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SIRTee15:
Then go and argue with a fellow Muslim who believes the highlighted.
Don't project Quranic ignorance of metaphysics on me. I never told U I believe the Quran is true.

When U come to debate Christians, learn the bible theology first b4 making up argument that makes no sense.

In metaphysics, spirits can't die. U need a physical body to experience death.

Where in the OP do you see any islamic projection? You're the one bringing the islamic projection!

Try understand the OP and answer it appropriately! There's no islamic projection therein.

Pastor Adeboye says Yahweh drank his tea, not me!

MightySparrow:
So you don't believe the reference you qouted?

Answer the OP and stop answering questions with questions!

MaxInDHouse:
That's language barrier for you because in your own language what John meant may totally differ from it's direct translation in your own language that's why context matters when reading the Bible.
John didn't exaggerate it was exactly what Jesus said in their own language that he wrote so if not explained you will misconstrue the whole thing just as you did!

I've seen the Greek translation and "whatever" and "nothing" is included as it is. The exaggeration is embedded! I can't say Jesus made a mistake but John!

AntiChristian:
I don't know why Christians are so abusive like this. And you'll claim you have Holy spirit in you right?

Being Obstinate and Obnoxious is an abuse!?
SMH!!

AntiChristian:
Stop wasting your time asking me islamic questions on my thread about your Bible statements. If you can't answer the question do keep mute and stop forming Voltron!

Only Max was civil enough to attempt the question but you're the only one turning the question upside down!

And I can see that you understood max very well!
SMH!

I repeat:
What can one do with a mad man's opinion? Nothing!

AntiChristian:
Here are the premises:
1. Jesus does only what he sees his father doing!
2. Jesus can of himself do nothing!

Conclusions:
Anything Jesus does must have been done previously by the father!

Jesus ate when he saw the father ate!
Jesus wept when he saw the father weep!
Jesus died when he saw the father die!
Jesus rose when he saw the father risen!

Enough of Rhetorics when indeed either language is your problem or like a madman, reason eludes you. It makes no sense sir!
Even if 30 pages was used to craft answers suitable for your level of comprehension, you will choose to feign IGNORANCE of sense.

You are afraid of betraying the incoherence of islam aren't you?
This is why you wouldn't answer any question as it betrays the failure of what you call your religion.


AGAIN:
I asked you a simple question:
1. According to Allah, Does Jesus CREATE Life?
It is a YES or NO question sir!

2. Is it true that Allah says that no one can create a similitude of a fly even if they joined hands together?
It is a YES or NO question sir!

3. If it is true, why was Jesus an exception?

4. Is it true that Allah is just one (the best) of the Creators of life in the universe?
Apart from Jesus, who are the other creators of life?

AntiChristian:
Answer the OP and stop answering questions with questions!

You qouted a reference nah!

Check my signature.
It is hypocrisy to quote a reference you don't believe in for the sake of winning an argument.

AntiChristian:
Where in the OP do you see any islamic projection? You're the one bringing the islamic projection!

Try understand the OP and answer it appropriately! There's no islamic projection therein.

Pastor Adeboye says Yahweh drank his tea, not me!

According to the Bible can spirits die?

AntiChristian:
I've seen the Greek translation and "whatever" and "nothing" is included as it is. The exaggeration is embedded! I can't say Jesus made a mistake but John!

John understood Jesus' statement better than you since they are both Jews and he lived with him as one of his disciples.

When you consider Matthew 10:28 that says: “And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; rather, fear Him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” This verse highlights the difference between the power of humans (to kill the body) and the power of God (to destroy both soul and body).

Perhaps the difference between soul and spirit should be questioned along with the all able God exhibiting his power not just in hell.

MightySparrow:
You qouted a reference nah!

Check my signature.
It is hypocrisy to quote a reference you don't believe in for the sake of winning an argument.

So if I quote evolution theory in biology then I must believe in it?

Ọpọlọ ndún yin sir!

SIRTee15:
According to the Bible can spirits die?

Fallen angels could procreate in Genesis 6:1-4.

So this means they can have sex, eat and die too!

MaxInDHouse:
John understood Jesus' statement better than you since they are both Jews and he lived with him as one of his disciples.

Jesus doesn't understand Greek! The new testament was written in Greek not Hebrew!

AntiChristian:
So if I quote evolution theory in biology then I must believe in it?

Ọpọlọ ndún yin sir!

Are we discussing biology now?
. why are you a Muslim?

AntiChristian:
Fallen angels could procreate in Genesis 6:1-4.

So this means they can have sex, eat and die too!

Was the procreation in heaven or earth?

If on earth, that means they incarnated and took upon real human nature like Jesus?

Did the Father ever incarnate into a real human body?

TenQ:
Let me help you with the remaining verses you refused to quote as Jesus gave EXAMPLES of what He meant!

John 5:20-23:
"For the Father loves the Son, and shows him all things that himself does: and he will show him greater works than these, that you may marvel. For as the Father raises up the dead, and vivifies them; even so the Son vivifies whom he will. For the Father judges no man, but has committed all judgment to the Son: That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father which has sent him."



Still, your obstinate self chose not to comprehend simple English as there is difference between
What the Father does, the Son also does
AND it's NOT the same as
what the Son does, the Father also does!
Because, if one to one match is what a Donkey spirit possessed person is saying, the Father is on His throne in Heaven while the Son was here on earth!

Donkey brained individuals will insist that what Jesus meant was
Whatever the Son does is what the Father does!

I asked you a simple question:
1. According to Allah, Does the Son CREATE Life?

It is a YES or NO question sir!

2. Is it true that Allah says that non can create a similitude of a fly even if they joined hands together?

3. If it is true, why was Jesus an exception?

4. Is it true that Allah is just one (the best) of the Creators of life in the universe?
Apart from Jesus, who are the other creators of life?



It seems you are afraid to ask questions so that you wouldn't leave the clutch of Allah the best Deceiver.


Antichristian
Stop the tantrums.
A. I have dealt a heavy blow on the foundation of Islam and it is in shambles.

B. Go home and think of why Allah is NOT Omnipotent nor Omniscient nor Omnipresent.

C. Think of why Allah existence is not different from the existence of Iblis.

D. Think of how Taoheed is UNIFICATION of Deitys.

E. Think of how Ahad is ONE OF many or ONE in a GROUP

F. Think of the BEST DECEIVER and ponder if you are not already Deceived.

AntiChristian shey these questions hard for your rotted brain to answer kwo

TenQ:
Being Obstinate and Obnoxious is an abuse!?
SMH!!


And I can see that you understood max very well!
SMH!

I repeat:
What can one do with a mad man's opinion? Nothing!


Enough of Rhetorics when indeed either language is your problem or like a madman, reason eludes you. It makes no sense sir!
Even if 30 pages was used to craft answers suitable for your level of comprehension, you will choose to feign IGNORANCE of sense.

You are afraid of betraying the incoherence of islam aren't you?
This is why you wouldn't answer any question as it betrays the failure of what you call your religion.


AGAIN:
I asked you a simple question:
1. According to Allah, Does Jesus CREATE Life?
It is a YES or NO question sir!

2. Is it true that Allah says that no one can create a similitude of a fly even if they joined hands together?
It is a YES or NO question sir!

3. If it is true, why was Jesus an exception?

4. Is it true that Allah is just one (the best) of the Creators of life in the universe?
Apart from Jesus, who are the other creators of life?

Slave AntiChristian, this is not the right time to read Surat look-away nah abi kini damu opolo e gan self

Ohyoudidnt:
When you consider Matthew 10:28 that says: “And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; rather, fear Him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” This verse highlights the difference between the power of humans (to kill the body) and the power of God (to destroy both soul and body).

Perhaps the difference between soul and spirit should be questioned along with the all able God exhibiting his power not just in hell.

Can a spirit die? That's the question we asked you sir.
Is it possible for a spirit to die.
Your friend seem to think spirit can die....is he correct.

AntiChristian:
So how is this statement true "For whatever the Father does, the Son also does" What does it mean as you never really answered it? GothamCities, mightysparrow

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one. However, all administration resides in the Father. The three have one mind. The Father is the Administrator while the Son is the Executor. The Holy Spirit is the Operator or 'Manifestor'.

For example, whatever the Father wants to do, He simply Speaks it. The Son who is the Word of the Father goes out to make it happen. The Holy Spirit then manifests what the Word (Son) has accomplished.

Isaiah 34:16 says:
“His mouth has commanded it and His Spirit hath gathered them.”

This verse above shows the Trinity in action. His mouth commands. That's the Word sent out. His Spirit gathers or manifests what the Word has accomplished.

This is what Jesus meant. Whatever the Father does in His Mind is carried out by the Son and manifested by the Holy Ghost.

The Father administers the universe through His Word (The Son) and His Holy Spirit.

SIRTee15:
Can a spirit die? That's the question we asked you sir.
Is it possible for a spirit to die.
Your friend seem to think spirit can die....is he correct.

Your Bible says both soul and body can be destroyed. Is this different from death?

SIRTee15:
Can a spirit die? That's the question we asked you sir.
Is it possible for a spirit to die.
Your friend seem to think spirit can die....is he correct.

The result of killing someone is death or dying isn't it? What plausible explanation for the presence of kill in that verse if it has no relation to dying of both the body and soul?

Are your Bible authors simply playing with words?

GothamCities:
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one. However, all administration resides in the Father. The three have one mind. The Father is the Administrator while the Son is the Executor. The Holy Spirit is the Operator or 'Manifestor'.

For example, whatever the Father wants to do, He simply Speaks it. The Son who is the Word of the Father goes out to make it happen. The Holy Spirit then manifests what the Word (Son) has accomplished.

Isaiah 34:16 says:
“His mouth has commanded it and His Spirit hath gathered them.”

This verse above shows the Trinity in action. His mouth commands. That's the Word sent out. His Spirit gathers or manifests what the Word has accomplished.

This is what Jesus meant. Whatever the Father does in His Mind is carried out by the Son and manifested by the Holy Ghost.

The Father administers the universe through His Word (The Son) and His Holy Spirit.

Why the However if they are one and equal in the trinity?

The obvious contradiction in the belief that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one and equal, yet the Father holds a position of authority over the other two, is complex, mysterious, contradictory and simply plain stupid dumb

Ohyoudidnt:
Why the However if they are one and equal in the trinity?

The obvious contradiction in the belief that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one and equal, yet the Father holds a position of authority over the other two, is complex, mysterious, contradictory and simply plain stupid dumb

That's as far as your understanding can carry you. You yourself have a Spirit, a Soul and a Body. Go and understand that before you try to understand God. God created man in His image.

The Spirit, Soul and Body have distinct roles, yet they're one person. However, the Spirit of a man is higher than his soul and body.

Ohyoudidnt:
The result of killing someone is death or dying isn't it? What plausible explanation for the presence of kill in that verse if it has no relation to dying of both the body and soul?

Are your Bible authors simply playing with words?

My friend, the verse said nothing about spirit. It mentioned soul and body.

If Muslims have a problem differentiating soul from spirit, don't push that on me. Keep that problem to your community.

My question is clear, Can a spirit die? That verse said nothing about spirit.

Ohyoudidnt:
Your Bible says both soul and body can be destroyed. Is this different from death?

My question is about spirit not body or soul.

SIRTee15:
My question is about spirit not body or soul.

Differentiate between the soul and the spirit

Ohyoudidnt:
Why the However if they are one and equal in the trinity?

The obvious contradiction in the belief that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one and equal, yet the Father holds a position of authority over the other two, is complex, mysterious, contradictory and simply plain stupid dumb

Let me take U on the trinity. Once we start pls don't run
I will force your brain to accept trinity by the time we done.
U will admit there is no contradiction in trinity but it makes perfect sense.
The God of Abraham, God of Isaac and God of Jacob can have no other nature but to betriune. THAT'S WHO HE IS IN EXISTENCE.
I don't know about the one Muhammed called his God. That one may not be triune, I dont know.

BUT THE ALMIGHTY SUPREME SOVEREIGN GOD IS TRIUNE.

ITS CONFIRMED IN THE TANAKH, THE TORAH AND THE NEW TESTAMENT.
THE PATRAICH BELIEVED IT, THE ANCIENT JEWS Believed IT AND WE CHRISTIANS ALSO Believed IN HIM WHO IS ETERNALLY TRIUNE.

If U are ready to take the challenge, let's go.

SIRTee15:
Let me take U on the trinity. Once we start pls don't run
I will force your brain to accept trinity by the time we done.
U will admit there is no contradiction in trinity but it makes perfect sense.
The God of Abraham, God of Isaac and God of Jacob can have no other nature but to betriune. THAT'S WHO HE IS IN EXISTENCE.
I don't know about the one Muhammed called his God. That one may not be triune, I dont know.

BUT THE ALMIGHTY SUPREME SOVEREIGN GOD IS TRIUNE.

ITS CONFIRMED IN THE TANAKH, THE TORAH AND THE NEW TESTAMENT.
THE PATRAICH BELIEVED IT, THE ANCIENT JEWS Believed IT AND WE CHRISTIANS ALSO Believed IN HIM WHO IS ETERNALLY TRIUNE.

If U are ready to take the challenge, let's go.

Go on and clarify or confirm. I doubt you can remove any confusion in what is called trinity

SIRTee15:
My question is about spirit not body or soul.

Waiting on your explanation of the difference

SIRTee15:
My friend, the verse said nothing about spirit. It mentioned soul and body.

If Muslims have a problem differentiating soul from spirit, don't push that on me. Keep that problem to your community.

My question is clear, Can a spirit die? That verse said nothing about spirit.

Your Bible points to this.

Besides what became of the fallen angels in your Bible that propagated with women?
Where do you place their children? What happened to them?

AntiisIam:
Slave AntiChristian, this is not the right time to read Surat look-away nah abi kini damu opolo e gan self

Hevis running away from answering my questions

Ohyoudidnt:
Your Bible points to this.

Besides what became of the fallen angels in your Bible that propagated with women?
Where do you place their children? What happened to them?

Bible differentiates btw soul and spirit. According to the bible, the spirit of man return to God. It doesn't die.

Did the fallen angels procreate in heaven or on earth?

If it was on earth, that mean they incarnated into real human nature right?

So how's that different from ordinary men.

The question is can a spirit procreate, can a spirit die?

Ohyoudidnt:
Waiting on your explanation of the difference

What do U understand by spirit. Let's start from there...
According to the bible, is man a spirit, soul or body?

Ohyoudidnt:
Go on and clarify or confirm. I doubt you can remove any confusion in what is called trinity

First let's start with definition of trinity.
What is your understanding of trinity according to Christians.