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Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 11:39am On Apr 22 |
triplechoice:Tell me how you think the Spirit /Soul can be explained to an Atheist who think that any Reality that is not Tangible is FICTION? Is a Spirit/Soul Tangible? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by triplechoice(m): 12:04pm On Apr 22 |
TenQ:What's your definition of spirit first? I need to know that so I know we're on the same page and know where to start from |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 12:38pm On Apr 22 |
triplechoice:I do NOT explain spirit/soul to atheists UNLESS they can comprehend basic physical real life concepts |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by jaephoenix(m): 12:55pm On Apr 22 |
TenQ:There are many definitions for life, according to the MW Dictionary. But I'll assume u mean living. Now life/living is tangible. Why? Because it the culmination of breathing, having living cells working to keep you alive and prevent u from dying. And people that have this quality(live) are said to be alive and they do their regular everyday function because of this quality they possess, live. MW said any entity that can be appreciated is tangible. So again, yes life is tangible |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by jaephoenix(m): 12:58pm On Apr 22 |
TenQ:Please can you show me the dictionary meaning of the word atheism. I'm not bothered with any retard pulling definitions from his ass and expecting me to belief. I'm sorry, but I'll pass |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by jaephoenix(m): 12:59pm On Apr 22 |
StillDtruth:U r an ignoramus, so I won't take part in any discourse with u |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by jaephoenix(m): 1:01pm On Apr 22 |
TenQ:Bro, please if you don't like dictionary definitions then don't bother using any dictionary at all. If you have beef with that definition, please write up Merriam Webster, Cambridge, Longman etc and explain to them that they are wrong Thank you |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 1:04pm On Apr 22 |
jaephoenix:Life is that which animates any biological collection of cells. How can life be Tangible if it does Not have mass, nor dimension nor energy? How do you quantify it? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by jaephoenix(m): 1:05pm On Apr 22 |
TenQ:1. I didn't make the example of grief being tangible. MW did. So if you think they are clowns, please shoot them a mail. And please dont tell them you're a Nigerian cos they may assume all Nigerians are retards 2. I get the info that this thread is about spirits, so can you give the qualities of spirit Thank you |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by jaephoenix(m): 1:07pm On Apr 22 |
TenQ:There are other definitions of tangible there including the one that said any entity that can be appraised is tangible, but u ignored it. R u this stupid |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 1:07pm On Apr 22 |
jaephoenix:Just like I don't like the modern definition of Gender, I don't like the modern definition of Atheism. Atheism mean: Without Deity (except you disagree with this definition). Then you may let us have your own preferred definition and let us dissect it. Like I have halped you break down a common misconception that Atheism is Lack of Belief in Any Deity What is your own definition? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 1:10pm On Apr 22 |
jaephoenix:Do you agree that It is a stupid definition (from a real point of view) : it only makes sense as a figure of speech. What can be appraise as tangible:Grief!? How do you measure the grade of tangibility? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 1:11pm On Apr 22 |
jaephoenix:Not until you understand simple things that can be seen and processed! |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 1:15pm On Apr 22 |
jaephoenix: This is why you should concur that you subscribe to the following meaning . "I've told you a million times!" means exactly that I told you 1,000,000 times. "His eyes drank in the beauty of the scene." mean that one can drink with the eyes. "I could eat a horse!" meaning, I could literally eat a full grown horse. "The backpack weighed a ton." meaning that one the weighing scale it's weight was one tonne Same way with Her Grief was tangible! What is the meaning? Then I wiil take it that you know exactly what you are saying |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by StillDtruth: 3:13pm On Apr 22 |
jaephoenix: Stupideen, Did i ask you? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by StillDtruth: 3:44pm On Apr 22 |
triplechoice: Its only a mumu criiminal that does not know that action is an expression of intention which is judged with other extraneos things eg show me your friends and i'll tell you who you are. And the threads shows atheists are your friends. And, you lie to defend yourself, like they do, in further proof you are an atheist. A thief, a murderer, a cheat are all convicted for and by their actions and not for the lies they try to raise as their intentions when caught in their acts. You possess the neural development to understand how a person is validly convicted for their guilty acts and mind which is the reasons why you can convict your girlfriend, wife, houseboy of any wrongdoing but you pretend to forget that the same way you judge and convict others, is the same way that judges and convicts. Action speaks louder than words! |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by StillDtruth: 3:56pm On Apr 22 |
TenQ: Because people are too hungry searching for food and therefore are not acquiring knowledge is why they stupidly thought they had knowledge, whereas, they were being taught to be very stupid. That is why they are very quick to abuse and insalt anyone who dares point out that they are wrong. Inherently, they knew they were stupid, just that they did not know until someone points it out to them. Which is why the next you would.see is that they would start raining abuses and insalts and call their fellows in foolishness to join in the abuse and bullying of the person who dared to correct them. |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by StillDtruth: 3:59pm On Apr 22 |
TenQ: That is why the fool is dodgng! He knows he is cornered and that he cannot lie his way out of this. |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 4:05pm On Apr 22 |
StillDtruth:I asked you BASIC questions: isnt the fool the one who cannot defend his speech when he is asked questions about it? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 4:08pm On Apr 22 |
StillDtruth:I agree with you. They have trusted the Charles Dawkins and co that they don't even bother to ask questions before joining the atheist bandwagon |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by StillDtruth: 4:08pm On Apr 22 |
TenQ: Is this for me, because you did not ask me? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by StillDtruth: 4:12pm On Apr 22 |
TenQ: They never ask questions. Once their white masters speaks they lap it all up like brainless hamsters, stupidly regurgitating what their white master told them, not even stopping to think and to see. Stupid Brainwashed none wits! |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 4:36pm On Apr 22 |
StillDtruth:So sorry, this was not for you. I apologise! |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by StillDtruth: 4:38pm On Apr 22 |
TenQ: No probs. I knew,it couldnt be. 1 Like |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 4:38pm On Apr 22 |
StillDtruth:They think because they read books christians usually would not read, that they are smarter. Their arrogance prevents them from knowing the truth. 1 Like |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by StillDtruth: 4:44pm On Apr 22 |
TenQ: Actually, their love for evil and their hatred for God is what prevents them from immediately seeing that they are been deceived with Lies. John 3:20 describes what happens to people who love evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by budaatum: 5:32pm On Apr 22 |
TenQ: TenQ, I agree with you that A more precise definition would be that Tangible things are anything that has mass or dimension or energy or can change state with time. In fact, Quine, whom I will post at the end, is agreeing with you, and if I tell you a secret, my Lord and I have almost never disagreed and he agrees with you too. LordReed: And just so it's not I'm lying, first person to find otherwise my Lord will make me pay 10k. Just quote link. Unfortunately. There are no precise definition of words, or at least we human beings are not normally intelligent enough or know enough that the definition we give a word is more precise than any other. It's probably why there are so many dictionaries. Everyone writes their own because we do not agree on precision. Personally? I think it is really rather absurd (gibberish, even), to claim one precisely defines any word with very complex and imprecise words like "mass or dimension or energy or can change state with time". These are words that have had so many meanings over the history of time, and that keep evolving, that precision just eludes them completely, just as that of tangible has and does. Anyway, below is Quine. The entire article itself is revealing, and moreso the references. In Quine’s influential Word and Object he speaks about “limning the true and ultimate structure of reality,” (1960, 221) and according to him, for an object to exist is for it to be necessarily quantified over in an idealized and regimented logical language used to truly and comprehensively describe the world. And he claims that the values of the variables of such a theory will only range over sets and physical objects, so “as far as he is concerned … only physical objects and sets really exist,” and, it must be noted, both objects and sets, even if the latter are abstract, are all regarded as ‘things’ or ‘objects’[3] |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by budaatum: 5:40pm On Apr 22 |
TenQ:One thing I never do is post credentials as a reason for knowledge. If I would, the relevant ones to this topic would be B.Eng Electronics and Communications, London. In my days we were 'programming' in COBOL and C and sometimes directly in machine code, so God help you if your one was in the zero's place. I would love my knowledge of philosophy and how to think and reason to hold sway here too. When you program in C/Cpp, Python, you are "touching" it. If you want to debug your program, you will remove it from the machine and "touch" it to do so. So why would you insist we go looking for the software inside the machine despite some of us telling you what we would do? Would you tell us to go look for electricity inside the machine from the machine's point of view also and without using a multimeter? TenQ:And we are saying that you don't impose a point of view on anyone! It's why we keep informing you that we can take the software out of the machine's point of view and place it in our own point of view so we can feel and touch and see it since we don't share senses with a machine and therefore feel and touch things differently. The imposition of a point of view is how religion captivates it's audience. And you ought to by now know that atheists do not allow themselves to be captivated so. Read some of my posts on the Garden of Eden. It's all about a point of view that differs to the generally accepted point of view, which you and I should perhaps discuss in its own right. Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/7351620/story-adam-eve-makes-sense#117003826 |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by triplechoice(m): 6:07pm On Apr 22 |
TenQ:Haba. Calm down. I said I'm not an atheist. You keep ignoring this, why? If you won't explain it ,why are you here? This thread is about spirits not computer softwares. There's no where it's written down that to understand spirit you must know what's a software. You made that up yourself ,and it's a very dishonest way of escaping from doing what you should do. Using your logic,I can also affirm that if you can't comprehend what's oxygen in biology you can't understand what's spirit. Spirit is not intangible as you think. It depends on how it manifest,and there 're different manifestations of spirit. Spirit from a material point of view, simply means energy. If you're not going to discuss spirit,then forget it and thanks for your time and the insults too. You just can't assume that another person can't make sense of what you haven't even started to discuss or explain .I can also assume you don't really know your subject very well hence you're afraid to discuss it so your incompetency is not fully exposed. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by triplechoice(m): 6:13pm On Apr 22 |
TenQ:The irony. |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by triplechoice(m): 6:17pm On Apr 22 |
StillDtruth:And you can't see that you're commiting evil by judging and condemning others. What happens to judgement is for God and thou shall not judge? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by budaatum: 7:19pm On Apr 22 |
triplechoice: Triple, I am an atheist, yet I can agree with the bold depending on context. Say, I were to believe and claim to worship God, but can not be bothered to love my neighbour because my neighbour does not believe what I believe or has a different point of view to mine, it could be said that my belief in God lacks spirit and is therefore intangible. Just throwing it out there that one can worship God in tangible spirit, as by thy fruits suggest.
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