gohf:
you are going through a period and a phrase in your spiritual growth if you stop it you may later regret it.

Prioritize those secular things that are NEEDED only and forget the rest that consume time and can be done later.


You don't need to switch between the two, you need to grow fully into God and then walk into the world a new being.

The world can wait. Jesus called a man and he gave an excuse, JESUS didn't say I will wait, infact Jesus response seemed harshed like when the rich man asked what more he needed to do and Jesus didn't stop him from leaving. Jesus said let the dead bury their dead, and you know burial is treated as extremely important but yet, Jesus said anyone who looks back isn't fit for the kingdom of God.


AS LONG AS IT'S THE HOLY SPIRIT LEADING YOU, FOLLOW. It's a process, it's a phrase.

Thanks

Michael547:

Please identify what the spirit of man is in Genesis 2:7.

Gen 2:7 never talks about SPIRIT OF MAN but the breath of life

Spirit of man not equate LIFE FORCE.

Do animals have spirit?

Yes!

If yes, do their spirit differ from that of men?

Yes! God DIRECTLY created Man in His OWN IMAGE and put His Spirit in man.

Animals were created by command.

You can proof me wrong by providing where God PUT HIS SPIRIT IN ANIMALS.

You have no proof that the spirit and soul does not 'need' to go to heaven before going to hell since you've agreed that all spirit and soul must return to God who lives in heaven. It's just your personal opinion.
If you don't agree then Which location do the spirit and soul return to God before going to either heaven or hell fire?

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The fact that the SPIRIT RETURNED TO GOD is the proof.

That shows that it's only God who has the final say on where the Spirit will be temporarily.

Don't dodge this my question again:

Now, that means both the evil and righteous people SPIRIT will return to God. Right?

Emusan:


Gen 2:7 never talks about SPIRIT OF MAN but the breath of life

Spirit of man not equate LIFE FORCE.



Yes!



Yes! God DIRECTLY created Man in His OWN IMAGE and put His Spirit in man.

Animals were created by command.

You can proof me wrong by providing where God PUT HIS SPIRIT IN ANIMALS.




The fact that the SPIRIT RETURNED TO GOD is the proof.

That shows that it's only God who has the final say on where the Spirit will be temporarily.

Don't dodge this my question again:

Now, that means both the evil and righteous people SPIRIT will return to God. Right?

Which other bible verse shows that God created man and put 'His Spirit' in man that is different from the 'breath of life' in Genesis 2:7?

If you say the spirit of man and Animal is different, explain Ecclesiastics 3:19 in the screenshot below.




Oga you are giving an interpretation of spirit and soul returning back to God in Ecclesiastics 12:7 according to your personal opinion.
If you said and agreed that both spirit and soul of good and bad people return to God who lives in heaven, why are you trying to twist the meaning According to your opinion that some soul and spirit do not need to get to God in heaven before going to hell fire?
Where are you getting this interpretation from?

Address this point first before you continue with your post.

Now, that means both the evil and righteous people SPIRIT will return to God. Right?

How many times will I tell you this?

Michael547:

Which other bible verse shows that God created man and put 'His Spirit' in man that is different from the 'breath of life' in Genesis 2:7?

If you say the spirit of man and Animal is different, explain Ecclesiastics 3:19 in the screenshot below.




Oga you are giving an interpretation of spirit and soul returning back to God in Ecclesiastics 12:7 according to your personal opinion.
If you said and agreed that both spirit and soul of good and bad people return to God who lives in heaven, why are you trying to twist the meaning According to your opinion that some soul and spirit do not need to get to God in heaven before going to hell fire?
Where are you getting this interpretation from?

gohf:
you are going through a period and a phrase in your spiritual growth if you stop it you may later regret it.

Prioritize those secular things that are NEEDED only and forget the rest that consume time and can be done later.


You don't need to switch between the two, you need to grow fully into God and then walk into the world a new being.

The world can wait. Jesus called a man and he gave an excuse, JESUS didn't say I will wait, infact Jesus response seemed harshed like when the rich man asked what more he needed to do and Jesus didn't stop him from leaving. Jesus said let the dead bury their dead, and you know burial is treated as extremely important but yet, Jesus said anyone who looks back isn't fit for the kingdom of God.


AS LONG AS IT'S THE HOLY SPIRIT LEADING YOU, FOLLOW. It's a process, it's a phrase.

thank you for this. Op, don't try to stop or slow down the process. Let me tell my own case. I was fervent for God. I was full of God that other area were affected. I was working then but other areas of never seem to improve. I really want a improve in my finance but God was building me for something great. Things was like this I told myself I want to SLOW DOWN a little bit. That was how I start regressing in spiritual things. That was my down fall. And up until this moment I have never fully recovered from that fall. As I am writing this am still regretting. If only I didn't slow down. Op pls what you are doing is best. Don't slow down or stop. God is building you for something great

Emusan:
Address this point first before you continue with your post.

Now, that means both the evil and righteous people SPIRIT will return to God. Right?

How many times will I tell you this?

😁😁😁.....I agree that all 'spirit' of good and bad people returns to God who lives 'in heaven' as Ecclesiastics 12:7 shows.
Oya answer my questions before we proceed.

So Why are you saying that some spirit and soul do not return to God 'in heaven' before going to hell fire?


Which other bible verse shows that God created man and put 'His Spirit' in man that is different from the 'breath of life' in Genesis 2:7?

If you say the spirit of man and Animal is different, explain Ecclesiastics 3:19 in the screenshot below?

Michael547:

😁😁😁.....I agree that all 'spirit' of good and bad people returns to God who lives 'in heaven' as Ecclesiastics 12:7 shows.

Now, it's established that SOMETHING ACTUALLY SURVIVED after man's death!

So, why do you agree with watchtower that claimed nothing survived man after death?

Oya answer my questions before we proceed.

So Why are you saying that some spirit and soul do not return to God 'in heaven' before going to hell fire?

I never said that, stop lying.

I said THE SPIRIT RETURNED TO GOD.

Which other bible verse shows that God created man and put 'His Spirit' in man that is different from the 'breath of life' in Genesis 2:7?

Job 32:8

If you say the spirit of man and Animal is different, explain Ecclesiastics 3:19 in the screenshot below?

Eccl 3:19 is about BREATH both in Man and Animals.

Even though some translations used SPIRIT but the best rendition would be BREATH.

"For people and animals share the same fate—both breathe[a] and both must die. So people have no real advantage over the animals. How meaningless!"

Emusan:


Now, it's established that SOMETHING ACTUALLY SURVIVED after man's death!

So, why do you agree with watchtower that claimed nothing survived man after death?



I never said that, stop lying.

I said THE SPIRIT RETURNED TO GOD.



Job 32:8



Eccl 3:19 is about BREATH both in Man and Animals.

Even though some translations used SPIRIT but the best rendition would be BREATH.

"For people and animals share the same fate—both breathe[a] and both must die. So people have no real advantage over the animals. How meaningless!"

Watchtower never said that spirit don't leave the body when a person dies. We have said that the spirit in man is the same as 'the breath of life' in Genesis 2:7. The spirit is not the person as shown in Psalms 146:4 in the screenshot below.

Where does Job 32:8 shows that the spirit in man is different from the breath of God in that same verse?

You are a liar. You've said here that spirit and soul that goes to hell don't 'need' to go to God 'in heaven' before going to hell fire. And I have asked you where you got that interpretation from?


You are a fraud to say that versions that uses spirit in Ecclesiastics 3:19 is wrong. What is the Hebrew word for spirit? Explain why different versions use spirit and breath in Psalms 146:4 in the screenshot below?

Michael547:
Watchtower never said that spirit don't leave the body when a person dies.

Watchtower said NOTHING SURVIVED after man's death.

But it's evident that SPIRIT RETURNED TO GOD.

That is false teaching.

We have said that the spirit in man is the same as 'the breath of life' in Genesis 2:7. The spirit is not the person as shown in Psalms 146:4 in the screenshot below.

Pure lie!

Breath of life is not THE SPIRIT IN MAN

Psalm 146:4 you quoted never said SPIRIT isn't person.

In fact, going by your own acceptance of Eccl 12:7, it means Psalm 146:4 is contradiction.

This shows that, Breath of Life goes down but The SPIRIT OF MAN GOES BACK TO GOD WHO GAVE IT.

Where does Job 32:8 shows that the spirit in man is different from the breath of God in that same verse?

It's there, check your usual Biblehub for the interlinear and see two different words were used.

The SPIRIT IS DIFFERENTIATED from the Breath of life.
"But there is a spirit[a] within people, the breath of the Almighty within them, that makes them intelligent." - Job 32:8

Also, 1 Cor 2:11 shows that the SPIRIT OF MAN has ability to KNOW. Only a person can do that.

You are a liar. You've said here that spirit and soul that goes to hell don't 'need' to go to God 'in heaven' before going to hell fire. And I have asked you where you got that interpretation from?

You see why I do say you people lack simple comprehension.

You said I'm a liar but it's evident that you're the liar here.

This was your previous statement "So Why are you saying that some spirit and soul do not RETURN to God 'in heaven' before going to hell fire?

Compare this with your statement above, which shows you deliberately lied against me.

I was the one who cited Eccl 12:7, so why will you lie that I said some Spirit and Soul DO NOT RETURN TO GOD?

You are a fraud to say that versions that uses spirit in Ecclesiastics 3:19 is wrong. What is the Hebrew word for spirit? Explain why different versions use spirit and breath in Psalms 146:4 in the screenshot below?

It's like you just learn that word FRAUD.

Did I say they are wrong?

I said THE BEST RENDITION would have been 'BREATH' for people like who mistaken it for SPIRIT OF MAN L, and I went further to provide a translation that used 'BREATH'.

Definitely you're lost on this subject matter!

delkuf:
thank you for this. Op, don't try to stop or slow down the process. Let me tell my own case. I was fervent for God. I was full of God that other area were affected. I was working then but other areas of never seem to improve. I really want a improve in my finance but God was building me for something great. Things was like this I told myself I want to SLOW DOWN a little bit. That was how I start regressing in spiritual things. That was my down fall. And up until this moment I have never fully recovered from that fall. As I am writing this am still regretting. If only I didn't slow down. Op pls what you are doing is best. Don't slow down or stop. God is building you for something great

Your experience is well noted.. thanks

Emusan:


Watchtower said NOTHING SURVIVED after man's death.

But it's evident that SPIRIT RETURNED TO GOD.

That is false teaching.



Pure lie!

Breath of life is not THE SPIRIT IN MAN

Psalm 146:4 you quoted never said SPIRIT isn't person.

In fact, going by your own acceptance of Eccl 12:7, it means Psalm 146:4 is contradiction.

This shows that, Breath of Life goes down but The SPIRIT OF MAN GOES BACK TO GOD WHO GAVE IT.



It's there, check your usual Biblehub for the interlinear and see two different words were used.

The SPIRIT IS DIFFERENTIATED from the Breath of life.
"But there is a spirit[a] within people, the breath of the Almighty within them, that makes them intelligent." - Job 32:8

Also, 1 Cor 2:11 shows that the SPIRIT OF MAN has ability to KNOW. Only a person can do that.



You see why I do say you people lack simple comprehension.

You said I'm a liar but it's evident that you're the liar here.

This was your previous statement "So Why are you saying that some spirit and soul do not RETURN to God 'in heaven' before going to hell fire?

Compare this with your statement above, which shows you deliberately lied against me.

I was the one who cited Eccl 12:7, so why will you lie that I said some Spirit and Soul DO NOT RETURN TO GOD?



It's like you just learn that word FRAUD.

Did I say they are wrong?

I said THE BEST RENDITION would have been 'BREATH' for people like who mistaken it for SPIRIT OF MAN L, and I went further to provide a translation that used 'BREATH'.

Definitely you're lost on this subject matter!

😁😁😁...but you agree that Psalms 146:4 says that 'spirit' is also 'breath' according to other versions abi? So the breath is now the person😁😁 according to you? So why are you having an issue with Ecclesiastics 3:19

Job 32:8 clearly shows that the spirit within people is the 'breath' of the Almighty God as stated in Genesis 2:7 that was given to Adam.

Oga we've agreed that all spirit returns to God...why are you now denying that spirits that go to God in heaven don't get into heaven before going to hell....that is the problem i have with you. Where did you get that interpretation from?

At the bolded....you are a fraud once again....who are you to determine what the best rendition is in Ecclesiastics 3:19? Are you saying that versions that use 'breath' in Psalms 146:4 are also wrong?
Just because you want to twist the truth, you are bringing an argument of best rendition.

Michael547:


😁😁😁...but you agree that Psalms 146:4 says that 'spirit' is also 'breath' according to other versions abi? So the breath is now the person😁😁 according to you? So why are you having an issue with Ecclesiastics 3:19

Job 32:8 clearly shows that the spirit within people is the 'breath' of the Almighty God as stated in Genesis 2:7 to was given to Adam.

Oga we've agreed that all spirit returns to God...why are you now denying that spirits that go to God in heaven don't get into heaven before going to hell....that is the problem i have with you. Where did you get that interpretation from?

At the bolded....you are a fraud once again....who are you to determine what the best rendition in Ecclesiastics 3:19? Are you saying that versions that use 'breath' in Psalms 146:4 are also wrong?
Just because you want to twist the truth, you are bringing an argument of best rendition.

Don't mind that boy
He loves our attention
Craves it sef

Here is my point you dodged.

Watchtower said NOTHING SURVIVED after man's death.

But it's evident that SPIRIT RETURNED TO GOD.

That is false teaching.


If you're not a fraud you won't leave any point unaddressed.

Michael547:
😁😁😁...but you agree that Psalms 146:4 says that 'spirit' is also 'breath' according to other versions abi?

No! Read my post again, this time slowly.

So the breath is now the person😁😁 according to you?

Breath is different from Spirit in Man. That's my point and Spirit in man According to 1 Corin 2:11 has ABILITY TO KNOW.

Which means it's a PERSON because only a PERSON can KNOW, true or false?

So why are you having an issue with Ecclesiastics 3:19

I don't have issue with Eccl 3:19 the point there is that, it was BREATH that was used Not SPIRIT.

Do you get it?

Job 32:8 clearly shows that the spirit within people is the 'breath' of the Almighty God as stated in Genesis 2:7 that was given to Adam.

No! Job 32:8 clearly shows there's different between the Spirit in Man and Breath that was the reason the two Hebrew words used are different in that verse.

Oga we've agreed that all spirit returns to God...why are you now denying that spirits that go to God in heaven don't get into heaven before going to hell....that is the problem i have with you. Where did you get that interpretation from?

At the bolded....you are a fraud once again....who are you to determine what the best rendition is in Ecclesiastics 3:19?

That is because you lack understanding of the scriptures.

Check your Biblehub to know how the Hebrew words were used, I can't spoonfeed you on that

Are you saying that versions that use 'breath' in Psalms 146:4 are also wrong?

Already answered!

Stop going back.

Just because you want to twist the truth, you are bringing an argument of best rendition.

The twister of the truth is you who claimed you agree with Eccl 12:7 yet still believe nothing survived man after death.

You're a fraud and twister for AGREEING WITH WATCHTOWER that NOTHING SURVIVED man AFTER DEATH.

Emusan:
Here is my point you dodged.

Watchtower said NOTHING SURVIVED after man's death.

But it's evident that SPIRIT RETURNED TO GOD.

That is false teaching.


If you're not a fraud you won't leave any point unaddressed.





No! Read my post again, this time slowly.



Breath is different from Spirit in Man. That's my point and Spirit in man According to 1 Corin 2:11 has ABILITY TO KNOW.

Which means it's a PERSON because only a PERSON can KNOW, true or false?



I don't have issue with Eccl 3:19 the point there is that, it was BREATH that was used Not SPIRIT.

Do you get it?



No! Job 32:8 clearly shows there's different between the Spirit in Man and Breath that was the reason the two Hebrew words used are different in that verse.

Oga we've agreed that all spirit returns to God...why are you now denying that spirits that go to God in heaven don't get into heaven before going to hell....that is the problem i have with you. Where did you get that interpretation from?



That is because you lack understanding of the scriptures.

Check your Biblehub to know how the Hebrew words were used, I can't spoonfeed you on that



Already answered!

Stop going back.



The twister of the truth is you who claimed you agree with Eccl 12:7 yet still believe nothing survived man after death.

You're a fraud and twister for AGREEING WITH WATCHTOWER that NOTHING SURVIVED man AFTER DEATH.

Below in the screenshot is your homework of the meaning of 'spirit' in Ecclesiastics 12:7, Job 32:8, Psalms 146:4. You can see Clearly that they have the same meaning with 'BREATH' in Ecclesiastics 3:19.

I hope you can see why BREATH in Ecclesiastics 3:19 is Correctly rendered as 'Spirit' in other translations And why Spirit in Psalms 146:4 is also correctly rendered BREATH in other translations because they have the same meaning.


I'm done with this discussion with you.
Have a nice day.

Please use this period very well, you will not always have the time to do this again.

Its a season of promotion and it is demanding time and a lot from you.

Stay with it. THIS SEASON MAY NOT COME AGAIN FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

PeterObi4Presid:
Please, this call for opinion/advise is strictly directed to people in the Lord who have been in my shoes, and who are genuinely on fire for God , not to some random nominal Christians who aren't sure of their standing with God or some argumentator who only get validation from likes. Thanks for understanding.


Now, since I gave my life to God, a lot has changed about my life...tangible radical changes.
One of those changes is in that most times or when I go on fasting spree, I find it hard to combine spiritual exercise and my secular interest that are also important

We all know we have to work to feed. And we also have to explore our interests, but in my case, my fervency for spiritual things almost always takes my mind off other things in such that I can't concentrate on them as I would wish, as spiritual matters takes up my mind the more.
Many times I feel guilty that it sort of makes me procrastinate on personal interest I am working on as I spend my concentration on reading Bible, trying to memorize verses, fasting and praying...And as we also know, fasting takes away strength and inclines one more to spiritual things more than secular personal matters...

How do I strike a balance and still continue to burn for God?
Sincerely, my love for God increases and being fervent brings inner joy and more revelation, but anytime I occupy my mind with my secular pursuit for maybe a week, i notice i feel less connected to God and lose my peace and physical touches of the spirit.....I dont know what i am missing, i truly desire wisdom in this matter....cos i do also have career interest that needs deep attention and full cognition....
I will appreciate sincere reply by true men or sons of God On how to switch between both world and operate effectively in both sides and still maintain concentration

Michael547:
Below in the screenshot is your homework of the meaning of 'spirit' in Ecclesiastics 12:7, Job 32:8, Psalms 146:4. You can see Clearly that they have the same meaning with 'BREATH' in Ecclesiastics 3:19.

I hope you can see why BREATH in Ecclesiastics 3:19 is Correctly rendered as 'Spirit' in other translations And why Spirit in Psalms 146:4 is also correctly rendered BREATH in other translations because they have the same meaning.


I'm done with this discussion with you.
Have a nice day.

You didn't address my post!