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AntiChristian:
You sha like to divert questions away from the Bible! It seems you sabi the Qur'an pass your Bible!
Allah revealed the Injeel to Jesus the son of Mary!

Why not!
You came with a fictitious Injeel given to Jesus and you are simultaneously denying the same Injeel.
Does it make sense to you.

Thus I have to show you your own folly by reminding you of what Allah said to you.
In case you forgot, Mohammed's name was supposed to be found in this book!
Are you denying Allah?

AntiChristian:
The Injeel was meant to be taught and preached to others which Jesus did!

Who told you this?

AntiChristian:
However Jesus didn't write any of it down like Moses, David and others did!

How came a book was given to Jesus but he didn't write it down?
Isn't this a contradiction?

AntiChristian:
What he preached may have been written down by some of his disciples and passed on as Injeel.
However this transmission is not really Injeel as Injeel was what was revealed directly to Jesus!

So which Injeel was Allah referring to as with the Christians (between their hands)
Is Allah telling lies?

Expanse2020:
We believe in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to you. Our God and your God is ˹only˺ One. And to Him we ˹fully˺ submit”".
So did you believe in what has been reveal after Yehesua (AS) if not you are among those will need to straight his head to correct him from the lied he was fed with

If the statement below is true
We believe in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to you. Our God and your God is ˹only˺ One. And to Him we ˹fully˺ submit”".
Then, Allah was beaten by all the people you said beat my God!

If you are correct, Allah is wrong!

Sorry!

AntiChristian:
Yes! I am!

And hope you are preparing to spend eternity in one of the worst part of hell?

So back to the thread...Did Jesus forget to tell you guys that the belief in his death is required for salvation?

He did. In fact he said that the purpose he came to this earth was to die for us. So, why would you be saved if you don't believe he came to die for you?

Matthew 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Mark 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

It's like you are locked in a prison with no way to escape. And someone comes and says I have the master key that can open the prison doors. And he comes and opens the door. And he announces that everyone is free. If you don't believe and walk out, you will remain a prisoner for life. Those who believe will walk out of the prison.

When he rose from the dead, some people didn't believe the testimony of those who had seen him. What was Jesus response to this;

Mark 16:14 -16
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

So, Jesus said that those who didn't believe the testimony of those who had seen him have a hardened heart. They have a heart of unbelief. And where do unbelieving go to; Lake of fire;

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

So, Jesus already told us that those who don't believe he rose from the dead will end up in the Lake of fire. Its not a message invented by Paul. He gave Paul the message. Hence Paul wrote;

Ephesians 3:3-4
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, note (Compare)

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ.

Paul said it was Jesus who made the mystery known to him. So, the writings of Paul are the revelations he received from Jesus.

[quote author=AntiChristian post=130371191][/quote]You are here talking nonsense while your people can't afford 750k price of a ram

IslamVIRGINS:
You are here talking nonsense while your people can't afford 750k price of a ram

It is not compulsory, is it?

And it is not only Ram we can kill.

We have options from Camel, Ram, Goat and Cow!

Ken4Christ:
He did. In fact he said that the purpose he came to this earth was to die for us. So, why would you be saved if you don't believe he came to die for you?

Matthew 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Mark 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Where did he say people need to believe his death to be saved? I don't think this is hard to understand!

It's like you are locked in a prison with no way to escape. And someone comes and says I have the master key that can open the prison doors. And he comes and opens the door. And he announces that everyone is free. If you don't believe and walk out, you will remain a prisoner for life. Those who believe will walk out of the prison.

When he rose from the dead, some people didn't believe the testimony of those who had seen him. What was Jesus response to this;

Mark 16:14 -16
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

So, Jesus said that those who didn't believe the testimony of those who had seen him have a hardened heart. They have a heart of unbelief. And where do unbelieving go to; Lake of fire;

What exactly is the Gospel to be Preached? Mark was not talking about the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John! When Mark was written Matthew and Luke were yet to be written! And John came far later!

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

So, Jesus already told us that those who don't believe he rose from the dead will end up in the Lake of fire. Its not a message invented by Paul. He gave Paul the message. Hence Paul wrote;

Where did Jesus say specifically those who do not believe in his death and resurrection?

Ephesians 3:3-4
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, note (Compare)

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ.

Paul said it was Jesus who made the mystery known to him. So, the writings of Paul are the revelations he received from Jesus.

Paul never met Jesus!

In continuing with the New Testament, most scholars accept that Paul’s writings were the first of the New Testament to be written. Dr. Dale B. Martin dates 1st Thessalonians to be from 47 CE, Prof. Bart Ehrman dates it to be from 49 CE, either way the earliest Christian New Testament ‘scripture’ can theoretically be traced back to a man who admitted to being a fool (2 Cor. 11:1, 16), to being demon possessed by a Satan sent by Christ (2 Cor. 12:6-11), who stole the name of a Pagan Roman leader (Acts 13:7-9), and who disagreed with the brother of Jesus, even fighting with the Disciples who lived with Christ and referring to them as not true believers! Heck, he even denounces a significant portion of two Gospels by criticizing the biographies included in them in Titus 3:9.

AntiChristian:
Where did he say people need to believe his death to be saved? I don't think this is hard to understand!

What exactly is the Gospel to be Preached? Mark was not talking about the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John! When Mark was written Matthew and Luke were yet to be written! And John came far later!

Where did Jesus say specifically those who do not believe in his death and resurrection?



Paul never met Jesus!

In continuing with the New Testament, most scholars accept that Paul’s writings were the first of the New Testament to be written. Dr. Dale B. Martin dates 1st Thessalonians to be from 47 CE, Prof. Bart Ehrman dates it to be from 49 CE, either way the earliest Christian New Testament ‘scripture’ can theoretically be traced back to a man who admitted to being a fool (2 Cor. 11:1, 16), to being demon possessed by a Satan sent by Christ (2 Cor. 12:6-11), who stole the name of a Pagan Roman leader (Acts 13:7-9), and who disagreed with the brother of Jesus, even fighting with the Disciples who lived with Christ and referring to them as not true believers! Heck, he even denounces a significant portion of two Gospels by criticizing the biographies included in them in Titus 3:9.

If you like, keep asking stupid question until you land in hell. It's saying, Tinubu should tell you I am the President of Nigeria before you believe he is the President.

Read my post again and the warning in the book of Revelation.

Jesus rebuked those who didn't believe the testimony of those who saw him after he was risen.

And Revelation says that the unbelieving will have their part in the Lake of fire.

So, get ready to be tormented night and day. Even your Allah said you will not escape hell.

TenQ:
Why not!
You came with a fictitious Injeel given to Jesus and you are simultaneously denying the same Injeel.
Does it make sense to you.

Thus I have to show you your own folly by reminding you of what Allah said to you.
In case you forgot, Mohammed's name was supposed to be found in this book!
Are you denying Allah?

Injeel was revealed to Jesus, but was it in a Book form? It is agreed upon even by Christians that Jesus did not write anything of the Gospel down! So where is the denial?

Who told you this?

That's the usefulness of the scripture. Or did Jesus command anyone to write anything of his sayings even in your new testament?

How came a book was given to Jesus but he didn't write it down?
Isn't this a contradiction?

No it is not! A Book is once unwritten before being written!

So which Injeel was Allah referring to as with the Christians (between their hands)
Is Allah telling lies?

Allah is far from telling lies. We should say your brain can't comprehend Him. And it really can't. It is believed that the message Jesus preached during his ministry was the essence of the Injeel. This was passed down through oral tradition and later recorded by some of his disciples and followers. So when Allah mentions the Injeel in the Quran, it refers to the original message and teachings of Jesus that were revealed to him by Allah, even though Jesus did not personally write it down as a book.

Ken4Christ:
If you like, keep asking stupid question until you land in hell. It's saying, Tinubu should tell you I am the President of Nigeria before you believe he is the President.

He did say it. Emilokan! And it was his turn in reality!

Read my post again and the warning in the book of Revelation.

No be Jesus dey talk and he didn't say we should believe in his death to be saved.

Jesus rebuked those who didn't believe the testimony of those who saw him after he was risen.

Is this where Jesus say we should believe he died to save us?

And Revelation says that the unbelieving will have their part in the Lake of fire.

It was not specific. You translated it as referring to what you wish!

So, get ready to be tormented night and day. Even your Allah said you will not escape hell.

That's not your Problem. Your problem here is to give us the verse where Jesus says we should believe in his death to be saved!

AntiChristian:
Injeel was revealed to Jesus, but was it in a Book form? It is agreed upon even by Christians that Jesus did not write anything of the Gospel down! So where is the denial?

What is your evidence that a book called Injeel was revealed to Jesus?
According to Islam the Injeel is NOT a message,It is a BOOK given to Jesus

AntiChristian:
That's the usefulness of the scripture. Or did Jesus command anyone to write anything of his sayings even in your new testament?

You said:
The Injeel was meant to be taught and preached to others which Jesus did!

I said, who told you this?
Where did you get this information?

AntiChristian:
No it is not! A Book is once unwritten before being written!

Jesus didn't write any Book!
Jesus didn't directly command nor commission any of His disciples to write any book!

How then would you say the Jesus was given a Book called Injeel?

AntiChristian:
Allah is far from telling lies. We should say your brain can't comprehend Him. And it really can't. It is believed that the message Jesus preached during his ministry was the essence of the Injeel. This was passed down through oral tradition and later recorded by some of his disciples and followers. So when Allah mentions the Injeel in the Quran, it refers to the original message and teachings of Jesus that were revealed to him by Allah, even though Jesus did not personally write it down as a book.

Maybe the Arabic of Allah isn't so good that his messages are confusing.

I have asked you before, where did you get this information?
Was it from Allah or from Mohammed?

Are you denying that the Injeel is a Book?
Because, you seem to be saying that the Injeel is a message (but where did you get this information): can you give an Islamic reference?

The Qur'an attests to some Books that he gave
The Torah
The Zabur
The Injeel
The Qur'an

I don't recall any of them being a message as you seem to be insinuating!


So, my initial question still stands:
Knowing that Jesus did not write any book, So which Injeel was Allah referring to as with the Christians (between their hands)
Is Allah telling lies?

AntiChristian:
He did say it. Emilokan! And it was his turn in reality!

No be Jesus dey talk and he didn't say we should believe in his death to be saved.

Is this where Jesus say we should believe he died to save us?

It was not specific. You translated it as referring to what you wish!


That's not your Problem. Your problem here is to give us the verse where Jesus says we should believe in his death to be saved!

Did Jesus not say that he will die and resurrect?

Did it not happen?

He instituted the communion of his body and blood which points to his death.

Those who partake of it testify that he died and rose again.

So, how can you be saved if you don't believe he died for you?

This is what different Christianity from all other religion.

Jesus died and rose again. And he is alive forever more.

Other religion leaders are dead and they are likely burning in hell right now.

Believe that Jesus died for you and confess him as your Lord and Savour. You will experience instant transformation. You will become a new creature in Christ.

Ken4Christ:
Did Jesus not say that he will die and resurrect?

Did it not happen?

He instituted the communion of his body and blood which points to his death.

Those who partake of it testify that he died and rose again.

So, how can you be saved if you don't believe he died for you?

This is what different Christianity from all other religion.

Jesus died and rose again. And he is alive forever more.

Other religion leaders are dead and they are likely burning in hell right now.

Believe that Jesus died for you and confess him as your Lord and Savour. You will experience instant transformation. You will become a new creature in Christ.

You always need theology to confirm major creed of your faith!
There's no all encompassing verse you can quote.
No where Jesus told anyone to believe in his death to be saved!
That's why i titled this thread "What did Jesus forget..."

It is not hard for him to have said to the rich man....to gain eternal life just believe in my death!
Or to tell the criminal on the cross the same!

TenQ:
What is your evidence that a book called Injeel was revealed to Jesus?
According to Islam the Injeel is NOT a message,It is a BOOK given to Jesus


You said:
The Injeel was meant to be taught and preached to others which Jesus did!

I said, who told you this?
Where did you get this information?


Jesus didn't write any Book!
Jesus didn't directly command nor commission any of His disciples to write any book!

How then would you say the Jesus was given a Book called Injeel?

Maybe the Arabic of Allah isn't so good that his messages are confusing.

I have asked you before, where did you get this information?
Was it from Allah or from Mohammed?

Are you denying that the Injeel is a Book?
Because, you seem to be saying that the Injeel is a message (but where did you get this information): can you give an Islamic reference?

The Qur'an attests to some Books that he gave
The Torah
The Zabur
The Injeel
The Qur'an

I don't recall any of them being a message as you seem to be insinuating!

So, my initial question still stands:
Knowing that Jesus did not write any book, So which Injeel was Allah referring to as with the Christians (between their hands)
Is Allah telling lies?

All your question on the Injeel is still the same!

Allah says what means: Those Messengers! We preferred some to others; to some of them Allah spoke (directly); others He raised to degrees (of honour); and to 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), We gave clear proofs and evidences, and supported him with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)]. If Allah had willed, succeeding generations would not have fought against each other, after clear Verses of Allah had come to them, but they differed - some of them believed and others disbelieved. If Allah had willed, they would not have fought against one another, but Allah does what He likes. Qur'an 2:253

So Jesus was supported with Gabriel who is the messenger of scripture!

The Qur'an was revealed piecemeal for 23 years while the Injeel and Torah were revealed at once to the respective Prophets!
And those who disbelieve say: "Why is not the Quran revealed to him all at once?" Thus (it is sent down in parts), that We may strengthen your heart thereby. And We have revealed it to you gradually, in stages. (It was revealed to the Prophet SAW in 23 years.). Qur'an 25:32


Why was the Injeel called a Book?
In Qur'an 2:2, Allah says what means: This is the Book (the Quran), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqun [the pious and righteous persons who fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allah much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)].

But we all know Qur'an was not yet a Book as at then when that verse was revealed!

So the definition of a book is as i have defined before. It can be written or unwritten!
It can be learnt by heart and transferable!

So the Injeel was a revelation of what Jesus preached as in Mark 1:14
Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God,

The Gospel he preached was revealed to him as Jesus can of himself do nothing.
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. John 5:30 So he judges as he hear!

So Injeel is a Book!
A book can be unwritten before it becomes written!
I want to write a Book! The book i want to write...
I haven't written it yet i can still call it a book!

Injeel is not Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
Jesus wasn't of course carrying those Gospels around to preach as they were written about 35-80 years after Jesus!

AntiChristian:
All your question on the Injeel is still the same!

Allah says what means: Those Messengers! We preferred some to others; to some of them Allah spoke (directly); others He raised to degrees (of honour); and to 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), We gave clear proofs and evidences, and supported him with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)]. If Allah had willed, succeeding generations would not have fought against each other, after clear Verses of Allah had come to them, but they differed - some of them believed and others disbelieved. If Allah had willed, they would not have fought against one another, but Allah does what He likes. Qur'an 2:253

So Jesus was supported with Gabriel who is the messenger of scripture!

The Qur'an was revealed piecemeal for 23 years while the Injeel and Torah were revealed at once to the respective Prophets!
And those who disbelieve say: "Why is not the Quran revealed to him all at once?" Thus (it is sent down in parts), that We may strengthen your heart thereby. And We have revealed it to you gradually, in stages. (It was revealed to the Prophet SAW in 23 years.). Qur'an 25:32

Talk is cheap. I ask for evidence.
You can't peddle the same lie and call it the evidence.

How do you know that the Torah and Injeel were revealed at once?;Every evidence show the contrary! Can you explain how the history of the Jews were revealed at once?

AntiChristian:
Why was the Injeel called a Book?
In Qur'an 2:2, Allah says what means: This is the Book (the Quran), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqun [the pious and righteous persons who fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allah much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)].

But we all know Qur'an was not yet a Book as at then when that verse was revealed!

So the definition of a book is as i have defined before. It can be written or unwritten!
It can be learnt by heart and transferable!

See how you bury your intelligence just to make Allah and his messanger Mohammed look okay!

What if I told you that I have a book titled "Lies Muslims want people to believe about Islam" but I haven't written it yet. Is this not a display of gross ignorance by you.

It cannot be a book unless it is written!

AntiChristian:
So the Injeel was a revelation of what Jesus preached as in Mark 1:14
Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God,

The Gospel he preached was revealed to him as Jesus can of himself do nothing.
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. John 5:30 So he judges as he hear!

Allah never once called the Injeel the message Jesus preached. It was always a book. And isn't it silly for you to use the bible as an evidence for things neither your Prophet or Allah never once insinuated?


Is this not a fallacy: I asked for evidence and you are giving me report written almost 700 years after the event

What is your evidence that Jesus was supported with Gabriel who is the messenger of scripture?

There is no record of such in any of the previous scriptures: if you know of any, let us know.

What is your evidence that the Holy Spirit is Jibril? Every extant scripture disagree with you!



So Injeel is a Book!
A book can be unwritten before it becomes written!
I want to write a Book! The book i want to write...
I haven't written it yet i can still call it a book!

AntiChristian:
Injeel is not Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
Jesus wasn't of course carrying those Gospels around to preach as they were written about 35-80 years after Jesus!

What is your evidence that Mathew, Mark, Luke and John or the New Testament is not the Injeel or is it just a baseless conjecture?

Then you will have to show us the copy of the Injeel Waraqa used to write and the Injeel with the Arab Christians at the time of Mohammed.
Why is it so easy for you to fabricate conjectures?

AntiChristian:
You always need theology to confirm major creed of your faith!
There's no all encompassing verse you can quote.
No where Jesus told anyone to believe in his death to be saved!
That's why i titled this thread "What did Jesus forget..."

It is not hard for him to have said to the rich man....to gain eternal life just believe in my death!
Or to tell the criminal on the cross the same!

Our Lord Jesus said;

John 3:16-18
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Our Jesus clearly said that we must believe in him to have everlasting life. What does it mean to believe in someone?

1. You believe what the person stands for or represents.
2. You believe his words or follow his instructions.
3. You believe in his brand or name.
4. You believe all that is written concerning that person.

Our Lord Jesus repeatedly spoke about his death and resurrection. And he actually died and rose again. This is the reason he came down to earth. So, how can one be saved when you don't believe in the resurrection of Jesus? The resurrection of Jesus is the greatest miracle that ever happened, and it's the greatest news that should be spread all over the world.

When Jesus rose from the dead, he told those who saw him to go and tell others that he was risen. He said they should go and preach this gospel. The gospel at this point is the good news that Jesus rose from the dead and that the sins of mankind have been forgiven. Hence, the scripture says;

Mark 16:14-16
14 Afterward, he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and UPBRAIDED THEM WITH THEIR UNBELIEF and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel (the good news that I am risen from the dead) to every creature.

16 He that believeth (that I died for their sins and rose from the dead) and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Emphasis was added to make the passage clearer.

Verse 14 said that Jesus wasn't pleased with those who didn't believe the testimony of those who saw him that he was risen. So, it means he expects you to believe that about him also.

In fact, below are all the things you must believe about Jesus to be saved;

1. You must believe that he is the Son of God.
2. You must believe that he is the visible manifestation of the invisible God.
3. You must believe in him name.
4. You must believe that he died to save you.
5. You must believe that he rose from the dead.
6. You must believe that he is coming back to take us home.

This is the gospel all the Apostles preach even before Apostle Paul came into the scene. So, Apostle Paul who gave us a simple template for salvation didn't contradict the scripture. It wasn't his personal message. He wrote it by the revelation he received from Jesus himself who called him into the ministry.

The good thing about following the template in Romans 10;9-10 is that it brings instant transformation. Countless millions of lives are being changed on a daily basis using that template.

AntiChristian, try it and you will receive instant transformation and thank me later.

First, you will experience an inner peace that was never there before.

Second, the guilt of sin will be taken away.

Third, you will not be comfortable doing certain things that you used to do.

This gospel has changed Countless lives and it is still changing lives today. Jesus loves you, he died to save you from that horrible he'll your Allah said you will all enter

Allah is leading you all (Muslims) to hell but Jesus came to rescue you. Even your leader is in hell according to Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12, 770.

So, please, stop fighting the very message that is designed to save you. Jesus is knocking at the door of your heart right now. Open your heart and let him in and you will be a living testimony that Jesus is still changing lives.

TenQ:
Talk is cheap. I ask for evidence.
You can't peddle the same lie and call it the evidence.

How do you know that the Torah and Injeel were revealed at once?;Every evidence show the contrary! Can you explain how the history of the Jews were revealed at once?

I have given you evidence! Now you can bring your evidence to the contrary! I agree i lied! Now bring your holy spirit truth with proof make we see!

See how you bury your intelligence just to make Allah and his messanger Mohammed look okay!

What if I told you that I have a book titled "Lies Muslims want people to believe about Islam" but I haven't written it yet. Is this not a display of gross ignorance by you.

It cannot be a book unless it is written!

Na you no get intelligence at all! I have given you the usage of Kitab! So if you no gree then bring your proof!

So far as the information can be written, transferred and stored then it is a Kitab translated as book. And that's it.

Allah never once called the Injeel the message Jesus preached. It was always a book. [i]And isn't it silly for you to use the bible as an evidence for things neither your Prophet or Allah never once insinuated?
Is this not a fallacy: I asked for evidence and you are giving me report written almost 700 years after the event

The Injeel, Tawrah, Zabur and others are the words of Allah.

Allah spoke to Moses and wrote the Torah for him. The Injeel was never written but revealed to Jesus!

Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Injeel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous”
[al-Maa’idah 5:46]

This is suficient evidence that the Books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are not words of Allah - Injeel!

Luke said in Luke 1:1-4 writing to a certain Theophilus:
Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

What is your evidence that Jesus was supported with Gabriel who is the messenger of scripture?

There is no record of such in any of the previous scriptures: if you know of any, let us know.

What is your evidence that the Holy Spirit is Jibril? Every extant scripture disagree with you!

The evidence has been stated before and previous scriptures didn't survive to give us clear truth on it.
Gabriel is the messenger of revelations sent to Prophets!

Allah says what means:
Say (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ): "Whoever is an enemy to Jibrael (Gabriel) (let him die in his fury), for indeed he has brought it (this Quran) down to your heart by Allah's Permission, confirming what came before it [i.e. the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] and guidance and glad tidings for the believers.

What is your evidence that Mathew, Mark, Luke and John or the New Testament is not the Injeel or is it just a baseless conjecture?

The Injeel Allah revealed to Jesus is not four essentially different Gospels nor letters written to different Churches by many people Jesus never met at all. They are just books some church fathers agree upon to be scriptures about 360 years after Jesus!

Then you will have to show us the copy of the Injeel Waraqa used to write and the Injeel with the Arab Christians at the time of Mohammed. Why is it so easy for you to fabricate conjectures?

The burden of proof is for you to bring. You said Waraqah taught Muhammad the Bible. So show us the evidence not just hypothesis!

The miracles of Jesus in the Qur'an does not include water to wine despite wine being permitted at a earlier period of Islam! The miracles of Jesus in the Bible didn't include turning clay birds to live ones! Which Gospel has this?

Which part of your Bible was copied let us know if it is John 3:16 or others?

(Remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection). "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your mother when I supported you with Ruh­ul­Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)] so that you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and when I taught you writing, Al­Hikmah (the power of understanding), the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel); and when you made out of the clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My Permission, and you breathed into it, and it became a bird by My Permission, and you healed those born blind, and the lepers by My Permission, and when you brought forth the dead by My Permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from you (when they resolved to kill you) since you came unto them with clear proofs, and the disbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.' " Quran 5:110

Ken4Christ:
Our Lord Jesus said;

John 3:16-18
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Our Jesus clearly said that we must believe in him to have everlasting life. What does it mean to believe in someone?

1. You believe what the person stands for or represents.
2. You believe his words or follow his instructions.
3. You believe in his brand or name.
4. You believe all that is written concerning that person.

I believe Jesus the son of Mary did existed as a human Prophet sent by God to the people of Israel. He never claimed divinity and most importantly in this thread he didn't tell anyone to believe in his death to be saved!

I keep checking for where Jesus say i should believe in his death to be saved! You need to insert it in a bracket below to get your desired result! That's the Christian way of theology!

Jesus did not tell the ruler to believe in his death!
Jesus did not tell the criminal crucified with him to believe in his death to be saved!

Our Lord Jesus repeatedly spoke about his death and resurrection. And he actually died and rose again. This is the reason he came down to earth. So, how can one be saved when you don't believe in the resurrection of Jesus? The resurrection of Jesus is the greatest miracle that ever happened, and it's the greatest news that should be spread all over the world.

When Jesus rose from the dead, he told those who saw him to go and tell others that he was risen. He said they should go and preach this gospel. The gospel at this point is the good news that Jesus rose from the dead and that the sins of mankind have been forgiven. Hence, the scripture says;

Mark 16:14-16
14 Afterward, he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and UPBRAIDED THEM WITH THEIR UNBELIEF and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel (the good news that I am risen from the dead) to every creature.

16 He that believeth (that I died for their sins and rose from the dead) and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Emphasis was added to make the passage clearer.

Verse 14 said that Jesus wasn't pleased with those who didn't believe the testimony of those who saw him that he was risen. So, it means he expects you to believe that about him also.

In fact, below are all the things you must believe about Jesus to be saved;

1. You must believe that he is the Son of God.
2. You must believe that he is the visible manifestation of the invisible God.
3. You must believe in him name.
4. You must believe that he died to save you.
5. You must believe that he rose from the dead.
6. You must believe that he is coming back to take us home.

This is the gospel all the Apostles preach even before Apostle Paul came into the scene. So, Apostle Paul who gave us a simple template for salvation didn't contradict the scripture. It wasn't his personal message. He wrote it by the revelation he received from Jesus himself who called him into the ministry.

The good thing about following the template in Romans 10;9-10 is that it brings instant transformation. Countless millions of lives are being changed on a daily basis using that template.

The criminal that was crucified with Jesus never believed in all those 1-6 above!
And a Letter to the Romans who purportedly crucified your Lord and was written by Saul who never met Jesus is now the one you are quoting? Paul can't give what he never had!

I think it is clear in this thread that Jesus didn't preach for once to anyone to believe in his death to be saved!

AntiChristian:
I believe Jesus the son of Mary did existed as a human Prophet sent by God to the people of Israel. He never claimed divinity and most importantly in this thread he didn't tell anyone to believe in his death to be saved!

I keep checking for where Jesus say i should believe in his death to be saved! You need to insert it in a bracket below to get your desired result! That's the Christian way of theology!

Jesus did not tell the ruler to believe in his death!
Jesus did not tell the criminal crucified with him to believe in his death to be saved!



The criminal that was crucified with Jesus never believed in all those 1-6 above!
And a Letter to the Romans who purportedly crucified your Lord and was written by Saul who never met Jesus is now the one you are quoting? Paul can't give what he never had!

I think it is clear in this thread that Jesus didn't preach for once to anyone to believe in his death to be saved!

You will continue to argue until you join your prophet in hell.

I gave you clear evidences that Jesus commanded us to preach the gospel. And the Gospel is the good news of his death and resurrection. The choice is yours. Reject and be ready to weep and gnash your teeth in hell.

AntiChristian:
I have given you evidence! Now you can bring your evidence to the contrary! I agree i lied! Now bring your holy spirit truth with proof make we see!

You gave no single evidence. How can you say that the evidence that the Torah and Injeel were revealed at once was the Qur'an?
Was the Qur'an written before, at the same time or after the whole bible?

AntiChristian:
Na you no get intelligence at all! I have given you the usage of Kitab! So if you no gree then bring your proof!

So far as the information can be written, transferred and stored then it is a Kitab translated as book. And that's it.

Can you show me a single Book that exists but is unpublished?
Why do you enjoy telling lies?

AntiChristian:
The Injeel, Tawrah, Zabur and others are the words of Allah.

Only the Qur'an are words of Allah!
Did Allah write Gen 1:1?

AntiChristian:
Allah spoke to Moses and wrote the Torah for him. The Injeel was never written but revealed to Jesus!

Another thoughtless lie of Muslims.
Please on what material did Allah write the Torah for Moses. On Paper, Papyrus or Animal Skin.

I am waiting!

AntiChristian:
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Injeel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous”
[al-Maa’idah 5:46]

This is suficient evidence that the Books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are not words of Allah - Injeel!

Luke said in Luke 1:1-4 writing to a certain Theophilus:
Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.


The evidence has been stated before and previous scriptures didn't survive to give us clear truth on it.
Gabriel is the messenger of revelations sent to Prophets!

Allah says what means:
Say (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ): "Whoever is an enemy to Jibrael (Gabriel) (let him die in his fury), for indeed he has brought it (this Quran) down to your heart by Allah's Permission, confirming what came before it [i.e. the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] and guidance and glad tidings for the believers.


The Injeel Allah revealed to Jesus is not four essentially different Gospels nor letters written to different Churches by many people Jesus never met at all. They are just books some church fathers agree upon to be scriptures about 360 years after Jesus!



The burden of proof is for you to bring. You said Waraqah taught Muhammad the Bible. So show us the evidence not just hypothesis!

The miracles of Jesus in the Qur'an does not include water to wine despite wine being permitted at a earlier period of Islam! The miracles of Jesus in the Bible didn't include turning clay birds to live ones! Which Gospel has this?

Which part of your Bible was copied let us know if it is John 3:16 or others?

According to your Islamic sources, how did Mohammed know the name of the demon that visited him in the cave? Was it not Waraqa (who even though not there) said it was Gabriel? Did Mohammed know of any Gabriel before this?


You are the one making baseless claims based on your fantasy and the lies of your islamic scholars.
1. If the Injeel was given to Jesus, present one verse from the book with evidence?
2. Is Allah telling lies when he said Mohammed's name is found in the scripture in the hands of the Christians?
3. Is it another lie that Waraqa used to copy the Injeel: then you must admit that the Injeel must have hundreds of not thousands of copies. Thus, show us a page from the Injeel of Jesus
4. If indeed the Injeel is the Words of Allah, are you affirming that Allah couldn't protect his words?

To help you, Which of these is wrong
Qur'an 2:41
And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

Qur'an 2:89
And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession - though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved - and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.

Qur'an 2:101
And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not,


Is they are not errors, then onus is on you to show us how the scriptures (Injeel) disappeared after the life time of Mohammed!

Ken4Christ:
You will continue to argue until you join your prophet in hell.

Show me proofs he is in hell?

Jesus did went to hell after death according to your Bible! Anyways i don't believe such!

I gave you clear evidences that Jesus commanded us to preach the gospel. And the Gospel is the good news of his death and resurrection. The choice is yours. Reject and be ready to weep and gnash your teeth in hell.

So when your dad dies it will be good news? How can someone's death be good news? And you believe Jesus was preaching to people to believe in his death to be saved?

Jesus preached the Gospel and the Gospel is not his death and resurrection!

Nowhere did Jesus ever preach to anyone to believe in his death to be saved!

This was invent by the creeds of Christianity!

AntiChristian:
Nowhere did Jesus ever preach to anyone to believe in his death to be saved!

This was invent by the creeds of Christianity!

Please explain this scripture as best as you know how

1. John 3:14-15:
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life."
A. How was the serpent lifted up?
B. How was the Jesus lifted up?

2. Luke 24:44-47:
"And he said to them, These are the words which I spoke to you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said to them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."
What did Jesus do with His disciples here?

3. Mat 20:28:
"Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered to, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."



Unfortunately, a Donkey will remain a donkey even if you take it to the river for a thorough bath!

AntiChristian:
It is not compulsory, is it?

And it is not only Ram we can kill.

We have options from Camel, Ram, Goat and Cow!

So goat and cow wo ileya shey? No wonder your behaviours and characters not different from that of a goat 🐐

AntiChristian:
Show me proofs he is in hell?

Jesus did went to hell after death according to your Bible! Anyways i don't believe such!

So when your dad dies it will be good news? How can someone's death be good news? And you believe Jesus was preaching to people to believe in his death to be saved?

Jesus preached the Gospel and the Gospel is not his death and resurrection!

Nowhere did Jesus ever preach to anyone to believe in his death to be saved!

This was invent by the creeds of Christianity!

Salvation came to mankind because of his death. If he hadn't died, no one especially None Jews would have been saved. The Jews already had a covenant with God and in some ways were saved. But they didn't have access to heaven until Jesus rose from the dead.

See the narration of Mohammed in hell from your most trusted hadith;

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 12, Hadith Number 770
SAHIH BUKHARI BOOK 12. CHARECTERISTICS OF PRAYER
HOME
SAHIH BUKHARI
SAHIH BUKHARI BOOK 12. CHARECTERISTICS OF PRAYER
SAHIH BUKHARI VOLUME 1, BOOK 12, HADITH NUMBER 770
Narated By Abu Huraira : The people said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?” He replied, “Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?” They replied, “No, O Allah’s Apostle!” He said, “Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?” They replied in the negative. He said, “You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, ‘I am Your Lord.’ They will say, ‘We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, ‘I am your Lord.’ They will say, ‘You are our Lord.’ Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (A BRIDGE) WILL BE LAID ACROSS HELL AND I (MUHAMMAD) SHALL BE THE FIRST AMONGST THE APOSTLES TO CROSS IT WITH MY FOLLOWERS. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, ‘O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.’
There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa’dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa’dan?” The people said, “Yes.” He said, “These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa’dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, HE WILL ORDER THE ANGELS TO TAKE OUT OF HELL THOSE WHO WORSHIPPED NONE BUT HIM ALONE. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. SO THEY WILL COME OUT OF THE FIRE, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. At that time, THEY WILL COME OUT OF THE FIRE AS MERE SKELETONS. The Water of Life will be poured on them, and as a result, they will grow like the seeds growing on the bank of flowing water. Then, when Allah had finished from the Judgments amongst his creations, one man would be left between Hell and Paradise, and he would be the last man from the people of Hell to enter paradise. He will be facing Hell and will say, ‘O Allah! Turn my face from the fire as its wind has dried me, and its steam has burnt me.’ Allah will ask him, “Will you ask for anything more in case this favour is granted to you?’ He will say, “No by Your (Honour) Power!” And he will give to his Lord (Allah) what he will of the pledges and the covenants. Allah will then turn his face from the fire. When he will face Paradise and will see its charm, he will remain quiet as long as Allah will. He then will say, ‘O my Lord! Let me go to the gate of Paradise.’ Allah will ask him, ‘Didn’t you give pledges and make covenants (to the effect) that you would not ask for anything more than what you requested at first?’ He will say, ‘O my Lord! Do not make me the most wretched amongst Your creatures.’ Allah will say, ‘If this request is granted, will you then ask for anything else?’ He will say, ‘No! By Your Power! I shall not ask for anything else.’ Then he will give to his Lord what He will of the pledges and the covenants. Allah will then let him go to the gate of Paradise. On reaching then and seeing its life, charm, and pleasure, he will remain quiet as long as Allah wills and then will say, ‘O my Lord ! Let me enter Paradise.’ Allah will say, May Allah be merciful unto you, O son of Adam! How treacherous you are! Haven’t you made covenants and given pledges that you will not ask for anything more than what you have been given?’ He will say, ‘O my Lord! Do not make me the most wretched amongst Your creatures.’ So Allah will laugh and allow him to enter Paradise and will ask him to request as much as he likes. He will do so till all his desires have been fulfilled. Then Allah will say, ‘Request more of such and such things.’ Allah will remind him and when all his desires and wishes; have been fulfilled, Allah will say “All this is granted to you and a similar amount besides.” Abu Said Al-Khudri, said to Abu Huraira, ‘Allah’s Apostle said, “Allah said, ‘That is for you and ten times more like it.’ “Abu Huraira said, “I do not remember from Allah’s Apostle except (his saying), ‘All this is granted to you and a similar amount besides.” Abu Sahd said, “I heard him saying, ‘That is for you and ten times more the like of it.”

Follow the god that will first take you to hell before you enter Paradise. And you are not even assured if you will be among those he will deliver.

Jesus takes you to heaven straight.

It is well established that these discussion are ignorant sinful jests. Not withstanding let the verses be appropriately understood.

In Surah Maryam from verses 68-72, Allah mentions the fate of different groups of people on the Day of Judgment. Here is the explanation of these verses:

But by your Lord, We will surely gather them and the devils; then We will bring them to be present around Hell upon their knees

Then We will surely extract from every sect/group those of them who were worst against the Most Merciful in insolence.

Then, surely it is We who are most knowing of those most worthy of burning therein.

And there is none of you except he will come to it. This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed. (Everybody will pass through judgement; some swiftly and others not swiftly hence the hadith about walking over the bridge over hell)

Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees.


This is absolutely perfect justice unlike the fairy tale most people like to believe. The justice and fairness of Allah at the end is absolute hence the various degrees of enjoyment in paradise and various degrees of punishment in hell.

Do you think all that are righteous are righteous to the same degree? Though all of paradise is incomparable pleasure as is the reverse in hell.

Ken4Christ:
Salvation came to mankind because of his death. If he hadn't died, no one especially None Jews would have been saved. The Jews already had a covenant with God and in some ways were saved. But they didn't have access to heaven until Jesus rose from the dead.

This is false! Salvation has existed with non-Jews before Jesus came. Didn't God send Jonah to Nineveh and were they not saved when they repented?
Jesus didn't die for them to be saved! You lied that salvation came to mankind because of his death! This is a big lie! Jesus never told the rich ruler to believe in his death! Jesus didn't tell the criminal crucified with him to believe in his death to be saved! Christianity is a collation of lies heaped around theology!

See the narration of Mohammed in hell from your most trusted hadith;

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 12, Hadith Number 770
SAHIH BUKHARI BOOK 12. CHARECTERISTICS OF PRAYER
HOME
SAHIH BUKHARI
SAHIH BUKHARI BOOK 12. CHARECTERISTICS OF PRAYER
SAHIH BUKHARI VOLUME 1, BOOK 12, HADITH NUMBER 770
Narated By Abu Huraira : The people said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?” He replied, “Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?” They replied, “No, O Allah’s Apostle!” He said, “Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?” They replied in the negative. He said, “You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, ‘I am Your Lord.’ They will say, ‘We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, ‘I am your Lord.’ They will say, ‘You are our Lord.’ Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (A BRIDGE) WILL BE LAID ACROSS HELL AND I (MUHAMMAD) SHALL BE THE FIRST AMONGST THE APOSTLES TO CROSS IT WITH MY FOLLOWERS. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, ‘O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.’
There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa’dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa’dan?” The people said, “Yes.” He said, “These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa’dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, HE WILL ORDER THE ANGELS TO TAKE OUT OF HELL THOSE WHO WORSHIPPED NONE BUT HIM ALONE. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. SO THEY WILL COME OUT OF THE FIRE, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. At that time, THEY WILL COME OUT OF THE FIRE AS MERE SKELETONS. The Water of Life will be poured on them, and as a result, they will grow like the seeds growing on the bank of flowing water. Then, when Allah had finished from the Judgments amongst his creations, one man would be left between Hell and Paradise, and he would be the last man from the people of Hell to enter paradise. He will be facing Hell and will say, ‘O Allah! Turn my face from the fire as its wind has dried me, and its steam has burnt me.’ Allah will ask him, “Will you ask for anything more in case this favour is granted to you?’ He will say, “No by Your (Honour) Power!” And he will give to his Lord (Allah) what he will of the pledges and the covenants. Allah will then turn his face from the fire. When he will face Paradise and will see its charm, he will remain quiet as long as Allah will. He then will say, ‘O my Lord! Let me go to the gate of Paradise.’ Allah will ask him, ‘Didn’t you give pledges and make covenants (to the effect) that you would not ask for anything more than what you requested at first?’ He will say, ‘O my Lord! Do not make me the most wretched amongst Your creatures.’ Allah will say, ‘If this request is granted, will you then ask for anything else?’ He will say, ‘No! By Your Power! I shall not ask for anything else.’ Then he will give to his Lord what He will of the pledges and the covenants. Allah will then let him go to the gate of Paradise. On reaching then and seeing its life, charm, and pleasure, he will remain quiet as long as Allah wills and then will say, ‘O my Lord ! Let me enter Paradise.’ Allah will say, May Allah be merciful unto you, O son of Adam! How treacherous you are! Haven’t you made covenants and given pledges that you will not ask for anything more than what you have been given?’ He will say, ‘O my Lord! Do not make me the most wretched amongst Your creatures.’ So Allah will laugh and allow him to enter Paradise and will ask him to request as much as he likes. He will do so till all his desires have been fulfilled. Then Allah will say, ‘Request more of such and such things.’ Allah will remind him and when all his desires and wishes; have been fulfilled, Allah will say “All this is granted to you and a similar amount besides.” Abu Said Al-Khudri, said to Abu Huraira, ‘Allah’s Apostle said, “Allah said, ‘That is for you and ten times more like it.’ “Abu Huraira said, “I do not remember from Allah’s Apostle except (his saying), ‘All this is granted to you and a similar amount besides.” Abu Sahd said, “I heard him saying, ‘That is for you and ten times more the like of it.”

Follow the god that will first take you to hell before you enter Paradise. And you are not even assured if you will be among those he will deliver.

(A BRIDGE) WILL BE LAID ACROSS HELL AND I (MUHAMMAD) SHALL BE THE FIRST AMONGST THE APOSTLES TO CROSS IT WITH MY FOLLOWERS Does the words in capital means they entered Hell? If you crossed a bridge over hell then you've entered hell right? Once i cross the third mainland bridge in Lagos i don enter sea! You are on something! This is whom FXmasterz is supporting!

Jesus takes you to heaven straight.

Did Jesus go to heaven straight when he died for three days? Where did he go with Biblical verses?

AntiChristian:
This is false! Salvation has existed with non-Jews before Jesus came. Didn't God send Jonah to Nineveh and were they not saved when they repented?
Jesus didn't die for them to be saved! You lied that salvation came to mankind because of his death! This is a big lie! Jesus never told the rich ruler to believe in his death! Jesus didn't tell the criminal crucified with him to believe in his death to be saved! Christianity is a collation of lies heaped around theology!

(A BRIDGE) WILL BE LAID ACROSS HELL AND I (MUHAMMAD) SHALL BE THE FIRST AMONGST THE APOSTLES TO CROSS IT WITH MY FOLLOWERS Does the words in capital means they entered Hell? If you crossed a bridge over hell then you've entered hell right? Once i cross the third mainland bridge in Lagos i don enter sea! You are on something! This is whom FXmasterz is supporting!

Did Jesus go to heaven straight when he died for three days? Where did he go with Biblical verses?

You didn't read other submissions by your hadith.

If going across a bridge laid over hell doesn't cause any harm, why will they need to cry, Allah, save us?

Second, why would they come out of it as skeletons?

Read it through again.

AntiChristian:
This is false! Salvation has existed with non-Jews before Jesus came. Didn't God send Jonah to Nineveh and were they not saved when they repented?
Jesus didn't die for them to be saved! You lied that salvation came to mankind because of his death! This is a big lie! Jesus never told the rich ruler to believe in his death! Jesus didn't tell the criminal crucified with him to believe in his death to be saved! Christianity is a collation of lies heaped around theology!

(A BRIDGE) WILL BE LAID ACROSS HELL AND I (MUHAMMAD) SHALL BE THE FIRST AMONGST THE APOSTLES TO CROSS IT WITH MY FOLLOWERS Does the words in capital means they entered Hell? If you crossed a bridge over hell then you've entered hell right? Once i cross the third mainland bridge in Lagos i don enter sea! You are on something! This is whom FXmasterz is supporting!

Did Jesus go to heaven straight when he died for three days? Where did he go with Biblical verses?

Yes, Jesus went to hell for only three days so you will not need to go. Secondly, he went there to defeat Satan and collect the keys of death and hell. And he came out of it triumphantly.

Your Mohammed is in hell. There is no evidence he has come out.

TenQ:
Please explain this scripture as best as you know how

1. John 3:14-15:
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life."
A. How was the serpent lifted up?
B. How was the Jesus lifted up?

This is not Jesus telling anyone to believe in his death to be saved!

2. Luke 24:44-47:
"And he said to them, These are the words which I spoke to you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said to them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."
What did Jesus do with His disciples here?

This is not Jesus telling anyone to believe in his death to be saved!

3. Mat 20:28:
"Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered to, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."This is not Jesus telling anyone to believe in his death to be saved!

[quote]Unfortunately, a Donkey will remain a donkey even if you take it to the river for a thorough bath!

Of course an ass will remain an ass!

Jesus didn't tell anyone to believe in his death to be saved!
He never told the rich ruler!
He never told the crucified criminal!

AntiChristian:
This is not Jesus telling anyone to believe in his death to be saved!

This is not Jesus telling anyone to believe in his death to be saved!

1. I asked you to explain the verses, you chose not to because it condemns you
2. Check again. In all the cases , Jesus was the one speaking.

But that it might be fulfilled that

John 3:19:
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

Stay in your self deception

AntiChristian:
This is false! Salvation has existed with non-Jews before Jesus came. Didn't God send Jonah to Nineveh and were they not saved when they repented?
Jesus didn't die for them to be saved! You lied that salvation came to mankind because of his death! This is a big lie! Jesus never told the rich ruler to believe in his death! Jesus didn't tell the criminal crucified with him to believe in his death to be saved! Christianity is a collation of lies heaped around theology!

(A BRIDGE) WILL BE LAID ACROSS HELL AND I (MUHAMMAD) SHALL BE THE FIRST AMONGST THE APOSTLES TO CROSS IT WITH MY FOLLOWERS Does the words in capital means they entered Hell? If you crossed a bridge over hell then you've entered hell right? Once i cross the third mainland bridge in Lagos i don enter sea! You are on something! This is whom FXmasterz is supporting!

Did Jesus go to heaven straight when he died for three days? Where did he go with Biblical verses?

Self deluded human beings who will take the words of their prophet over that of their supposed Allah.

Quran 19:71
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the Fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord

I understand that the bridge is down and not up.

Quran 19:72 
Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees."

Verse 71 says
1. ALL Muslims will enter Hell fire
2. It is a Fixed inescapable Decree of Allah
Verse 72 says
1. After an undetermined time, Allah will remove you Muslims and leave the bad people hobbling on their knees

Continue to cook up lies for yourself!

TenQ:
Self deluded human beings who will take the words of their prophet over that of their supposed Allah.

Quran 19:71
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the Fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord

I understand that the bridge is down and not up.

Quran 19:72 
Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees."

Verse 71 says
1. ALL Muslims will enter Hell fire
2. It is a Fixed inescapable Decree of Allah
Verse 72 says
1. After an undetermined time, Allah will remove you Muslims and leave the bad people hobbling on their knees

Continue to cook up lies for yourself!

Where is "all Muslims" written in that verse you quoted?
The statement of the Prophet explained it well. Where did you see the fire you included in the bracket if not from the Prophet's?

Christians are the best liars!

TenQ:
1. I asked you to explain the verses, you chose not to because it condemns you
2. Check again. In all the cases , Jesus was the one speaking.

But that it might be fulfilled that

John 3:19:
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

Stay in your self deception

Jesus is the one speaking and he didn't tell anyone to believe in his death to be saved!

The crucified criminal and the rich ruler were good examples!