₦airaland Forum

nairalanda1:
You can have all the subsidy you want, but it has to be paid for...and in NIgeria, we have to improve our tax to gdp raito from 10 to 50% before we can make a dent.

Nigerian subsidy is funded from one source...and definetly not from tax revenue. We need to change our economy before we can afford subsides.

But taxes will not help, in fact high taxation will depress the economy and make it less prosperous and wealthy. Let's say we raise taxes to 70% of GDP. What will be the result? An even more depressed economy.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

Racoon:
With all the hardship the government has been inflicting from the incessant taxation, jacked up tariffs in electricity, foodstuffs, fuel, and cost of living, they are not considerate to make it lighter. Now it is time to increase tuition fee( educational tax) again.

To think that many of these wicked people benefitted from government scholarships back then but today choose to be wicked fellas tells a lot of how things has fell apart in Nigeria.

what they are saying is that tuition has been free.

what students pay are other fees but the tuition has been free.


now they want to include it.



No jokes.


If you check a well documented school receipt like that of Airforce Institute of Technology, Kaduna, You will see something like this.


Library Fee:
hostel:
Medical fee:
Registration fee:
Lab fee: 5000
sports and games:
Exam fee:
ICT charge:
Student Insurance Policy:
Departmental charge:
Faculty Charge:
Student Affairs charge:
Tuition: Free

Akwamkpuruamu:
I am happy, Agbadorians aren't exempted in any policy that fleeces the citizens

Not a must to comment, if you lack comprehension.

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nairalanda1:
Yes, he is right.

(If you want to quote me to abuse me, you will be reported to the moderators. You can be mature about disagreeing with me. Thank you. I will not abuse you in return)

The harsh truth is that funding our universities is a difficult thing. IN 2009, ASUU and government signed an agreement. BY 2013, the money had not been paid, and by 2018, about less than one third of the money promised had been paid...and that's it.

IN 2018, the then VC of ABU, Zaria, gave a speech. IN the speech he stated that his overheads were 600million for the year. Government gave him 120 million and told him to find the rest of the money...like how? That is how he ended up saying ....you want cambridge level, charge cambridge level fees.

You cannot pay fees less than 200000 and expect quality worth 2billion naira. It is not possible. I know that most of us are poor....and so forth, but the thing is, unviersites cost money. Too much money to run, to pay teachers and other staff, to buy equipment. Our universites are in an atrocious state, and paying such low fees, and then pretending we can reach the level of a Harvard or Oxford is a joke. The oil money we have, even if we fight corruption, cannot raise our universites to high level, without us spending over half our budget on the thing.

Yes, our fathers went to university for free...back when there were less than 7 universites with about 4000 students or less. Govt then could manage. Today, the numbers are going up.

God knows I hate the Tinubu loan scheme, and I know it would fail, but what are the alternatives? Taxation, we no gree. Punish corruptuion, we gree...until it is our side (See how people were angry at the US senate for going after GEJ, AND I know how BAT People get annoyed when bullion vans and drug money is mentioned, and then Obi and Pandora and money in the car...and then Atiku own self...lol)...then we no go gree. Pay ASUU their money, we no gree. Diversify the economy, we no gree. Industrialise, we no gree.

Either we find 30 trillion naira every year. or more for education alone, or we just accept that tuition fees is all that is left. Nigeria is a broke nation. The corruption makes it worse. And even if we fought the corruption AS WE SHOULD...it would still not be enough.

Consequent upon the introduction of student loan by BAT towards the end of 2023, a lot, if not all Federal Universities hiked their fees to over 100k and close to 200k. You can verify this. To me the Universities have already started what the man is canvassing. Is he trying to suggest another hike when the dust of the previous one is yet to settle?

No nation or economy can grow without a virile education scheme. Education, whether academic, technical or vocational is the only means of developing a sustainable economic manpower. Lack of empowerment breeds criminality in any clime that sustains it.

Mark my words, things will continue to get worse in Nigeria unless and until there is an intentional policy plan to educate the increasing Nigerian populace academically, vocationally and technically. How can this be achieved if the already pauperized Nigerians are still expected to cough out hundreds of thousands as tuition?

nairalanda1:
Yes, he is right.

(If you want to quote me to abuse me, you will be reported to the moderators. You can be mature about disagreeing with me. Thank you. I will not abuse you in return)

The harsh truth is that funding our universities is a difficult thing. IN 2009, ASUU and government signed an agreement. BY 2013, the money had not been paid, and by 2018, about less than one third of the money promised had been paid...and that's it.

IN 2018, the then VC of ABU, Zaria, gave a speech. IN the speech he stated that his overheads were 600million for the year. Government gave him 120 million and told him to find the rest of the money...like how? That is how he ended up saying ....you want cambridge level, charge cambridge level fees.

You cannot pay fees less than 200000 and expect quality worth 2billion naira. It is not possible. I know that most of us are poor....and so forth, but the thing is, unviersites cost money. Too much money to run, to pay teachers and other staff, to buy equipment. Our universites are in an atrocious state, and paying such low fees, and then pretending we can reach the level of a Harvard or Oxford is a joke. The oil money we have, even if we fight corruption, cannot raise our universites to high level, without us spending over half our budget on the thing.

Yes, our fathers went to university for free...back when there were less than 7 universites with about 4000 students or less. Govt then could manage. Today, the numbers are going up.

God knows I hate the Tinubu loan scheme, and I know it would fail, but what are the alternatives? Taxation, we no gree. Punish corruptuion, we gree...until it is our side (See how people were angry at the US senate for going after GEJ, AND I know how BAT People get annoyed when bullion vans and drug money is mentioned, and then Obi and Pandora and money in the car...and then Atiku own self...lol)...then we no go gree. Pay ASUU their money, we no gree. Diversify the economy, we no gree. Industrialise, we no gree.

Either we find 30 trillion naira every year. or more for education alone, or we just accept that tuition fees is all that is left. Nigeria is a broke nation. The corruption makes it worse. And even if we fought the corruption AS WE SHOULD...it would still not be enough.


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Above is from Rich kid poor kid, the fallacy of education subsides in NIgeria, by Mark Amaza. ARCHIVED HERE

Ekperima!!!

nairalanda1:
We are the only oil dependent country with a population larger than the ability of the oil money we earn to sustain us. 2 Million barrels is not enough to give 220 million people good things



Let unis be funded by appropriate fees, and those who cannot pay can do loans (I hate to say that, but in the absence of alternatives..)

It's just conjectures and variables using the word "we are the only country with so so n so but..."
Every nation as long as it's occupied by humans have its limitation.
What job has been created to increase tax, what is the nation's productivity level.
As long as the corruption level is high, there will be little to no result.
Subsidy system do not make people corrupt, People feast on subsidy system because they are corrupt.
You won't stop eating a meal because your chef is bad, you will change your chef in order to enjoy your meal

nairalanda1:
Yes, he is right.

(If you want to quote me to abuse me, you will be reported to the moderators. You can be mature about disagreeing with me. Thank you. I will not abuse you in return)

The harsh truth is that funding our universities is a difficult thing. IN 2009, ASUU and government signed an agreement. BY 2013, the money had not been paid, and by 2018, about less than one third of the money promised had been paid...and that's it.

IN 2018, the then VC of ABU, Zaria, gave a speech. IN the speech he stated that his overheads were 600million for the year. Government gave him 120 million and told him to find the rest of the money...like how? That is how he ended up saying ....you want cambridge level, charge cambridge level fees.

You cannot pay fees less than 200000 and expect quality worth 2billion naira. It is not possible. I know that most of us are poor....and so forth, but the thing is, unviersites cost money. Too much money to run, to pay teachers and other staff, to buy equipment. Our universites are in an atrocious state, and paying such low fees, and then pretending we can reach the level of a Harvard or Oxford is a joke. The oil money we have, even if we fight corruption, cannot raise our universites to high level, without us spending over half our budget on the thing.

Yes, our fathers went to university for free...back when there were less than 7 universites with about 4000 students or less. Govt then could manage. Today, the numbers are going up.

God knows I hate the Tinubu loan scheme, and I know it would fail, but what are the alternatives? Taxation, we no gree. Punish corruptuion, we gree...until it is our side (See how people were angry at the US senate for going after GEJ, AND I know how BAT People get annoyed when bullion vans and drug money is mentioned, and then Obi and Pandora and money in the car...and then Atiku own self...lol)...then we no go gree. Pay ASUU their money, we no gree. Diversify the economy, we no gree. Industrialise, we no gree.

Either we find 30 trillion naira every year. or more for education alone, or we just accept that tuition fees is all that is left. Nigeria is a broke nation. The corruption makes it worse. And even if we fought the corruption AS WE SHOULD...it would still not be enough.


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Above is from Rich kid poor kid, the fallacy of education subsides in NIgeria, by Mark Amaza. ARCHIVED HERE

Eriako!!!
Ozun nwuranwu

ThiefnubuBandit:
Ekperima!!!

To start with, I believe that government should reduce the amount of subsidies on public tertiary institutions in Nigeria. In other words, public tertiary institutions should be allowed to charge school fees, at least, to a more reasonable extent. This was one of the points I argued in this document which I wrote in April, 2011 for reforming tertiary education in Nigeria, which I urge every reader to download and read. I know this is a very bitter pill to swallow for many people. The usual opposition I encounter from people whenever I suggest this option is that the poor kid will be at the losing end. But what people do not know is that already, the poor kid is already at the losing end as he is not being given that excellent start he needs to compete on even terms with the rich kid. Not only that, most people have not asked themselves about the quality of education that the Nigerian child receives from public schools, whether he is rich or poor. For them, all that matters is acquiring the degree, a piece of paper with words printed on them, rather than on acquiring an education with which they can better their world

Rich kid, poor kid, the fallacy of education subsides in nigeria..archived here

99thEnemy:
what they are saying is that tuition has been free.

what students pay are other fees but the tuition has been free.


now they want to include it.



No jokes.

Exactly, people pay for lab but no equipped lab, people pay for id cards but don't get it, pay for seminars but never attended any, paid for so many things that is outside tuition at exorbitant prices, yet they got none.
I think we should start from there

nairalanda1:
NO, but they are better than your average government university. And if we are not careful, they will soon surpass our government universites.

The only reason why they tend to be better than government universities for now is because this current government have failed to fully subsidize the operation/research costs of government universities, yet the citizens are paying tax heavily.
What an irresponsible government.

It isn't. The truth is, fees are too low to make our universities look good. It's harsh, but it is the truth...and it has been said for decades.

We are not saying collect fees.
We are saying subsize from government revenues,, is that too hard to do?

As a matter of fact subsidy is the best approach to a quality education and it infrastructure.
It is the only remedy for a third world country like Nigeria pending on when we exit that third world status into a developed country.
All countries that we call developed countries today used to subsidize their education and quality education for that matter. That is what pushed them to become developed countries today where most of the citizens can afford to pay the actual tuition meant for the standard quality like Cambridge and Oxford.
The government cannot come and remove subsidy when most of the citizens are poor. It will only suffocate the citizens.

And to fund those subsides, they charge obonge taxes

i tell you one thing, when the economy is revived, subsidy can never be an issue.
It will be done conveniently.
The government is complaining today that they cannot subsidize anymore because the economy is bad.

Denmark and Germany do free education. And they charge the type of tax rate that if tinubu bring am for Nigeria, there would be protests for days.

you can't compare the GDP of these countries to that of Nigeria that you will start taxing your citizens at the same level with them. If you want improved tax, do something to improve the economy.
And the only remedy at it stands now is deregulation of the oil sector since Nigeria main stay for now is crude oil.
That is the only thing that will improve the economy.
Then after that, the government can start making judicious use of the huge revenue that comes from there to improve education standards and even subsidize it until the citizens are wealthy enough to pay the real tuition fees.

USA has some of the best universites in the world...for fees starting at 5000 dollars, sometimes as high as 58000 dollars. Most Americans pay for unviersity via loans because they cannot afford it otherwise.

even with that there are still some universities that tuitions are subsidized for poor citizens in America.
Subsidy is everywhere.

nairalanda1:
We should cut all of that...there is no where I support waste in government....but it still won't give us the trillions we need to get quality education.

And no, don't imply I support corruption because i disagree with you.

..

Ok, I now understand we are making the same point, but Nigeria has money....no jokes

IbeOkehie:
But taxes will not help, in fact high taxation will depress the economy and make it less prosperous and wealthy. Let's say we raise taxes to 70% of GDP. What will be the result? An even more depressed economy.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

Therein lies the problem

At the end the only viable option is fees. And paying for them fees via loans.

It's not an idea I like, but the thing is either we do that, or we just leave our universities in a bad state.

Allow me to borrow your catchphrase..
Good luck to Nigerians! ( Said with gritted teeth)


( God , can you give us a pot that produces one trillion naira on demand for the treasury).

paxonel:
The only reason why they tend to be better than government universities for now is because this current government have failed to fully subsidize the operation/research costs of government universities, yet the citizens are paying tax heavily.
What an irresponsible government.
We are not saying collect fees.
We are saying subsize from government revenues,, is that too hard to do?

As a matter of fact subsidy is the best approach to a quality education and it infrastructure.
It is the only remedy for a third world country like Nigeria pending on when we exit that third world status into a developed country.
All countries that we call developed countries today used to subsidize their education and quality education for that matter. That is what pushed them to become developed countries today where most of the citizens can afford to pay the actual tuition meant for the standard quality like Cambridge and Oxford.
The government cannot come and remove subsidy when most of the citizens are poor. It will only suffocate the citizens.
i tell you one thing, when the economy is revived, subsidy can never be an issue.
It will be done conveniently.
The government is complaining today that they cannot subsidize anymore because the economy is bad.
you can't compare the GDP of these countries to that of Nigeria that you will start taxing your citizens at the same level with them. If you want improved tax, do something to improve the economy.
And the only remedy at it stands now is deregulation of the oil sector since Nigeria main stay for now is crude oil.
That is the only thing that will improve the economy.
Then after that, the government can start making judicious use of the huge revenue that comes from there to improve education standards and even subsidize it until the citizens are wealthy enough to pay the real tuition fees.
even with that there are still some universities that tuitions are subsidized for poor citizens in America.
Subsidy is everywhere.

Better accept your bad universities because one billion dollars cannot fund 90 universities and countless number of primary and secondary schools adequately

What we spend on education in Nigeria is what one university in USA spends on expanding facilities

Yet you want our universities to look like american universities

See why I am talking the way I talk.?

OlujobaSamuel:
It's just conjectures and variables using the word "we are the only country with so so n so but..."
Every nation as long as it's occupied by humans have its limitation.
What job has been created to increase tax, what is the nation's productivity level.
As long as the corruption level is high, there will be little to no result.
Subsidy system do not make people corrupt, People feast on subsidy system because they are corrupt.
You won't stop eating a meal because your chef is bad, you will change your chef in order to enjoy your meal

Well unless you have alternative sources of funding, one billion dollars which is what we have for education this year cannot give us world class.

Good evening

Another tax

Let the fees not be too expensive. I should not be more than 500K per year.

nairalanda1:
Yes, he is right.

(If you want to quote me to abuse me, you will be reported to the moderators. You can be mature about disagreeing with me. Thank you. I will not abuse you in return)

The harsh truth is that funding our universities is a difficult thing. IN 2009, ASUU and government signed an agreement. BY 2013, the money had not been paid, and by 2018, about less than one third of the money promised had been paid...and that's it.

IN 2018, the then VC of ABU, Zaria, gave a speech. IN the speech he stated that his overheads were 600million for the year. Government gave him 120 million and told him to find the rest of the money...like how? That is how he ended up saying ....you want cambridge level, charge cambridge level fees.

You cannot pay fees less than 200000 and expect quality worth 2billion naira. It is not possible. I know that most of us are poor....and so forth, but the thing is, unviersites cost money. Too much money to run, to pay teachers and other staff, to buy equipment. Our universites are in an atrocious state, and paying such low fees, and then pretending we can reach the level of a Harvard or Oxford is a joke. The oil money we have, even if we fight corruption, cannot raise our universites to high level, without us spending over half our budget on the thing.

Yes, our fathers went to university for free...back when there were less than 7 universites with about 4000 students or less. Govt then could manage. Today, the numbers are going up.

God knows I hate the Tinubu loan scheme, and I know it would fail, but what are the alternatives? Taxation, we no gree. Punish corruptuion, we gree...until it is our side (See how people were angry at the US senate for going after GEJ, AND I know how BAT People get annoyed when bullion vans and drug money is mentioned, and then Obi and Pandora and money in the car...and then Atiku own self...lol)...then we no go gree. Pay ASUU their money, we no gree. Diversify the economy, we no gree. Industrialise, we no gree.

Either we find 30 trillion naira every year. or more for education alone, or we just accept that tuition fees is all that is left. Nigeria is a broke nation. The corruption makes it worse. And even if we fought the corruption AS WE SHOULD...it would still not be enough.


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Above is from Rich kid poor kid, the fallacy of education subsides in NIgeria, by Mark Amaza. ARCHIVED HERE

The cost of governance in this country alone is a big fact to tell you that our universities can be funded to run efficiently in this country but people in govt ain't ready to do anything but to steal with their greedy hands and eyes...

Racoon:
With all the hardship the government has been inflicting from the incessant taxation, jacked up tariffs in electricity, foodstuffs, fuel, and cost of living, they are not considerate to make it lighter. Now it is time to increase tuition fee( educational tax) again.

To think that many of these wicked people benefitted from government scholarships back then but today choose to be wicked fellas tells a lot of how things has fell apart in Nigeria.

You don't get it. They are not increasing anything. They are seeing tuition fees isn't even part of what students have been paying. Meaning they will add it to current fees and might even want to increase the other fees previously being paid at their discretion

BeigJawnson:
The cost of governance in this country alone is a big fact to tell you that our universities can be funded to run efficiently in this country but people in govt ain't ready to do anything but to steal with their greedy hands and eyes...

If we cut the cost of governance it still won't be enough.

We have an education budget of 1.4 trillion naira or about 1 billion dollars . That's not enough for 220 million people. UN says it must be 8 trillion or 26%of our budget.

Tinubu and APC wants to finish nigerians patapata....no feelings and conscience for the poor and the poor that voted for them into power... it's a pity

nairalanda1:
Better accept your bad universities because one billion dollars cannot fund 90 universities and countless number of primary and secondary schools adequately

whatever amount the government can afford to put into these schools is far better than not putting anything at all.
It is only an irresponsible government will abandon schools at this state the country is, in the name of removing subsidy

What we spend on education in Nigeria is what one university in USA spends on expanding facilities

Yet you want our universities to look like american universities

I just said that Covenant university for example has been privately funded heavily all these years. But did that make it look like American universities?
No way!

See why I am talking the way I talk.?

I understand where you are coming from.

What you said is a good idea, but it is not feasible in this current reality.

paxonel:
...

Since it is not feasible, stop complaining about our bad universities then.

nairalanda1:
Since it is not feasible, stop complaining about our bad universities then.

ofcourse people will always complain, there is no perfect school.
In Cambridge and Oxford people are complaining bitterly

The essence is to keep getting improvements from the authorities.

Racoon:
TETFUND executive secretary asks FG to introduce tuition in federal varsities



https://www.thecable.ng/tetfund-executive-secretary-asks-fg-to-introduce-tuition-in-federal-varsities/amp/

Anything to increase the hardship Nigerians are facing right now is welcome. Next!

DMerciful:
Different types of craze

Thank you and may you have good in your life.

If the economy is good and better, the costs of living is low, nigerians are not lavishing in poverty hunger hardship and living a better life,, jobs for the youths and nigerians, bussinesses are thriving, nflation is low , the naira has value, prices of foodstuffs goods and services cheap , fuel, disel kerosene and other petroleum products cheap, purchasing power of nigerians are high...then no problem nigerians can afford to pay the school fees without seeking for government assistance...but when the economy and country is bad.. nigerians lavishing in poverty hunger hardship, inflation is high, costs of living is high, multiple taxation on nigerians, high rate of unemployment, bussinesses are not thriving, naira has no value, fuel disel kerosene expensive, foodstuffs goods and services expensive, purchasing power of nigerians are low then how do you expect nigerians to have money to pay exorbitant school fees

DMerciful:
Different types of craze

I did not abuse you or call you names, and I dont recall abusing you, yet you abused me for no good reason.

What you have done is wrong, and totally uncalled for.

Good evening, and enjoy your day.

paxonel:
ofcourse people will always complain, there is no perfect school.
In Cambridge and Oxford people are complaining bitterly

The essence is to keep getting improvements from the authorities.

And that cannot be done with just one billion dollars for hundreds of educational institutions, at all levels...which is my point.

You abused our sensibilities and you know it.

nairalanda1:
I did not abuse you or call you names, and I dont recall abusing you, yet you abused me for no good reason.

What you have done is wrong, and totally uncalled for.

Good evening, and enjoy your day.

chuksbobby12:
Yorubas are used to free education, I wonder how they will cope.
But your comment shows that your interest is not A SUCCESSFUL AND PROSPEROUS NIGERIA but a suppressed Igbo people.
Are you not tired of suffering?? You are suppressing people who knows how to be successful more that you, how then can you succeed when you are doing everything possible to kpai your destiny helper?? Your people are just bitter towards the Igbos for no reason.

Another frustrated ObiFailure Crewe ....wailing continue ....till 2034....when you decide to create your BiaFRAUDn Republic ...., your dead brother Thomas Aguyi Ironsi created this mess for us....and the mess will continue until you decide to right the wrong your brother did in 1966-7...

DMerciful:
You abused our sensibilities and you know it.

Oga, I did not call you crazy

Also, if opinions affect you that way, then by your own comment you have abused the sensibilites of many people

Accept that you are wrong. I did not abuse you, yet you came here and abused me for nothing.

For heaven's sake, why are you so immature,? Why do you have to behave like a little child.?

Would you like it if I called you crazy? Have I ever abused you?

Grow up.