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AntiChristian:
You still skipped telling us where Jesus informed us of the 13th disciples in the name of Paul or Saul! Kindly show us?

I have told you that all of us are Disciples of Christ. Paul wasn't a 13th disciple. He was simply one of Christ's disciples just as myself. The only thing is that He had a special mission to bring Christ to the gentiles. The first disciples were sent to Israel only.

Jesus clearly defined Paul's assignment to Ananias.

AntiChristian:
I didn't say Paul wrote any part in it!
Luke was Paul's boy boy (Secretary)!
So he was influenced by Paul!

You called a faithful servant of God boy boy as you're also boy boy to some people in your own religion shey?
Well faithful servants of my God agree on terms and conditions of worship that's why we have peace among us unlike all other religions fighting and killing yourselves at every chance of disparity.

MaxInDHouse:
You called a faithful servant of God boy boy as you're also boy boy to some people in your own religion shey?

I think i did explained what i meant by "boy boy" earlier that it means secretary! I am not a secretary to anyone in my religion! You sabi think evil twist person words! Na so una mind be?

Well faithful servants of my God agree on terms and conditions of worship that's why we have peace among us unlike all other religions fighting and killing yourselves at every chance of disparity.

That doesn't stop Luke from being Paul's secretary and wrote that he met Jesus.

You son would also write good things about you!

FxMasterz:
I have told you that all of us are Disciples of Christ. Paul wasn't a 13th disciple. He was simply one of Christ's disciples just as myself. The only thing is that He had a special mission to bring Christ to the gentiles. The first disciples were sent to Israel only.

Jesus clearly defined Paul's assignment to Ananias.

You are not a disciple of Christ! You are a Gentile! You are among the dogs of the master (Israelites that Jesus was sent to)!
So there was no mention of Paul by Jesus before he died? So Jesus actually made mistake in selecting his 12 disciples?

Paul saw the gentile gap and he harnessed it well! Together with Luke his guy, he successfully created the Christianity today!

AntiChristian:
I think i did explained what i meant by "boy boy" earlier that it means secretary! I am not a secretary to anyone in my religion! You sabi think evil twist person words! Na so una mind be?
That doesn't stop Luke from being Paul's secretary and wrote that he met Jesus.
You son would also write good things about you!

Paul was imprisoned so there were many of his fellow disciples visiting him that's why they can write about him and Luke wasn't his secretary Paul wrote all his own letters Luke only wrote two books (Luke and Act)

MaxInDHouse:
Paul was imprisoned so there were many of his fellow disciples visiting him that's why they can write about him and Luke wasn't his secretary Paul wrote all his own letters Luke only wrote two books (Luke and Act)

What's the relationship between Luke and Paul according to early historians and modern Scholarship?

Find out from your Awake people if you don't know!

AntiChristian:
You are not a disciple of Christ! You are a Gentile! You are among the dogs of the master (Israelites that Jesus was sent to)!
So there was no mention of Paul by Jesus before he died? So Jesus actually made mistake in selecting his 12 disciples?

Paul saw the gentile gap and he harnessed it well! Together with Luke his guy, he successfully created the Christianity today!

Is this your new Islamic inspiration after you saw Mohammed was a self acclaimed prophet?

Paul never declared himself. The Lord Jesus did. The other disciples gave him leave to reach the gentiles with the gospel.

Those who are in Christ's kingdom and all children of Abraham. Outside of the kingdom are dogs.

AntiChristian:
What's the relationship between Luke and Paul according to early historians and modern Scholarship?
Find out from your Awake people if you don't know!

Read what the Bible says in the Bible book of Act 16:1-10

They were all brothers in the faith but some of them chose to be traveling overseers (missionaries) that's what brought Paul, Silas and Timothy together it was in a city called Traos that Luke joined them in the missionary work.

So instead of believe anything outside the Bible why not pick up the book for yourself and read with plain mind?

MaxInDHouse:
Read what the Bible says in the Bible book of Act 16:1-10

They were all brothers in the faith but some of them chose to be traveling overseers (missionaries) that's what brought Paul, Silas and Timothy together it was in a city called Traos that Luke joined them in the missionary work.

So instead of believe anything outside the Bible why not pick up the book for yourself and read with plain mind?

I didn't say they were sisters or gay partners before! Even if we say they were brothers who knew themselves well!
Your JW brother will never write anything bad about you!

So it's the same thing!

FxMasterz:
Is this your new Islamic inspiration after you saw Mohammed was a self acclaimed prophet?

I have given you some proofs up there and there are more!

Paul never declared himself. The Lord Jesus did. The other disciples gave him leave to reach the gentiles with the gospel.

Show us where Jesus did that before he died! Did Jesus say anyone will be sent to the Gentiles before he died?

Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matthew 19:28 And this included Judas! Where was Paul then?

Those who are in Christ's kingdom and all children of Abraham. Outside of the kingdom are dogs.

I no be dog o! And i will never support discrimination and racism of calling some human master and others dog just because you were not sent to them!

Jesus in Islam is free of such bigotry, profiling and discrimination!
And Allah created the World of Mankind and Jinn, Alhamdulillah!

AntiChristian:
I didn't say they were sisters or gay partners before! Even if we say they were brothers who knew themselves well!
Your JW brother will never write anything bad about you!
So it's the same thing!

Just as your Muhammedan people will never write anything bad about your prophet!

MaxInDHouse:
Just as your Muhammedan people will never write anything bad about your prophet!

His sons and daughters died!

He was afflicted!

He suffered greatly!

Is that not enough?

Grandpa dey look for excuse!

AntiChristian:
His sons and daughters died!
He was afflicted!
He suffered greatly!
Is that not enough?
Grandpa dey look for excuse!

He lost all his children while they are fighting to protect him so whose fault is that?

@Maxindhouse

Do you mean toddlers that died at infancy were protecting the prophet pbuh?

Or the one the one wrongly and unjustly attacked for being the prophet's daughter and Muslim or those 2 who died due to illness in one of these cases when her father was away at battle?

honesttalk21:
@Maxindhouse
Do you mean toddlers that died at infancy were protecting the prophet pbuh?

Or the one the one wrongly and unjustly attacked for being the prophet's daughter and Muslim or those 2 who died due to illness in one of these cases when her father was away at battle?

Surely the God of Israel has no business with that man!

MaxInDHouse:
Surely the God of Israel has no business with that man!

By this submission of yours there are different gods because a singular God created and sustains all things.

If God allowed Hagai bare a child for Abraham does this translate to her, her child and all his descendants are cut off from God in this world and the hereafter?

Is the God of Israel different from the one in America, China and Nigeria?

honesttalk21:
By this submission of yours there are different gods because a singular God created and sustains all things. If God allowed Hagai bare a child for Abraham does this translate to her, her child and all his descendants are cut off from God in this world and the hereafter?
Is the God of Israel different from the one in America, China and Nigeria?

I can see that you have the Islamic definition of GOD but the truth is there are many Gods it's the attributes of your own God that will prove the God you are worshiping.
Before the true God introduced himself to Abraham himself and all his people were worshiping other Gods! Joshua 24:2
So it's this God that claimed He is the Almighty and Creator that doesn't mean all nations are worshiping Him simply because He created them!

As for Hagai and her child the Almighty God told Abraham that He has no business with the descendants of Ishmael though like all other people He will make sure this man's descendants survive due to His love for Abraham but as regards the generation He (God) is working with it's the descendants of Isaac! Genesis 17:18-21
That's why no prophet is to come through the lineage of Ishmael!

MaxInDHouse:
I can see that you have the Islamic definition of GOD but the truth is there are many Gods it's the attributes of your own God that will prove the God you are worshiping.
Before the true God introduced himself to Abraham himself and all his people were worshiping other Gods! Joshua 24:2
So it's this God that claimed He is the Almighty and Creator that doesn't mean all nations are worshiping Him simply because He created them!

As for Hagai and her child the Almighty God told Abraham that He has no business with the descendants of Ishmael though like all other people He will make sure this man's descendants survive due to His love for Abraham but as regards the generation He (God) is working with it's the descendants of Isaac! Genesis 17:18-21
That's why no prophet is to come through the lineage of Ishmael!

If there are many Gods, how many worlds were created?

Interesting that these Gods have a common first man created in Adam.

Selective reading due to?

You slipped Genesis 17:20

And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.

honesttalk21:
If there are many Gods, how many worlds were created? Interesting that these Gods have a common first man created in Adam.

It's because you centered your mind on books and not listening to what other religions teaches, all the Gods are making the same claim that their power is unmatched that's why the nations fighting against Israel kept coming, if their Gods told them that only the God of Israel is the true God their worshipers will stop serving them so they have to continue lying to their worshipers.
Whatever the God of Israel claims those Gods will claim exactly the same thing.

honesttalk21:
Selective reading due to?
You slipped Genesis 17:20
And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.

I did mention that:

like all other people He will make sure this man's descendants survive due to His love for Abraham.

God never promised that any prophet will be raised among the descendants of Ismael unlike what God promised the Israelites! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

MaxInDHouse:
It's because you centered your mind on books and not listening to what other religions teaches, all the Gods are making the same claim that their power is unmatched that's why the nations fighting against Israel kept coming, if their Gods told them that only the God of Israel is the true God their worshipers will stop serving them so they have to continue lying to their worshipers.
Whatever the God of Israel claims those Gods will claim exactly the same thing.

I did mention that:

God never promised that any prophet will be raised among the descendants of Ismael unlike what God promised the Israelites! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

With all you've written does your thinking make you any different from a polytheist? There is only one God.

Arrogance of mankind leads to claiming difference.

Isn't there a big difference between a surviving nation and a great nation?

honesttalk21:
With all you've written does your thinking make you any different from a polytheist? There is only one God. Arrogance of mankind leads to claiming difference. Isn't there a big difference between a surviving nation and a great nation?

You don't know the meaning of "polytheist" if God acknowledged that the nations have their Gods and each will call on its God {Micah 4:5} does that makes God a polytheist?
Come on i'm only telling you what the true God says that doesn't mean i worship many Gods.
And YES if any tribe SURVIVES for thousands of years of cause such a tribe is GREAT, that doesn't mean they are worshiping the true God o!

MaxInDHouse:
You don't know the meaning of "polytheist" if God acknowledged that the nations have their Gods and each will call on its God {Micah 4:5} does that makes God a polytheist?
Come on i'm only telling you what the true God says that doesn't mean i worship many Gods.
And YES if any tribe SURVIVES for thousands of years of cause such a tribe is GREAT, that doesn't mean they are worshiping the true God o!

Interesting verse you put up in your response. Do you actually understand it?

Micah 4:5 reads that For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.

Don't you see the verse contrasts two groups? 1. Those who follow their own gods and
2. Those who commit to following Yahweh, the God of Israel.

The first part of the verse acknowledges that people will walk every one in the name of it's god reflecting the reality that different nations and cultures have their own deities and religious practices. It recognizes human inclination towards various forms of worship, often leading to idolatry.

Then Micah declares on behalf of his people, we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever signifying a strong commitment to worshiping Yahweh exclusively. The phrase “for ever and ever” emphasizes an enduring loyalty that transcends time, indicating that this devotion is not temporary but rather eternal.

The verse serves as a rebuke against idolatry by highlighting that while other nations may persist in their false worship, God’s people are called to remain steadfast in their faithfulness to Him. Clearly differentiating between those who worship a false god or gods from those who worship the true God. Troubling what you try to spin.


Surviving refers to merely getting by or making it through difficult situations, being great suggests excelling and achieving remarkable success in various aspects of life.

Don't you see that the covenant through Isaac is seen as specific to the Israelites and their law, while the covenant through Ishmael is considered broader, leading to the universal message of Islam?

Sand2022:
He still speaking in terms of his human nature. Christ was raised in human body, though now glorified, notice that he still answers the root and offspring of David and the lamb of God in the book of Revelation. David was never his Father prior to his humanity. But he now operates on that cos of his humanity. But at the same time, the divine nature he also possess.

Jesus operates from two natures from the time he came on earth and upwards. Scholars call this a hypostatic Union.

So, Jesus in Revelation was still in human form, right? For your own sake I hope it's either you are taking the piss, or you were feeling sleepy when you typed this response.

AntiChristian:
I have given you some proofs up there and there are more!

You didn't give any proof. There are none!

Show us where Jesus did that before he died! Did Jesus say anyone will be sent to the Gentiles before he died?

He sent the disciples to the whole world. No disciple can cover the whole world, so everyone has his own commission.

Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matthew 19:28 And this included Judas! Where was Paul then?

This is for the 12. The first 12. Judas was replaced by Mathias according to a lot cast to fill his vacuum. However, we believe that God knows who that seat fits. We shall know him when the time comes.

I no be dog o! And i will never support discrimination and racism of calling some human master and others dog just because you were not sent to them!

That's not discrimination. It's a spiritual connotation. Sin is shit. Dogs eat shits just as sinners eat the shit of sin.

Jesus in Islam is free of such bigotry, profiling and discrimination!
And Allah created the World of Mankind and Jinn, Alhamdulillah!

That's a fake Jesus in Islam. A Jesus that doesn't know that sin is shit is no Jesus. That's a man-made Jesus.

honesttalk21:
Interesting verse you put up in your response. Do you actually understand it?

Micah 4:5 reads that For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.

Don't you see the verse contrasts two groups? 1. Those who follow their own gods and
2. Those who commit to following Yahweh, the God of Israel.

The first part of the verse acknowledges that people will walk every one in the name of it's god reflecting the reality that different nations and cultures have their own deities and religious practices. It recognizes human inclination towards various forms of worship, often leading to idolatry.

Then Micah declares on behalf of his people, we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever signifying a strong commitment to worshiping Yahweh exclusively. The phrase “for ever and ever” emphasizes an enduring loyalty that transcends time, indicating that this devotion is not temporary but rather eternal.

The verse serves as a rebuke against idolatry by highlighting that while other nations may persist in their false worship, God’s people are called to remain steadfast in their faithfulness to Him. Clearly differentiating between those who worship a false god or gods from those who worship the true God. Troubling what you try to spin.


Surviving refers to merely getting by or making it through difficult situations, being great suggests excelling and achieving remarkable success in various aspects of life.

Don't you see that the covenant through Isaac is seen as specific to the Israelites and their law, while the covenant through Ishmael is considered broader, leading to the universal message of Islam?

This lengthy response doesn't change the fact that it's not all people that are worshiping the true God so my point is made clear and as for Ishmael there is no verse in the Bible indicating that Ishmael worshiped the God of Abraham after the separation from his father.

MaxInDHouse:
This lengthy response doesn't change the fact that it's not all people that are worshiping the true God so my point is made clear and as for Ishmael there is no verse in the Bible indicating that Ishmael worshiped the God of Abraham after the separation from his father.

It clearly shows there is a true God and many wrongly follow their false conception of who or what God is. As a result they inevitably follow gods (idols) their thinking misleads them to.

It clearly shows God is aware of the error and misled state of many.

Your Bible says in Genesis 21:20 that God was with the boy (Ishmael) as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer.

What does it mean for God to be with someone according to the scripture?

It signifies God's divine presence in their life. This means that God is actively involved in guiding, supporting, and influencing the individual’s decisions and actions.

God’s presence brings comfort and strength during challenging times.

Your Bible ignores the lineage of Ishmael and concentrates on the descendants of Isaac. This is the limit of its scope

honesttalk21:
It clearly shows there is a true God and many wrongly follow their false conception of who or what God is. As a result they inevitably follow gods (idols) their thinking misleads them to.
It clearly shows God is aware of the error and misled state of many.

So in a nutshell not everybody worships the true God!

honesttalk21:
What does it mean for God to be with someone according to the scripture?

It means God is protecting him from being killed just as God was with Cain after running away due to his murdering his brother remember God put a sign on his forehead to prevent anyone from killing him {Genesis 4:15-16} this doesn't translate to God's guidance for Cain!

MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell not everybody worships the true God!

It means God is protecting him from being killed just as God was with Cain after running away due to his murdering his brother remember God put a sign on his forehead to prevent anyone from killing him {Genesis 4:15-16} this doesn't translate to God's guidance for Cain!

Is this for the sake of response? I have convincingly shown you the one true God is different from gods or idols wrongly followed. There's no multiplicity of the true God.


God being with Ishmael is unlike Cain’s situation, where God’s intervention is protective against violence from others. In the case of Ishmael God provides guidance and support for and in his development into an archer. This indicates a different type of divine involvement—one that fosters growth rather than protection from harm.

Note too that note that Jethro (also known as Reuel), Moses’ father-in-law, was a priest of Midian a group closely associated with both Edomites and those living near Paran (where Ishmael and Hagai were). Jethro’s acknowledgment and worship of Yahweh are evident when he offers sacrifices to Him (Exodus 18:10-12). This illustrates how individuals outside Israel could recognize and honor Yahweh based on His actions and character.

FxMasterz:
You didn't give any proof. There are none!

Of course i did gave. But a blind man sees no proof!

He sent the disciples to the whole world. No disciple can cover the whole world, so everyone has his own commission.

Did Jesus know Paul before he died? Where did Jesus commission Paul before he died? Paul came with his Secretary and Friend Luke to make the claim that Jesus met Paul on the way to Damascus! Which world did Jesus send the disciples to apart from the lost sheep of Israel?

This is for the 12. The first 12. Judas was replaced by Mathias according to a lot cast to fill his vacuum. However, we believe that God knows who that seat fits. We shall know him when the time comes.

Judas was not replaced yet when Jesus made that statement! Judas was included in the 12 Jesus referred to! Matthias was appointed after Judas died!

That's not discrimination. It's a spiritual connotation. Sin is shit. Dogs eat shits just as sinners eat the shit of sin.

Call it whatever you wish! We all know it is what it is.

That's a fake Jesus in Islam. A Jesus that doesn't know that sin is shit is no Jesus. That's a man-made Jesus.

Yeah, we prefer that Jesus!
A Jesus who is completely human like other Prophets yet did many great miracles!
A Jesus who worshipped one God and never claimed himself God or one in trinity!
A Jesus that will be questioned by Allah on Judgement day!
A Jesus that did not die but was raised up body and soul!
A Jesus that will come back and fight Dajjal, kill him, rule with Islam, get married and die as a Muslim.

AntiChristian:
Of course i did gave. But a blind man sees no proof!

Can you point me to the proof you gave? Did you provide those proofs in your dreams?

Did Jesus know Paul before he died? Where did Jesus commission Paul before he died? Paul came with his Secretary and Friend Luke to make the claim that Jesus met Paul on the way to Damascus! Which world did Jesus send the disciples to apart from the lost sheep of Israel?

Wrong question. Jesus is not dead. He keeps commissioning people till today.

Judas was not replaced yet when Jesus made that statement! Judas was included in the 12 Jesus referred to! Matthias was appointed after Judas died!

It's one thing to be called, it's another thing to fulfil your calling.

Call it whatever you wish! We all know it is what it is.

But it would be your opinion alone which is far from the truth.

Yeah, we prefer that Jesus!
A Jesus who is completely human like other Prophets yet did many great miracles!
A Jesus who worshipped one God and never claimed himself God or one in trinity!
A Jesus that will be questioned by Allah on Judgement day!
A Jesus that did not die but was raised up body and soul!
A Jesus that will come back and fight Dajjal, kill him, rule with Islam, get married and die as a Muslim.

Let's wait till then. That Jesus doesn't exist. There's no proof of him anywhere. The only Jesus with proof is the Lining Jesus and He does not go by what you prefer. He goes by Whom He Is.

honesttalk21:
Is this for the sake of response? I have convincingly shown you the one true God is different from gods or idols wrongly followed. There's no multiplicity of the true God.
God being with Ishmael is unlike Cain’s situation, where God’s intervention is protective against violence from others. In the case of Ishmael God provides guidance and support for and in his development into an archer. This indicates a different type of divine involvement—one that fosters growth rather than protection from harm.
Note too that note that Jethro (also known as Reuel), Moses’ father-in-law, was a priest of Midian a group closely associated with both Edomites and those living near Paran (where Ishmael and Hagai were). Jethro’s acknowledgment and worship of Yahweh are evident when he offers sacrifices to Him (Exodus 18:10-12). This illustrates how individuals outside Israel could recognize and honor Yahweh based on His actions and character.

The point remains that billions are worshiping false Gods but thinking they are worshiping the Creator, you're still saying the same thing that it's not everybody that's worshiping the true God so how do we distinguish between worshipers of false Gods and those of the true God?

Secondly God proving to be with Ishmael is as a result of Abraham's fear for what may become of his first child not that God has any guidance for Ishmael.
Abraham has eight sons in all and since God has told him that his son will survive Abraham didn't ask questions regarding his other sons after all God has told him that His covenant will be established with Isaac only! Genesis 17:18-21
To show that God never has any further dealings there never arise a prophet from any other descendants of Abraham except those from Isaac's lineage but you can prove me wrong by mentioning just one prophet from any other sons of Abraham so if Muhammad later claimed he is a prophet through the covenant God made with Abraham abeg from where to where?

Moreover God's angel revealed that Ishmael and his descendants will become terrorists! Genesis 16:11-12

MaxInDHouse:
The point remains that billions are worshiping false Gods but thinking they are worshiping the Creator, you're still saying the same thing that it's not everybody that's worshiping the true God so how do we distinguish between worshipers of false Gods and those of the true God?

Secondly God proving to be with Ishmael is as a result of Abraham's fear for what may become of his first child not that God has any guidance for Ishmael.
Abraham has eight sons in all and since God has told him that his son will survive Abraham didn't ask questions regarding his other sons after all God has told him that His covenant will be established with Isaac only! Genesis 17:18-21
To show that God never has any further dealings there never arise a prophet from any other descendants of Abraham except those from Isaac's lineage but you can prove me wrong by mentioning just one prophet from any other sons of Abraham so if Muhammad later claimed he is a prophet through the covenant God made with Abraham abeg from where to where?

Moreover God's angel revealed that Ishmael and his descendants will become terrorists! Genesis 16:11-12

You don't get it. Even when you know the true God a true believer often reflects to know that his actions are actually in obedience and honour of the true God. The devil is extremely sneaky and cunning as he deceives.


Now to the many millennials old misconceptions about Ishmael can we look at the original scripture and language? Is there reasonable cause for mistranslation? Note that Hebrew is a Semitic language that has evolved over time.

Remember that Hagar conceived and bore a son named Ishmael when Abraham was 86 years old according to Genesis 16:15-16. This act was not only culturally acceptable at the time but also seen as a way to ensure lineage when a wife could not bear children. However, this decision led to tension between Sarah and Hagar.

God’s involvement is clear from the outset. In Genesis 16:10-12, an angel of the Lord appears to Hagar while she is fleeing from Sarah’s mistreatment. The angel delivers a message that not only reassures Hagar but also outlines God’s plan for Ishmael.

As a bessing you read I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count and in character The angel describes Ishmael as a wild donkey of a man, indicating his independent spirit and strength as stated in Genesis 16:12.

Is the last statement a mischievous mistranslation?

In the original Hebrew version, Ishmael is described as a "pere adam" which can be translated as a wild donkey of a man or a "free man. This description indicates independence, strength, and vitality, suggesting positive qualities in Ishmael and his descendants.

The positive interpretation of “Pere Adam” can be seen as a representation of independence and strength. Ishmael is portrayed as a strong and capable individual who is able to navigate relationships and situations with confidence and skill. This interpretation offers a more empowering and positive view of Ishmael's character, highlighting his ability to succeed and thrive in diverse environments.

Ishmael will be able to find common ground and build relationships based on mutual understanding and cooperation. The skewed notion of the Jews and Christians is corrected in Islam.

Perhaps you consider the meaning of Ishmael which is God hears