TenQ:

Softwares in a machine do NOT do anything: it is the Hardware in the Machine that does things.

I don't quite know what sort of machine you are limiting yourself to, but if you go to a factory that uses computer controlled machinery to make, say, Ford cars, you'd find that the machines only do whatever they do because the software specially instructs the machine to do what the machine does. And if you take the software out of that machine the machine would literally be dead and do nothing.

TenQ:
It is the hardware that switches, turns on, varies signal. it doesn't even UNDERSTAND the signal it is receiving. It is a dumb slave.

See the video below. It only does what the software installed in it has been programmed to instruct it to do. If you remove the software that instructs it, or if you program the machine with software that it could not understand, it would do absolutely nothing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNuJPAtQAIs?si=PliObPrVifHsrkzz

If you build a desktop computer and do not install any software in it, it would not even boot up when you switch it on. So, to say the software that instructs it does nothing is just plain dumb.

TenQ:

Tell me then how you can quantify the instruction of Tiunubui in terms of Mass, Energy or Dimension with time. ANYTHING that is tangible can be characterised with this.

I do not want to "quantify the instruction of Tiunubui in terms of Mass, Energy or Dimension with time", and nor do I have to!

Quantifying instruction in terms of Mass, Energy or Dimension with time, is your thing, so you do it if you want to.

And go read my response when you first posed this please.

TenQ:

If it is true that:
The information it NOT the paper on which it is written,
The information it NOT the ink by which it is written,
The information it NOT the language by which it is written,
The information it NOT the style which it is written,

We have done this already. So, unless you want to claim my response to it is gibberish to you, please go back and read my response please.

And at this point, buda rests, because you are only repeating what I have already addressed and I don't feel the need to repeat myself.

If you however have not understood because you lack the appropriate decoder and therefore think my previous responses are gibberish to you, tell me what you can't decode so I can attempt to program you with the appropriate decoder.

TenQ:

I am wasting the time I dont have with you sir!

I guess only LordReed can speak some clarity into you

You have a good evening too, TenQ. And thank you very much for your time.

TenQ:

You did NOT answer them sir!

Questions:
4. Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist?
5. Tell me, how can one prove the existence of a software WITHIN an AI machine's CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software?

Keep Knocking your thick skull against it understanding seems to be trickling into your brain that way. Go back to my answers to 4 and 5 along with the other one I quoted to you, Knock your head against them some more.

TenQ:

Aim:
That some Things exist which are NOT tangible is the aim!

Software is tangible.
What things exist that lack tangibility?

TenQ:


I can understand how ignorance is the fuel behind your stance.

Have a nice day

How is it?
Software can be programmed and stored. That is tangibility. What else are you talking about?

jaephoenix:

How is it?
Software can be programmed and stored. That is tangibility. What else are you talking about?

Khai!
Should you not even consult with people who should know?

jaephoenix:

Software is tangible.
What things exist that lack tangibility?

Starts with S and ends with pirit.

jaephoenix:

Software is tangible.
What things exist that lack tangibility?

Software is tangible!?

And Mathematics
And Logic
And Information?

budaatum:


You are very funny, my Lord.

You don't need to make a sentence about sounds you sense (touch) with your ears. The point is, if he had not made sounds that you could sense, hence that were tangible, you would not have heard him.

Note the below.



You can not literally touch the "tension in a room". All you can do is sense and/or feel it, which, non-literally speaking, is the same as touching it with your ears. Be aware that there is no reason why one must be literal, and you know buda often isn't.

Below are other examples of untouchable things that are described as tangible.



You can not touch a "tangible impact on search". You can not touch a "conflict of Choice’s street scenes". You definitely can not touch "tangible, relevant information" Etc. All you can do is sense (feel) them.

The image in a mirror and the sound of the person in a room, are way more senseable (touchable with one's eyes or ears) than some things described since you can see the image in the mirror with your eyes and hear the sound with your ears.

I touched your comment above by sensing it with my eyes and with my mind because you made your intangible thought tangible for me to touch it. If you had not made your comment above tangible for me to touch it with my senses, the only way I would be reading it is with my mind reader.

One last try. Is a patent tangible or intangible?

TenQ:

Aim:
That some Things exist which are NOT tangible is the aim!

Using a computer software as an extended metaphor for your god and denying it at the same time is dishonest behavior .

When the word ,software, in your questions is replaced with Spirit or God, your deception is easily exposed.

You can't use your knowledge of computer softwares to interpret how the god in the Bible exist. Doing so is ridiculing yourself, mocking and limiting your god by equating it with a man made object, softwares.

Spirits and God or gods are classified as supernatural, while computers science is classified as both natural science and social science depending on the field.So your comparison is inappropriate . Interpreting and explaining what's called supernatural requires something much more than your amateurish display.

A computer software is created by humans and by that we know it exists even though we can't touch it physically. It's not compulsory that it must be touched , measured , or even tasted like salt directly before it can installed in a machine.Those considerations are important to you because of what you're doing and denying; Your very poor attempt to prove as real something you think exist , but not bold enough to mention .

Is spirit or God created by humans just like a computer software? Can it be destroyed easily just like a software?

If you answer the above questions honestly it will help you see how you fumbled.

Budaatum patiently interacting with you has made you believe you had something goimg to brag about and insult everyone with.

TenQ:

Software is tangible!?

And Mathematics
And Logic
And Information?

Mathematics is a branch of science. I think tangible. Cos we feel its effects and can directly study it. We see the branches of math.
Same as logic.
Information is tangible too

Now before you start convulsing, here is Merriam Webster definition of tangible

tangible
1 of 2
adjective
tan·​gi·​ble ˈtan-jə-bəl
Synonyms of tangible
1
a
: capable of being perceived especially by the sense of touch : PALPABLE
b
: substantially real : MATERIAL
2
: capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind
her grief was tangible
3
: capable of being appraised at an actual or approximate value


From the above definition, we can deduce mathematics, information etc are all tangible since we can appraise them

The confusion with the word tangible is that it can be used both literally and figuratively to refer to things we can experience both within and outside of ourselves.

By touching it with the hand literally or by feeling or sensing it not with the hand..

We can't touch it but we know or sense it's there,.So it's tangible .

A software is" tangible" because we know or can sense it's there within our device,if not nothing happens.

KnownUnknown:


Starts with S and ends with pirit.

Which spirit? The one we drink or the one christians convulse about on Sundays?
If its the former, its very much tangible. The later is not tangible by any stretch of the imagination. Why? Can we see, touch, hear, taste it? No. Can we appraise it? No. In fact ask 10 christians in the same denominations what the spirit is, and you'll get 11 definitions or properties. And if you ask 10 christians from different denominations, you'll even get 50 definitions. This is cos its not an entity that is tangible and thus everybody and his dog can say or describe it how he feels

TenQ:

Khai!
Should you not even consult with people who should know?

Please I suggest you find out the definition of tangibility before engaging me
Thank you

jaephoenix:

Which spirit? The one we drink or the one christians convulse about on Sundays?
If its the former, its very much tangible. The later is not tangible by any stretch of the imagination. Why? Can we see, touch, hear, taste it? No. Can we appraise it? No. In fact ask 10 christians in the same denominations what the spirit is, and you'll get 11 definitions or properties. And if you ask 10 christians from different denominations, you'll even get 50 definitions. This is cos its not an entity that is tangible and thus everybody and his dog can say or describe it how he feels

Spirits are not only intangible, they are also non physical and invincible.

The Holy Spirit is also non physical except for the physical dick it used to fvck Mary. So if you ever meet the Holy Spirit, all you’d see is a floating BBC.

KnownUnknown:


Spirits are not only intangible, they are also non physical and invincible.

The Holy Spirit is also non physical except for the physical dick it used to fvck Mary. So if you ever meet the Holy Spirit, all you’d see is a floating BBC.

That would make it desirable to ladies. No wonder they always 'fall under' the Spirit. Such heavenly falls make them delirious amd take them to cloud 9

jaephoenix:

Software is tangible.
What things exist that lack tangibility?

Software is not tangible!

Water in a bucket is tangible because with or without the bucket, the water remains tangible.

Not so with a software sir!

jaephoenix:

How is it?
Software can be programmed and stored. That is tangibility. What else are you talking about?

This is not tangibility :

What is the shape or mass or energy of a software?

Anything that is tangible must have at least one of these three

triplechoice:


Using a computer software as an extended metaphor for your god and denying it at the same time is dishonest behavior .

When the word ,software, in your questions is replaced with Spirit or God, your deception is easily exposed.

You can't use your knowledge of computer softwares to interpret how the god in the Bible exist. Doing so is ridiculing yourself, mocking and limiting your god by equating it with a man made object, softwares.

Spirits and God or gods are classified as supernatural, while computers science is classified as both natural science and social science depending on the field.So your comparison is inappropriate . Interpreting and explaining what's called supernatural requires something much more than your amateurish display.

A computer software is created by humans and by that we know it exists even though we can't touch it physically. It's not compulsory that it must be touched , measured , or even tasted like salt directly before it can installed in a machine.Those considerations are important to you because of what you're doing and denying; Your very poor attempt to prove as real something you think exist , but not bold enough to mention .

Is spirit or God created by humans just like a computer software? Can it be destroyed easily just like a software?

If you answer the above questions honestly it will help you see how you fumbled.

Budaatum patiently interacting with you has made you believe you had something goimg to brag about and insult everyone with.

See how stupid your articulation sounds.

I have not even once related software in a machine to soul or spirit. All I've been knocking into your thick skulls is that
1. There are REAL existences that are not TANGIBLE!
2. Anything that is TANGIBLE must have either a mass , a dimension or energy and can relate with time.
3. It is stupidity to require a Physical proof of that which is not tangible.
4. I gave other examples of INTANGIBLES that are nevertheless REAL
a. LOGIC
b. MATHEMATICS
c. INFORMATION
d. LIFE
5. Then I gave a challenge for you to find a physical means (measurement of mass, dimension, energy) by which you can measure these real intangibles like Software, Logic, Mathematica nd Information

Unfortunately, I see that Atheists are the most shallow human beings who think Softwares in a Machine is tangible.

No wonder, atheists reach nonsensical positions which is the manifestation of their shallow minds


Sorry, I am not to give pearls to Pigs.

Again my Challenge to Atheists:
1. If an existence is not tangible i.e. cannot be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time, does it prove it doesn't exist?
2. Is a software within a machine REAL or not?
3. Can the software within a machine be "measured" or "quantified" by any physical means?
4. Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist?
5. Tell me, how can one prove the existence of a software WITHIN an AI machine's CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software?

jaephoenix:

Mathematics is a branch of science. I think tangible. Cos we feel its effects and can directly study it. We see the branches of math.
Same as logic.
Information is tangible too

Now before you start convulsing, here is Merriam Webster definition of tangible

tangible
1 of 2
adjective
tan·​gi·​ble ˈtan-jə-bəl
Synonyms of tangible
1
a
: capable of being perceived especially by the sense of touch : PALPABLE
b
: substantially real : MATERIAL
2
: capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind
her grief was tangible
3
: capable of being appraised at an actual or approximate value


From the above definition, we can deduce mathematics, information etc are all tangible since we can appraise them

In other words
1. Grief is Tangible
2. Grief can be Appraised by value.


Then everything and every emotion is tangible.

This is your brilliant conclusion!
SMH.


You see why you are a waste of precious time?

LordReed:


One last try. Is a patent tangible or intangible?

My Lord, you read the examples that I did not write that I posted. So you tell me if a "conflict of Choice’s street scenes", and "tangible, relevant information", are tangible or not, and if not, let us both go and tell those who have suggested they are to correct themselves.

In response to your question, a patent can be both tangible and intangible, depending on the aspect referred to and the purpose. If I sell you a patent, I likely will be placing in your hands something you can touch.

You and I need to someday discuss the concept of duality, and how it imposes the notion of either or on thought.

jaephoenix:

Mathematics is a branch of science. I think tangible. Cos we feel its effects and can directly study it. We see the branches of math.
Same as logic.
Information is tangible too

Now before you start convulsing, here is Merriam Webster definition of tangible

tangible
1 of 2
adjective
tan·​gi·​ble ˈtan-jə-bəl
Synonyms of tangible
1
a
: capable of being perceived especially by the sense of touch : PALPABLE
b
: substantially real : MATERIAL
2
: capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind
her grief was tangible
3
: capable of being appraised at an actual or approximate value


From the above definition, we can deduce mathematics, information etc are all tangible since we can appraise them

I wonder, jaephoenix, what makes you see this way and why many others here can't.

Re Mathematics, I too agree that it can be tangible. We after all can talk about Concrete Mathematics, but I expect someone here to ask me how much cement is in it if I dared.

budaatum:

And now that we've gotten this far, can anyone state whether spirits are tangible or not, since that is why TenQ introduced the idea of tangibility in the first place?

No sir:
You are not Worthy of the knowledge: because you cannot even comprehend mundane "physical" things, how much more spiritual

I have not even once related software in a machine to soul or spirit. All I've been knocking into your thick skulls is that
1. There are REAL existences that are not TANGIBLE!
2. Anything that is TANGIBLE must have either a mass , a dimension or energy and can relate with time.
3. It is stupidity to require a Physical proof of that which is not tangible.
4. I gave other examples of INTANGIBLES that are nevertheless REAL
a. LOGIC
b. MATHEMATICS
c. INFORMATION
d. LIFE
5. Then I gave a challenge for you to find a physical means (measurement of mass, dimension, energy) by which you can measure these real intangibles like Software, Logic, Mathematica nd Information

Again my Challenge to Atheists:
1. If an existence is not tangible i.e. cannot be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time, does it prove it doesn't exist?
2. Is a software within a machine REAL or not?
3. Can the software within a machine be "measured" or "quantified" by any physical means?
4. Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist?
5. Tell me, how can one prove the existence of a software WITHIN an AI machine's CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software?



Unfortunately, all I see are confused shallow thinkers who do not know the difference between a MEDIUM to carry NON-TANGIBLES and the NON-TANGIBLE
Examples of Atheists
1. Mathematics is tangible because you can write it on paper
2. Life is Tangible because of the Effects it cases to living Beings
3. Logic is Tangible because we can write in in papers
4. Information is Tangible because we can write in in memo and we can transmit it by radio waves.
5. Softwares are tangible because the produce effects on the machine


How stupid can some educated people be?

CC: budaatum: jaephoenix: LordReed triplechoice:

Learn wisdom, not just talks!

budaatum:


My Lord, you read the examples that I did not write that I posted. So you tell me if a "conflict of Choice’s street scenes", and "tangible, relevant information", are tangible or not, and if not, let us both go and tell those who have suggested they are to correct themselves.

In response to your question, a patent can be both tangible and intangible, depending on the aspect referred to and the purpose. If I sell you a patent, I likely will be placing in your hands something you can touch.

You and I need to someday discuss the concept of duality, and how it imposes the notion of either or on thought.

Indeed we need to do that to discussion my dear buda.

TenQ:

See how stupid your articulation sounds.

I have not even once related software in a machine to soul or spirit. All I've been knocking into your thick skulls is that
1. There are REAL existences that are not TANGIBLE!
2. Anything that is TANGIBLE must have either a mass , a dimension or energy and can relate with time.
3. It is stupidity to require a Physical proof of that which is not tangible.
4. I gave other examples of INTANGIBLES that are nevertheless REAL
a. LOGIC
b. MATHEMATICS
c. INFORMATION
d. LIFE
5. Then I gave a challenge for you to find a physical means (measurement of mass, dimension, energy) by which you can measure these real intangibles like Software, Logic, Mathematica nd Information

Unfortunately, I see that Atheists are the most shallow human beings who think Softwares in a Machine is tangible.

No wonder, atheists reach nonsensical positions which is the manifestation of their shallow minds


Sorry, I am not to give pearls to Pigs.

Again my Challenge to Atheists:
1. If an existence is not tangible i.e. cannot be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time, does it prove it doesn't exist?
2. Is a software within a machine REAL or not?
3. Can the software within a machine be "measured" or "quantified" by any physical means?
4. Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist?
5. Tell me, how can one prove the existence of a software WITHIN an AI machine's CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software?

LoLz. Mathematics doesn't have physical proof? You are a fucķing clown. Bwahahahahaha!

LordReed:


LoLz. Mathematics doesn't have physical proof? You are a fucķing clown. Bwahahahahaha!

Is Mathematics the abstract science of number, quantity, and space, either as abstract concepts ( pure mathematics ), or as applied to other disciplines such as physics and engineering ( applied mathematics or what is written on paper ?

Stupidity!
What is the proof of mathematics?

Can you please show me mathematics because I want to give some to my wife?

TenQ:

See how stupid your articulation sounds.

I have not even once related software in a machine to soul or spirit. All I've been knocking into your thick skulls is that
1. There are REAL existences that are not TANGIBLE!
2. Anything that is TANGIBLE must have either a mass , a dimension or energy and can relate with time.
3. It is stupidity to require a Physical proof of that which is not tangible.
4. I gave other examples of INTANGIBLES that are nevertheless REAL
a. LOGIC
b. MATHEMATICS
c. INFORMATION
d. LIFE
5. Then I gave a challenge for you to find a physical means (measurement of mass, dimension, energy) by which you can measure these real intangibles like Software, Logic, Mathematica nd Information

Unfortunately, I see that Atheists are the most shallow human beings who think Softwares in a Machine is tangible.

No wonder, atheists reach nonsensical positions which is the manifestation of their shallow minds


Sorry, I am not to give pearls to Pigs.

Again my Challenge to Atheists:
1. If an existence is not tangible i.e. cannot be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time, does it prove it doesn't exist?
2. Is a software within a machine REAL or not?
3. Can the software within a machine be "measured" or "quantified" by any physical means?
4. Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist?
5. Tell me, how can one prove the existence of a software WITHIN an AI machine's CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software?

Then ,Why have you been acting irresponsibly by derailing the thread with something that has nothing do with the topic under discussion, spirit?

Why don't you create your own thread and invite those whom you want to invite?


If you're not using all of these as an extended metaphor for spirits or God,why are you directing your questions specifically to atheists whose position negates spirits and God ?



If your intentions are what you say they're,why are you acknowledging the commendations of fellow believers, including the JW? Why not just tell them it's not about spirit so they focus on the main?

See , you can fool some,not all.

Your ignorance of what an extended metaphor is, is why you think you can fool everyone.

You can continue to play the ostrich. That's your business .

I'm sure your fellow believers are getting very embarrassed seeing how you're now trying to foolishly deny what they have been praising you for.

My friend this thread is set to take us to the land of spirits and goblins. So, please take your discussion about software to where it's much needed. Thank you

Modified. Let me paraphrase your nonsense below

If a God is not tangible, i e, it cannot measured in terms of mass, dimension, energy and time, does it prove it doesn't exist?

It doesn't prove it doesn't exist,but it proves it doesn't exist here in the material world. It's very possible it exist only in your head. That's all

If you know all of the meaning attached to the word, tangible, you don't need to be told how stuoid your question is. If something is not tangible at all. It doesn't exist anywhere to even talk of measuring it

The only reason you resort to insults is you lack the intellectual capacity for an intelligent conversation, and that's enough for you to be considered intangible and therefore ignored.

TenQ:

See how stupid your articulation sounds.

I have not even once related software in a machine to soul or spirit. All I've been knocking into your thick skulls is that!

triplechoice:


Then ,Why have you been acting irresponsibly by derailing the thread with something that has nothing do with the topic under discussion, spirit?

Why don't you create your own thread and invite those whom you want to invite?

If you're not using all of these as an extended metaphor for spirits or God,why are you directing your questions specifically to atheists whose position negates spirits and God ?



If your intentions are what you say they're,why are you acknowledging the commendations of fellow believers, including the JW? Why not just tell them it's not about spirit so they focus on the main?

See , you can fool some,not all.

Your ignorance of what an extended metaphor is, is why you think you can fool everyone.

You can continue to play the ostrich. That's your business .

I'm sure your fellow believers are getting very embarrassed seeing how you're now trying to foolishly deny what they have been praising you for.

My friend this thread is set to take us to the land of spirits and goblins. So, please take your discussion about software to where it's much needed. Thank you

Modified. Let me paraphrase your nonsense below

If a God is not tangible, i e, it cannot measured in terms of mass, dimension, energy and time, does it prove it doesn't exist?

It doesn't prove it doesn't exist,but it proves it doesn't exist here in the material world. It's very possible it exist only in your head. That's all

He's being disingenuous and dishonest I think, or perhaps he wants to convince us his God does not exist. He sure has given us enough evidence to presume it doesn't.

LordReed:


LoLz. Mathematics doesn't have physical proof? You are a fucķing clown. Bwahahahahaha!

You're chatting with someone who doesn't know what's a proof of something. He only knows one thing and doesn't know that proof is synonymous with demonstration.

He wants to see a picture of intelligence before he accepts someone in front of him is demonstrating intelligence through what they say and do