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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by lbrichman2: 8:27pm On Apr 12 |
AndSunGorilla: Seems they really want KC to leave |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:28pm On Apr 12 |
Let me get some excerpts from Reddit because when it is coming from TheGoodJoe, some just want to fight. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:29pm On Apr 12 |
AndSunGorilla: Please I will like to hear it. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:31pm On Apr 12 |
Comparing modern players to players of past generations There seems to be something that people here hardly ever talk about when comparing players now to players of the past (e.g. Messi vs Maradona/Pele), and it really annoys me because it would be great if people could debate the issue with everyone being on the same page. More specifically, there are two things that people need to remember, but unfortunately only the first is usually mentioned: Modern day football is more difficult on the pitch. There's no argument. Defenders went into challenges far easier in the past. They were less fit. They had less knowledge of tactics, and teams as a whole were less organised. This obviously favours the argument for modern day players. This is the point that often gets overlooked. It wasn't Pele's fault, or Maradona's fault, or Cruyff's fault, or whoever else from the past, that they didn't have access to modern day tactics, modern day technology (for football boots, pitches, balls, training facilities, etc.), modern day training programs for fitness, diet, muscle development, etc. (Actually maybe it was their fault a bit, considering Cruyff in particular was quite rebellious and smoked during training and other shit too.) But anyway, the point is, they would be different players if they were playing today. No doubt they would have become footballers today due to all the advantages listed above. So, at least in my opinion, the argument should be: A modern player like Messi can be considered better than Maradona or Pele from an objective, absolute viewpoint, but any discussion beyond that, for example about how it was easier back then, is pointless because (a) you can argue the other way about the benefits of training today, and (b) it's all hypothetical. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:35pm On Apr 12 |
Today's players are faster and stronger, and the gap between the top and the bottom is always smaller (which is why back in the 80s and 70s, players would stand out so much at world cups compared to nowadays. Stars haven't gotten worse, everyone else is just better now). |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 8:38pm On Apr 12 |
I think we are quite different in ways we analyze things. I analyze based on what I see and experience. You analyze based on what others says. I ask a simple question. Name a player who is 30 years old today that has won the Ballon? The Ballon winners even in this generation came from the generation you said will struggle today. lol! QED! TheGoodJoe: 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:43pm On Apr 12 |
Marjoribanks: 😂 😆 You got it totally wrong. All I talk or post is actually what I see. I only go to get people's comments because I know there are other people seeing what I am seeing. Most I type is actually from my personal study of the game. If you want me to go indepth of what Thiago Alcantara said, I will, siting examples and matches. What you will say is that I watch the game differently. I see the intensity. I see the development of the game. I see the tactical changes and growth. I appreciate development faster. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:45pm On Apr 12 |
Marjoribanks: Generation a player started from is not the yardstick but playing and training under the current tactical methods. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 8:48pm On Apr 12 |
Then answer my question! lol! Where are those players and their Ballon? TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:52pm On Apr 12 |
Marjoribanks: I don't get the context of the question. Please make the point or prove why you disagree that the game today has more intensity of the past. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 8:54pm On Apr 12 |
TheGoodJoe:I think the coach is intentionally sidelining KC. Since after AFCON, the best is KC making a substitute appearance. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:58pm On Apr 12 |
AndSunGorilla: Whoooo. That is heavy. But, I think I will agree with you. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 9:09pm On Apr 12 |
My question is easy to understand. Name a player in this generation that has won a Ballon since they are better than the older generation. If they are better why is it that none of them has won the Ballon. It is still Zidane's generation of players winning the Ballon. lol! TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 9:12pm On Apr 12 |
My guy no dey good at short window thing o. TheSuperNerd: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 9:22pm On Apr 12 |
Leicester sort of almost self-destructing. Abi na somebody head dey swear for dem? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 9:55pm On Apr 12 |
AndSunGorilla: Kaiii |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:02pm On Apr 12 |
Marjoribanks: Explain the context of your debate because I still get it. For instance, Messi was never a better player than Haaland last season. Haaland swept titles, broke EPL and Champions League record but Messi won Balloon D'or. So I don't get the relevance of your point. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 10:14pm On Apr 12 |
Aw shit |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:09pm On Apr 12 |
Manu, Bosso, Salisu |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:10pm On Apr 12 |
Why are they benching Iheanacho? If na indigenous coach for national team now we for don dey suspect. Coaches will be coaches. AndSunGorilla: 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Subzerooo: 11:27pm On Apr 12 |
mrwilliams9: What separates Osimhen from Boniface is not any footballing ability but the mentality and hunger 3 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 11:32pm On Apr 12 |
TheGoodJoe:Who voted? Are they not the same modern day football stakeholders? Is it not a shame to your modern day ideology that no footballer born in 1993 or after has a Ballon. First time in the history of football that a generation of 3 decades of footballers won't have a Ballon. Shows how mediocre todays footballers are! Shame! 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Tessyy1701: 11:35pm On Apr 12 |
TheGoodJoe: What happen to MARESCA ball sir! |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 12:20am On Apr 13 |
Joebie:And so? Manu has won the under 17. Bosso the World under 20 semis and Salisu CHAN finals. Which of your homebased coaches are better than them? I can see through your hypocrisy! |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Napoleon55(m): 12:49am On Apr 13 |
Marjoribanks:It's really a shame,even with all the technological and scientific advancement to the modern age aid,yet they cannot be measured ahead of the past greats. TheGoodJoe should stop bragging about the modern game because they have the increased and advanced technological and scientific knowledge to their advantage unlike the old era. The doctors of today shouldn't be bragging about how they are now able to treat certain diseases which the doctors of the old were unable to treat. The gadgets we use now are more sophisticated compared to 3 decades ago,so is football we play now is expected to be more in what football can offer. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 1:03am On Apr 13 |
Bosso is World U20 Quarters Twice (2007 and 2023). He's never made the Semis. Marjoribanks: 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 1:17am On Apr 13 |
Absolutely! Unlucky against France and Korea respectively! TheSuperNerd: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Unlimited22: 1:20am On Apr 13 |
Marjoribanks:That France own pain me Ezekiel Bala set. What happened to that guy? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 1:41am On Apr 13 |
My mistake, It was against Chile. France was 2011 - Omeruo, Ejike etc. Unlimited22: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by typicalgamer(m): 6:31am On Apr 13 |
TheGoodJoe: You never see anything see who you they follow debate 🤣 |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by lovewins: 7:17am On Apr 13 |
Marjoribanks: How do we know who is better than them though when others rarely get a chance like they did? Remo has an academy that has done significantly well both home and abroad. They won a tournament in France and are leading their NNL group at the moment. How about give a coach like that a chance? There are many others like him who only needs a chance to prove themselves. Away from the point, I also do not think it's fair putting Manu Garba in the same line as Bosso and Salisu. He's proven himself to be different. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Tessyy1701: 7:45am On Apr 13 |
Marjoribanks: Fidelis Ilechukwu is better than 1 if not 2 of this people |
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