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LordReed:
LoLz. That's why I say you make your god look either dumb or a liar. You say the god is timeless then he supposedly tells humans with finite life spans "I am coming soon" and makes them think it's even in the lifetime of the people hearing it. 2000 years later you want to form that the god is playing 4d chess. It's nothing but self delusion at this point.

I am not concerned about your god because such doesn't exist.

Gabrielshow24:
You just like perambulating.
You like to avoid the truth.

They said he is coming!
What is he coming to do?
And when he comes what will be of you?

Does it matter whether it's in hundred years time or now?

But you fail to see the motive for such
It's like I said earlier you only see what you want to see.

And based on your emphasis on "death"
It seems that's your major issue with the concept of "God's coming".

But you fail to account for the fact there is a judgement (where everything irrespective of which time period he or she lived will face the Lord an account for all that he/she had done)

Which renders your "emphasis" null and void and means the death of the supposed believers waiting for God doesn't delimit the message of faithfulness being passed!!!

The question now lies in, when you stand before your creator what will you say?

How will you save yourself?

And what will become of you?

Now it's your time but then it will be his.
Do whatsoever you like with your time; His' is coming!

LordReed:
The prson who is trying very hard to see what they want to see here is you. You are going to same the words of your supposed god mean something else because the evidence before our faces do not match those words. You are willing to ignore reality for the fantasy story you've embraced.

Gabrielshow24:
Well am not surprised in the same way Noah told his people, a great Flood was coming and they ignored him based on (I suppose the evidence they had at hand).

The same way people of yesteryears said it was not possible for men to fly but look around you.

It goes to show that you cannot use your suppose "present evidence".

It's not a guarantee of truth.
Now show me how the bible is a fantasy book.

The burden of Proof falls on you!

LordReed:
LoLz. Falls on me for what? You are the one claim these fantasies as real. Can you present evidence your god is coming soon? No. Can you present evidence that there is a judgement day? No. I don't need to present evidence because the reality is none of these your fantasies are real.

Gabrielshow24:
Well in this world we live in "everything that has a beginning will surely have an end".

It doesn't matter whether "my God is coming" but instead our pitiful existence will one day cease and logic suggests that the day can be "construed" as "judgement day".

It's only a matter of time.
No matter how hard you deny it.

You will someday go and some one likewise will come and debate whether you even existed in the first place and the cycle continues until the very end!

LordReed:
You can use our death as proof of anything because the dead tell no tales. So when our forefathers believe their venerated ancestors were looking out for them, they used death as proof too. Those who believe aliens will come take them away in spaceships also use death as proof. Any fantasy can use death as proof so you proved nothing.

Since nobody will link me with fantasies and magic, nobody will be debating whether or not I existed. But maybe I'll start now since people are so gullible, gullible enough to hand over their monthly salaries in the name of a god. I should start my own magic show let people give me money too.

Gabrielshow24:
First of all, I wish you good luck in your endeavors!

As regards "death" it seems to me that is a concept you really like.

Everytime I say something regarding God; your next defense is "death".

And I have explained that "death" doesn't really matter in the same vein "those that were present during the time of Jesus didn't really do much either as compared to the yearnings of the prophets to be in Jesus' day".

I am sure what we take for granted - electricity, comfort, logistics etc would have been someone's dream in the previous years.
We that experience it are we any different from them.
Are we still not human beings?
So using "death or era" doesn't change anything.

The generic nature of man is prevalent across time and era.
"As the preacher said is there anything new under the sun" nope.

To buttress one more time whether in the future, the sun grows and swallows us(earth) up that very day can be construed as "judgement day" or perhaps there's a world war and as a last resort Russia uses its hand of God system along with many other nations that very same day can be construed as "judgement day".
Or if you are the scifi type then consider an invasion perhaps from another galaxy that leads to a slaughter of all mankind, that selfsame can be termed "judgment day"

Irrespective that the former hypotheticals didn't follow religious beliefs it doesn't matter. one thing is certain "the end will come".
The form doesn't matter!

"Temptations to sin are sure to come, but woe to the one through whom they come! It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin."

The verse above talks about temptation (certainty) and I have lent it to buttress my point; that it doesn't matter what form " judgement day shows it self through" but rather it's certain to happen.

Now you using death doesn't make any sense whether you die now or you die later in the future it doesn't change anything but did you die in the Lord?

That's the question.
When your parents tell you to remember the son of who you are!

If a day comes that they are invited for perhaps a misdeed you committed won't they not remind you of that very statement!

You just buttress more, my point of " faithfulness"!

Likewise God, bigger than us all, has given us a word of reminder and I intend to keep it.

If you play with it, that's your business.
And you will resolve that with him!

Gabrielshow24:
Well in this world we live in "everything that has a beginning will surely have an end".

It doesn't matter whether "my God is coming" but instead our pitiful existence will one day cease and logic suggests that the day can be "construed" as "judgement day".

It's only a matter of time.
No matter how hard you deny it.

LordReed:
Dude! It was you who brought up death not me. This was what I responded to:



Are you going to deny you were talking about death?
I think you are mistaken. In your earlier write ups you were the one that brought death into the Topic as usual you exhibit your fallacy of rhetorics


See I've said it before you guys are just guessing at things you have no explanation for and putting the god as explanation. That's why believers will see a helpless bird fly into their house and say witches have come. Natural things will happen is without doubt but you think it is a god.

BTW you still make your god sound doubt if the sun swallowing the earth is supposedly the so called judgement day you think is coming.

it's become really obvious that you don't know what you are saying.
Didn't you see "hypothetical" there?
And is the Right up about "the sun swallowing the earth" but to instead prove the previous question you asked regarding "judgement there, begging for proof".

That's why I used those hypotheticals to show you the phrase "judgement day is vague"; anything can be fit into it

The same way "-day spanned weeks" but it's generally accepted that it's the day the allies invaded "Normandy".

At this point, I can see you don't have anything to say.

Work on your understanding man!


That's an event likely to happen billions of years from now but sure to your dumb god that will be soon. SMH.

Gabrielshow24:
think you are mistaken. In your earlier write ups you were the one that brought death into the Topic as usual you exhibit your fallacy of rhetorics

it's become really obvious that you don't know what you are saying.
Didn't you see "hypothetical" there?
And is the Right up about "the sun swallowing the earth" but to instead prove the previous question you asked regarding "judgement there, begging for proof".

That's why I used those hypotheticals to show you the phrase "judgement day is vague"; anything can be fit into it

The same way "grin-day spanned weeks" but it's generally accepted that it's the day the allies invaded "Normandy".

At this point, I can see you don't have anything to say.

Work on your understanding man!

LordReed:
Mention where I brought death into the Topic




You are using a hypothetical that is supposed to occur billions of years from now, ain't you making your god sound dumb? How can an event billions of years from now be construed as soon?



It's you who has nothing to say that's why you turn to a hypothetical billions of years in the future, to show how dumb your god is.

You work on your understanding because for you billions of years can be called soon.

Gabrielshow24:
I said can be construed as " JUDGEMENT DAY"

are you learning impaired?

That's you bringing "death" into the equation.
Your bone of contention in this argument.

LordReed:
And are you stupid? Is the judgement day not going to involve death?

Gabrielshow24:
Yes, a part of judgement day involves "physical death" but as usual you only see through a myopic lens.


If truly you paid attention to what I explained before, you will see that judgement is based on the person's deeds not on whether the person lives or died.

Or is the equivocal meaning of judgement based on death?

But rather on actions!
Since you are so concerned on death that you perceive it as a one stop, fine by me. That's your business but we believers know that life is beyond terrestrial existence.

Also you don't judge those that are "dead"!

Let me see how you interpret the above and let me for sure know whether you have proper understanding!

LordReed:
So, then your argument has always been about death. According to your fables don't the condemned in the judgement get a second death. So WTF are you on about?

Who said anything about this so-called judgement being based on whether a person lived or died? Look at who is talking about understanding. I was making the point that those who died waiting for your fabled god to arrive are a strong pointer to this fable being nothing but a hoodwink.

People who die don't come back nor to they send messages about their condition of being dead so your tale about there being an afterlife is bunkum.

The only thing you keep come back with is more of your fables, about time you offer something other than ancient garbage.

Gabrielshow24:
Second death is part of judgement.
Irrespective of my sentiments as regards there being an after life there are no physical indications to prove or deny such.

From a scientific believe there could and there could be not!

As regards the physically dead people, don't you know the "dead hath nothing to do with the living"

Why would God send someone that has died to come tell you a message?

So that you can tell him that he didn't die in the first place!

Or perhaps you lots will end up sending him to a second grave?

A lot of people even with clear signs will still not believe!

There's no need to send such whether you believe or not is solely based on you.

Like I said I didn't expressly say in my conversations the concept of "death".
You inferred that!

My entire write up has never been about death am more concerned about doing the thing that matters and less concerned about death.

From the analogies I gave above you will see that the aim is not about death but the people live a pleasing life unto God.

And as such there can only be two rewards: life or death.

Simple deductions will make you see that God is life; anything not joined to life will cease to exist perhaps that's where your beloved concept "death", comes into play.

Nobody disputes the fact that death has some basis in judgement.

Infact life also.
But you are not seeing the entire picture and like I always say, you see from a myopic lens.

What's the aim of judgement?
To reward what has been done perhaps an action or a deed.


Judgement entails life and death!
Hence when you speak about God's judgement don't just handpick the aspect that suits you.

Using death to show that "God is false" is rather hocum and in fact you said earlier "death can be used to prove anything".

LordReed:
Not holding my breath for this cos I know it's not going to come.

jesusjnr2020:
I couldn't find a particular video made by 2 of such ones I spoke about.

I never knew I was going to have to use that to prove anything later on, otherwise I would have saved the link. However I don't think that would be necessary any longer, since it couldn't get any better than Elon Musk, widely regardless as an atheist, scientist, chief exec of arguably the world's leading tech companies, world's richest and one of the most famous and influential secular figures around, etc. ironically shifting ground from atheism to Christianity, which reflects in his realigned position and views, including politically.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAlfc-6Ked0?si=LDteV8bB_zX1Yhy9

I spoke about how the opening ceremony of the Paris Olympics was the major eye-opener for these ones who didn't take warnings from Christians prior to that, and Elon Musk was one of those who openly voiced his concerns about that event.

LordReed:
This does not indicate that Elon Musk now believes in Jesus or the warnings of some Apocalypse brought by Jesus coming again. Those Christian principles he mentioned are some of the most universal principles for societal cohesion. Any civilization that wants to progress must institute some form of those principles because we are social beings and work better that way.

Besides this are so things atheists have said from time to time without acknowledging Jesus as a deity or that prophecies of the end are real so find another one that really exemplifies what you said cos this ain't it.

jesusjnr2020:
I have heard several atheists here say good things about Jesus, even heard some of other religions do the same, but never heard any atheist say, "I believe in the teachings of Jesus"!

If you've ever heard any kindly share the link of just one and I will believe you, because no one can say that and still remain an atheist.

It's impossible because that's one of the major requirements of being a true Christian. Even many so-called Christians don't believe in the teachings of Jesus so to that extent Elon Musk may even be more Christian than most Christians were, if he really meant it.

So this isn't about any universal principles or laws because Elon Musk has always known those even while proudly posing an atheist, but coming out to say he believes in the teachings of Jesus, means he now believes in Jesus' teachings about being the Son of God, the endtime signs and everything else Jesus said on His teachings, which are in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, and that means he's no longer atheist.

I spoke to you about the timing, and you could see when he also came out to say this especially after what happened at the Olympics which was an eye opener for most of them. It's beyond glaring that there's been a shift in his beliefs which he's gradually revealing gradually and I think there much more from where that came.

So I wasn't surprised seeing a recent trending post about him being announced as the top partner of Christ embassy.

As I said earlier, it's left to be seen how sincere he is, but from what he himself said openly about believing in the teachings of Jesus, Elon Musk is now no longer atheist according to Elon Musk, himself.

If you like believe it or not. It will never change that fact.

LordReed:
When was the first video about Elon you posted taken?

Remember how you boasted so much about Kanye West? By now you should be wary of boasting so much about celebrities professing belief in Jesus. Most of them have an agenda. I have no doubt Elon like Trump knows how to say the minimum it would take to make gullible believers to look at them favorably. Kanye tried it but wasn't so successful. You know how you can know these people are just talking, check their lifestyle. Elon is still carrying baby mamas about and you think he is now a disciple of Jesus. LoLz.

jesusjnr2020:
Please don't try to shift goal posts here. This is still about one of those "skeptics, including world-famous scientists and secular figures" you asked me to mention, and I mentioned Elon Musk and also brought proof.

I know this came as a shock to you as it was to me so please don't pretend. The signs are that glaring bro. Na only you remain so stop making flimsy excuses. Repent and believe the Gospel. Jesus loves you.

As for Kanye West, my interest in him began during "Jesus walks" days when he did something revolutionary in the music industry after he didn't quit despite several record companies rejecting him just because of that song, so don't speak what you know nothing about. I always saw that xfactor in him, and i knew it will speak sooner or later, so not too surprised when that happened, and won't be surprised if it happened again. It's not easy to be saved and still stay saved in the entertainment world even if one was sincerely saved, so I'm still praying for him regardless.

jesusjnr2020:
Even many skeptics, including world-famous scientists and secular figures who mocked and easily discarded our preaching, have begun to admit that only the Christians seem to know what's going on.

So the difference is very clear now from anytime in the past with respect to endtimes expectations.

LordReed:
You are the one shifting goal posts. This was what you said:



Where in the video does Elon admit any such thing?

LordReed:
Guy you are on a long thing on this Kanye matter but let's be seeing na. LoLz.

jesusjnr2020:
One thing you should understand about salvation is that it's one thing to be saved and another to stay saved. Even Smith Wigglesworth, a preacher who is said to have raised the most dead people in living history, once backlided to the point of even stopping his wife from going to church. It was the same wife's rigidness God used to restore him and he never forgot the important thing his wife did for him. That's a man God used to do a lot of miracles yet backsliding how much more someone like Kanye West in the entertainment industry?

Elon Musk himself should prepare to face a serious storm that will shake his faith to its very foundations and make him want to quit even if he truly repented, especially because of the threat his conversion poses to atheism because of his influence.

jesusjnr2020:
So what do you think the Christians were saying all along which were coming to pass, that make those in question admit such things, other than what Christ Himself said would come to pass in the last days? Even the people I spoke about, never said they were now Christians or now believed in Jesus teachings so Elon Musk is actually a few steps ahead of them, to the point of becoming a member and top partner of Christ embassy this same year. But you're still waiting for him to just admit it's such things Christians as Pastor Chris have been saying that made him have a change of heart, right? Well keep waiting as always if you like.

That's how you were here when I came with the teachings of Christ, but you were forming odeshi and Michelle came and overtook you right before your very eyes. This is several years later, you haven't still learnt your lesson, now Elon Musk of all people had left you behind in atheism because of the same teachings of Jesus, and you're still waiting, lol. Well continue to wait. Na you wait pass.

LordReed:
Elon Musk hasn't repented,what are you talking about. Someone that just recently purchased a compound for his baby mamas.

LordReed:
Where did you get this picture from?

LoLz. Dude you claimed you would atheism on Nairaland but instead there are more of us now than back then so no buddy na you dey form. Me, I am just here to laugh at folk like you.

It's been 1990+ years since the purported soon coming Jesus was prophesied, I ain't holding my breath for that one. Already wasted 25+ years on that rubbish.

jesusjnr2020:
It's glaring he's had a major shift in his religious beliefs and is no longer an atheist. At least he said himself that he believes in the teachings of Jesus, so why don't you give him a benefit of a doubt as you did when he was sayjng the otherwise?

Purchasing a compound for the mothers of his children doesn't prove the otherwise. Even if he truly repented, it doesn't change stop him from being the father of those children. You don't want him to take care of his children?

LordReed:
The same compound he is going to live in. Guy that's a harem not evidence of repentance.

Don't worry shey the same way you went silent on Kanye is the same way you will go silent on Elon when you see that this all empty noise.

jesusjnr2020:
Yeah.. it's empty noise until it favors your own beliefs. I get you.

jesusjnr2020:
More of you? You must be joking or living in self-denial. You're one of the few familiar monikers left still trying hard to prevent the already battered ship from sinking, lol.

Regardless of whatever you've said or done here you're still one of the few atheists I like and respect here. You know I don't do sentiments like some other Christian folks and and rate you more than most of them. I have chosen you severally to moderate issues between me and other atheists. I believe you don't belong there and are working for a cause that doesn't fit you at all. It's up to you though at the end of the day. I can't force you...