabit, or Abu Khuzaimah, so I put it in its Surah.'" Az-Zuhri said: "They differed then with At-Tabut and At-Tabuh. The Quraish said: At-Tabut while Zaid said: At-Tabuh. Their disagreement was brought to 'Uthman, so he said: 'Write it as At-Tabut, for it was revealed in the tongue of the Quraish.'"
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Can you see that Hafsa's Qur'an was not just COPIED but Rebuilt from other sources?
This is a new EDITION of the Qur'an not identical to the Qur'an of Hafsa

AbuTwins:
This is a lie from the pit of hell. Recitation is different from memorisers!

We need memorisers to compile the Qur'an not reciters! It was memorisers that died that necessitated compilation of the Qur'an in the first place!

Where did you learn this.
Are you saying that these four are not memorisers of the Qur'an!?

You may want to tell us the difference between a reciter and a memorise when their was no written Qur'an!

AbuTwins:
What's the difference?
Show me the difference?
Everything is posted by rashduct4luv up there but you won't read!

I have shown you.
Here is at least one documented difference
1. Qur'an of with Abubakar has Quran 9:128-129 but missing Qur'an 33:23
2. Qur'an of Uthman corrected Abubakrs Qur'an by adding Quran 33:23

gaskiyamagana:
Reading this is meaningful to only those who knew not that you are trying hard to present Islam from FALLACY, FICTION, FALSEHOOD, FABRICATION MISREPRESENTATION and MISINTERPRETATION - the foundation of Christianity.
As I always laughed and said that I pity those who will be wasting their time, reasoning thinking and argument to answer or explain anything to you about the jargon - jargons you are ROBOTICALLY PROGRAMED to display, as NUISANCE to Islam in the religion section of Nairaland.

My questions were simple AND I didn't ask for the history of the compilation of the Qur'an as I already stated it.


Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?


You might want to help him if you can!

gaskiyamagana:
Salam 'alaykum.
I don't know whether you are aware that TenQ and Co are monthly paid Nuisance of Islam in religion section of Nairaland?
I have bee with them here more than a year and I have discovered that. My candid advice for is to ignore them with shorted reply, because they are anti Islam ROBOTICAL PROGRAMED, whom it is wasting of time reasoning thinking and argument to answer, not even to convince them. What I mean is that if they are not format, disable and reprogram; discussing Islam issues with them is exercise in futility.
Mas-salam.

See fear written All over your faces!

TenQ and Co were PAID to cause "Nuisance of Islam in religion section of Nairaland"!?
1. Who is paying TenQ and Co (is it Seun the founder of Nairaland.com)?
2. How much is the monthly salary? If the amount is good, you may have more people willing to join!

Tell me:
Why do you hate the truth this much?
Are their things I say about Islam that I don't show you Evidences from your own Islamic books?

Why do you want to enter hell before acknowledging the truth?

For your information :
I write against Islam because it is a deception of satan to take you away from the Salvation of God through the Messiah.

Does it matter if Adam was decieved by Iblis or not at the end of the day. Didn't Adam pay the price for his own deception?
So also you Muslims!


Quran 19:71
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the Fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord

All of you entering the fire!?
Shouldn't this concern you?

AbuTwins:
Allah says in Qur'an 53:3-4 what means "Nor does he (Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam) speak of (his own) desire. It is only an Inspiration that is inspired.

So whatever he says regarding Islam is inspired!

But you reject all you don't like from Mohammed as Maudu or Daif?

AbuTwins:
Just as you believe that Jesus can do nothing of his own as he hear so he judges....

Jesus had Miracles attesting to the fact that He is from God: don't He!?

AbuTwins:
So stop the nonsense diversion tactics!

Firstly
The Quran actually says that it is the words of Mohammed

Qur'an 69:40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.

Secondly,
What is the evidence that the Qur'an was from Allah?

For other prophets, God gives them signs (Miracles, Prophecies, Attributes) that show to people that these men are from God.
1. What is the evidence for Jibril?
2. What is the Evidence from Allah that Mohammed is sent by him?

FxMasterz:
My friend, are you trying to deny the obvious? Have you ever seen a mosque without the symbols?

Show us a proof from our text!

The altar of Jesus and Mary exists in the Roman Catholic churches. But that doesn't mean it is biblical.

This is why I always call you ignoramus with the holy spirit!

My mosque has no such symbols and so many other mosques!