Aemmyjah:



Typical behavior of an atheist
How will I answer that humans are poorly made when he can't confess he's poorly made
He's just seeking attention

Oh, I have answered that question. Please scurry away in shame

jaephoenix:

The topic is poor human design is part of my OP since christians raise that point as evidence of intelligence design. There's is no shifting of post, u dimwit.
I suffer chronic back ache and hemorrhoids due to the poor design as bipeds. So now as per my design, yes, I'm poorly designed. Do u want it in bolds. YES I'M POORLY DESIGNED AND MADE! Which other languages do u want it?

I have already dropped 2 pictures on this thread
Why not modify yourself to be like them
Or do you want to have horns like Mountain goats

FRANCISTOWN:

The word made is a very generous term.
The OP was only trying to let you know that, the possibilities of humans, being designed/made is minimal. He already made himself clear enough when he mentioned that some kids are born with deformed heart and other kinds of sicknesses.

If humans were made. Why would any maker make a human with a deformed heart?

I guess this is what the OP meant: If humans were products of evolution, then humans evolved well. But if humans were products of an intelligent design, then the designer is far from being intelligent .

That part of my post flew over their brains. They cannot comprehend it. Their brains could not understand the grammar there. But what do u expect from theists who can't understand English

jaephoenix:

Lol. Mental illness isnt good at all. It makes irony seem like facts to u. Ogbeni, if you dont know what sarcasm is, get out of my sight. Both u and the person that liked your post. Waste of school fees

See Liar don change mouth again say na sarcasm. You are so delided that you tbink people do not see when you are lying.

The only person you are deceiving is yourself.

Aemmyjah:



You're not serious
The only humans God made is Adam and Eve.
They're like factory machines in producing other humans but this factory machine became defected by going against the maker's standards... Will you ascribe the poorly made copies to the Maker?

Jaephoenix was speaking on general terms... Did he mention babies born with disabilities or the human makeup?

You guys lie to yourself and keep suppressing the truth... You're worst than jihadists

But u guys disturb us that Yahweh created us dont you? Why u dey change mouth?
Yes I said babies are born with disabilities. Is that grammar too difficult to comprehend?

jaephoenix:

Oh, I have answered that question. Please scurry away in shame

Fossil record does not confirm evolution theory

Lemme ask you

When Fossil Ida was discovered, there was a press and it was published on a headline of a popular newspaper that Ida was the missing link
Later, it was discovered Ida is not the missing link, they only put in a paragraph of a science journal

Are they showing any integrity?

StillDtruth:


in the 80's which parent teaches a chid about God and the bible? Is it not "read your book, read your book" everytime?

Not everyone was tortured with mad doctrinations like you catholics

Parents teach their kids bible way before you were born. Please switched on your brain and think for once

jaephoenix:

But u guys disturb us that Yahweh created us dont you? Why u dey change mouth?
Yes I said babies are born with disabilities. Is that grammar too difficult to comprehend?

You said it was your parents that created you... Very sick fellow

Aemmyjah:


OP said humans are poorly made
So if humans are products of evolution, you will tell op that he is wrong and that humans evolved well shey?

Both of you are very blind

Do u even understand evolution? And u said u r a biologist?

jaephoenix:

Parents teach their kids bible way before you were born. Please switched on your brain and think for once

Parents instill knowledge and religious values into their young ones like like teaching them to Carry out home chores, languages...
Whether Christian, Muslim or idol worshipper, it's a natural thing to instill religious values in children as it can help them morally
So rest

jaephoenix:

Do u even understand evolution? And u said u r a biologist?

Ask LordReed or SIRtee15 or francistown which of them believe they're poorly made

FRANCISTOWN:

The word made is a very generous term.
The OP was only trying to let you know that, the possibilities of humans, being designed/made is minimal. He already made himself clear enough when he mentioned that some kids are born with deformed heart and other kinds of sicknesses.

If humans were made. Why would any maker make a human with a deformed heart?

I guess this is what the OP meant: If humans were products of evolution, then humans evolved well. But if humans were products of an intelligent design, then the designer is far from being intelligent.

See how atheists reason!

So Toyota stopped being intelligent when their Camrys were defective? Or you stopped being intelligent because your work was defective?

If toyota refuses to recall its camry because of defects, is the reasonable thing not to ask them why?

A clear proof that atheists are the most unreasonable people in the world

jaephoenix:

Do u even understand evolution? And u said u r a biologist?

No
I'm a med who believe that labor in women is easy 😎

SIRTee15:


This topic is another strawman argument typical of nairaland atheist.
Once they are bored, they come online to create a topic never claimed or debated by Christians.
This is one reason I respect Muslims here, at least those ones will ask questions regarding your belief b4 creating topic.

But the I too know atheists will instead choose a topic of fancy, then claim it's a Christian belief and start constituting nuisance with it.

FYI, the miracle of Christianity is not the bible, the miracle of Christianity is the resurrection. Our faith and belief is hinged on the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Without resurrection, there will be no christianity.
The day U guys prove the resurrection of Jesus never happened is the day Christian becomes false.
Until then, U guys are simply wasting your time, your claims means nothing.

Of course we will debate U for the fun of it or for academic reason but it changes nothing for us.

For example re this topic, no Christian ever took the bible creation story literally. Few heretic ones claiming creation science have been rejected by mainstream Christians and debunked.

No Christian has ever made a claim God created the earth within 144 hours. None.
So U coming here and challenging Christians to debate something they don't regard as literal makes no sense.
It's just another strawman fallacy this op is known for...

1. Yes, yours Christian fundamentals claim the universe was made in 7 days by Yahweh. If you doubt me, I'll show you both online and offline evidence. Mainstream Christianity believe in the 7 day creation story. In fact, go to your church, take a pool and ask your fellow chrissies if they actually believed the story of the creation literally ,then show us the poll. I can bet u 99% would say yes. So please take your beef out with them

2. I can show you screenshot of the Christian that challenged me to do the thread. His name is Emusan. Check his profile and his posts and you'll see it. And u owe me an apology for insinuating otherwise

3. Christians choose any topic about atheists and masturbate on it all day long, without asking atheists their beliefs. Did you bother yourself about that? No. So even if that's what I did, suck it up, cos u guys do it too

4. He who alleges, must provide proof. If u insist Jesus resurrected, please show proof. All the proofs provided has been shown to be lies, serious barefaced lies. From the handkerchief in Turin to the supposed spear. All lies

jaephoenix:

Parents teach their kids bible way before you were born. Please switched on your brain and think for once

See Liar from Ps 3.generation, yet you were claiming above 40 years and yet here you are talking stupidly,

Obviously, lying has become a sport for you and oneday, you.will lie yourself into torn torsos.

Aemmyjah:


Before God said, let there be light, there was no material universe?

Please show where it is in the bible or shut up ur dirty latrine

Aemmyjah:



I have already dropped 2 pictures on this thread
Why not modify yourself to be like them
Or do you want to have horns like Mountain goats

Why would I change my appearance to that? Did I tell you I have mental issues?

Aemmyjah:



Fossil record does not confirm evolution theory

Lemme ask you

When Fossil Ida was discovered, there was a press and it was published on a headline of a popular newspaper that Ida was the missing link
Later, it was discovered Ida is not the missing link, they only put in a paragraph of a science journal

Are they showing any integrity?

Yes, fossils confirm evolution.
Who confirmed Fossil Ida as missing links? Scientists. Who debunked fossil Ida as missing link? Scientists. What does it tell you? Science always looks out for verifiable truth. If there is an element of doubt, it is eschewed. Thats why theories are debunked after decades and better theories put up. Scientists have been making discoveries and more and more fossils have backed evolution. If there are fossils that debunk evolution, they'll debunk and eschew evolution just like they debunked Fossil Ida as missing link

Aemmyjah:



You said it was your parents that created you... Very sick fellow

Yup. But u guys said its Yahweh. Why are u confusing the thunder that wants to strike you

Aemmyjah:


Parents instill knowledge and religious values into their young ones like like teaching them to Carry out home chores, languages...
Whether Christian, Muslim or idol worshipper, it's a natural thing to instill religious values in children as it can help them morally
So rest

Read closely .I was responding to ur fellow cretard who said parents don't teach their children Bible during the 80s. Madmen

Aemmyjah:



Ask LordReed or SIRtee15 or francistown which of them believe they're poorly made

And if they agree they are poorly made, u would ask all the atheists on Nairaland the same question.
Stupido, u asked me if I'm poorly made, and I replied u. Stop making yourself look foolish further

StillDtruth:


See how atheists reason!

So Toyota stopped being intelligent when their Camrys were defective? Or you stopped being intelligent because your work was defective?

If toyota refuses to recall its camry because of defects, is the reasonable thing not to ask them why?

A clear proof that atheists are the most unreasonable people in the world

Lol. So Toyota, made by humans is equivalent to Yahweh, the all powerful dicksucker? That's interesting

jaephoenix:


Lol. So Toyota, made by humans is equivalent to Yahweh, the all powerful dicksucker? That's interesting

See proof that atheists are devils and children of satan who have nothing to say but to speak lies and insalt God as prophecied

Where every normal person gets the value and purpose of an example but because an atheist cannot answer, he resorts to abusing God, as i said at the begining of this thread that the atheists must do when challenged

jaephoenix:
The Bible is a book adored by Christians. It has been found to contain a lot of errors, lies and contradictions and thus not a reliable book. I made a thread about it here, in case ya'll wanna check it out and debate on the points there. Unfortunately for Christians, the gaffess were so many, and they could not come up with any defenses.
But in this thread, I'm gonna concentrate on the creation story, cos a Christian challenged me to(Just like another christian challenged me to open a thread about the bible errors and in the end he never gave any defenses). The errors are so much that I have to take them in parts. So this is only Part 1

What are the factual errors in the Genesis creation account?
There are several errors, since it’s a creation myth based on the knowledge, superstitions and misconceptions of the people who wrote it, just like any other creation myth. Let’s consider just some of them:

Okay! Fire on!

jaephoenix:

1. Duration time for the creation. This is the first considerable problem. Genesis says that, from the early stages of the earth’s formation to the dawn of man, only six days passed, which is obviously wrong. We know this whole process took about 4 billion years. Many apologists try to solve this crude mistake by declaring that the word “day” has a more vague meaning, such as six general divisions of time. We don’t know this, however, and the whole context of the story seems closer to 24 hour days (for example, we constantly read “And the evening and the morning were the first day.”).

Day does not mean solar 24 Hours because if you note, the sun did not appear till the FOURTH day

jaephoenix:

2. The order of creation days. The order in which the creation events happened in the bible and the true geological and biological evolution of the earth are completely different. Some examples follow:

a. In Genesis 1:7 it says God divided the waters above and under the firmament. The only logical way to interpret this “firmament” or “heavens”, is the atmosphere, where water in vapour form is stored and eventually falls as rain. If this was done in a subsequent stage of the earth’s formation (day two), we would expect that the amount of water vapour in the atmosphere should increase over time. We however know that the exact opposite happened, as carbon dioxide and water vapour were partly replaced by oxygen.

1. The whole earth was covered with water.
2. There was creation of the firmament (lower atmosphere) from the water. (There was no exact details about if some of the waters escaped through the upper atmosphere)
3. Then there was separation of the land from the remaining water

The Bible is not a scientific Book, thus no one can say the details of what happened with carbon dioxide and water vapour were partly replaced by oxygen.

NOTE: The earth was created from the Beginning of time but somehow, Gen 1:2 opened with the fact that the earth was destroyed (The Earth without Form and Void and covered with water). Therefore, most of CO2 or O2 or any other molecules were probably already present.

jaephoenix:

b. In Genesis 1:11 it suggests that plants were the first form of life to appear, what is obviously wrong. It also suggests that plants and animals appeared in different times, what we know not to be true. Last, if compared to Genesis 1:16–18, it indicates that plants came before the sun, which would be impossible since sunlight is a fundamental ingredient to the process of photosynthesis, which is how plants produce their food.

Light was the First thing God made in the re-creation of the earth even before the creation of the earth sir.
Even if Plants needed Light, this would suffice. Nevertheless, the God who created plants can sustain them before the creation of the sun. Do plants die immediately if they do not receive sun rays?

jaephoenix:

c. In Genesis 1:16–18, as discussed before, the sun comes only after the plants appeared on the planet, which is obviously absurd. Some apologists try to save this by alleging that the sun already existed but wasn’t visible until the fourth day, since the earth’s atmosphere was thicker. First of all, the atmosphere was already transparent enough to see the sun when the first plants appeared in the planet. Moreover, the organisms from which plants evolved had already “invented” the process of photosynthesis and hence needed a substantial amount of sunlight. Finally, there are several studies who show how a plant’s growth is deeply affected by an increased period of cloudy days, and so it’s absurd to suppose that big trees and others could have appeared in a time of thick atmosphere, where the portion of light entering the planet was so weak that the sun wasn’t even visible.

This had been trated above.

jaephoenix:

d. Genesis 1:20 and 24 suggests that flying animals came before land animals, which is just wrong due to the fossil and DNA knowledge we have.

Note: Verse 20 says both land and Flying animals were created. Verse 24 expands on verse 20.
Moreover everything happened on day 5.

jaephoenix:

3. Magical elements. Some apologists argue that the creation myth in Genesis has a special status, since it’s much more “sober” in terms of reality than the creation myths of other religions. First of all, what matters is the truth. To construct a fable with elements closer to reality doesn’t change the fact that it is a fable. Secondly, the fact that the Genesis account seems less mesmerizing than others is just because the israelites followed monotheism (or at least monolatrism), and hence their creation story was devoid of the many struggles between gods that commonly take place at the beginning of other myths. Finally, it’s important to remember that there are many magical elements surrounding the Genesis story: the book of Revelations talks about a war in heaven between a dragon and his hosts and an angel and his hosts; Genesis itself, just a few pages afterwards, talks about talking serpents, magic fruits and a universal flood that occured just because God was in a bad mood with humanity

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All Your questions have been answered:
You can Reason your Way to God or Choose to Stay Blind
1. An Infinite regress of Cause and Effect is Logically Impossible
2. Our Physical Universe has a beginning at about 13.8 Billion years ago. Time , Space and matter appeared simultaneously with this beginning
3. Whatever Caused the Universe to change from its state of Singularity to this universe must be outside our universe
4. Whatever caused the Universe must not be subject to the Energies and the Laws that Govern this Universe: Such must not obey the laws of Physics and Chemistry because the laws of Physics and Chemistry did not exist until after the big bang/inflation
5. The Cause of the Universe must be Uncaused because infinite regress of Cause and effect is Logically impossible.
6. Because Intelligence in Animals and Men cannot happen out of chaos, the Cause of Life must also be Intelligent and he has His purpose for creating the Universe.
7. The Cause of the Universe can therefore be called the Uncaused-First-Cause of Everything. As Christians we know His name as Yahweh and people just call Him God.

jaephoenix:

And if they agree they are poorly made, u would ask all the atheists on Nairaland the same question.
Stupido, u asked me if I'm poorly made, and I replied u. Stop making yourself look foolish further

So far
You said you're a descendant of ape
Your purpose is to live for self
Labor in women is easy
We are in the world for no reason
Humans are poorly made
The Brain is poorly made


You're foolishly will sink the Titanic

jaephoenix:

Yes, fossils confirm evolution.
Who confirmed Fossil Ida as missing links? Scientists. Who debunked fossil Ida as missing link? Scientists. What does it tell you? Science always looks out for verifiable truth. If there is an element of doubt, it is eschewed. Thats why theories are debunked after decades and better theories put up. Scientists have been making discoveries and more and more fossils have backed evolution. If there are fossils that debunk evolution, they'll debunk and eschew evolution just like they debunked Fossil Ida as missing link

Confirming something and still debunking same thing
Just de play

jaephoenix:

And if they agree they are poorly made, u would ask all the atheists on Nairaland the same question.
Stupido, u asked me if I'm poorly made, and I replied u. Stop making yourself look foolish further

Kindly tag someone else among your atheists friends that is poorly made

Aemmyjah:

Kindly tag someone else among your atheists friends that is poorly made

THE TRUTH

Jehovah created humans in his image {Genesis 1:26} as the greatest teacher Jehovah taught Jesus to become productive therefore humans are always trying to teach/impact in others what we know. Of all the creatures on this planet only humans have tamed other creatures teaching them how to do things differently from the way they naturally does.

So don't be surprised that even an atheist wants to impact in others what he thought he knows but then instead of arguing with him on the topic he raises let him tell you the benefit of what he's trying to impact for instance if all the people around him are doing things the way he feels/thinks how will it benefit everyone? And since he's so sure of what he has how many has he impacted the knowledge or ideas in their hearts so we can observe them to see the benefits?

That is when you will discover that atheists are completely empty because in that aspect they are just unproductive yet they want to impact in others what they feel they know!

jaephoenix:

And if they agree they are poorly made, u would ask all the atheists on Nairaland the same question.
Stupido, u asked me if I'm poorly made, and I replied u. Stop making yourself look foolish further

You mentioned my name expecting me to join in what is fruitless/unproductive i told you why i'm not interested then you paste the below drawing instead of imagining me in the midst of millions working together to make the world a better place you assumed i'm alone flying.
Is that not hilarious?
Well try to see me in the midst of millions who are working as one family and BENEFITING themselves!

jaephoenix:

So Yahweh also changed the fossils to negate his creation? Sometimes u christians amaze me with your thought process and logical reasoning.
I told you that the Bible said birds came before land animals, and that it is wrong scientifically since fossil records suggest the opposite, showing the bible lied, then u jumped into the 'god is god' ship, without even wasting a second on my post.
Wonderfully and fearfully made, are you lots, indeed

When it comes to creation story I'm of a particular school of thought, even if I did explain it to you, you'll not understand.


You're quick to say the bible lied. What if fossil records are wrong.

jaephoenix:
2. I can show you screenshot of the Christian that challenged me to do the thread. His name is Emusan. Check his profile and his posts and you'll see it. And u owe me an apology for insinuating otherwise

Do you know what challenge mean?

This is the second time you've been saying this but because I couldn't address your thread and the post yesterday, you made this statement again.

What I said was that you can create any topics of yours on this forum and tag people and even people you didn't tag will still respond.

Lack of simple comprehension is at play here or because you're too curious to deviate from that thread.

jaephoenix:
The Bible is a book adored by Christians. It has been found to contain a lot of errors, lies and contradictions and thus not a reliable book. I made a thread about it here, in case ya'll wanna check it out and debate on the points there. Unfortunately for Christians, the gaffess were so many, and they could not come up with any defenses.
But in this thread, I'm gonna concentrate on the creation story, cos a Christian challenged me to(Just like another christian challenged me to open a thread about the bible errors and in the end he never gave any defenses). The errors are so much that I have to take them in parts. So this is only Part 1

What are the factual errors in the Genesis creation account?
There are several errors, since it’s a creation myth based on the knowledge, superstitions and misconceptions of the people who wrote it, just like any other creation myth. Let’s consider just some of them:

You started the thread with a strawman argument.

Even though I've done this more than 10years ago on this forum I'll just try to summarise my point because I don't have time for a lengthy post.

1. Duration time for the creation. This is the first considerable problem. Genesis says that, from the early stages of the earth’s formation to the dawn of man, only six days passed, which is obviously wrong. We know this whole process took about 4 billion years.

You don't know stop lying, you believe it's 4Billiion years.

Many apologists try to solve this crude mistake by declaring that the word “day” has a more vague meaning, such as six general divisions of time. We don’t know this, however, and the whole context of the story seems closer to 24 hour days (for example, we constantly read “And the evening and the morning were the first day.”).

The Creator is a witness to His own creation and He's the one says He did it in just 6 days and model the time for man to used.

Even 100Billions years can't produce a design model out of chaos.

2. The order of creation days. The order in which the creation events happened in the bible and the true geological and biological evolution of the earth are completely different. Some examples follow:

You can't expect Creation to be the same as what follows after.

Creation came with supernatural events.

For instance the creation of the first man came as a FULL GROWN HUMAN not as a baby yet the way the Creator program Baby to form and develop is different.

a. In Genesis 1:7 it says God divided the waters above and under the firmament. The only logical way to interpret this “firmament” or “heavens”, is the atmosphere, where water in vapour form is stored and eventually falls as rain. If this was done in a subsequent stage of the earth’s formation (day two), we would expect that the amount of water vapour in the atmosphere should increase over time. We however know that the exact opposite happened, as carbon dioxide and water vapour were partly replaced by oxygen.

You came up with your own insertion not what Bible says.

b. In Genesis 1:11 it suggests that plants were the first form of life to appear, what is obviously wrong. It also suggests that plants and animals appeared in different times, what we know not to be true. Last, if compared to Genesis 1:16–18, it indicates that plants came before the sun, which would be impossible since sunlight is a fundamental ingredient to the process of photosynthesis, which is how plants produce their food.

If we should go by six days of creation.

Plants can survive weeks or even months without Sun.

So, few days between plants and sun isn't an issue here.

c. In Genesis 1:16–18, as discussed before, the sun comes only after the plants appeared on the planet, which is obviously absurd. Some apologists try to save this by alleging that the sun already existed but wasn’t visible until the fourth day, since the earth’s atmosphere was thicker. First of all, the atmosphere was already transparent enough to see the sun when the first plants appeared in the planet. Moreover, the organisms from which plants evolved had already “invented” the process of photosynthesis and hence needed a substantial amount of sunlight. Finally, there are several studies who show how a plant’s growth is deeply affected by an increased period of cloudy days, and so it’s absurd to suppose that big trees and others could have appeared in a time of thick atmosphere, where the portion of light entering the planet was so weak that the sun wasn’t even visible.

No issue here as stated above.

d. Genesis 1:20 and 24 suggests that flying animals came before land animals, which is just wrong due to the fossil and DNA knowledge we have.

How many Fossil and DNA do you have from YOUR 4 BILLIONS AGO?

which Land Animal first appear and which flying animal first appear?

3. Magical elements. Some apologists argue that the creation myth in Genesis has a special status, since it’s much more “sober” in terms of reality than the creation myths of other religions. First of all, what matters is the truth. To construct a fable with elements closer to reality doesn’t change the fact that it is a fable. Secondly, the fact that the Genesis account seems less mesmerizing than others is just because the israelites followed monotheism (or at least monolatrism), and hence their creation story was devoid of the many struggles between gods that commonly take place at the beginning of other myths. Finally, it’s important to remember that there are many magical elements surrounding the Genesis story: the book of Revelations talks about a war in heaven between a dragon and his hosts and an angel and his hosts; Genesis itself, just a few pages afterwards, talks about talking serpents, magic fruits and a universal flood that occured just because God was in a bad mood with humanity

I don't see how this relates to the other part of the thread.

Miracle exists with God and the creation itself is miracle.

So, do you think God who created human with speech can't make snake or any animal talk?