Confirmedzombie:
See obedients spoken rubbish here. I have been tolding people that tuition fees should be Introduction in schools.

Many travelled abrod pay millions in tuition but vant not paid such in Nigeria.

How can we moves our educations forward with less funding.

No wonder many obedients are illiteacys that can't not spoke good English yet they wented to university

Is this an attempt at trying to be funny like mr cork? Well, it's not.

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What is common between touts in SE and SW, Militants in SS, Terrorists and Bandits in North? Unemployment? NO, Poverty? Yes, Non access to Higher Education? Yes. Let's not cultivate fertile ground for what is happening in Haiti. Employment situation isn't fixed yet, now they want to limit education out of the reach of this poor and vulnerable groups. Both US and UK have very high tertiary education fees but you will notice their employment statistics is low. That's why it is a bit stable there.

Oga ES...

Was that the deal you made with those 'people'? That you agree to help them promote thier draconian policies?

drsibz66:


My issue with what you wrote is this..

Why is it that when ever something isn't working in Nigeria, the citizens are made to bear the burden ? Why can't you advocate that the political class should cut their salaries and allowances and also channel the money been looted continuously in Nigeria towards this issues. Why must it be the masses to always bear the burden. Don't you people have conscience.

Since the prices of commodities blew outta proportion Why is the Govt yet to increase minimum wage in response to the inflation.

Where are all the funds we have gained from subsidy removal and floating of the naira.

I hope he replies and addresses this particular question.

paxonel:

Covenant university and other private universities that Tuition fees are not subsidize and they are collecting as much N1.5m ,have they reach Cambridge standard all these while?

NO, but they are better than your average government university. And if we are not careful, they will soon surpass our government universites.

You see, it's not about the subsidy, it's about the wickedness of Nigerians.

It isn't. The truth is, fees are too low to make our universities look good. It's harsh, but it is the truth...and it has been said for decades.

There are countries out there that their governments still subsize education for their poor citizens, yet it does not change the standard.

And to fund those subsides, they charge obonge taxes.

Denmark and Germany do free education. And they charge the type of tax rate that if tinubu bring am for Nigeria, there would be protests for days.

USA has some of the best universites in the world...for fees starting at 5000 dollars, sometimes as high as 58000 dollars. Most Americans pay for unviersity via loans because they cannot afford it otherwise.

paxonel:

Covenant university and other private universities that Tuition fees are not subsidize and they are collecting as much N1.5m ,have they reach Cambridge standard all these while?

You see, it's not about the subsidy, it's about the wickedness of Nigerians.
There are countries out there that their governments still subsize education for their poor citizens, yet it does not change the standard.

Exactly, education subsidy is one thing I will always defend, let everyone get it even upto PhD level, if the citizens can't enjoy any other benefit, that is enough to change the story of a lineage

nairalanda1:
Yes, he is right.

(If you want to quote me to abuse me, you will be reported to the moderators. You can be mature about disagreeing with me. Thank you. I will not abuse you in return)

The harsh truth is that funding our universities is a difficult thing. IN 2009, ASUU and government signed an agreement. BY 2013, the money had not been paid, and by 2018, about less than one third of the money promised had been paid...and that's it.

IN 2018, the then VC of ABU, Zaria, gave a speech. IN the speech he stated that his overheads were 600million for the year. Government gave him 120 million and told him to find the rest of the money...like how? That is how he ended up saying ....you want cambridge level, charge cambridge level fees.

You cannot pay fees less than 200000 and expect quality worth 2billion naira. It is not possible. I know that most of us are poor....and so forth, but the thing is, unviersites cost money. Too much money to run, to pay teachers and other staff, to buy equipment. Our universites are in an atrocious state, and paying such low fees, and then pretending we can reach the level of a Harvard or Oxford is a joke. The oil money we have, even if we fight corruption, cannot raise our universites to high level, without us spending over half our budget on the thing.

Yes, our fathers went to university for free...back when there were less than 7 universites with about 4000 students or less. Govt then could manage. Today, the numbers are going up.

God knows I hate the Tinubu loan scheme, and I know it would fail, but what are the alternatives? Taxation, we no gree. Punish corruptuion, we gree...until it is our side (See how people were angry at the US senate for going after GEJ, AND I know how BAT People get annoyed when bullion vans and drug money is mentioned, and then Obi and Pandora and money in the car...and then Atiku own self...lol)...then we no go gree. Pay ASUU their money, we no gree. Diversify the economy, we no gree. Industrialise, we no gree.

Either we find 30 trillion naira every year. or more for education alone, or we just accept that tuition fees is all that is left. Nigeria is a broke nation. The corruption makes it worse. And even if we fought the corruption AS WE SHOULD...it would still not be enough.

Oga what are you saying. Are you aware that some universities are already charging students above 150k per session. Now we know most universities have over 10k students. Multiple 10k by 150k. That is 1.5 billion. Mind you this 150k does not include accommodation. Universities are still making money from various post graduate schemes plus the fact you are still required to pay departmental and faculty dues plus graduation levy. If all these income is not sufficient for universites then corruption is the problem. Just like fuel subsidy, corruption is the problem not the subsidy

drsibz66:


My issue with what you wrote is this..

Why is it that when ever something isn't working in Nigeria, the citizens are made to bear the burden ? Why can't you advocate that the political class should cut their salaries and allowances and also channel the money been looted continuously in Nigeria towards this issues. Why must it be the masses to always bear the burden. Don't you people have conscience.

Since the prices of commodities blew outta proportion Why is the Govt yet to increase minimum wage in response to the inflation.

Where are all the funds we have gained from subsidy removal and floating of the naira.

Unfortunately for good educaiton, citizens must bear the burden...either in heavy taxes, or student loans. Even the grants some students get are funded by heavy taxes.

As for subsidy removal,even with that, we cannot earn enough money for qaulity universites. That is why I keep shouting we have to get off oil dependency, and improve tax quality

Confirmedzombie:
See obedients spoken rubbish here. I have been tolding people that tuition fees should be Introduction in schools.

Many travelled abrod pay millions in tuition but vant not paid such in Nigeria.

How can we moves our educations forward with less funding.

No wonder many obedients are illiteacys that can't not spoke good English yet they wented to university

Which university allowed you to graduate? Say what you know and stop yarning rubbish. Most Nigerians that travel abroad for higher education mostly post graduate don't go with the full fees. They travel with 30 to 40% of the fees and then work abroad to settle the rest

OlujobaSamuel:

Subsidy didn't wreck the education system, administration did

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It did by making funds very limited

Like now, back in the day, I paid fees of N2300 accomodation included. For bad hostels, bad libraries, and bad stuff. The money was not enough .

Do private schools run subsidy? We still have far more private schools than public in Nigeria, yet the education system is deteriorating.

Private schools don't do subsides, which is why many of them are better than government schools.

MOst schools in Nigeria are government schools...and bad funding is a big part of why they cannot educate kids well.

Rich or poor, no nation runs a zero subsidy system, kindly mention one.

NO sane nation with a subsidy system funds its subsidy from just selling one resource....it is from a mixture of taxes, and selling several resources, and taxes.

Tax rates that eat half yer income (as in denmark)

We can't take out the middle class and lower class because we want to develop a nation, we will always have the poor amongst us, what is the provision for them??

We can't keep on going into debt in the name of subsidy, and keep keepng bad universites because poor must go to school. Rich will escape.

It's like you don't get it, the money needed for quality education is far more than what we spend in the budget...before looting.

Virtually all new roads or very bad roads to be reconstructed will be tolled, so what should govt do for them as a subsidy?

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Tollls are a good way to fund road mainteance. That is what they do in most sane countries...ha.

nedu666:



Oga what are you saying. Are you aware that some universities are already charging students above 150k per session. Now we know most universities have over 10k students. Multiple 10k by 150k. That is 1.5 billion. Mind you this 150k does not include accommodation. Universities are still making money from various post graduate schemes plus the fact you are still required to pay departmental and faculty dues plus graduation levy. If all these income is not sufficient for universites then corruption is the problem. Just like fuel subsidy, corruption is the problem not the subsidy

150K is not enough for quality education

As early as 2012, it cost 600000 for a student to be trained at our univeristy. Government and students did not contribute up to half.

University cost money.

The money they're over charging for various things is even higher than what tuition fee would have been. Most universities now charging nothing below 500k naira

Racoon:
TETFUND executive secretary asks FG to introduce tuition in federal varsities

https://www.thecable.ng/tetfund-executive-secretary-asks-fg-to-introduce-tuition-in-federal-varsities/amp/

It is the seasons of evil, merciless and wickedness. Enjoy it while it last.

nairalanda1:
Yes, he is right.

(If you want to quote me to abuse me, you will be reported to the moderators. You can be mature about disagreeing with me. Thank you. I will not abuse you in return)

The harsh truth is that funding our universities is a difficult thing. IN 2009, ASUU and government signed an agreement. BY 2013, the money had not been paid, and by 2018, about less than one third of the money promised had been paid...and that's it.

IN 2018, the then VC of ABU, Zaria, gave a speech. IN the speech he stated that his overheads were 600million for the year. Government gave him 120 million and told him to find the rest of the money...like how? That is how he ended up saying ....you want cambridge level, charge cambridge level fees.

You cannot pay fees less than 200000 and expect quality worth 2billion naira. It is not possible. I know that most of us are poor....and so forth, but the thing is, unviersites cost money. Too much money to run, to pay teachers and other staff, to buy equipment. Our universites are in an atrocious state, and paying such low fees, and then pretending we can reach the level of a Harvard or Oxford is a joke. The oil money we have, even if we fight corruption, cannot raise our universites to high level, without us spending over half our budget on the thing.

Yes, our fathers went to university for free...back when there were less than 7 universites with about 4000 students or less. Govt then could manage. Today, the numbers are going up.

God knows I hate the Tinubu loan scheme, and I know it would fail, but what are the alternatives? Taxation, we no gree. Punish corruptuion, we gree...until it is our side (See how people were angry at the US senate for going after GEJ, AND I know how BAT People get annoyed when bullion vans and drug money is mentioned, and then Obi and Pandora and money in the car...and then Atiku own self...lol)...then we no go gree. Pay ASUU their money, we no gree. Diversify the economy, we no gree. Industrialise, we no gree.

Either we find 30 trillion naira every year. or more for education alone, or we just accept that tuition fees is all that is left. Nigeria is a broke nation. The corruption makes it worse. And even if we fought the corruption AS WE SHOULD...it would still not be enough.

You can bleat your threats all to your throat but the truth is that you are an insensitive hypocrite, I didn't use cuss words that you are scared off, read the trailing quote to know why I said so.





If you don't answer those questions, I will now say thunder fire you, but remember I've not said it, I will say it when you don't answer.

Racoon:
They can renovate presidential lodge/NASS with billions. Budget billions for a presidential Yatch. Budget billions for SUVs for the NASS but the FG that facilitate all these executive recklessness have no provision to freely fund education for its citizens. Terrible!

nairalanda1:
Yes, he is right.

Either we find 30 trillion naira every year. or more for education alone, or we just accept that tuition fees is all that is left. Nigeria is a broke nation. The corruption makes it worse. And even if we fought the corruption AS WE SHOULD...it would still not be enough.

Tell Nigerian leaders to fight corruption and you will realise that what made Nigeria a broke country financially is corruption among the politicians and career officials

nairalanda1:
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It did by making funds very limited

Like now, back in the day, I paid fees of N2300 accomodation included. For bad hostels, bad libraries, and bad stuff. The money was not enough .



Private schools don't do subsides, which is why many of them are better than government schools.

MOst schools in Nigeria are government schools...and bad funding is a big part of why they cannot educate kids well.


NO sane nation with a subsidy system funds its subsidy from just selling one resource....it is from a mixture of taxes, and selling several resources, and taxes.

Tax rates that eat half yer income (as in denmark)




We can't keep on going into debt in the name of subsidy, and keep keepng bad universites because poor must go to school. Rich will escape.

It's like you don't get it, the money needed for quality education is far more than what we spend in the budget...before looting.


Tollls are a good way to fund road mainteance. That is what they do in most sane countries...ha.

Seems you don't get it, so you think a country should have absolute zero subsidy system when there is no equal earnings? Which nation have you seen such, either 3rd world, 2nd world, 1st world or developing country??
It doesn't exist anywhere, it's a recipe for disaster.
In this case, what do you do to the many out of school children?? Managing the current out of school children is a crisis on its own?
What do you do to the spiral effect of paying about 1m upward as tuition?
I stand to be corrected, there is no single nation, irrespective of development status, that do not have a form of subsidy

maasoap:


Tell Nigerian leaders to fight corruption and you will realise that what made Nigeria a broke country financially is corruption among the politicians and career officials

Yes they should ....but at the end, we still won't have enough money for quality education.

That is where taxes, and long term economic diversification come in.

vibratingpenis:




You can bleat your threats all to your throat but the truth is that you are an insensitive hypocrite, I didn't use cuss words that you are scared off, read the trailing quote to know why I said so.

Educaiton is expensive. It's a sad truth

If you don't answer those questions, I will now say thunder fire you, but remember I've not said it, I will say it when you don't answer.

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I will answer your question by saying education is expensive.

And in response to your cursing....may you recieve all that you desire for in tenfold.

Good evening.

[quote author=nairalanda1 post=129885816]Yes, he is right.




You cannot pay fees less than 200000 and expect quality worth 2billion naira. It is not possible. I know that most of us are poor....and so forth, but the thing is, unviersites cost money. Too much money to run, to pay teachers and other staff, to buy equipment. Our universites are in an atrocious state, and paying such low fees, and then pretending we can reach the level of a Harvard or Oxford is a joke. The oil money we have, even if we fight corruption, cannot raise our universites to high level, without us spending over half our budget on the thing.

[Here's my fear, even if FG adds this tuition fees and raise the whole thing to 2 million per student and a lot of Nigerians are miraculously able to afford it, the universities will remain in their atrocious state. The government is just fleecing the people and that's why whenever they bring up issues like this, the people don't trust them.]

Some people are cruel and extremely wicked, this man is calling for school fees in federal universities so that he can see enough money to steal.
Despite the killing inflation and hardships everywhere cruel men are not done with pressing the neck of the poor

nairalanda1:
Yes, he is right.

(If you want to quote me to abuse me, you will be reported to the moderators. You can be mature about disagreeing with me. Thank you. I will not abuse you in return)

The harsh truth is that funding our universities is a difficult thing. IN 2009, ASUU and government signed an agreement. BY 2013, the money had not been paid, and by 2018, about less than one third of the money promised had been paid...and that's it.

IN 2018, the then VC of ABU, Zaria, gave a speech. IN the speech he stated that his overheads were 600million for the year. Government gave him 120 million and told him to find the rest of the money...like how? That is how he ended up saying ....you want cambridge level, charge cambridge level fees.

You cannot pay fees less than 200000 and expect quality worth 2billion naira. It is not possible. I know that most of us are poor....and so forth, but the thing is, unviersites cost money. Too much money to run, to pay teachers and other staff, to buy equipment. Our universites are in an atrocious state, and paying such low fees, and then pretending we can reach the level of a Harvard or Oxford is a joke. The oil money we have, even if we fight corruption, cannot raise our universites to high level, without us spending over half our budget on the thing.

Yes, our fathers went to university for free...back when there were less than 7 universites with about 4000 students or less. Govt then could manage. Today, the numbers are going up.

God knows I hate the Tinubu loan scheme, and I know it would fail, but what are the alternatives? Taxation, we no gree. Punish corruptuion, we gree...until it is our side (See how people were angry at the US senate for going after GEJ, AND I know how BAT People get annoyed when bullion vans and drug money is mentioned, and then Obi and Pandora and money in the car...and then Atiku own self...lol)...then we no go gree. Pay ASUU their money, we no gree. Diversify the economy, we no gree. Industrialise, we no gree.

Either we find 30 trillion naira every year. or more for education alone, or we just accept that tuition fees is all that is left. Nigeria is a broke nation. The corruption makes it worse. And even if we fought the corruption AS WE SHOULD...it would still not be enough.

What is the cost of the Presidential convoy?
Vice convoy
Senators
Minsters
Governors
House members local Govt Chairmen

How many of these People mentioned above have their wards schooling in Nigeria

You can't tell me Nigeria has no money while I can't see it on the body of these people mentioned above...

There is virtually nothing you can tell me to convince me that Nigerian Government can't fund education in Nigeria....

How much is that useless coastal road they want to construct or already considering?

#4 billion Naira per Kilometer and you are telling me the only way is to introduce tuition fees on Federal Universities?

Do you know how much each student pays in Federal Universities as of today


Nigerian Government don't need mercy, if you pity them , you are of all , the most miserable, because there is money pls ....

The president's visit to Dubai with his son and 28 other delegates, do you know how much was spent there, going and coming back
What was the outcome?

OlujobaSamuel:

Seems you don't get it, so you think a country should have absolute zero subsidy system when there is no equal earnings? Which nation have you seen such, either 3rd world, 2nd world, 1st world or developing country??

You can have all the subsidy you want, but it has to be paid for...and in NIgeria, we have to improve our tax to gdp raito from 10 to 50% before we can make a dent.

It doesn't exist anywhere, it's a recipe for disaster.

See my point above

In this case, what do you do to the many out of school children?? Managing the current out of school children is a crisis on its own?
What do you do to the spiral effect of paying about 1m upward as tuition?

Direct funding to primary and secondary schools, and fund vocational and technical education. Universities can be tuition fee paying.

I stand to be corrected, there is no single nation, irrespective of development status, that do not have a form of subsidy

Nigerian subsidy is funded from one source...and definetly not from tax revenue. We need to change our economy before we can afford subsides.

ArcSEMPECJ:


i .....

We should cut all of that...there is no where I support waste in government....but it still won't give us the trillions we need to get quality education.

And no, don't imply I support corruption because i disagree with you.

nairalanda1:


Yes they should ....but at the end, we still won't have enough money for quality education.

That is where taxes, and long term economic diversification come in.

There will be more than enough in a country where an individual is being accused of diverting billions of naira and sometimes the billions is in dollars. And the cases like that are just too many year in year out.
No govt anywhere in the world can and should leave her citizens to their own fate. The major responsibility of any govt is to make life easy for her citizens, not to abandone them to be doing everything on their own. From housing to water to security to health, Nigerians are the ones providing everything for themselves

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nairalanda1:
Yes, he is right.

(If you want to quote me to abuse me, you will be reported to the moderators. You can be mature about disagreeing with me. Thank you. I will not abuse you in return)

The harsh truth is that funding our universities is a difficult thing. IN 2009, ASUU and government signed an agreement. BY 2013, the money had not been paid, and by 2018, about less than one third of the money promised had been paid...and that's it.

IN 2018, the then VC of ABU, Zaria, gave a speech. IN the speech he stated that his overheads were 600million for the year. Government gave him 120 million and told him to find the rest of the money...like how? That is how he ended up saying ....you want cambridge level, charge cambridge level fees.

You cannot pay fees less than 200000 and expect quality worth 2billion naira. It is not possible. I know that most of us are poor....and so forth, but the thing is, unviersites cost money. Too much money to run, to pay teachers and other staff, to buy equipment. Our universites are in an atrocious state, and paying such low fees, and then pretending we can reach the level of a Harvard or Oxford is a joke. The oil money we have, even if we fight corruption, cannot raise our universites to high level, without us spending over half our budget on the thing.

Yes, our fathers went to university for free...back when there were less than 7 universites with about 4000 students or less. Govt then could manage. Today, the numbers are going up.

God knows I hate the Tinubu loan scheme, and I know it would fail, but what are the alternatives? Taxation, we no gree. Punish corruptuion, we gree...until it is our side (See how people were angry at the US senate for going after GEJ, AND I know how BAT People get annoyed when bullion vans and drug money is mentioned, and then Obi and Pandora and money in the car...and then Atiku own self...lol)...then we no go gree. Pay ASUU their money, we no gree. Diversify the economy, we no gree. Industrialise, we no gree.

Either we find 30 trillion naira every year. or more for education alone, or we just accept that tuition fees is all that is left. Nigeria is a broke nation. The corruption makes it worse. And even if we fought the corruption AS WE SHOULD...it would still not be enough.

Consequent upon the introduction of student loan by BAT towards the end of 2023, a lot, if not all Federal Universities hiked their fees to over 100k and close to 200k. You can verify this. To me the Universities have already started what the man is canvassing. Is he trying to suggest another hike when the dust of the previous one is yet to settle.

No nation or economy can grow without a virile education scheme. Education, whether academic, technical or vocational is the only means of developing a sustainable economic manpower. Lack of empowerment breeds criminality in any clime that sustains it.

Mark my words, things will continue to get worse in Nigeria unless and until their is an intentional policy plan to educate the increasing Nigerian populace academically, vocationally and technically. How can this be achieved if the already pauperized Nigerians are still expected to cough out hundreds of thousands as tuition?

Insipidvamp:
[Here's my fear, even if FG adds this tuition fees and raise the whole thing to 2 million per student and a lot of Nigerians are miraculously able to afford it, the universities will remain in their atrocious state. The government is just fleecing the people and that's why whenever they bring up issues like this, the people don't trust them

Well, let's wait and see. They will improve because that money is going to act as incentive for people to make sure they force the university administration to improve the unis.

Plus all the private unis that pay that high, do they not look good?

Scholarforlife:
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Consequent upon the introduction of student loan by BAT towards the end of 2023, a lot, if not all Federal Universities hiked their fees to over 100k and close to 200k. You can verify this. To me the Universities have already started what the man is canvassing. Is he trying to suggest another hike when the dust of the previous one is yet to settle.

No nation or economy can grow without a virile education scheme. Education, whether academic, technical or vocational is the only means of developing a sustainable economic manpower. Lack of empowerment breeds criminality in any clime that sustains it.

Mark my words, things will continue to get worse in Nigeria unless and until their is an intentional policy plan to educate the increasing Nigerian populace academically, vocationally and technically. How can this be achieved if the already pauperized Nigerians are still expected to cough out hundreds of thousands as tuition?

Okay, I guess we should keep the fees low then

So don't complain when our universities fall in ranking as usual.

maasoap:


There will be more than enough in a country where an individual is being accused of diverting billions of naira and sometimes the billions is in dollars. And the cases like that are just too many year in year out.
No govt anywhere in the world can and should leave her citizens to their own fate. The major responsibility of any govt is to make life easy for her citizens, not to abandone them to be doing everything on their own. From housing to water to security to health, Nigerians are the ones providing everything for themselves

NO they won't....we need trillions...something like 10 trillion or more...for education to be world class.

Not the 1.5 trillion we spend on education

Seriously, the money is yuge.

nairalanda1:


You can have all the subsidy you want, but it has to be paid for...and in NIgeria, we have to improve our tax to gdp raito from 10 to 50% before we can make a dent.




See my point above



Direct funding to primary and secondary schools, and fund vocational and technical education. Universities can be tuition fee paying.






Nigerian subsidy is funded from one source...and definetly not from tax revenue. We need to change our economy before we can afford subsides.

It's all about management, we are not the only oil dependent or single resource dependent country.
Pry and Sec schs are currently subsidised too, so how do you mean direct funding to them?
Is there optimal use of the current subsidy/income at any of the 3 levels of education system?

Racoon:
They can renovate presidential lodge/NASS with billions. Budget billions for a presidential Yatch. Budget billions for SUVs for the NASS but the FG that facilitate all these executive recklessness have no provision to freely fund education for its citizens. Terrible!

They should not spend money on that, that is true, but the truth is, the amount of money needed for education to improve in nigeria is far more than what we even spend on our budget .

Note that government waste is a demonic crime against the nation, and I am opposed to it. But the issue is, education funding has always been a problem because even without corruption, the money is not enough.

OlujobaSamuel:

It's all about management, we are not the only oil dependent or single resource dependent country.

We are the only oil dependent country with a population larger than the ability of the oil money we earn to sustain us. 2 Million barrels is not enough to give 220 million people good things

Pry and Sec schs are currently subsidised too, so how do you mean direct funding to them?
Is there optimal use of the current subsidy/income at any of the 3 levels of education system?

Let unis be funded by appropriate fees, and those who cannot pay can do loans (I hate to say that, but in the absence of alternatives..)

I knew this was their plan when I heard student loans

It’s better we have no tuition and no student loans than to saddle graduates with tuition loans of million to be paying with salaries of 80k

Tinubu’s heart is burnt of feelings