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MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmm i can understand!

That your brains love peddling madness and insanities about people that don't dance to your lies and manipulations

AntiChristian:
Paul said all those not Jesus!
And Paul never met Jesus! We don't even know who he's referring to! Jesus himself said by himself he can do nothing! God no fit do anything by himself!

Of course Paul met Jesus in the most awesome way {Act 9:1-5} so he needs to explain to all his listeners the connection between the only true God and the person who's sight got him (Paul) blind {John 17:3} that's why he kept on making research to know more about Jesus of Nazareth.
According to the scriptures written by inspired men before Paul's time the Messiah has been in existence before the world was created {Micah 5:2} he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} King David called the Messiah as his Lord {Psalms 110:1} and at Proverbs 8:22-30 Solomon was inspired to write that the Messiah was beside the Almighty God in the time of creation as a Master worker.
So Paul has gathered enough information that spurs his understanding of the personality of the Messiah before writing his letter but the truth is he was misunderstood!
While Jesus in his prehuman existence served as God's fellow worker during creation he still remains part of creation as the first born {Colossians 1:15} how do we know this?
Solomon was inspired to write:
"Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago" Proverbs 8:22
The word translated "produced" could also mean gave birth or created.
How do we know this?
The next three verses in Solomon's writing says:

From ancient times I was installed, From the start, from times earlier than the earth. When there were no deep waters, I was brought forth, When there were no springs overflowing with water. Before the mountains were set in place, Before the hills, I was brought forth. Proverbs 8:23-25
So despite the fact that the prehuman Jesus was a mighty spirit being yet he was created long ago by the Almighty God Himself and whatever part Jesus took in God's work was done under the orders from the Almighty God! John 5:30
I know your own religion totally disagree with all of these but even those arguing over it are misinformed that's why none of them can present any group of worshipers that can be said as representatives of the Prince of Peace! Act 1:8 compare to Isaiah 2:4

achorladey:
That your brains love peddling madness and insanities about people that don't dance to your lies and manipulations

I can understand!

MaxInDHouse:
I can understand!

You understand you peddle madness and insanities from your brains.

achorladey:
You understand you peddle madness and insanities from your brains.

I can understand!

MaxInDHouse:
Of course Paul met Jesus in the most awesome way {Act 9:1-5} so he needs to explain to all his listeners the connection between the only true God and the person who's sight got him (Paul) blind {John 17:3} that's why he kept on making research to know more about Jesus of Nazareth.
According to the scriptures written by inspired men before Paul's time the Messiah has been in existence before the world was created {Micah 5:2} he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} King David called the Messiah as his Lord {Psalms 110:1} and at Proverbs 8:22-30 Solomon was inspired to write that the Messiah was beside the Almighty God in the time of creation as a Master worker.
So Paul has gathered enough information that spurs his understanding of the personality of the Messiah before writing his letter but the truth is he was misunderstood!
While Jesus in his prehuman existence served as God's fellow worker during creation he still remains part of creation as the first born {Colossians 1:15} how do we know this?
Solomon was inspired to write:
"Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago" Proverbs 8:22
The word translated "produced" could also mean gave birth or created.
How do we know this?
The next three verses in Solomon's writing says:

From ancient times I was installed, From the start, from times earlier than the earth. When there were no deep waters, I was brought forth, When there were no springs overflowing with water. Before the mountains were set in place, Before the hills, I was brought forth. Proverbs 8:23-25
So despite the fact that the prehuman Jesus was a mighty spirit being yet he was created long ago by the Almighty God Himself and whatever part Jesus took in God's work was done under the orders from the Almighty God! John 5:30
I know your own religion totally disagree with all of these but even those arguing over it are misinformed that's why none of them can present any group of worshipers that can be said as representatives of the Prince of Peace! Act 1:8 compare to Isaiah 2:4

Self glorification...

I know your own religion totally disagree with all of these but even those arguing over it are misinformed that's why none of them can present any group of worshipers that can be said as representatives of the Prince of Peace! Act 1:8 compare to Isaiah 2:4

When a religious organization and its leaders continually give organizational direction and teach doctrines that are filled with mistakes and errors. The madness and insanities peddling like MaxInDHouse will be classed as a misinformed member of that so called Jehovah's organization.

The height of your delusion your worst fool being an ex military intelligence cannot understand

MaxInDHouse:
I can understand!

Good for you. At least you understand something

Na wah o, when you hit the nail on the head and it makes faithless people feel pained they will continue crying with all their strength as they don't know how to hurt you in return.
Ó mà ṣeo!

[quote author=TenQ post=132303036]But you believe Mohammed who never met the even the fifth generation of the disciples of Jesus not to speak of meeting Jesus!
...what an ignorant argument!

Finish the statement: Jesus said that He can do Nothing of Himself BUT What can He do ?


Satan worshipper, can anyone say this ?

John 5:19-20
"Jesus gave them this answer: 'Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed.'"


Jesus is not God
According to the old testament and new testament

1. Firstly God doesn't dwell or liveth on the Earth (1 king 8:27) but Jesus once lived on (Mattew 23:9)
2. God cannot be seen (1 John 4:12) But Jesus was seen on earth (John 1:29)
3. Jesus is a man and was sent, he is a servant ( act 2:22) God was not a man (Hosea 11:19)
4 God cannot die (1 Cor 15:34) Jesus died (1 Timothy 1:17 )
5. God is all power (Isaiah 45:5-7)and all knowing (Isaiah 46:9) while Jesus is not all power(John 5:19) and all knowing( mark 13:32 )

MaxInDHouse:
Who dey follow this one yan?
Abeg comot for my face no be you we dey talk!

You don vex be that?

MaxInDHouse:
So Paul has gathered enough information that spurs his understanding of the personality of the Messiah before writing his letter but the truth is he was misunderstood!

The person you quoted understood those words written in plain English, reason why he tried to distance Jesus from those words.

But you can only disagree if you have problem with simple English language.

While Jesus in his prehuman existence served as God's fellow worker during creation

Let it be on record that you agreed that God has A FELLOW WORKER during CREATION PERIOD who you know to be JESUS CHRIST!

You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free"

Who is a fellow?

The definition is right below.

I know you'll try to switch mouth but it's too late or you can only reinforce my point that you people lack basic understanding of English language.

Does it make sense for Allah to be ALMIGHTY yet he cannot do seemingly simple things without ceasing to be Almighty

Expanse2020:
Jesus is not God
According to the old testament and new testament

Too bad you are comparing the limited Allah with the unlimited YHWH. Allah cannot enter his creation: he can't! Allah cannot make himself visible to his creation. Allah is not Omnipresent nor Omnipotent nor Omniscient. Too bad he made so many scientific errors in the Qur'an.

Expanse2020:
1. Firstly God doesn't dwell or liveth on the Earth (1 king 8:27) but Jesus once lived on (Mattew 23:9)

God doesn't dwell on earth is not the same as God cannot spend time on the earth.
John 18:36:
"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

Expanse2020:
2. God cannot be seen (1 John 4:12) But Jesus was seen on earth (John 1:29)

God is a spirit and as a spirit He cannot be seen BUT God also makes Himself visible both in heaven (on His throne) and anywhere else (even on earth).

God even came to Abraham as a man with two of his angels
Gen 18:1:
"And the LORD appeared to him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;"

Too bad, Allah cannot do this

Expanse2020:
3. Jesus is a man and was sent, he is a servant ( act 2:22) God was not a man (Hosea 11:19)

Hosea says that God is not like us men who tells lies:
Can Allah enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah? No!
Allah is limited unlike YHWH who can enter His creation without ceasing to be the Almighty God.

Expanse2020:
4 God cannot die (1 Cor 15:34) Jesus died (1 Timothy 1:17 )

The stupidity of Muslims never cease to amaze me. Is death a kind of annihilation in Islam?
If Allah created death, does he have the ability to die without ceasing to exist as the Almighty? No!
It is an insult to compare Allah with YHWH!

Expanse2020:
5. God is all power (Isaiah 45:5-7)and all knowing (Isaiah 46:9) while Jesus is not all power(John 5:19) and all knowing( mark 13:32 )

No wonder Allah thinks that the sun set inside some murky waters. Allah did not know that the boy killed by Al-Khidr will never grow up to adulthood but will die as a boy at the hand of Al-Khidr.
Jesus limited His glory as God so that He can fellowship with us.
Philippians 2:5-8
"Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross."

Even in your Qur'an, before Jesus was Born as a Messanger, He was a Spirit from Allah and Allah's Word. Jesus existed before he was born even in Islam. Deal with that!

Is Allah's Word Eternal according to Islam?

MaxInDHouse:
Guy i have told you countless times not to mention me again until you tell me the name of your church and what your church teaches.
There are thousands of churches today and they are not teaching the same thing so if your church teaches one thing it's just another kind of teaching which sounds appealing to members.
So what is the name of your church and what is your church stand on the matter?

My church is Church of Christ aka the body of Christ which I am part of.

Brenbentondiaz:
Revelations 3:12; "Him that overcome will I make a pillar in the Temple of My God..." He probably said that as a human when He was in heaven, right? Or you're saying Almighty God has a God?

He still speaking in terms of his human nature. Christ was raised in human body, though now glorified, notice that he still answers the root and offspring of David and the lamb of God in the book of Revelation. David was never his Father prior to his humanity. But he now operates on that cos of his humanity. But at the same time, the divine nature he also possess.

Jesus operates from two natures from the time he came on earth and upwards. Scholars call this a hypostatic Union.

Sand2022:
My church is Church of Christ aka the body of Christ which I am part of.

Continue deceiving yourself!
Each church today has a founder recognized in the society so who is the founder of your church because only one church claims to be church of Satan all others are claiming church of Christ yet there is contradictions everywhere!

MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself!
Each church today has a founder recognized in the society so who is the founder of your church because only one church claims to be church of Satan all others are claiming church of Christ yet there is contradictions everywhere!

I am not into church name stuff, I am for Jesus. If you want to know the one I currently attend in person, you already know it - Jehovah's Witness.

We are all created as gods but ignorance and blindness make us look like mere men. Even the Bible says "You are gods but shall die like mean men. If you can develop yourself you can become another Jesus in this dead world. Their is nothing Jesus did that you can't do. He even said if you believe you can can do greater things than what he did. Unfortunately you guys are living on 3000 yrs old fabrications. Every generation has their Jesus. We have got many messiahs since the world began cos every age has their Messiah.
Develop yourself
Be the Messiah of the new world

AntiChristian:
Muhammad got revelation from Allah! He's not a disciple to be reporting from anybody! He reported about Adam, Noah, Moses and many others too. Should he have gotten that report from all of them too?

What's been said is about Paul! The self proclaimed disciple of your god who never met him but got approval from the church fathers even more than the combination of the other 12!



Abeg if what you type above is true, then Jesus has no power of his own. All he had was a derived power! That's why he didn't know the hour even with all the authority given to him!

The father loves the son yet didn't show him the hour! But you claim he shows him all he does! Maybe not all he plans sha!

Master liar!
We Sabi Una!
Cover up one lie with another one!
Wetin I Sabi be say

Mohammed himself was a self acclaimed prophet of Allah. No witness. Nobody affirmed him. He proclaimed himself and declared himself without any proof whatsoever.

Paul didn't proclaim himself. Christ Himself told people about Paul. The first was Ananias who prayed for him immediately after his Damascus encounter. The close disciples of Jesus affirmed Paul. Notable signs and wonders followed Paul's ministry as proof of His association with Christ.

Sand2022:
I am not into church name stuff, I am for Jesus. If you want to know the one I currently attend in person, you already know it - Jehovah's Witness.

So go and figure out what the first century Christians meant by "sons of disobedience" {Ephesians 2:2} because if you truly attend any gathering of worshipers and you believe they are wrong in their teachings yet you continue attending meetings with them please how do you think the first century disciples of Christ will view you? 1John 2:19

Sand2022:
I am not into church name stuff, I am for Jesus. If you want to know the one I currently attend in person, you already know it - Jehovah's Witness.

Are you a politician?

FxMasterz:
Mohammed himself was a self acclaimed prophet of Allah. No witness. Nobody affirmed him. He proclaimed himself and declared himself without any proof whatsoever.

Paul didn't proclaim himself. Christ Himself told people about Paul. The first was Ananias who prayed for him immediately after his Damascus encounter. The close disciples of Jesus affirmed Paul. Notable signs and wonders followed Paul's ministry as proof of His association with Christ.

I was thinking you would show us where Christ told anyone his 13th disciple will be coming! But all na scam!

The 11 disciples disciples did appoint a 12th disciple Matthias in Acts 1:21-26 after Judas died!

Muhammad was prophesied in the original Torah and Injeel which are of course no more!
Muhammad was confirmed by many Jewish and Christian Scholars around him.
Angel Gabriel did visit the Prophet in the company of his companions as a man to teach them.
Salallahu alayhi wasalam!

MaxInDHouse:
Of course Paul met Jesus in the most awesome way {Act 9:1-5} so he needs to explain to all his listeners the connection between the only true God and the person who's sight got him (Paul) blind {John 17:3} that's why he kept on making research to know more about Jesus of Nazareth.
According to the scriptures written by inspired men before Paul's time the Messiah has been in existence before the world was created {Micah 5:2} he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} King David called the Messiah as his Lord {Psalms 110:1} and at Proverbs 8:22-30 Solomon was inspired to write that the Messiah was beside the Almighty God in the time of creation as a Master worker.
So Paul has gathered enough information that spurs his understanding of the personality of the Messiah before writing his letter but the truth is he was misunderstood!
While Jesus in his prehuman existence served as God's fellow worker during creation he still remains part of creation as the first born {Colossians 1:15} how do we know this?
Solomon was inspired to write:
"Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago" Proverbs 8:22
The word translated "produced" could also mean gave birth or created.
How do we know this?
The next three verses in Solomon's writing says:

From ancient times I was installed, From the start, from times earlier than the earth. When there were no deep waters, I was brought forth, When there were no springs overflowing with water. Before the mountains were set in place, Before the hills, I was brought forth. Proverbs 8:23-25
So despite the fact that the prehuman Jesus was a mighty spirit being yet he was created long ago by the Almighty God Himself and whatever part Jesus took in God's work was done under the orders from the Almighty God! John 5:30
I know your own religion totally disagree with all of these but even those arguing over it are misinformed that's why none of them can present any group of worshipers that can be said as representatives of the Prince of Peace! Act 1:8 compare to Isaiah 2:4

What's the probability that Paul met Jesus when it was Luke (Paul's secretary/Boy) that wrote Acts of Apostle?

AntiChristian:
I was thinking you would show us where Christ told anyone his 13th disciple will be coming! But all na scam!

All of us believers are His disciples.

The 11 disciples disciples did appoint a 12th disciple Matthias in Acts 1:21-26 after Judas died!

How does that stop Jesus from meeting anyone or sending anyone?

Muhammad was prophesied in the original Torah and Injeel which are of course no more!
Muhammad was confirmed by many Jewish and Christian Scholars around him.
Angel Gabriel did visit the Prophet in the company of his companions as a man to teach them.
Salallahu alayhi wasalam!

There's nothing like original Torah and Injeel. New dead sea scrolls discovered in the Qunram caves in 2017 and 2019 are much older than the manuscripts from which the Bible was created. Everything in the scrolls tally with the current Bible. No Mohammed was mentioned in any ancient manuscript of scripture. All are Islamic lies. These scrolls have brought new evidences about Jesus and Moses. Nothing about Mohammed!

Is this all you have to say? Mohammed has no witness. No one affirmed him. He had no open endorsement from Allan. He was a self-proclaimed, self- appointed and self-declared prophet. Paul on the other hand was confirmed, affirmed and commissioned by those who saw Jesus as well as Jesus Himself. To us believers, the Spiritual Jesus is more important than the physical Jesus.

Steep:
There is no single evidence about what they said about Jesus.

There is many o!

Jesus wasn't a good preacher...

Matthew 23:33
"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

Luke 11:40
You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also?

Matthew 16:23
Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."

What type of perfect role model is this to follow? He went around insulting people while he preached, while at the same time he told his followers to show love to their enemies? He even went so far as calling one of his disciples "Satan"!! Why couldn't Jesus be more patient and hold his tongue?

Jesus even got a bit physical at times...

John 2:15
When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!"

But however, for pedophile Mohammad evidence full ground

Even Yahweh supported pedophilia in Numbers 31:40!

Is it true that Muhammad of Islam washed his mouth using water from a pond where people used to wash menstrual clothes and other stuff? I admire him for not having any ego.
Yes it is true. And this hadith grade is hasan sahih.

And as it says,there were dead dogs in that water too. Its extremely dangerous to wash your mouth with such dirty water due to deadly parasites. Calling such filthy water pure proves that Mohammad was severely mentally ill

Why did Muhammad jump into a small puddle where dead dogs and rags with women’s menstrual blood were dumped?
Why did Mohammad clean himself with water from a small pond where people threw dead dogs, women’s blood from periods and stinking garbage?
Why did Mohammad say that water cannot be defiled when referring to the well that dead dogs and menstrual clothes were thrown into?
Why did Prophet Muhammad fail to understand that diseases can be spread from dirty water and flies?
In Sahih Muslim 1453D Hadith, Prophet Muhammad advises a lady to let an adult man suckle her breasts so that he becomes her son? Is this true and what sort of nonsense advise is this? (Sahih Muslim is considered an authentic source. )
Yes he did. Only lunatics can do such things. There are some strange things Muhammad did that no Muslim will ever want to talk about. Muhammad committed crimes, and he knew they were not from God.The Hadiths, the second holiest book in Islam, basically instruct Muslims to pursue Islam at their own peril. A 54 year old Muhammad had sexual desires for a four to six year old girl and Muslim are trying to justify it to keep Islam alive.

“Sunan an-Nasa'i 326

It was narrated that Abu Sa'eed Al-Khudri said:

"It was said: 'O Messenger of Allah, you perform Wudu' from the well into which the bodies of dogs, menstrual rags and garbage are thrown?' He said: 'Water is pure and it is not made impure by anything.'"

Which sane person would do this.

All these are what is above your pay grade! Water for ablution is different from pure water! I don't even think you can understand! Just use your drugs!

Sand2022:
Yes, as a human he had some limitations. Notice that at Luke 2:52, he is said to be increasing in wisdom and physical stature. Jesus while in heaven had complete knowledge, but as a man, he had some limitations.

However, what's your thoughts about his sustaining ALL things. Does that sound like what a creature can do?

Use your Brain, only someone produced by another is called " SON" .

The title Son already tell you he is created

AntiChristian:
What's the probability that Paul met Jesus when it was Luke (Paul's secretary/Boy) that wrote Acts of Apostle?

Why choosing what to believe in the writing?

If your religion can stand on its own then leave the Bible and talk about your own book!

It's the same Luke who penned down how Paul met Jesus while coming to Damascus! Act 9:1-8

Emusan:
This is very interesting!

So, you agreed that Jesus whom Allah gave the Injil(meaning Good News) actually have his words penned down.

Of course you should understand the context of what i wrote before you conclude! Jesus preached the Injeel! Some people penned it down! Jesus never wrote anything down! So the Bible is never Injeel nor Torah not Zabur!

Well, complete that statement Jesus said, 'himself can't do nothing but ONLY WHAT HE SEES THE FATHER DOING'

Did Jesus see his father dying for him to die since he does what he sees him doing?

This shows that God is a FATHER and Allah lied through his Quran that God isn't a Father.

Allah spoke the truth! God is All-Powerful and needs no son to help in anything! God needs no heir as He is far above dying!

AntiChristian:
Of course you should understand the context of what i wrote before you conclude! Jesus preached the Injeel! Some people penned it down! Jesus never wrote anything down! So the Bible is never Injeel nor Torah not Zabur!

Good!

So we have ORIGINAL OF WHAT JESUS SAID today penned down by SOME PEOPLE.

Reason why you know when Paul was talking and not Jesus Christ.

By the way, what is THE GOOD NEWS that Allah gave Jesus is all about and why is the ONLY JESUS that came WITH GOOD NEWS?

Did Jesus see his father dying for him to die since he does what he sees him doing?

That is not answer to my question.

Answer my question first before you asked yours.

Allah spoke the truth! God is All-Powerful and needs no son to help in anything! God needs no heir as He is far above dying!

But according to Jesus He has Father and not only that Yahweh has always called Himself Father long before Jesus came

Definitely both Allah and Jesus one must be lying.

Who is lying here?

MaxInDHouse:
Why choosing what to believe in the writing?

If your religion can stand on its own then leave the Bible and talk about your own book!

It's the same Luke who penned down how Paul met Jesus while coming to Damascus! Act 9:1-8

But Luke is Paul's boy!

And Paul and Luke are the only ones who wrote the story!

AntiChristian:
But Luke is Paul's boy!
And Paul and Luke are the only ones who wrote the story!

You only need to ask.
Luke wrote the book of Acts Paul wrote no part of it.

FxMasterz:
All of us believers are His disciples.


How does that stop Jesus from meeting anyone or sending anyone?



There's nothing like original Torah and Injeel. New dead sea scrolls discovered in the Qunram caves in 2017 and 2019 are much older than the manuscripts from which the Bible was created. Everything in the scrolls tally with the current Bible. No Mohammed was mentioned in any ancient manuscript of scripture. All are Islamic lies. These scrolls have brought new evidences about Jesus and Moses. Nothing about Mohammed!

Is this all you have to say? Mohammed has no witness. No one affirmed him. He had no open endorsement from Allan. He was a self-proclaimed, self- appointed and self-declared prophet. Paul on the other hand was confirmed, affirmed and commissioned by those who saw Jesus as well as Jesus Himself. To us believers, the Spiritual Jesus is more important than the physical Jesus.

You still skipped telling us where Jesus informed us of the 13th disciples in the name of Paul or Saul! Kindly show us?

MaxInDHouse:
You only need to ask.
Luke wrote the book of Acts Paul wrote no part of it.

I didn't say Paul wrote any part in it!

Luke was Paul's boy boy (Secretary)!

So he was influenced by Paul!